| IVOD_ID |
170758 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170758 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-29T12:02:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-29T12:18:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/271ed4367c1fa46401a5001f81d399d9512edcc96882cdd185f774578eefcf52472f2de3f147acf75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
翁曉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:02:20 - 12:18:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請大陸委員會主任委員、內政部部長、法務部、警政署、移民署、財團法人海峽交流基金會就「國人赴陸失聯情況及政府因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請內政部部長、警政署署長就「『萊爾校長』小編遭警突襲查水表事件，檢視警察執法標準與行政中立」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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法定委員發言諮詢 |
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7 |
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8 |
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好 謝謝主席 |
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8 |
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10 |
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這邊有請邱主委 |
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17 |
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18 |
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郭委員好 |
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18 |
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20 |
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邱主委好 |
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20 |
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22 |
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我剛剛聽到這個議員之委員 |
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22 |
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也在關心你們的出國報告 |
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24 |
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25 |
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這就讓我想起 |
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25 |
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26 |
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其實呢 |
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在這次預算審查裡面 |
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27 |
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29 |
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我也發現蠻多的機關 |
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29 |
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像是國安會 |
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31 |
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34 |
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還有現在有一個陸委會 |
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34 |
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還有一些部會機關 |
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36 |
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都是打著有國安之由 |
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或是說這是機密的文件 |
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42 |
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44 |
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所以都不方便揭露 |
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44 |
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45 |
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我要再次強調 |
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45 |
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48 |
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既然是用公務機關的預算 |
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去出國 |
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50 |
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54 |
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又不是有提這個機密預算來審查 |
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所以所有的出國報告 |
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都應該要公開揭露 |
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59 |
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61 |
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都應該要公開揭露 |
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61 |
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63 |
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而不是只是草率的 |
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63 |
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65 |
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就是拿一份這個報告 |
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65 |
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給關心的委員看一看 |
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這不符合我們立法委員 |
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69 |
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74 |
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監督行政機關的一個情況 |
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76 |
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所以我這邊要提醒陸委會 |
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78 |
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就是之後你們所有出國報告 |
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78 |
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80 |
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都應該要公開揭露 |
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80 |
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81 |
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跟委員報告 |
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81 |
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82 |
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我們這一點做不到 |
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82 |
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84 |
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因為我們陸委會 |
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84 |
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85 |
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你們做不到的話 |
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85 |
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88 |
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涉及太多機密的事務 |
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88 |
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90 |
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對 我要講你們做不到 |
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90 |
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91 |
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我也尊重 |
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91 |
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92 |
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但是就開秘密會議 |
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92 |
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93 |
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提機密預算 |
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93 |
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95 |
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如果你沒有開秘密會議 |
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95 |
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96 |
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沒有提機密預算 |
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96 |
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97 |
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這就是你們失職 |
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97 |
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98 |
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你們不願意接受 |
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98 |
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100 |
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立法委員的監督 |
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100 |
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101 |
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我們很願意接受 |
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101 |
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103 |
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立法委員監督 |
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103 |
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106 |
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我們也願意跟委員報告 |
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106 |
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108 |
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我們每個出法 |
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108 |
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110 |
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我們的完全版的資料 |
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110 |
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112 |
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都可以跟委員做說明 |
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112 |
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但是要恢復國家安全 |
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114 |
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116 |
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我們所有的內政委員會 |
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116 |
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117 |
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還有我們委員們 |
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117 |
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119 |
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來提供你們的出國報告 |
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119 |
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120 |
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你們有密件送也可以 |
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120 |
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122 |
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但是不能夠以此 |
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122 |
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124 |
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來作為這個規避 |
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124 |
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125 |
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因為我們就是 |
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125 |
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126 |
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主任副主任 |
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126 |
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127 |
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我們是很副主任 |
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127 |
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129 |
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我要提我今天正式要問的問題 |
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129 |
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133 |
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因為本席最近接受到很多 |
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133 |
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136 |
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小資公教人員的陳情 |
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136 |
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137 |
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他們反映說 |
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137 |
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140 |
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現在陸委會近來 |
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140 |
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143 |
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大幅強化公教人員 |
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143 |
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145 |
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入港澳的管理措施 |
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145 |
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146 |
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要求公教人員 |
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146 |
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148 |
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不論是因公因私 |
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148 |
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150 |
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或者是只是經由 |
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150 |
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153 |
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中國大陸的機場過境轉機 |
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153 |
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155 |
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都必須事前申請事後通報 |
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155 |
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157 |
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如果沒有依規定的話 |
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157 |
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159 |
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可能還會面臨到行政懲處 |
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159 |
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或者是有其他不利的處分 |
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161 |
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163 |
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那本席想講的是 |
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165 |
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真的我們有不少的 |
