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鄭天財Sra Kacaw @ 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:14,000 | 主席 |
| 00:00:14,000 | 00:00:18,000 | 各位委員還有我們就請這個 |
| 00:00:18,000 | 00:00:20,000 | 梅莊副組長 |
| 00:00:20,000 | 00:00:24,000 | 副組委 |
| 00:00:24,000 | 00:00:26,000 | 因為副組長坐很久啦 |
| 00:00:26,000 | 00:00:28,000 | 對對 |
| 00:00:28,000 | 00:00:30,000 | 副組委好 |
| 00:00:30,000 | 00:00:32,000 | 委員好 |
| 00:00:32,000 | 00:00:34,000 | 今天的專案報告裡面 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:36,000 | 主要 |
| 00:00:36,000 | 00:00:38,000 | 你們的報告裡面 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:40,000 | 海陸南島羽族航海計畫 |
| 00:00:40,000 | 00:00:42,000 | 這裡面提到這個 |
| 00:00:42,000 | 00:00:44,000 | 台灣來亞美族 |
| 00:00:44,000 | 00:00:46,000 | 島嶼族 |
| 00:00:46,000 | 00:00:48,000 | 菲律賓巴丹島群島之間 |
| 00:00:48,000 | 00:00:50,000 | 歷史海上交流 |
| 00:00:50,000 | 00:00:52,000 | 這非常好 |
| 00:00:52,000 | 00:00:54,000 | 我非常支持 |
| 00:00:54,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 但是 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:58,000 | 我的重點在哪裡 |
| 00:00:58,000 | 00:01:00,000 | 這裡面有沒有用到 |
| 00:01:00,000 | 00:01:02,000 | 這個 |
| 00:01:02,000 | 00:01:04,000 | 教文處的 |
| 00:01:04,000 | 00:01:06,000 | 或是 |
| 00:01:06,000 | 00:01:08,000 | 這個言文會的 |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:10,000 | 語言 |
| 00:01:10,000 | 00:01:12,000 | 這方面的經費 |
| 00:01:12,000 | 00:01:14,000 | 主委的經費 |
| 00:01:14,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 好請那個右端的跟 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:18,000 | 委員說說 |
| 00:01:18,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:01:20,000 | 00:01:22,000 | 有關這次海陸 |
| 00:01:22,000 | 00:01:24,000 | 南島羽族航海計畫這個部分 |
| 00:01:24,000 | 00:01:26,000 | 是用我們過去中央 |
| 00:01:26,000 | 00:01:28,000 | 國語方案的經費來 |
| 00:01:28,000 | 00:01:30,000 | 可以支持 |
| 00:01:30,000 | 00:01:32,000 | 有沒有主委的經費 |
| 00:01:32,000 | 00:01:34,000 | 有在國語方案 |
| 00:01:34,000 | 00:01:36,000 | 所以這個部分 |
| 00:01:36,000 | 00:01:38,000 | 我是非常不認同 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:42,000 | 我們語言的經費 |
| 00:01:42,000 | 00:01:44,000 | 就是要去讓我們的 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:46,000 | 主委 |
| 00:01:46,000 | 00:01:48,000 | 能夠傳承 |
| 00:01:48,000 | 00:01:50,000 | 讓我們的 |
| 00:01:50,000 | 00:01:52,000 | 學生 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 我們的小朋友 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:56,000 | 能夠學習 |
| 00:01:56,000 | 00:01:58,000 | 好接下來這個 |
| 00:01:58,000 | 00:02:00,000 | 世界原住民族 |
| 00:02:00,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 傳統運動會 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:04,000 | 這個有沒有用到 |
| 00:02:04,000 | 00:02:06,000 | 原住民族語言的經費 |
| 00:02:06,000 | 00:02:08,000 | 這個也是 |
| 00:02:08,000 | 00:02:10,000 | 我們做國語方案的 |
| 00:02:10,000 | 00:02:12,000 | 計畫裡面的一個項目 |
| 00:02:12,000 | 00:02:14,000 | 這個部分 |
| 00:02:14,000 | 00:02:16,000 | 我有參加這個運動會 |
| 00:02:18,000 | 00:02:20,000 | 真的很遺憾 |
| 00:02:20,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 我真的是要 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:24,000 | 請研民會 |
| 00:02:24,000 | 00:02:26,000 | 主語就要 |
| 00:02:26,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 真正用在主語 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:30,000 | 變了那麼多錢 |
| 00:02:30,000 | 00:02:32,000 | 不只是這個啦 |
| 00:02:32,000 | 00:02:34,000 | 很多的活動 |
