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黃秀芳 @ 第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第21次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:02,560 | 那接下來請黃秀芳委員發言 |
| 00:00:08,200 | 00:00:10,240 | 謝謝主席我們先請部長 |
| 00:00:14,340 | 00:00:15,620 | 好 黃委員好 |
| 00:00:15,620 | 00:00:21,760 | 部長好 今天蠻多位委員也關心就是使用油的事情 |
| 00:00:21,760 | 00:00:23,800 | 我希望就是說這個 |
| 00:00:23,800 | 00:00:27,400 | 不論是中央跟地方就是都要負起責任 |
| 00:00:28,119 | 00:00:29,439 | 你們的權責是什麼 |
| 00:00:29,439 | 00:00:30,799 | 然後也要講清楚 |
| 00:00:30,799 | 00:00:33,800 | 因為不能這樣事事而非 |
| 00:00:33,800 | 00:00:36,600 | 有時候地方政府首長他們 |
| 00:00:37,280 | 00:00:38,280 | 會讓人家覺得說 |
| 00:00:38,280 | 00:00:41,040 | 原本那個權責是在這個地方政府 |
| 00:00:41,040 | 00:00:44,120 | 結果講一講好像覺得全部責任都在中央 |
| 00:00:44,120 | 00:00:47,760 | 所以我希望就是說衛福部食藥署針對這一部分 |
| 00:00:47,760 | 00:00:49,160 | 我覺得都要講清楚 |
| 00:00:49,160 | 00:00:51,280 | 那另外就是說大家擔心的 |
| 00:00:51,280 | 00:00:53,920 | 現在價上面的在超市上面 |
| 00:00:53,960 | 00:00:55,680 | 在所有這個價 |
| 00:00:55,680 | 00:00:59,080 | 就是上架就全部都是安全的 |
| 00:00:59,080 | 00:01:01,880 | 就是一定要再次的重申 |
| 00:01:01,880 | 00:01:06,720 | 在這個商品架上面的所有的使用油都是安全的 |
| 00:01:06,720 | 00:01:08,360 | 民眾可以放心 |
| 00:01:08,360 | 00:01:12,120 | 那當然就是說後面的這個責任的歸屬 |
| 00:01:12,120 | 00:01:14,360 | 我覺得後面你們也要再去釐清 |
| 00:01:14,360 | 00:01:16,520 | 到底責任在誰那邊 |
| 00:01:16,520 | 00:01:19,960 | 那未來這種事情就不能再發生了 |
| 00:01:19,960 | 00:01:22,800 | 對 那再來就是說也要透明化 |
| 00:01:22,840 | 00:01:24,840 | 讓民眾他可以去查詢 |
| 00:01:24,840 | 00:01:26,000 | 然後能夠更透明 |
| 00:01:26,000 | 00:01:30,640 | 我覺得這個應該是衛福部食藥署這邊應該要做的 |
| 00:01:30,640 | 00:01:33,399 | 然後跟地方你們的權責是什麼 |
| 00:01:33,399 | 00:01:35,000 | 我覺得你們都要分清楚 |
| 00:01:35,000 | 00:01:39,199 | 不要像這一次地方推給中央說 |
| 00:01:39,199 | 00:01:40,360 | 就你們的責任 |
| 00:01:40,360 | 00:01:42,640 | 然後中央覺得說後市場 |
| 00:01:42,640 | 00:01:45,880 | 或者是這個茶場就是地方的責任 |
| 00:01:45,880 | 00:01:49,320 | 我覺得未來不能有這樣的一個情形再發生 |
| 00:01:49,320 | 00:01:50,200 | 是 是 |
| 00:01:50,200 | 00:01:52,120 | 好 跟委員說明 |
| 00:01:52,120 | 00:01:56,320 | 這確實食安的把關需要中央地方一起合作 |
| 00:01:56,320 | 00:02:00,760 | 那麼至於在地方權責這個稽查 |
| 00:02:00,760 | 00:02:05,000 | 或者是這個在調查等等的過程當中 |
| 00:02:05,000 | 00:02:07,640 | 如果有不足的地方 |
| 00:02:07,640 | 00:02:08,440 | 無力的地方 |
| 00:02:08,440 | 00:02:10,920 | 我們一定會全力來協助 |
