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王鴻薇 @ 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:20,000 | 好 |
| 00:00:20,000 | 00:00:28,000 | 謝謝主席啊 我先請我們內政部部長以及移民署署長 |
| 00:00:28,000 | 00:00:38,000 | 好 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:40,000 | 好 |
| 00:00:40,000 | 00:00:42,000 | 部長署長 |
| 00:00:42,000 | 00:00:44,000 | 昨天在日本熊本 |
| 00:00:44,000 | 00:00:46,000 | 發生了7.1級的強震 |
| 00:00:46,000 | 00:00:48,000 | 所以大家非常關心 |
| 00:00:48,000 | 00:00:50,000 | 現在還留在熊本的 |
| 00:00:50,000 | 00:00:52,000 | 我們的台灣的民眾 |
| 00:00:52,000 | 00:00:54,000 | 但是問題是 |
| 00:00:54,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 交通部 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:58,000 | 現在只能夠整理出 |
| 00:00:58,000 | 00:01:00,000 | 就是 |
| 00:01:00,000 | 00:01:02,000 | 組團到日本 |
| 00:01:02,000 | 00:01:04,000 | 九州的觀光團的人數 |
| 00:01:04,000 | 00:01:06,000 | 但是大家知道 |
| 00:01:06,000 | 00:01:08,000 | 大家去日本旅遊絕大部分 |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:10,000 | 都是自由行 |
| 00:01:10,000 | 00:01:12,000 | 對吧 其實參加團的人非常少 |
| 00:01:12,000 | 00:01:14,000 | 所以我想請問一下 |
| 00:01:14,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 我們到目前為止 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:18,000 | 我們內政部移民署有沒有掌握 |
| 00:01:18,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 我們目前還 |
| 00:01:20,000 | 00:01:22,000 | 滯留在 |
| 00:01:22,000 | 00:01:24,000 | 這個熊本的 |
| 00:01:24,000 | 00:01:26,000 | 台灣民眾的人數 |
| 00:01:26,000 | 00:01:28,000 | 委員好 |
| 00:01:28,000 | 00:01:30,000 | 這個 |
| 00:01:30,000 | 00:01:32,000 | 我們在 |
| 00:01:32,000 | 00:01:34,000 | 發生我們熊本的7.1的地震之後 |
| 00:01:34,000 | 00:01:36,000 | 其實 |
| 00:01:36,000 | 00:01:38,000 | 我們有透過外交部 |
| 00:01:38,000 | 00:01:40,000 | 去請外交部要來協助 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:42,000 | 來協助這個 |
| 00:01:42,000 | 00:01:44,000 | 我們國人赴日本的 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:46,000 | 這個部分 |
| 00:01:46,000 | 00:01:48,000 | 那我們也立刻在電腦資訊系統裡面去篩率 |
| 00:01:48,000 | 00:01:50,000 | 就是說在近這一周 |
| 00:01:50,000 | 00:01:52,000 | 裡面 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 到九州地區的這個 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:56,000 | 熊本跟富邦 |
| 00:01:56,000 | 00:01:58,000 | 不管是旅遊或者是公務 |
| 00:01:58,000 | 00:02:00,000 | 就是出境前往那個地方的 |
| 00:02:00,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 大概有接近兩萬人左右以上 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:04,000 | 接近兩萬人 |
| 00:02:04,000 | 00:02:06,000 | 所以目前就是大概 |
| 00:02:06,000 | 00:02:08,000 | 你們現在推估有兩萬人 |
| 00:02:08,000 | 00:02:10,000 | 在熊本 |
| 00:02:10,000 | 00:02:12,000 | 就是 |
| 00:02:12,000 | 00:02:14,000 | 九州區域 |
| 00:02:14,000 | 00:02:16,000 | 就是可能在災區附近 |
| 00:02:16,000 | 00:02:18,000 | 所以我們還是會希望 |
| 00:02:18,000 | 00:02:20,000 | 因為他們現在可能還會 |
| 00:02:20,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 繼續有餘震 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:24,000 | 我們還是要去掌握 |
| 00:02:24,000 | 00:02:26,000 | 我們台灣民眾不管是基於旅遊 |
| 00:02:26,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 觀光或者是 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:30,000 | 他在這個商務的行程 |
| 00:02:30,000 | 00:02:32,000 | 更不要說台積電在熊本有場 |
| 00:02:32,000 | 00:02:34,000 | 我們能夠掌握 |
| 00:02:34,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:38,000 | 部長請回 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:40,000 | 請那個警政署署長 |
| 00:02:40,000 | 00:02:42,000 | 好 |
| 00:02:42,000 | 00:02:44,000 | 部長署長 |
| 00:02:44,000 | 00:02:46,000 | 這兩天 |
| 00:02:46,000 | 00:02:48,000 | 在 |
| 00:02:48,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 大家討論的 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:52,000 | 就是有關於呢 |
| 00:02:52,000 | 00:02:54,000 | 這個韋淳佑 |
| 00:02:54,000 | 00:02:56,000 | 這小編 |
