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謝龍介 @ 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:13,000 | 主席 |
| 00:00:13,000 | 00:00:17,000 | 主席 我邀請劉委會主委跟京政署長 |
| 00:00:17,000 | 00:00:23,000 | 主席 |
| 00:00:23,000 | 00:00:24,000 | 市委好 |
| 00:00:24,000 | 00:00:34,000 | 市長 你們剛才說對這個東樹林這個案件 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:39,000 | 用聲音做一個削減AI的音頻 |
| 00:00:39,000 | 00:00:43,000 | 你說你們沒有共作的作用 |
| 00:00:44,000 | 00:00:49,000 | 但是 讓人的心生畏懼 |
| 00:00:49,000 | 00:00:53,000 | 藉著閒閒的效應 |
| 00:00:53,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 我們不是警察國家 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:57,000 | 有的事情沒需要 |
| 00:00:57,000 | 00:01:00,000 | 我相信你對於羅總統也很認識 |
| 00:01:00,000 | 00:01:02,000 | 我也對他很認識 |
| 00:01:02,000 | 00:01:05,000 | 他不一定會來打電話跟你交代 |
| 00:01:05,000 | 00:01:07,000 | 說這個警察戳戳的 |
| 00:01:07,000 | 00:01:09,000 | 沒意思 |
| 00:01:09,000 | 00:01:11,000 | 難看 |
| 00:01:11,000 | 00:01:15,000 | 因為很多案件要辦 |
| 00:01:15,000 | 00:01:18,000 | 東樹林讓人覺得 |
| 00:01:18,000 | 00:01:23,000 | 如果辦接證棟就像土匪過渡 |
| 00:01:23,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 如果辦財丫棟就像武雄打虎 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:29,000 | 說不定 |
| 00:01:29,000 | 00:01:32,000 | 這樣社會觀感不佳 |
| 00:01:32,000 | 00:01:34,000 | 沒有得分 |
| 00:01:34,000 | 00:01:36,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:01:36,000 | 00:01:38,000 | 來 劉委會 |
| 00:01:38,000 | 00:01:39,000 | 劉委會 |
| 00:01:39,000 | 00:01:40,000 | 郭主委 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:42,000 | 市委好 |
| 00:01:42,000 | 00:01:44,000 | 市長 等一下 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:50,000 | 他這裡有一部分跟你有關的 |
| 00:01:50,000 | 00:01:52,000 | 幾年了 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:02:00,000 | 這個前龍尾飛的副主委 |
| 00:02:00,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 李退基 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:06,000 | 最近才報告他有去台六 |
| 00:02:06,000 | 00:02:07,000 | 幾處 |
| 00:02:07,000 | 00:02:09,000 | 請問你有去欲順嗎 |
| 00:02:09,000 | 00:02:11,000 | 有去欲擔嗎 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:13,000 | 有 |
| 00:02:13,000 | 00:02:16,000 | 跟我們報告你講的案子 |
| 00:02:16,000 | 00:02:19,000 | 雖然我們有看到媒體報導 |
| 00:02:19,000 | 00:02:24,000 | 但是他有沒有觸犯什麼樣的兩岸條例違反 |
| 00:02:24,000 | 00:02:26,000 | 我們現在沒有任何證據 |
| 00:02:26,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 我們有關注 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:29,000 | 但是沒有涉及 |
| 00:02:29,000 | 00:02:31,000 | 你怎麼有觸犯什麼條例 |
| 00:02:31,000 | 00:02:34,000 | 最近來報警察來調查 |
| 00:02:34,000 | 00:02:35,000 | 我給他提出來的 |
| 00:02:35,000 | 00:02:37,000 | 他有觸犯什麼條例 |
| 00:02:37,000 | 00:02:39,000 | 我的意思是說 |
| 00:02:39,000 | 00:02:40,000 | 你這麼多年來關心 |
| 00:02:40,000 | 00:02:43,000 | 我們個人去台六 |
| 00:02:43,000 | 00:02:45,000 | 有沒有去欲擔 |
| 00:02:45,000 | 00:02:47,000 | 有去欲擔 |
| 00:02:47,000 | 00:02:51,000 | 這是你們貴董的各界的重政當局 |
| 00:02:51,000 | 00:02:54,000 | 去台六喝下去請他來喝茶 |
| 00:02:54,000 | 00:02:57,000 | 你去那裡有沒有去欲擔 |
| 00:02:57,000 | 00:03:00,000 | 阿強有沒有跟你們合作 |
| 00:03:00,000 | 00:03:03,000 | 有沒有跟你做工作 |
| 00:03:03,000 | 00:03:05,000 | 有沒有跟你通過 |
| 00:03:05,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 你做了一回事 |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 他才關心這個議題 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:11,000 | 你竟然都沒有報大片 |
| 00:03:11,000 | 00:03:12,000 | 你都沒有 |
| 00:03:12,000 | 00:03:14,000 | 電話問好他 |
| 00:03:14,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 都沒有 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 你都沒有跟他聯絡 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:20,000 | 我們會有時候會碰到 |
| 00:03:20,000 | 00:03:23,000 | 但是他都沒有跟我講他附錄的事情 |
| 00:03:23,000 | 00:03:25,000 | 我說你看到報導以後 |
| 00:03:25,000 | 00:03:27,000 | 所以我也有問過梁副主委 |
| 00:03:27,000 | 00:03:29,000 | 梁副主委說也沒跟他聯繫 |