| 00:02:10,920 | 00:02:12,200 | 所以都會按照這樣 |
| 00:02:12,200 | 00:02:14,720 | 那目前我們經過了完整的調查 |
| 00:02:14,720 | 00:02:18,440 | 我們在昨天把這個調查報告也公開了 |
| 00:02:18,440 | 00:02:23,440 | 那麼也同時交給這個地方主管機關 |
| 00:02:23,440 | 00:02:25,920 | 再去督導這個業者改善 |
| 00:02:25,920 | 00:02:27,320 | 所以這個我們都做到 |
| 00:02:27,320 | 00:02:30,200 | 那目前在架上的有品 |
| 00:02:30,200 | 00:02:31,840 | 我們都確保它是安全 |
| 00:02:31,840 | 00:02:34,120 | 包含另外那三個廠 |
| 00:02:34,120 | 00:02:35,960 | 我們也都完成它的抽驗 |
| 00:02:35,960 | 00:02:37,440 | 那麼也都合格 |
| 00:02:37,440 | 00:02:42,000 | 好 那當然就是說這個民眾都會非常擔心 |
| 00:02:42,000 | 00:02:44,040 | 所以如果部長這樣子講的話 |
| 00:02:44,040 | 00:02:46,480 | 我相信所有消費者應該會更安心 |
| 00:02:46,519 | 00:02:49,600 | 就是說在貨架上面的產品都是安全的 |
| 00:02:49,600 | 00:02:51,600 | 好 那接下來我想請教 |
| 00:02:51,600 | 00:02:54,600 | 因為這個安樂死的這個議題 |
| 00:02:54,600 | 00:02:57,560 | 從這個7月中旬在議場 |
| 00:02:57,560 | 00:03:01,399 | 就是通過安樂死的公投 |
| 00:03:01,399 | 00:03:03,280 | 就是說未來要公投 |
| 00:03:03,280 | 00:03:04,320 | 那像這樣子的話 |
| 00:03:04,320 | 00:03:10,200 | 其實我不贊成就是這個人的生或死 |
| 00:03:10,200 | 00:03:11,440 | 然後交給這個公投 |
| 00:03:11,440 | 00:03:13,760 | 其實我覺得這是非常不負責任的 |
| 00:03:13,760 | 00:03:15,799 | 可是我覺得可以討論 |
| 00:03:15,800 | 00:03:18,600 | 因為在我們在跑基層的時候 |
| 00:03:18,600 | 00:03:20,920 | 其實會有碰到有一些民眾 |
| 00:03:20,920 | 00:03:25,040 | 確實他可能這個四肢癱瘓 |
| 00:03:25,040 | 00:03:28,200 | 那整個家裡面的經濟會因為這樣子 |
| 00:03:28,200 | 00:03:29,680 | 然後整個拖垮 |
| 00:03:29,680 | 00:03:33,120 | 那這個患者他本身他就會覺得說 |
| 00:03:33,120 | 00:03:34,840 | 那如果今天有安樂死的話 |
| 00:03:34,840 | 00:03:36,920 | 他會選擇安樂死 |
| 00:03:36,920 | 00:03:39,360 | 所以我希望就是說 |
| 00:03:39,360 | 00:03:40,920 | 這個安樂死的這個議題 |
| 00:03:40,920 | 00:03:42,680 | 我覺得是可以討論 |
| 00:03:43,160 | 00:03:46,760 | 接下來我想請教就刑法的這一部分 |
| 00:03:46,760 | 00:03:49,800 | 就是說這個我們憲法第15條 |
| 00:03:49,800 | 00:03:52,720 | 就是說保障人民的生存權 |
| 00:03:52,720 | 00:03:56,440 | 工作權財產權都是要給予保障 |
| 00:03:56,440 | 00:03:58,640 | 那像這樣子安樂死 |
| 00:03:58,640 | 00:04:00,880 | 就是說這個跟憲法的這個精神 |
| 00:04:00,880 | 00:04:02,960 | 好像又有點抵觸 |
| 00:04:02,960 | 00:04:06,200 | 我不知道說未來這個法務部這邊 |
| 00:04:06,200 | 00:04:09,080 | 未來會怎麼去做解釋 |
| 00:04:09,080 | 00:04:11,280 | 那我也想請教部長 |
| 00:04:11,320 | 00:04:14,160 | 針對這個現在大家要討論的 |
| 00:04:14,160 | 00:04:16,519 | 這個安樂死的這個議題 |
