| IVOD_ID |
170757 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170757 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-29T11:48:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-29T12:02:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/271ed4367c1fa464ed679949407af04f512edcc96882cdd185f774578eefcf52472f2de3f147acf75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:48:17 - 12:02:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請大陸委員會主任委員、內政部部長、法務部、警政署、移民署、財團法人海峽交流基金會就「國人赴陸失聯情況及政府因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請內政部部長、警政署署長就「『萊爾校長』小編遭警突襲查水表事件，檢視警察執法標準與行政中立」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席好 麻煩請陸委會租了 謝謝 |
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主席好 各位想請教一下 最近陸委會常常出國 都要去宣傳兩岸政策 |
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陸委會常常出國 訪問越南計說明兩岸政策報告 |
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因為我們全年出國費用不到八百萬 總共辦幾場 |
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目前已經出訪的 越南還有一場是有到日本 |
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所以目前兩場 接下來還要去哪 |
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我們如果說有經費的話 因為很多國家來邀請陸委會去做合作 |
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如果說有經費的話 像我們同仁 通常是這樣子 如果官員開始扯東扯西的時候 感覺就必有貓膩 |
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我問的問題那麼簡單 接下來還打算去幾場 接下來還要去幾場 |
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接下來我們可能會去歐洲 德國 宣傳兩岸政策 去跟各國一起合作 跨境鎮壓 |
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我現在講的是說要去訪問其他國家 去說明兩岸政策的活動還有幾場 |
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目前比較兩個 德國跟美國 |
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那去我是不反對 但是我真的希望去有一定的效益 |
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然後我也希望去 你回來這個出國報告 我覺得要好好寫 |
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因為這個報告都上網公開的 那同時間大家認為報告 其實除了陸委會之外 |
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大家對僑委會的報告也就是覺得寫得很爛 |
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那網友看到僑委會主委徐家清 當然跟你無關 是你的同僚 |
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他回應是說 有機密 不然是要給中共看嗎 |
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這種回答實在是令人覺得很可笑 |
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那就算不是要給中共看 你也不要給其他國家笑 |
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你也稍微寫得有點水準嘛 對不對 |
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你就算有一個不能夠公開的非機密版 但是也要寫得有水準 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
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有水準跟看這兩回事 所以我不太能接受這個徐家清的說法 |
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那當然我今天不是質詢他啦 所以我希望陸委會以後有類似的報告 |
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你有機密不用公開 但你公開的東西就是要有水準 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
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因為這個代表國家的文書 那我覺得就針對這一份訪問院的報告 |
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我自己覺得有幾件事情 我是覺得還蠻怪的 |
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第一個 這個在第二頁的部分我是沒秀出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
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他裡面有提到副主委陳友中 他訪問了很多越南的智庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
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然後他在跟這個智庫溝通的過程當中 當然有說明政府致力於維持現狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
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但是他說 他跟越南的智庫呼籲北京當局要跟我民選政府對話 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
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我是不太懂啦 陸委會跑去越南 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
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然後跟越南的智庫去呼籲北京跟我們對話幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
215 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
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越南裡面是有北京的官方代表喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
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你要呼籲 你跑到越南去跟越南智庫呼籲幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
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這種東西寫出來就是讓人家覺得 你到底有去沒去 你到底是去幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
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你去呼籲北京 你去越南智庫呼籲北京跟我們對話 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
234 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
238 |
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周圍你要不要去問一下副主委到底去幹嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
238 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
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我清楚喔 委員這樣好不好 我們那個 我們參訪很多的細部也不方便完全揭露 |
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我剛剛有講 不方便揭露不要揭露 但你揭露不一定要有水準嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
253 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
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你那其他國家看到我們的陸委會跑到越南去跟越南智庫呼籲北京跟我們對話 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
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這就沒水準嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
266 |
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那個以後未來這個摘要板 我們一定配合委員說要有水準 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
266 |
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268 |
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好不好 這第一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
268 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
270 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
等一下一起講喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
270 |
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275 |
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第二個喔 這是心得與建議喔 這個心得與建議有寫跟沒寫一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
275 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
281 |
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第一點 越南追求獨立自主外交 應爭取越方深化與台合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
281 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
285 |
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不然咧 不然我們不要跟他爭取合作喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
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290 |
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你的心得是 難道你的心得回來會講說越南不怎麼樣 我們不要跟他合作嗎 |
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就是這個心得是有去跟沒去都可以得到的心得 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
294 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
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那大家當然就會質疑說你去沒有意義嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
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300 |
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第二個更好笑 這個就跟主委好好請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
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302 |
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現在我們的兩岸政策到底是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
302 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
306 |
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第二點叫做建議加強台越中智庫交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
311 |
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我不懂啊 民進黨不是很多人都在講說兩岸任何交流都統戰嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
317 |
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那為什麼在陸委會的報告裡面會講說要建議台越中三方交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
317 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
319 |
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那到底是要交流還是不要交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
319 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
324 |
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各位報告 事實上我們在對等尊嚴相互尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
324 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
329 |
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包括對岸的這些學者 智庫 我們都願意跟他交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
329 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
331 |
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我們始終都沒有停掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
331 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
336 |
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那這裡只是對越南也非常關注兩岸關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
336 |
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339 |
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還有南海的一些動態的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
339 |
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348 |
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特別是中國大陸積極的對南海地區的各種的擴張 巡航 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
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351 |
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這也造成周遭國家的一些風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
351 |
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353 |
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所以他們也很想 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
353 |
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355 |
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我是想知道陸委會現在是台灣的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
355 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
358 |
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那陸委會現在既然建議台越中智庫交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
360 |
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那你要怎麼促成這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
360 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
361 |
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然後你是跟誰建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
361 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
364 |
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你陸委會參訪完 有了這個心得 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
364 |
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368 |
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你不是路人 你也不是一般人 你是政府官方代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
372 |
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所以你要去建議誰 去加強台越中智庫交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
372 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
375 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
然後你要建議跟哪一個中國大陸的智庫交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
375 |
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376 |
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因為你是官方耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
376 |
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379 |
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你是建議誰嘛 你是建議賴清德總統嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