| 00:02:34,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 你們就是用主語的經費 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:38,000 | 他只要掛個 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:40,000 | 主語兩個字 |
| 00:02:42,000 | 00:02:44,000 | 那個美中副主委 |
| 00:02:44,000 | 00:02:46,000 | 這個業務 |
| 00:02:46,000 | 00:02:48,000 | 不是你負責督導的嗎 |
| 00:02:48,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 有接觸啦 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:52,000 | 不是 |
| 00:02:52,000 | 00:02:54,000 | 我說那個公文成合的時候 |
| 00:02:54,000 | 00:02:56,000 | 不是嘛 |
| 00:02:56,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 所以你無法了解 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:03:00,000 | 我們非常非常多的 |
| 00:03:00,000 | 00:03:02,000 | 主語的經費 |
| 00:03:02,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 就投入在這些活動 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 沒有真正 |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 落實在 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 家庭 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:12,000 | 學校 |
| 00:03:12,000 | 00:03:14,000 | 還有這個 |
| 00:03:14,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 小朋友的身上 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 這個請 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:20,000 | 這個 |
| 00:03:20,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 研民會 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 還有研文會 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:26,000 | 針對這一次 |
| 00:03:26,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 這兩個大活動 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 所提供 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:32,000 | 有關主語的經費 |
| 00:03:32,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 的投入 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:36,000 | 能夠提供 |
| 00:03:36,000 | 00:03:38,000 | 相關的數據 |
| 00:03:38,000 | 00:03:40,000 | 可以嗎 |
| 00:03:40,000 | 00:03:42,000 | 可以 |
| 00:03:42,000 | 00:03:44,000 | 除了主語的傳承 |
| 00:03:44,000 | 00:03:46,000 | 就教育文化處 |
| 00:03:46,000 | 00:03:48,000 | 而言 |
| 00:03:48,000 | 00:03:50,000 | 很重要 |
| 00:03:50,000 | 00:03:52,000 | 重中之重的 |
| 00:03:52,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 重中之重的 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:03:56,000 | 你看我們這個根據 |
| 00:03:56,000 | 00:03:58,000 | 教育部近五年 |
| 00:03:58,000 | 00:04:00,000 | 大專校驗學生初在協力 |
| 00:04:00,000 | 00:04:02,000 | 的差距 |
| 00:04:02,000 | 00:04:04,000 | 我們從107 |
| 00:04:04,000 | 00:04:06,000 | 學年度差距落差 |
| 00:04:06,000 | 00:04:08,000 | 原住民跟非原住民 |
| 00:04:08,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 的落差31.9 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:12,000 | 到了113 |
| 00:04:12,000 | 00:04:14,000 | 年度逐年 |
| 00:04:14,000 | 00:04:16,000 | 增高到38.3 |
| 00:04:16,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 這樣的 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 一個落差這麼大 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:22,000 | 大差距 |
| 00:04:22,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 對我們的原住民 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:26,000 | 而言 |
| 00:04:26,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 教育是重中之重 |
| 00:04:30,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 所以這個部分 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 你們應該寧可把 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:36,000 | 這些經費投入到 |
| 00:04:36,000 | 00:04:38,000 | 那邊去 |
| 00:04:38,000 | 00:04:40,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:42,000 | 如果你們沒有經費 |