| 00:04:16,519 | 00:04:18,959 | 因為我今天也看到這個醫師公會 |
| 00:04:18,959 | 00:04:21,320 | 全聯會這邊是反對 |
| 00:04:21,320 | 00:04:24,520 | 那我不知道站在衛福部部長的這個立場 |
| 00:04:24,520 | 00:04:26,480 | 你的想法是什麼 |
| 00:04:26,480 | 00:04:28,880 | 我想這個尊嚴善忠 |
| 00:04:28,880 | 00:04:31,840 | 都是我們大家希望達到的目標 |
| 00:04:31,840 | 00:04:34,840 | 都是希望能夠讓民眾 |
| 00:04:34,840 | 00:04:39,360 | 在最後的生命的這個階段能夠圓滿 |
| 00:04:39,400 | 00:04:42,480 | 那麼安樂死這個議題的程度 |
| 00:04:42,480 | 00:04:44,280 | 這個範圍是很寬廣 |
| 00:04:44,280 | 00:04:45,760 | 如果真的要來講 |
| 00:04:45,760 | 00:04:48,320 | 我們現在所施行的安寧緩和 |
| 00:04:48,320 | 00:04:50,440 | 那麼或者是病主法 |
| 00:04:50,440 | 00:04:51,800 | 在某種程度上 |
| 00:04:51,800 | 00:04:54,400 | 它也是一種比較消極的 |
| 00:04:54,400 | 00:04:57,560 | 比較被動式的那麼對生命的尊重 |
| 00:04:57,560 | 00:05:02,040 | 也是可以在這個安樂死的範圍裡面的一邊 |
| 00:05:02,040 | 00:05:06,440 | 它是比較這個嚴謹限縮的 |
| 00:05:06,480 | 00:05:11,960 | 那到很積極的去以協助加工的方式 |
| 00:05:11,960 | 00:05:13,200 | 加速的方式 |
| 00:05:13,200 | 00:05:16,440 | 那這個當然就會有更多 |
| 00:05:16,440 | 00:05:19,680 | 對生命法意上的討論 |
| 00:05:19,680 | 00:05:21,560 | 還有生命的價值等等 |
| 00:05:21,560 | 00:05:24,040 | 這些就會需要更多的討論 |
| 00:05:24,040 | 00:05:26,600 | 所以也就是我在前面一直提到 |
| 00:05:26,600 | 00:05:29,960 | 這個我們願意來開放討論 |
| 00:05:29,960 | 00:05:33,600 | 那但是這個用公投的方式 |
| 00:05:33,600 | 00:05:34,880 | 太過草率 |
| 00:05:35,520 | 00:05:38,480 | 沒有辦法真正的展現出 |
| 00:05:38,480 | 00:05:40,840 | 我們大家的社會的共識 |
| 00:05:40,840 | 00:05:41,840 | 所以這個是 |
| 00:05:41,840 | 00:05:45,000 | 因為它裡面的細節實在是太多了 |
| 00:05:45,000 | 00:05:46,800 | 那據我的了解 |
| 00:05:46,800 | 00:05:50,600 | 過去世界醫師會也曾經有反對過 |
| 00:05:50,600 | 00:05:54,640 | 這個醫師協助自殺這件事情 |
| 00:05:54,640 | 00:05:59,080 | 所以這個確實它就是一個爭議的議題 |
| 00:05:59,080 | 00:05:59,920 | 是 |
| 00:05:59,920 | 00:06:02,600 | 可是就是說我們以前 |
| 00:06:02,640 | 00:06:03,840 | 大家可能會很禁忌 |
| 00:06:03,840 | 00:06:05,840 | 去提這樣的一個議題 |
| 00:06:05,840 | 00:06:08,640 | 可是隨著高齡化的這樣的一個社會 |
| 00:06:08,640 | 00:06:11,640 | 那其實有很多人會很open |
| 00:06:11,640 | 00:06:14,040 | 就是去討論這樣的一個議題 |
| 00:06:14,040 | 00:06:15,040 | 那當然就是說 |
| 00:06:15,040 | 00:06:17,040 | 我覺得衛福部或者是法務部 |
| 00:06:17,040 | 00:06:17,920 | 針對這一部分 |
| 00:06:17,920 | 00:06:19,040 | 我覺得應該 |
| 00:06:19,040 | 00:06:22,840 | 就法的部分應該也要去討論一下 |
| 00:06:22,840 | 00:06:24,400 | 就是說刑法的部分 |