379 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
381 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
還是卓文泰院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
381 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
385 |
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跟委員報告 我們智庫交流還有很多的學生 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
385 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
388 |
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你是建議誰嘛 你現在回來他有這個心得 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
388 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
389 |
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這個副主委有這個心得 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
389 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
391 |
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覺得要跟台越中智庫交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
391 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
394 |
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那他是建議誰 他是建議賴清德總統嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
394 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
396 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
跟委員報告 還是誰 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
396 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
400 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
這個我們選副主委是帶著一群學者去 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
400 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
402 |
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不是他一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
402 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
405 |
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不是啦 這個報告是陸委會寫的嘛 |
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405 |
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409 |
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所以所以所以 大家都 連自己的能力都沒有那麼差啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
409 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
411 |
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他去參訪回來得到一個心得 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
411 |
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416 |
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說要建議要跟中國大陸的智庫跟越南三方多交流嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
416 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
418 |
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那你陸委會你一定往上建議嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
418 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
421 |
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那你建議卓文泰嘛 還是建議賴總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
421 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
422 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
我們都會 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
422 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
425 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
那你建議我們建議在台灣的智庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
425 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
427 |
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建議他們跟越南多交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
427 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
430 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
那你是建議跟中國大陸哪一個智庫交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
430 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
比較不會有統戰的危機 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
435 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
跟委員報告 只要是對等尊嚴相互尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
435 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
438 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
兩邊帶有理性的人應該坐下來好好聊 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
438 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
440 |
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是哪些嘛 不要講空話嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
440 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
不要講空話嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
442 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
我想我們過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
442 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
不要講空話 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
沒有啦 因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
跟中國大陸的 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
450 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
這我了解了啦 就代表說這個有去沒去真的一樣啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
450 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
452 |
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你一定都講不清楚嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
453 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
沒有沒有 委員你不要講 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
453 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
第一個 你要給我時間講 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
你已經講很久了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
459 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
我要著講 你要講什麼好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
459 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
461 |
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我都已經知道你要講什麼了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
463 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
你說哎呀 我們這建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
463 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
466 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
請問你一定是這樣講啦 因為我聽很多啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
466 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
你一定是建議說 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
467 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
468 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
我們當然建議兩岸多交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
468 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
471 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
但是要在對等尊嚴的情況下交流啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
471 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
472 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
然後咧 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
472 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
但是我們還是建議交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
474 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
可是現在對等尊嚴 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
474 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
但是現在就不對等尊嚴 |
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475 |
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476 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
所以就沒辦法交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
476 |
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477 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
就這一次繞圈圈 |
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477 |
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479 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
那你 我現在質疑的是說 |
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479 |
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481 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
如果說你去交流回來 |
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481 |
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482 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
你去參訪回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
484 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
得到這個繞圈圈的建議跟心得 |
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484 |
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485 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
那你去到底幹嘛嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
485 |
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488 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
我們直接兩岸的智庫交流員來進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
488 |
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491 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
我們的學術單位也在跟中國大陸做了回交 |
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491 |
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492 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
我們都有掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
那這個兩個建議喔 |
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495 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
第一個 就是要去要有效益 |
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497 |
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500 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
第二個 報告 上網的 |
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500 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
502 |
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不要被人家看到見怪 |
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502 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
然後再來就是希望有一個完整版的 |
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505 |
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506 |
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你不要公開 |
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506 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
因為你有出去要有一個完整版嘛 |
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508 |
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511 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
那如果有些委員他對於完整版 |
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511 |
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513 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
這個想要監督 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
513 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
514 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
那希望可以提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
514 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
那還有一個就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
當然你如果說機密 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
那你可以開機密會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
518 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
520 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
可是不能夠像徐家清那樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
520 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
就是說 我寫了Line怎麼樣 |