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168 |
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這個比較小資族的公教人員 |
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168 |
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169 |
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他們不過只是 |
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169 |
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171 |
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為了想要節省機票錢 |
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所以也許透過在北京 |
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這個過境機場轉機或是上海 |
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可是只是轉機 |
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179 |
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連入境都沒有入境 |
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179 |
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181 |
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就要求人家要申報 |
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184 |
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但是像近期放暑假 |
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184 |
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186 |
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不少的公教人員 |
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187 |
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想帶著小朋友 |
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187 |
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190 |
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然後家人去港澳玩 |
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190 |
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191 |
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那裡有迪士尼 |
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192 |
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上海也有迪士尼 |
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192 |
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193 |
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這種私人行程 |
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而且它又不是高職等 |
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195 |
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197 |
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我們現在兩岸條例裡面 |
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198 |
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是有規定就是 |
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198 |
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200 |
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就是實質等以上的 |
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200 |
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201 |
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或是警政 |
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值等是四階以上的人員 |
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才要受到管制 |
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209 |
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如果是實質等 |
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209 |
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211 |
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以及警監四階以下 |
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211 |
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214 |
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未涉及國家安全利益 |
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214 |
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215 |
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或機密的公共人員 |
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215 |
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217 |
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以及警察人員教育人員 |
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217 |
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218 |
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等等附大陸地區 |
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218 |
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221 |
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是不會受到管制的 |
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221 |
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223 |
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可是現在陸委會 |
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223 |
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224 |
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也然就是一刀切 |
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224 |
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227 |
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我不管你的值等高低 |
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227 |
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就連那個二三值等的公有們 |
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230 |
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231 |
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也要被管制 |
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231 |
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233 |
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然後還有就是也不管 |
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233 |
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235 |
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這些公務員員他們是不是 |
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235 |
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236 |
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真的有處理到國家安全 |
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236 |
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238 |
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或是處理到一些機密的 |
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238 |
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241 |
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一些公務全部都納管 |
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241 |
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243 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
這樣的做法合理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
243 |
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246 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
有符合我們台灣自詡為法治國家 |
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246 |
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247 |
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有符合法律保留原則 |
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247 |
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249 |
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有符合比例原則嗎 |
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249 |
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251 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
我想請主委回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
251 |
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252 |
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是 謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
252 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
254 |
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有關於您剛說的 |
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254 |
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257 |
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你看我們今天遭流治盤查 |
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257 |
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261 |
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比例有50%是我們的公務人員 |
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261 |
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263 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
所以顯示我們的公務人員 |
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263 |
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266 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
不管是私人行程還是旅遊行程 |
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266 |
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269 |
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也容易遭到中共重點盤查 |
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269 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
270 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
已經案例很多了 |
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270 |
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272 |
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不過剛剛委員所說的 |
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272 |
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275 |
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十指等以下的公務人員 |
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275 |
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277 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
他依照現行規定 |
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277 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
280 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
也必須要由他員服機關 |
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280 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
282 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
員服機關同意 |
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282 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
284 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
才能夠到中國大陸去 |
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284 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
286 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
那我們知道很多人 |
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286 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
287 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
過去並沒有 |
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287 |
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292 |
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過去是沒有落實請假的程序 |
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292 |
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294 |
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因為我們法律規定很清楚 |
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294 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
295 |
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十指等以下 |
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295 |
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298 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
他又沒有涉及到什麼 |
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298 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
299 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
國家安全的業務 |
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299 |
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300 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
也沒有機密的業務 |
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300 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
303 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
但是我跟你講其實現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
303 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
304 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
入委會的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
304 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
307 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
已經是嚴重侵害到 |
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307 |
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310 |
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我們隱私權和行動自由 |
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310 |
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313 |
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我們更為入委會的文化 |
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313 |
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315 |
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我們是在擺帳各位委員 |
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315 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
317 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
萬一他被滲透 |
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317 |
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320 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
我們需要他建立新房 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
320 |
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321 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
我們對於我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
321 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
323 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
與大部分的公務人員附路 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
323 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
324 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
其實這也是我今天 |
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324 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
326 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
我想要譴責入委會的 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
326 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
328 |
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我覺得你太小看 |
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328 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
331 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
我們台灣公教人員的智慧 |
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331 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
333 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
你認為我們大家對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
333 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