| 00:03:29,000 | 00:03:31,000 | 這跟梁文傑也沒關係 |
| 00:03:31,000 | 00:03:33,000 | 他這個事件 |
| 00:03:33,000 | 00:03:37,000 | 跟他在中國大陸是不是有受到傷害 |
| 00:03:37,000 | 00:03:40,000 | 我們沒有看到任何這方面的情節 |
| 00:03:40,000 | 00:03:42,000 | 除非他有足夠來跟我們講 |
| 00:03:42,000 | 00:03:45,000 | 他沒有被中國大陸對他有任何的傷害 |
| 00:03:45,000 | 00:03:48,000 | 目前我們沒有看到這個事件 |
| 00:03:48,000 | 00:03:51,000 | 好那書長來 |
| 00:03:51,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 主委現在在我們台南 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:03:58,000 | 民間團結到這樣洪洪雨雨 |
| 00:03:58,000 | 00:04:04,000 | 我們有一個貴族的閣級幹部的親屬 |
| 00:04:04,000 | 00:04:08,000 | 說去台南的失蹤 |
| 00:04:08,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 失蹤 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:12,000 | 有人說他是兇手犯罪 |
| 00:04:12,000 | 00:04:16,000 | 有人說他去通診之後被收拾起來 |
| 00:04:16,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 有人說他沒面子 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 去台南失蹤 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:23,000 | 我想你才有將握到這種的 |
| 00:04:23,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 台南市也有台南市傳聞很多就是說 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:31,000 | 有人說他是去給他看他的親屬 |
| 00:04:31,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 那個羅府的監獄 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:37,000 | 有人說他去台中旅遊 |
| 00:04:37,000 | 00:04:39,000 | 抓失蹤 |
| 00:04:39,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 有人說他卡在兇手案件 |
| 00:04:43,000 | 00:04:45,000 | 到底這是怎樣 |
| 00:04:45,000 | 00:04:47,000 | 你有了解嗎 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:49,000 | 有將握嗎 |
| 00:04:49,000 | 00:04:51,000 | 委員你說的那個案子 |
| 00:04:51,000 | 00:04:53,000 | 我可能不清楚 |
| 00:04:53,000 | 00:04:55,000 | 因為你如果說 |
| 00:04:55,000 | 00:04:57,000 | 如果有經過的討好來告訴我們 |
| 00:04:57,000 | 00:04:59,000 | 這樣你不理解 |
| 00:04:59,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 你有理解的部分是因為那個區域你作什麼 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:04,000 | 所以我是怕你聽到 |
| 00:05:04,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 你現在說這個團沒 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:07,000 | 有人說什麼天馬行空 |
| 00:05:07,000 | 00:05:08,000 | 來來來 |
| 00:05:08,000 | 00:05:10,000 | 這不是天馬行空 |
| 00:05:10,000 | 00:05:12,000 | 網路窗角 |
| 00:05:12,000 | 00:05:14,000 | 來注意你知道嗎 |
| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:16,000 | 委員你說的案件 |
| 00:05:16,000 | 00:05:18,000 | 你有案件可以交給我 |
| 00:05:18,000 | 00:05:20,000 | 我有文給你 |
| 00:05:20,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 我們通常有沒有 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:24,000 | 我有文給你 |
| 00:05:24,000 | 00:05:26,000 | 那我們 |
| 00:05:26,000 | 00:05:29,000 | 貴東的閣級幹部是很貴的 |
| 00:05:29,000 | 00:05:32,000 | 中央的閣級幹部呢 |
| 00:05:32,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 他的親屬呢 |
| 00:05:41,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 我們會循著兩岸共打機制向對岸問 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:45,000 | 同時 |
| 00:05:45,000 | 00:05:47,000 | 如果委員可以的話 |
| 00:05:47,000 | 00:05:49,000 | 不是啦是你講的 |
| 00:05:49,000 | 00:05:51,000 | 人心想要迫害 |
| 00:05:51,000 | 00:05:53,000 | 我們要證明國安法嗎 |
| 00:05:53,000 | 00:05:55,000 | 我們要分黨派 |
| 00:05:55,000 | 00:05:57,000 | 如果他是上議 |
| 00:05:59,000 | 00:06:01,000 | 有親屬案件 |
| 00:06:01,000 | 00:06:03,000 | 我們就是親屬金班 |
| 00:06:03,000 | 00:06:05,000 | 針對中央共打機犯罪 |
| 00:06:05,000 | 00:06:07,000 | 去理解嘛 |
| 00:06:07,000 | 00:06:09,000 | 也要求對方通報 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:11,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:06:11,000 | 00:06:13,000 | 現在就傳到整個都不知道 |
| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:16,000 | 團都不明白 |
| 00:06:16,000 | 00:06:18,000 | 如果委員民進黨的 |