| 00:06:24,400 | 00:06:27,640 | 那會不會有這種加工自殺 |
| 00:06:27,640 | 00:06:29,360 | 那是不是會有殺人罪的 |
| 00:06:29,360 | 00:06:30,360 | 這樣的一個狀況 |
| 00:06:30,400 | 00:06:31,960 | 我覺得法務部應該也要 |
| 00:06:31,960 | 00:06:35,120 | 就這一部分也要有所去討論 |
| 00:06:35,120 | 00:06:37,280 | 然後也可能要找一些專家學者 |
| 00:06:37,280 | 00:06:38,680 | 來針對這一部分 |
| 00:06:38,680 | 00:06:42,600 | 未來如果大家的都有共識 |
| 00:06:42,600 | 00:06:45,080 | 那未來如果真的也有安樂死 |
| 00:06:45,080 | 00:06:47,000 | 那可能會碰到什麼樣的議題 |
| 00:06:47,000 | 00:06:48,080 | 就法的部分 |
| 00:06:48,080 | 00:06:50,280 | 可能會碰到什麼樣的問題 |
| 00:06:50,280 | 00:06:52,760 | 我是不是可以先請法務部這邊 |
| 00:06:52,760 | 00:06:54,560 | 先解釋一下 |
| 00:06:54,560 | 00:06:56,560 | 是跟委員報告有關您剛剛 |
| 00:06:56,560 | 00:06:57,560 | 垂馴的這個議題 |
| 00:06:57,560 | 00:06:58,560 | 那就本部的立場 |
| 00:06:58,560 | 00:07:01,560 | 我們是認為生命權是憲法保障的 |
| 00:07:01,560 | 00:07:02,560 | 重要基本權 |
| 00:07:02,560 | 00:07:04,560 | 國家原則上也是 |
| 00:07:04,560 | 00:07:06,560 | 負有保護生命的義務 |
| 00:07:06,560 | 00:07:09,560 | 所以我們將來如果說真的是 |
| 00:07:09,560 | 00:07:12,560 | 立法政策是要容許安樂死的話 |
| 00:07:12,560 | 00:07:15,560 | 那這個當然是涉及生命權保障的 |
| 00:07:15,560 | 00:07:16,560 | 重大公共利益 |
| 00:07:16,560 | 00:07:18,560 | 所以我們在這個議題上 |
| 00:07:18,560 | 00:07:19,560 | 我們也會有一個 |
| 00:07:19,560 | 00:07:20,560 | 我們會有一個 |
| 00:07:20,560 | 00:07:21,560 | 我們會有一個 |
| 00:07:21,560 | 00:07:23,560 | 生命權保障的重大公共利益 |
| 00:07:23,560 | 00:07:26,560 | 所以我們在立法的過程中 |
| 00:07:26,560 | 00:07:29,560 | 我們是建議應該是要充分的 |
| 00:07:29,560 | 00:07:32,560 | 衡量是不是有符合比例原則 |
| 00:07:32,560 | 00:07:35,560 | 然後是不是有建立足夠的程序保障 |
| 00:07:35,560 | 00:07:38,560 | 然後是不是真正處於本人的自主意識 |
| 00:07:38,560 | 00:07:41,560 | 然後是不是沒有避免弱勢者 |
| 00:07:41,560 | 00:07:43,560 | 遭受不當的壓力 |
| 00:07:43,560 | 00:07:44,560 | 那這個是立法的時候 |
| 00:07:44,560 | 00:07:46,560 | 我們應該審慎評估的重要事項 |
| 00:07:46,560 | 00:07:49,560 | 那當然這個是屬於衛福部的權責 |
| 00:07:49,560 | 00:07:54,560 | 而且這涉及很多重大的醫療決策跟決定 |
| 00:07:54,560 | 00:07:55,560 | 非常專業 |
| 00:07:55,560 | 00:07:59,560 | 那本部是尊重主管機關的政策決定 |
| 00:07:59,560 | 00:08:01,560 | 跟專業評估還有大院的審議決定 |
| 00:08:01,560 | 00:08:03,560 | 好那其實我們看到很多國家 |
| 00:08:03,560 | 00:08:05,560 | 就是有一些國家 |
| 00:08:05,560 | 00:08:07,560 | 就我剛剛列出來這些國家 |
| 00:08:07,560 | 00:08:09,560 | 他們這個上面就是說 |
| 00:08:09,560 | 00:08:11,560 | 有的國家他們這個安樂死 |