336 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
到大陸到港澳地區去旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
336 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
338 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
或是過境轉機 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
338 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
339 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
我們沒有那種 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
339 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
341 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
維安的這個意識嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
341 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
344 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
我們當然不會對風險評估 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
344 |
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345 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
接下來我就要請教你 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
345 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
347 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
因為你一直口口聲聲說 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
347 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
349 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
現在在大陸失聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
349 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
352 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
遭留置盤查的人數很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
352 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
353 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
根據你們統計 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
353 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
355 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
從113年1月1號到 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
355 |
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357 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
115年7月22號為止 |
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357 |
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359 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
目前大概有402人 |
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359 |
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363 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
曾經有被留置盤查 |
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363 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
365 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
或是遭限制人身自由 |
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365 |
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369 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
那本席要請教的是 |
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369 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
371 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
你們這些數字是怎麼來的 |
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371 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
373 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
我們都是有人 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
373 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
375 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
所以你們這些數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
375 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
376 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
是跟我們報案的 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
376 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
377 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
是跟什麼報案 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
377 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
378 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
是跟國會報案 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
378 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
380 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
這個當事人的家屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
380 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
381 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
或他親友 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
381 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
好 現在是直接下落 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
383 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
384 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
像我們選項機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
384 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
385 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
陸委會海基會 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
385 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
這個有跟我們報案的 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
388 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
好 現在是不是可以請 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
388 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
389 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
那個劉部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
396 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
397 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
本席關心的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
397 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
398 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
剛剛那些數字 |
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398 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
402 |
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是家屬向內政部警政署報案的 |
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402 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
404 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
還是說是向海基會 |
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404 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
406 |
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的緊急服務專線求助 |
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406 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
410 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
又或者是向陸委會直接陳情 |
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410 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
412 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
三個機關都有 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
412 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
413 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
所以三個機關的數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
413 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
414 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
整個加起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
414 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
417 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
那你們有沒有這個中間去 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
417 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
418 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
double check |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
418 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
420 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
有沒有重複的案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
420 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
421 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
陸委會都有做這樣的確認 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
421 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
所以這些都沒有重複 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
所以有些是向內政部警政署 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
427 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
有些是向陸委會陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
427 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
429 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
對 我們都有聯繫系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
429 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
430 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
所以都沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
430 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
431 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
好 了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
431 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
謝謝 謝謝部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
也謝謝那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
434 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
我跟陸委員說報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
434 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
數字只有更多不會更少 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
438 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
那所以中間 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
438 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
440 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
這件402人是到目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
440 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
都沒有回來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
442 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
陸委員你關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
442 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
是我特別給你回答 |
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444 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
這個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
實際數字絕對比公布的多 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
448 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
不會少 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
448 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
這第一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
450 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
450 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
因為很多的家屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
453 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
他 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
453 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
基於安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
456 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
擔心人還在對岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
456 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
459 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
他不敢跟官方陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
459 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
所以他沒有報 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
463 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
因為海基會數字跟陸委員數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
463 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
464 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
我們核對 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
464 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
466 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
我們有個群組在核對 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
466 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
每天核對 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
以過去18個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
海基會收到這225件 |
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473 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
當事人的家屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
477 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
來陳情協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
477 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
好 了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
那謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
481 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
謝謝陸委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
481 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
都是真實的 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
好 了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
那我先了解就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
你這402人 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
是不是中間其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
已經有些人回來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
有扣除掉那個數字了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
有扣除掉數字了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
我可以跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
對 因為你先13年到15年 |
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495 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
去22號 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
你是402人 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
有沒有包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
中間已經有些人 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
已經回來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
501 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
我跟陸委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
501 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
海基會這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
503 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
海基會這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
503 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
我們過去18個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
從去年1月1號 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
到今年的6月30號為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
510 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
跟海基會陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