| 00:04:42,000 | 00:04:44,000 | 你們去積極 |
| 00:04:44,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 溝通協調 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:48,000 | 教育部 |
| 00:04:48,000 | 00:04:50,000 | 這才是重中之重 |
| 00:04:52,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 所以這個部分 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 真的要去 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:58,000 | 溝通協調 |
| 00:04:58,000 | 00:05:00,000 | 相關的這些無論是教育部 |
| 00:05:00,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 還有研民會這邊 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:04,000 | 怎麼樣能夠去加強 |
| 00:05:04,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 原住民族教育的 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:08,000 | 提升 |
| 00:05:08,000 | 00:05:10,000 | 可以嗎 |
| 00:05:10,000 | 00:05:12,000 | 可以 |
| 00:05:12,000 | 00:05:14,000 | 是不是可以請業務單位說明一下 |
| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:16,000 | 要說明什麼 |
| 00:05:16,000 | 00:05:18,000 | 那個差距 |
| 00:05:18,000 | 00:05:20,000 | 38 |
| 00:05:20,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 有錯誤嗎 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:24,000 | 這是絕對不提供給我的 |
| 00:05:24,000 | 00:05:26,000 | 我們一直說那個裡面有一些原因 |
| 00:05:26,000 | 00:05:28,000 | 原因你順便提供給我 |
| 00:05:28,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 好 |
| 00:05:32,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 好 研究法今天要討論的 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:36,000 | 18條 |
| 00:05:36,000 | 00:05:38,000 | 100億 |
| 00:05:38,000 | 00:05:40,000 | 這個 |
| 00:05:40,000 | 00:05:42,000 | 主計單位 |
| 00:05:42,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 主計處 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:46,000 | 有沒有來 |
| 00:05:46,000 | 00:05:48,000 | 好 |
| 00:05:48,000 | 00:05:50,000 | 這個研究法 |
| 00:05:50,000 | 00:05:52,000 | 18條 |
| 00:05:52,000 | 00:05:54,000 | 中和發展基金的法源 |
| 00:05:54,000 | 00:05:56,000 | 這裡面提到我們要修正 |
| 00:05:56,000 | 00:05:58,000 | 100億 |
| 00:05:58,000 | 00:06:00,000 | 不是要去增加 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:02,000 | 政府要 |
| 00:06:02,000 | 00:06:04,000 | 返還 |
| 00:06:04,000 | 00:06:06,000 | 返還 |
| 00:06:06,000 | 00:06:08,000 | 這個 |
| 00:06:08,000 | 00:06:10,000 | 我們曾經 |
| 00:06:10,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 原住民族中和發展基金 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:14,000 | 105年度的結算 |
| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:16,000 | 淨值 |
| 00:06:16,000 | 00:06:18,000 | 是117億 |
| 00:06:18,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 這個是我在 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:22,000 | 原民省政府的時候 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:24,000 | 應省議員的要求 |
| 00:06:24,000 | 00:06:26,000 | 成立了 |
| 00:06:26,000 | 00:06:28,000 | 這個基金 |
| 00:06:28,000 | 00:06:30,000 | 每年編幾億幾億 |
| 00:06:30,000 | 00:06:32,000 | 精神之後 |
| 00:06:32,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 原住民族的立委 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:36,000 | 我正好也帶了中央 |
| 00:06:36,000 | 00:06:38,000 | 服務 |
| 00:06:38,000 | 00:06:40,000 | 每年編幾億幾億 |
| 00:06:40,000 | 00:06:42,000 | 才有到 |
| 00:06:42,000 | 00:06:44,000 | 105年的結算 |
| 00:06:44,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 數是 淨值是 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:48,000 | 117億 7千多萬 |
| 00:06:48,000 | 00:06:50,000 | 那 但是很遺憾的 |
| 00:06:50,000 | 00:06:52,000 | 人民會把它 |