| 00:08:11,560 | 00:08:13,560 | 已經有很多年了 |
| 00:08:13,560 | 00:08:16,560 | 可是還有一些反對的聲音 |
| 00:08:16,560 | 00:08:19,560 | 當然就是說這一些反對的聲音 |
| 00:08:19,560 | 00:08:21,560 | 雖然這一個有的國家 |
| 00:08:21,560 | 00:08:23,560 | 可能這一個已經很 |
| 00:08:23,560 | 00:08:25,560 | 就是已經實行很久了 |
| 00:08:25,560 | 00:08:28,560 | 那確實還是會有一些聲音 |
| 00:08:28,560 | 00:08:30,560 | 所以我們也希望就是說 |
| 00:08:30,560 | 00:08:34,559 | 未來如果真的在這個公投上面 |
| 00:08:34,559 | 00:08:37,559 | 或者是說未來真的有這樣的一個安樂死的 |
| 00:08:37,559 | 00:08:38,559 | 這個部分 |
| 00:08:38,559 | 00:08:42,559 | 當然就是要集合眾多人的這個意見 |
| 00:08:42,559 | 00:08:44,560 | 然後大家要有一個共識 |
| 00:08:44,560 | 00:08:47,560 | 可能就是要跟社會也要溝通 |
| 00:08:47,560 | 00:08:49,560 | 要不然如果這個未來 |
| 00:08:49,560 | 00:08:52,560 | 就是有這樣的一個安樂死 |
| 00:08:52,560 | 00:08:54,560 | 就是通過之後 |
| 00:08:54,560 | 00:08:57,560 | 我覺得可能也會有延伸更多的一個問題 |
| 00:08:57,560 | 00:09:00,560 | 當然就是說為什麼會這個患者 |
| 00:09:00,560 | 00:09:04,560 | 或者是會有想要這個安樂死 |
| 00:09:04,560 | 00:09:06,560 | 第一個可能他會覺得痛苦 |
| 00:09:06,560 | 00:09:09,560 | 我覺得很多人因為我碰到一位 |
| 00:09:09,560 | 00:09:12,560 | 那他是這個因為車禍 |
| 00:09:12,560 | 00:09:14,560 | 然後造成整個四肢癱瘓 |
| 00:09:14,560 | 00:09:17,560 | 那就是只有頭就是他的 |
| 00:09:17,560 | 00:09:20,560 | 就是這個意識是清醒的 |
| 00:09:20,560 | 00:09:23,560 | 所以他會覺得說他整天躺在那邊 |
| 00:09:23,560 | 00:09:24,560 | 然後四肢都不能動 |
| 00:09:24,560 | 00:09:25,560 | 他覺得非常的痛苦 |
| 00:09:25,560 | 00:09:27,560 | 那也拖累家人 |
| 00:09:27,560 | 00:09:30,560 | 然後整個經濟狀況都被拖累 |
| 00:09:30,560 | 00:09:32,560 | 所以他從一開始 |
| 00:09:32,560 | 00:09:34,560 | 躺到現在兩年多的時間 |
| 00:09:34,560 | 00:09:37,560 | 他會覺得說他想要結束自己的生命 |
| 00:09:37,560 | 00:09:40,560 | 那當然他自己沒辦法結束自己的生命 |
| 00:09:40,560 | 00:09:42,560 | 結束自己的生命當然就是要 |
| 00:09:42,560 | 00:09:45,560 | 透過可能要用其他的方式 |
| 00:09:45,560 | 00:09:47,560 | 可是如果今天沒有這個安樂死的話 |
| 00:09:47,560 | 00:09:51,560 | 也許他可能這個一躺可能要躺好幾年 |
| 00:09:51,560 | 00:09:52,560 | 躺好幾年 |
| 00:09:52,560 | 00:09:54,560 | 那就是自然死亡 |
| 00:09:54,560 | 00:09:55,560 | 所以就是說 |
| 00:09:55,560 | 00:09:58,560 | 我覺得這個議題是可以去討論 |
| 00:09:58,560 | 00:10:00,560 | 那可能就法的部分 |
| 00:10:00,560 | 00:10:02,560 | 可能會延伸更多的問題 |
| 00:10:02,560 | 00:10:04,560 | 不論是憲法或者刑法 |
| 00:10:04,560 | 00:10:06,560 | 都會延伸非常多的問題 |
| 00:10:06,560 | 00:10:08,560 | 那我也希望就是說 |
| 00:10:08,560 | 00:10:10,560 | 自然這個議題已經拋出來 |