510 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
512 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
有當事人的家屬陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
512 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
514 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
有225件 |
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514 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
225件其中有91件 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
到現在為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
還是失聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
520 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
完全找不到人 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
520 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
佔40% |
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522 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
有134件 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
後來找到人了 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
找到人這143件 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
有些回到台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
其中有102件 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
現在人被關在 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
中國的相關看守所監獄內 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
536 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
以上數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
536 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
好 謝謝執行長說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
所以我希望就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
541 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
未來是不是可以把這些數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
541 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
分類 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
講得更清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
否則大家會誤會 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
所以剛剛這個執行長說 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
549 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
其實90幾個人已經回來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
549 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
那剩下的這些沒有回來人 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
552 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
有些可能是真的被關在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
552 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
或是有些人根本不想回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
557 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
有91個人到現在還找不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
557 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
不是91個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
134個有找到人了 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
其中還在中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
被拘禁的102個 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
567 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
所以回來的是22個 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
567 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
好 那麼是不是在中國拘禁 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
570 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
我們不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
570 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
因為現在兩岸共打的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
基本上是失靈 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
574 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
你們根本也沒有清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
574 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
那邊的數字訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
如果說今天是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
被劉治盤查的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
他涉及到違反大陸那裡的 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
相關的法律規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
譬如說這個可能是涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
詐欺 詐騙 刑事犯罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
590 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
或者是可能涉及到 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
590 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
592 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
他們那裡面的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
592 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
國安的相關法律 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
因為這個原因而被劉治 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
而被拘禁 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
那麼就是以你們現在的 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
601 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
這個數字來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
601 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
沒有分類 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
603 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
大家搞不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
603 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
假設今天是真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
因為被詐欺 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
606 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
因為詐欺犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
606 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
607 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
特別再教你一個說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
607 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
坦白說我們國人還滿開心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
至少這些詐欺犯不會回來台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
然後又被詐欺 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
613 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
又來詐欺我們台北 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
613 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
國務院你是學法律的 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
615 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
616 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
非常熟悉知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
616 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
根據1999年4月 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
620 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
兩岸兩會簽訂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
620 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
共同打擊犯罪與司法互助協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
第12條 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
明文規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
兩岸的人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
在對方的地區內 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
如果任何狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
631 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
633 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
繩身自由受到限制 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
633 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
雙方要立即通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
即使他是詐欺犯毒走私 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
任何的事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
640 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
都要及時通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
640 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
是的 我非常清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
所以說今天問題出在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
644 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
出在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
644 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
647 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
對岸片面不按照 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
647 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
649 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
兩會共同協議來執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
649 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
所以一切都回到 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
651 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
652 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
一切都回到軌道 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
652 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
654 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
就是他們按照當初簽訂協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
654 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
來通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
657 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
我們所有事件都掌握很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
657 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
658 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
主長我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
658 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
660 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
這個兩岸的交流要互相 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
660 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
662 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
為什麼現在對岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
662 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
對岸的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
666 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
是他們要執行協議的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
666 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
668 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
你不能這樣解讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
668 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
好像是我們的錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
671 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
我不是講說我們錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
671 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
672 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
而是我們認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
672 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
674 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
我們的做法也要檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
674 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
675 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
就像我講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
675 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
677 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
交流協議的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
677 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
680 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
就是F法或是兩岸四道協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
680 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
都是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
683 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
所以你什麼都是中國的錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
683 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
685 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
他也認為都是我們台灣的錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
685 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
687 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
現在最重要的問題是 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
687 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
主長是你們讓我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
這個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
691 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
提就這麼多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
691 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
是留在那裡被排查的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
695 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
你們就應該清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
695 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
到底我哪些人要講出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
700 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
我就是對於韓國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
700 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
非常關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
705 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
每一個被留在大陸的人的後背後 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
705 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
706 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
他都是一個家庭 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
706 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
708 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
為什麼這些家庭 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
708 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
710 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
他是被台灣求助 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
710 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
711 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
求助我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
711 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
包括我們的海基會 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
713 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
我們的陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
716 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
你能幫助到他們嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
716 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
能幫助到他們嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