| 00:06:18,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 出事都調工 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:22,000 | 晚上起來 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:24,000 | 其他人去就把你擴大選團 |
| 00:06:24,000 | 00:06:26,000 | 當然不是這樣 |
| 00:06:26,000 | 00:06:28,000 | 委員這個案件 |
| 00:06:28,000 | 00:06:30,000 | 你跟當事人有熟識 |
| 00:06:30,000 | 00:06:32,000 | 是不是我們同仁可以去 |
| 00:06:32,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 家庭關懷訪視 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:36,000 | 掌握更多的資訊 |
| 00:06:36,000 | 00:06:38,000 | 可以來激富的幫忙 |
| 00:06:38,000 | 00:06:40,000 | 他們比我差一點 |
| 00:06:40,000 | 00:06:42,000 | 現在說要去家庭訪視 |
| 00:06:42,000 | 00:06:44,000 | 你聽不懂 |
| 00:06:44,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 我們是昨天下午才接到 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:50,000 | 我們會積極來協助這個案子 |
| 00:06:50,000 | 00:06:52,000 | 你要釐清一下 |
| 00:06:52,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 市府案件 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:56,000 | 就是大陸市中營 |
| 00:06:56,000 | 00:06:58,000 | 市中營我沒看到你們的通報 |
| 00:06:58,000 | 00:07:00,000 | 有嗎 |
| 00:07:00,000 | 00:07:02,000 | 是 |
| 00:07:02,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 如果是昨天通報 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 我們這個禮拜四 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:08,000 | 就會把列入一個案子 |
| 00:07:08,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 重點倒不是案子的增加 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:12,000 | 而是我們要實質的幫助家屬 |
| 00:07:12,000 | 00:07:14,000 | 來幫他打探家屬 |
| 00:07:14,000 | 00:07:16,000 | 你們來電來給我們 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:18,000 | 打探是說家屬希望低調 |
| 00:07:18,000 | 00:07:20,000 | 你比較可能都不知道 |
| 00:07:20,000 | 00:07:22,000 | 我是今天早上來問你 |
| 00:07:22,000 | 00:07:24,000 | 為什麼出事家屬要低調 |
| 00:07:26,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 有幾個部分 |
| 00:07:28,000 | 00:07:30,000 | 對岸有可能他們的公安 |
| 00:07:30,000 | 00:07:32,000 | 會通知家屬不要跟你們的政府聯繫 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:34,000 | 如果你們跟你的政府聯繫的話 |
| 00:07:34,000 | 00:07:36,000 | 可能會 |
| 00:07:36,000 | 00:07:38,000 | 讓你們的案子 |
| 00:07:38,000 | 00:07:40,000 | 更難解決 |
| 00:07:40,000 | 00:07:42,000 | 這樣 |
| 00:07:42,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 這樣告訴我我是一定會批評的 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:46,000 | 所以我們也是 |
| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:48,000 | 一直跟對岸說 |
| 00:07:48,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 你傳遍了很多 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 非官方的訊息 |
| 00:07:52,000 | 00:07:54,000 | 到處流竄 |
| 00:07:54,000 | 00:07:56,000 | 家屬也分不清這是詐騙的訊息 |
| 00:07:56,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 沒有啦我現在很嚴肅跟你說 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:08:00,000 | 都沒有交流這個問題 |
| 00:08:00,000 | 00:08:02,000 | 大家請你們來看台 |
| 00:08:02,000 | 00:08:04,000 | 但是用非法的手段 |
| 00:08:04,000 | 00:08:06,000 | 用非法的手段 |
| 00:08:06,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 欲縮我們台灣人的人身自由 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:10,000 | 沒分洞派 |
| 00:08:10,000 | 00:08:12,000 | 大家都要嚴正控制 |
| 00:08:12,000 | 00:08:14,000 | 但是我們的人 |
| 00:08:14,000 | 00:08:16,000 | 去那些很敢反抗 |
| 00:08:16,000 | 00:08:18,000 | 我看有的沒的 |
| 00:08:18,000 | 00:08:20,000 | 要很清楚 |
| 00:08:20,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 你不能讓你孫子變成 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:24,000 | 再扣大算了就不必要 |
| 00:08:24,000 | 00:08:26,000 | 不必要去製造這種 |
| 00:08:26,000 | 00:08:28,000 | 窮逢 |
| 00:08:28,000 | 00:08:30,000 | 是不是這樣 |
| 00:08:30,000 | 00:08:32,000 | 台大就要這樣明確立場 |
| 00:08:32,000 | 00:08:34,000 | 這樣好不好 |
| 00:08:34,000 | 00:08:36,000 | 當然 |
| 00:08:36,000 | 00:08:38,000 | 在這個案件 |
| 00:08:38,000 | 00:08:40,000 | 我希望你盡速把本席答覆 |
| 00:08:40,000 | 00:08:42,000 | 好不好 |
| 00:08:42,000 | 00:08:44,000 | 好 |