| 00:10:10,560 | 00:10:13,560 | 那衛福部跟這個我們法務部 |
| 00:10:13,560 | 00:10:15,560 | 針對這部分應該也要去研擬 |
| 00:10:15,560 | 00:10:17,560 | 就未來如果真的這個安樂死 |
| 00:10:17,560 | 00:10:18,560 | 就是成立之後 |
| 00:10:18,560 | 00:10:21,560 | 那會這個就法的部分 |
| 00:10:21,560 | 00:10:22,560 | 會碰到什麼樣的議題 |
| 00:10:22,560 | 00:10:24,560 | 那再來就是說醫師的部分 |
| 00:10:24,560 | 00:10:26,560 | 因為今天我看到醫師公會 |
| 00:10:26,560 | 00:10:27,560 | 他們是反對的 |
| 00:10:27,560 | 00:10:30,560 | 那未來這個執行誰要執行 |
| 00:10:30,560 | 00:10:31,560 | 如果醫師都反對了 |
| 00:10:31,560 | 00:10:35,560 | 那醫師是不是可以拒絕不要去執行 |
| 00:10:35,560 | 00:10:37,560 | 是不是這樣子 |
| 00:10:37,560 | 00:10:39,560 | 跟委員說明就是 |
| 00:10:39,560 | 00:10:41,560 | 以現在其他的國家 |
| 00:10:41,560 | 00:10:43,560 | 有施行這個安樂死的 |
| 00:10:43,560 | 00:10:46,560 | 大概都是要先經過醫師的處方 |
| 00:10:46,560 | 00:10:50,560 | 大概這個處方都是醫師開出來 |
| 00:10:50,560 | 00:10:55,560 | 只是有的是由病人自己使用 |
| 00:10:55,560 | 00:10:59,560 | 有的是可以由醫師直接給予 |
| 00:10:59,560 | 00:11:02,560 | 所以這個還是我後面的執行端 |
| 00:11:02,560 | 00:11:05,560 | 那麼當然這個 |
| 00:11:05,560 | 00:11:09,560 | 即使在有通過安樂死法案的國家 |
| 00:11:09,560 | 00:11:12,560 | 他也允許這個醫師 |
| 00:11:12,560 | 00:11:14,560 | 他有他個人的價值 |
| 00:11:14,560 | 00:11:18,560 | 或者是信仰下不執行的權利 |
| 00:11:18,560 | 00:11:21,560 | 所以這個是在已經有安樂死 |
| 00:11:21,560 | 00:11:24,560 | 的這個合法的國家也是這樣 |
| 00:11:24,560 | 00:11:26,560 | 所以你才會看到有一些都是 |
| 00:11:26,560 | 00:11:30,560 | 固定或部分的機構或醫師才執行 |
| 00:11:30,560 | 00:11:33,560 | 並不是每一個醫師都在做這件事情 |
| 00:11:33,560 | 00:11:36,560 | 是好我們就是說 |
| 00:11:36,560 | 00:11:38,560 | 透過今天的這個討論 |
| 00:11:38,560 | 00:11:40,560 | 就是說這個議題已經拋出來 |
| 00:11:40,560 | 00:11:42,560 | 那當然就是相關的單位 |
| 00:11:42,560 | 00:11:44,560 | 大家要去研擬也要去討論一下 |
| 00:11:44,560 | 00:11:47,560 | 未來可能碰到這個法的部分 |
| 00:11:47,560 | 00:11:48,560 | 那再來就是說 |
| 00:11:48,560 | 00:11:50,560 | 那醫師拒絕執行的話 |
| 00:11:50,560 | 00:11:52,560 | 那要有什麼樣的方式 |
| 00:11:52,560 | 00:11:54,560 | 我覺得這個都可以討論 |
| 00:11:54,560 | 00:11:56,560 | 不是說大家就避開不談 |
| 00:11:56,560 | 00:11:58,560 | 當然就是要去討論 |
| 00:11:58,560 | 00:12:00,560 | 取得社會的共識 |
| 00:12:00,560 | 00:12:02,560 | 而不是用公投的方式來決定 |
| 00:12:02,560 | 00:12:03,560 | 好謝謝 |
| 00:12:03,560 | 00:12:04,560 | 好謝謝委員 |
| 00:12:04,560 | 00:12:07,560 | 好謝謝黃秀芳委員發言 |
| 00:12:07,560 | 00:12:09,560 | 那重新公告 |