這是我在乎的 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
我關心的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
723 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
假設真的有這麼多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
723 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
725 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
被留置在大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
725 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
726 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
被拘禁在大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
726 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
728 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
那他們的家族 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
728 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
729 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
在向我們的陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
729 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
向我們的海基會求助的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
732 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
我們能提供什麼協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
732 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
看起來是沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
736 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
你們現在都只能夠透過 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
736 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
737 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
在電視上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
737 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
738 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
你們的喊話 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
738 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
都是大陸好可惡 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
740 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
他怎麼可以做這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
740 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
742 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
可是對於我們的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
742 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
完全不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
745 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
而且我們甚至都懷疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
745 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
747 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
你們數字的正確性 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
747 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
748 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
坦白說 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
748 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
我剛才講得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
750 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
沒有一件是錯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
750 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
752 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
國台辦說我們數字錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
752 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
754 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
你也在這邊說我們數字錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
754 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
755 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
我解釋不了 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
755 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
我們數字都有根有據 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
759 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
到底是住在哪個區域 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
759 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
762 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
我們要怎麼解釋你才會知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
762 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
764 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
你相信他們不相信我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
764 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
我相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
767 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
你相信他們說的 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
767 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
768 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
說數字錯的 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
768 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
769 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
我每個數字也看 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
769 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
771 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
我可以給你看每個個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
771 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
我們在第一線執行的同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
774 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
775 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
非常辛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
775 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
你剛剛說你可以提供給我看 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
780 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
我就麻煩請你把相關的文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
780 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
782 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
以密件的方式提供給我看 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
782 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
783 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
我可以啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
783 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
785 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
我確實要做到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
785 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
有沒有這些人 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
788 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
因為我也高度的懷疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
788 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
790 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
為什麼我們台灣的家屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
790 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
792 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
竟然這麼受委屈 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
792 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
連向我們的媒體 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
795 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
也不敢公開報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
795 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
796 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
796 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
這個像陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
像海基會的求助 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
800 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
可是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
800 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
802 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
你們全面積極的做 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
802 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
804 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
我們現在是為了這些家屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
804 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
都有憑有據 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
807 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
我們就如實呈現 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
807 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
809 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
沒有你講的那個什麼造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
809 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
810 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
這不可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
810 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
813 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
我們重點是要把這個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
813 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
你要大家相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
818 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
最好的方式就是把數據公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
818 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
820 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
到底在台北有多少位 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
820 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
821 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
然後在 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
821 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
822 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
我們每個禮拜都公開 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
822 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
824 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
為了什麼樣的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
824 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
826 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
而被盤置拘留 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
826 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
827 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
我要講是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
827 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
829 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
我們台灣到台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
829 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
831 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
交流兩三百萬人 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
831 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
833 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
委員你讓我講一句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
833 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
835 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
我非常感謝你關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
835 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
837 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
這些失聯的台灣人 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
837 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
838 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
我當然關心 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
838 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
839 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
對 第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
839 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
842 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
我們數據完全沒有造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
842 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
844 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
今天說造假是國台辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
844 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
846 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
在記者會說造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
846 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
848 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
他們說造假我完全理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
848 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
849 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
因為他們就是這樣的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
849 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
850 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
這樣的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
850 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
852 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
但是你作為中央的立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
852 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
853 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
你說我們資料造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
853 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
854 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
而我提供造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
854 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
855 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
你還一再講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
855 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
857 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
數字有問題的造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
857 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
859 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
坦白講我心裡很痛心 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
859 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
860 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
秘書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
860 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
862 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
我希望你能夠了解一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
862 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
865 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
我沒有質疑你們的數字造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
865 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