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521 |
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523 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
因為我不想被中共看 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
我不能接受政府機關官員 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
用這種方式來掩蓋 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
就越南的參訪案 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
530 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
雖然公布只有三頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
530 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
事實上真正的報告有三十幾頁 |
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532 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
有一萬三千多字 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
非常的豐富 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
那我也看 如果有機會的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
538 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
我請陳博士 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
538 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
可以啊 可以啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
540 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
那你要設計機密 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
540 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
我想如果說那麼豐富的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
542 |
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543 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
上網的部分應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
543 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
有一些沒有機密的部分 |
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545 |
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546 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
應該也蠻豐富的 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
549 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
這個好像有點太應付 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
549 |
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551 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
那剛剛 主席可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
552 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
再給我一點時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
552 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
因為剛剛主委講到一個話題 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
553 |
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554 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
我也蠻有興趣 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
你剛剛提到那個石板民服 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
558 |
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是其他 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
558 |
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559 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
剛剛你不是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
559 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
560 |
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石板民服剛剛不是你講的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
跨境鎮壓被你講的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
我有講過跨境 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
564 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
但沒有講到石板民服 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
564 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
好 你沒有講石板民服 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
567 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
我想跟你請教一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
567 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
石板民服這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
如果是跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
我們全部都譴責 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
如果是跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
但是現在到底是 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
根據什麼認為一定是跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
跨境鎮壓就是說習近平派人來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
那我有看到這個新聞有個報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
581 |
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585 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
就是說本來石板民服要去的那個演講會 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
585 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
蕭美琴總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
蕭美琴副總統本來也要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
590 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
然後後來蕭美琴副總統後來沒去 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
590 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
這是新聞報導 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
我有看到總統府也沒有出來否認 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
應該是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
598 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
然後這個民進黨立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
598 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
我就不要說哪一位了 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
還有一些綠營的民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
綠營的民嘴就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
那就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
606 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
為什麼呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
606 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
因為本來啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
這個對岸是派六個人來 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
然後來了之後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
後來離開了四個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
最後還留下一個打人的叫廖港發 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
617 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
619 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
加上一個把風的只留兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
619 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
這就說明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
原來那六個可能是 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
624 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
衝著蕭美琴副總統來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
624 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
所以六個 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
625 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
626 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
後來得知副總統不來之後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
626 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
就離開了四個 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
627 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
只留下一個打石板民服 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
所以這一定是跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
634 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
但我就覺得這很不合理 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
634 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
636 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
這個也請主委判斷一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
636 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
所以我們副總統維安這麼差 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
只要六個人就可以打得到我們副總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
644 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
那這六個是不是都武林高手 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
644 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
646 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
是張無忌加上白眉英王 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
646 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
647 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
紫山龍王 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
647 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
650 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
加上楊過跟郭敬是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
650 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
652 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
還是最強老爸 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
652 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
還是那個還是洛基 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
657 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
就是說這個情節讓我看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
657 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
659 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
都覺得很荒謬 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
659 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
662 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
我覺得跨境鎮壓我先說態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
662 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
如果跨境鎮壓全台灣都不能接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
666 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
我相信廖千祥也不能接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
666 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
667 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
大家不能接受 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
667 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
可是事實是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
671 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
我覺得大家要把它說明清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
671 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
672 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
不是用推論的 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
672 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
675 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
來的六個就是要對我們副總統怎麼樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
675 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
677 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
這六個是怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
677 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
679 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
這六個都是盛懷絕技武林高手 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
679 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
還是我們副總統維安那麼差 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
683 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
不管是從哪一個點來看都會有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
683 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
685 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
所以你認為現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
685 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