| 00:06:52,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 挪用作為 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:56,000 | 原住民族中和發展基金 |
| 00:06:56,000 | 00:06:58,000 | 總共 |
| 00:06:58,000 | 00:07:00,000 | 挪用了53億多 |
| 00:07:00,000 | 00:07:02,000 | 中國將近54億 |
| 00:07:02,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 挪用 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 立法院 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:08,000 | 在106年 |
| 00:07:08,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 的時候做了一個決議 |
| 00:07:12,000 | 00:07:14,000 | 那個副主委 |
| 00:07:14,000 | 00:07:16,000 | 106年是民進黨 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:18,000 | 絕對多數的時候 |
| 00:07:18,000 | 00:07:20,000 | 他們也認同 |
| 00:07:20,000 | 00:07:22,000 | 通過了這個主決議 |
| 00:07:22,000 | 00:07:24,000 | 要返還 |
| 00:07:24,000 | 00:07:26,000 | 因為是違法挪用 |
| 00:07:26,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 因為它不符合 |
| 00:07:28,000 | 00:07:30,000 | 原住民族基本法 |
| 00:07:30,000 | 00:07:32,000 | 18條 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:34,000 | 進法補償是不符合 |
| 00:07:34,000 | 00:07:36,000 | 原基法18條 |
| 00:07:36,000 | 00:07:38,000 | 的基金的用途 |
| 00:07:38,000 | 00:07:40,000 | 所以要返還 |
| 00:07:40,000 | 00:07:42,000 | 到現在沒有返還 |
| 00:07:42,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 所以我們現在 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:46,000 | 我們沒有辦法增加預算 |
| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:48,000 | 所以我們只好立法 |
| 00:07:48,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 要回到 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 當初 |
| 00:07:52,000 | 00:07:54,000 | 當初無論是 |
| 00:07:54,000 | 00:07:56,000 | 省議員或是 |
| 00:07:56,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 過去的原住民立委的目標 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:08:00,000 | 就是100億 |
| 00:08:00,000 | 00:08:02,000 | 如果有這個100億 |
| 00:08:02,000 | 00:08:04,000 | 原住民族的相關 |
| 00:08:04,000 | 00:08:06,000 | 的住宅 |
| 00:08:06,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 在都會區的 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:10,000 | 就可以依住宅法第 |
| 00:08:10,000 | 00:08:12,000 | 2條的第四項 |
| 00:08:12,000 | 00:08:14,000 | 設原住民族的 |
| 00:08:14,000 | 00:08:16,000 | 專屬的社會住宅 |
| 00:08:16,000 | 00:08:18,000 | 這個法已經通過了很多年 |
| 00:08:18,000 | 00:08:20,000 | 你們都沒有執行 |
| 00:08:20,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 為什麼沒有錢沒有錢 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:24,000 | 如果有這個基金的話 |
| 00:08:24,000 | 00:08:26,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:08:26,000 | 00:08:28,000 | 花個兩億 |
| 00:08:28,000 | 00:08:30,000 | 新建或是架構 |
| 00:08:30,000 | 00:08:32,000 | 就像細子的花中新村 |
| 00:08:32,000 | 00:08:34,000 | 就是架構 |
| 00:08:34,000 | 00:08:36,000 | 成為一個社會住宅 |
| 00:08:36,000 | 00:08:38,000 | 然後他 |
| 00:08:38,000 | 00:08:40,000 | 會有租金收入 |
| 00:08:40,000 | 00:08:42,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:08:42,000 | 00:08:44,000 | 會有租金收入就可以 |
| 00:08:44,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 回到這個基金裡面 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:48,000 | 所以他是很重要 |
| 00:08:48,000 | 00:08:50,000 | 很重要 |
| 00:08:50,000 | 00:08:52,000 | 所以期盼我們今天 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 或是這個 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:56,000 | 我們立法院 |
| 00:08:56,000 | 00:08:58,000 | 能夠通過這個原基法 |
| 00:08:58,000 | 00:09:00,000 | 18條 |
| 00:09:00,000 | 00:09:02,000 | 返還 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:04,000 | 我們在法律裡面明定 |