867 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
但是我現在質疑的是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
867 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
869 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
這些數字後面代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
869 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
871 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
是什麼樣的個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
871 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
873 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
如果你沒有清楚讓我們知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
873 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
874 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
我怎麼會知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
874 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
875 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
對啊 我可以現在告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
875 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
877 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
是不是百分之百正確 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
877 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
878 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
你會想知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
878 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
879 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
我告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
879 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
881 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
我馬上可以告訴你個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
881 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
882 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
如果你想聽的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
882 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
885 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
基本上我們今天時間太短 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
885 |
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887 |
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你會知道在中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
887 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
889 |
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如果你沒有做好計畫 |
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889 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
890 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
沒有做好心理準備 |
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890 |
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892 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
是充滿風險的 |
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893 |
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894 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
我如果告訴你個案 |
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894 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
896 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
一個個案我剛剛講過 |
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896 |
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897 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
我剛剛講過 |
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897 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
900 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
每一個台灣人都會知道 |
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900 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
902 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
他要不要去大陸去交流 |
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902 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
903 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
要不要去旅遊 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
903 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
905 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
每個人都會有一些判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
905 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
907 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
我希望你們能夠提出 |
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907 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
909 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
提出這次把旅遊案件 |
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909 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
912 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
後面的數字到底 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
912 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
915 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
和他到底是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
915 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
917 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
所以你們就把到底是 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
917 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
918 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
一尾一貫道還是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
918 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
920 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
有哪些宗教的人士 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
920 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
922 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
然後幾個愛國就講出來嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
922 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
923 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
剛剛我都講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
923 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
925 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
一個個案向委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
925 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
926 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
我希望說 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
926 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
927 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
而且我希望你們了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
927 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
930 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
就是說家庭這些專屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
930 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
933 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
實際上到底有沒有受到 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
933 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
934 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
你們實質的幫助 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
934 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
936 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
而不是只是口號上 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
936 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
937 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
在香港那邊講講 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
937 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
939 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
然後你們到底做了些什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
939 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
940 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
都不聽我講 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
940 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
941 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
有沒有進了什麼樣的溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
941 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
943 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
我沒有不聽你們講 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
943 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
944 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
我沒有不聽你們講 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
944 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
946 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
我中間已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
946 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
949 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
你要相信台灣政府的自治 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
949 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
950 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
我不是相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
950 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
951 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
國台辦的自治會的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
951 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
953 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
基本上你就是給我扣帽子 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
953 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
954 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
我沒有給你扣帽子 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
954 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
956 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
你是說我們數字造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
956 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
958 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
我也沒有同說 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
958 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
959 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
國台辦說的是對的 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
959 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
960 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
我只是我今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
960 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
962 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
我是中華民國的立法委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
962 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
963 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
我當然有資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
963 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
965 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
要去接國陸委會 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
965 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
967 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
要去接國海基會 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
967 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
968 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
你們每年拿了那麼多錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
968 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
969 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
我沒有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
969 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
971 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
實質上對於這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
971 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
972 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
你們所謂的被 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
972 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
974 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
被滯留在 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
974 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
976 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
或被拘禁在大陸的人民和家屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
976 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
978 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
你們提供了什麼實質的幫助 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
978 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
979 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
兩岸司法互助協議 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
979 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
982 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
實質上等於停擺 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
982 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
984 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
任何的交流環保 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
984 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
988 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
如果不是靠少數人 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
988 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
989 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
像陳育章委員等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
989 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
990 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
他們當然很善 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
990 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
992 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
你們基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
992 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
994 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
根本沒有做到什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
994 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
995 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
大家勇敢的想 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
995 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
996 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
好 我非常同情 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
996 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
997 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
以上 謝謝 |