哪一些很明確的證據是說明的 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
689 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
就是石板明夫真的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
692 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
習近平派來打的 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
692 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
695 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
各位報告我們有一些港人 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
695 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
697 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
也曾經遭受跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
697 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
699 |
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像湯偉雄兩次被迫擊 |
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699 |
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701 |
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我們都有去聊一題案子 |
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701 |
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703 |
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那跟這個石板明夫先生這個案子 |
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703 |
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705 |
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有非常接近 |
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705 |
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707 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
就是打完他就跑 |
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707 |
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709 |
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況且打完就跑就一定是 |
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709 |
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711 |
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習近平派來的喔 |
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711 |
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713 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
另外一方面我們可以看到 |
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713 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
715 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
已經有集團化事先部署 |
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715 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
而且目前地檢署也在掌握他的資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
721 |
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725 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
他還跟這個回報說任務完成 |
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725 |
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727 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
你說他跟習近平回報 |
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727 |
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729 |
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然後我們有去關切石板明夫 |
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729 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
我親自有去訪問石板明夫 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
731 |
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735 |
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那只要是跨境鎮壓我們都會去關切 |
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735 |
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737 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
那石板明夫告訴我 |
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737 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
這個歹徒遇到他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
你是不是石板明夫 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
你是不是石板明夫 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
743 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
745 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
顯然他也不認識石板明夫 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
745 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
747 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
石板先生嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
747 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
預謀的我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
751 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
他無冤無仇 |
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751 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
753 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
沒有冤冤 |
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753 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
755 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
那為什麼會這樣 |
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755 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
所以這些機制看起來 |
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757 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
759 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
他應該很像 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
759 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
761 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
習近平派打他的 |
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761 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
763 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
跟湯偉雄的案子有點接近 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
763 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
類似 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
765 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
767 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
那麼當然我們這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
767 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
769 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
進入整個司法系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
769 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
771 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
我們就我們知道的部分 |
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771 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
773 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
跟委員報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
773 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
775 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
有些人說如果這是習近平派來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
775 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
跨境鎮壓我一定譴責 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
779 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
但是預謀 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
779 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
781 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
到底是不是我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
781 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
783 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
我不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
783 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
785 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
因為我2019被民進黨騙過 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
785 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
787 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
那時候有一個王立強 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
787 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
789 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
跑到澳洲去接受訪問 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
789 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
說他是大陸007 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
花2000萬介入韓國瑜的選舉 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
793 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
795 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
幫韓國瑜勝選 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
795 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
後來當時的民進黨政府說太嚴重了 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
797 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
怎麼會發生這樣的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
國安事件趕快派高層去澳洲了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
803 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
結果了解完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
803 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
就說有個相親夫婦 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
805 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
807 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
要把相親夫婦給抓了 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
807 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
809 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
結果幾年後 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
809 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
王立強被證明是個詐騙犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
813 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
被澳洲驅逐出境 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
813 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
相親夫婦被扣留在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
815 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
817 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
好幾年也出境了 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
817 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
819 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
所以我現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
819 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
821 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
我覺得若是的話我很生氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
821 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
跟你們一樣我跟大家一樣生氣 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
825 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
但是是不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
825 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
827 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
我以前操作過 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
827 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
829 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
所以我會講說都聽將你的判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
829 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
831 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
讓大家了解一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
831 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
833 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
會不會又是王立強事件的翻版 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
833 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
835 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
所以謝謝主委你的說明 |