| 00:09:04,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 因為我們不能審查預算去增加預算 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:08,000 | 我們只好在法律裡面明定 |
| 00:09:08,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 好我們 |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:12,000 | 這個時間的關係 |
| 00:09:12,000 | 00:09:14,000 | 昨天在經濟委員會 |
| 00:09:14,000 | 00:09:18,000 | 審查上坡地保育利用條例37條 |
| 00:09:18,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 我的修正條文 |
| 00:09:20,000 | 00:09:22,000 | 在我們原住民族的土地 |
| 00:09:22,000 | 00:09:24,000 | 本來就有原住民個人的土地 |
| 00:09:24,000 | 00:09:26,000 | 也有部落的土地 |
| 00:09:26,000 | 00:09:28,000 | 但是 |
| 00:09:28,000 | 00:09:30,000 | 人民會說反對不同意 |
| 00:09:30,000 | 00:09:32,000 | 引用了什麼土地法 |
| 00:09:32,000 | 00:09:34,000 | 事實上 |
| 00:09:34,000 | 00:09:36,000 | 我們現在 |
| 00:09:36,000 | 00:09:38,000 | 增化邊原住民保育地 |
| 00:09:38,000 | 00:09:40,000 | 沒有法律的意計 |
| 00:09:40,000 | 00:09:42,000 | 當時的政府 |
| 00:09:42,000 | 00:09:44,000 | 當時的省政府 |
| 00:09:44,000 | 00:09:46,000 | 厲害 |
| 00:09:46,000 | 00:09:48,000 | 現在還沒有法律的意計 |
| 00:09:48,000 | 00:09:50,000 | 厲害啊 |
| 00:09:50,000 | 00:09:52,000 | 現在還要繼續增化邊保育地 |
| 00:09:52,000 | 00:09:54,000 | 沒有土地法的意計 |
| 00:09:54,000 | 00:09:56,000 | 沒有法律的意計 |
| 00:09:56,000 | 00:09:58,000 | 現在我們要立法 |
| 00:09:58,000 | 00:10:00,000 | 你們竟然不同意 |
| 00:10:00,000 | 00:10:02,000 | 然後不是沒有法律意計 |
| 00:10:02,000 | 00:10:04,000 | 我們的 |
| 00:10:04,000 | 00:10:06,000 | 原基法第二條之一 |
| 00:10:06,000 | 00:10:08,000 | 就明定啊 |
| 00:10:08,000 | 00:10:10,000 | 原基法第二條之一 |
| 00:10:10,000 | 00:10:12,000 | 部落就是公法人 |
| 00:10:12,000 | 00:10:14,000 | 他怎麼會不符合土地法 |
| 00:10:14,000 | 00:10:16,000 | 不符合相關的法律 |
| 00:10:16,000 | 00:10:18,000 | 不符合相關的法律呢 |
| 00:10:18,000 | 00:10:20,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:10:20,000 | 00:10:22,000 | 但是很可惜啦 |
| 00:10:22,000 | 00:10:24,000 | 很遺憾啦 |
| 00:10:24,000 | 00:10:26,000 | 原基法第二條之一 |
| 00:10:26,000 | 00:10:28,000 | 104年12月16號 |
| 00:10:28,000 | 00:10:30,000 | 明定 |
| 00:10:30,000 | 00:10:32,000 | 然後授權 |
| 00:10:32,000 | 00:10:34,000 | 人民會要定這個部落公法人設置辦法 |
| 00:10:34,000 | 00:10:36,000 | 到現在都沒有 |
| 00:10:36,000 | 00:10:38,000 | 定出來 |
| 00:10:38,000 | 00:10:40,000 | 那麼簡單的東西 |
| 00:10:40,000 | 00:10:42,000 | 所以這個部分 |
| 00:10:42,000 | 00:10:44,000 | 當然今天主委不在 |
| 00:10:44,000 | 00:10:46,000 | 但是副主委很重要 |
| 00:10:46,000 | 00:10:48,000 | 我過去當副主委 |
| 00:10:48,000 | 00:10:50,000 | 常務副主委的時候 |
| 00:10:50,000 | 00:10:54,000 | 到處去協調相關的部會 |
| 00:10:54,000 | 00:10:56,000 | 甚至去協調政務委員 |
| 00:10:58,000 | 00:11:00,000 | 甚至去協調政務委員 |
| 00:11:00,000 | 00:11:02,000 | 包括現在 |
| 00:11:02,000 | 00:11:04,000 | 言文會設置條例會通過 |
| 00:11:04,000 | 00:11:06,000 | 也是我去協調林旺益政務委員的 |
| 00:11:08,000 | 00:11:10,000 | 你有沒有去協調過哪個政務委員 |
| 00:11:10,000 | 00:11:12,000 | 沒有 |
| 00:11:12,000 | 00:11:14,000 | 那實際上是跟我們督導的政務委員會有一些 |
| 00:11:14,000 | 00:11:16,000 | 要去拜託 |
| 00:11:16,000 | 00:11:18,000 | 要去溝通 |
| 00:11:18,000 | 00:11:20,000 | 要去說服 |
| 00:11:20,000 | 00:11:22,000 | 只有靠這個啦 |
| 00:11:22,000 | 00:11:24,000 | 就要去拜託去說服 |
| 00:11:24,000 | 00:11:26,000 | 包括地方制度法 |
| 00:11:26,000 | 00:11:28,000 | 當初的修正 |
| 00:11:28,000 | 00:11:30,000 | 要變成五都的時候 |
| 00:11:30,000 | 00:11:32,000 | 我去協調林宗生當時的次長 |
| 00:11:32,000 | 00:11:34,000 | 才完成的 |
| 00:11:34,000 | 00:11:36,000 | 所以這個部分 |
| 00:11:36,000 | 00:11:38,000 | 要去加油 |
| 00:11:38,000 | 00:11:40,000 | 副主委很重要 |
| 00:11:40,000 | 00:11:42,000 | 常務副主委更重要 |
| 00:11:42,000 | 00:11:44,000 | 好不好 |
| 00:11:44,000 | 00:11:46,000 | 謝謝委員的鼓勵 |