| 00:02:56,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 那麼他所製作的 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:03:00,000 | 由不得你的這個影片 |
| 00:03:00,000 | 00:03:02,000 | 那現在呢 |
| 00:03:02,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 你們已經移送給台北地檢署 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 偵辦 |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 在你們今天 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 的報告裡面說 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:12,000 | 他可能涉及的法條 |
| 00:03:12,000 | 00:03:14,000 | 包含這個 |
| 00:03:14,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 刑法偽照文書 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 包含刑法裡面的 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:20,000 | 妨害名譽罪 |
| 00:03:20,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 包含個資法 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 那我也注意到 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:26,000 | 這個我們 |
| 00:03:26,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 部長在接受媒體訪問的時候 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 說這個是不能接受的 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:32,000 | 你說這不屬於言論自由 |
| 00:03:32,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 範圍 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:36,000 | 這是不能接受 |
| 00:03:36,000 | 00:03:38,000 | 就是啊 |
| 00:03:38,000 | 00:03:40,000 | 台灣最兩個寶貴的資產 |
| 00:03:40,000 | 00:03:42,000 | 一個是民主一個是法治 |
| 00:03:42,000 | 00:03:44,000 | 所以我們政府 |
| 00:03:44,000 | 00:03:46,000 | 在採取很多的 |
| 00:03:46,000 | 00:03:48,000 | 動作執法的時候 |
| 00:03:48,000 | 00:03:50,000 | 必須要有法律 |
| 00:03:50,000 | 00:03:52,000 | 預計 |
| 00:03:52,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 同不同意 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:03:56,000 | 好那我想請問一下 |
| 00:03:56,000 | 00:03:58,000 | 在725我們的警察 |
| 00:03:58,000 | 00:04:00,000 | 到韋淳佑 |
| 00:04:00,000 | 00:04:02,000 | 家裡 |
| 00:04:02,000 | 00:04:04,000 | 是希望他能夠 |
| 00:04:04,000 | 00:04:06,000 | 下架影片請問一下 |
| 00:04:06,000 | 00:04:08,000 | 當時我們 |
| 00:04:08,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 的警察執法的時候 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:12,000 | 有沒有告知韋淳佑本人 |
| 00:04:12,000 | 00:04:14,000 | 或者是 |
| 00:04:14,000 | 00:04:16,000 | 一門的他的父親 |
| 00:04:16,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 你們是根據 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 什麼法律 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:22,000 | 來上門要求下架 |
| 00:04:22,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 好那 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:26,000 | 因為這個案件是 |
| 00:04:26,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 檢舉完之後我們 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:30,000 | 發覺有可能就是 |
| 00:04:30,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 高度的AI三維的這個狀況 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 這個情形 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:36,000 | 那我們 |
| 00:04:36,000 | 00:04:38,000 | 好我請問一下當時你們 |
| 00:04:38,000 | 00:04:40,000 | 登門的時候已經 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:42,000 | 完成了鑑定了嗎 |
| 00:04:42,000 | 00:04:44,000 | 我們刑事局 |
| 00:04:44,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 登門的時候完成鑑定了嗎 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:48,000 | 我們刑事局有做這樣的一個判斷 |
| 00:04:48,000 | 00:04:50,000 | 當時你們完成鑑定 |
| 00:04:50,000 | 00:04:52,000 | 你們現在連時序都搞不清楚嗎 |
| 00:04:52,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 這個刑事局是不是可以 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 刑事局來做那個 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:58,000 | 沒有你先告訴我當時你們有沒有完成鑑定 |
| 00:04:58,000 | 00:05:00,000 | 你上門的時候 |
| 00:05:00,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 我們還原25號當天 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:04,000 | 不要把那個 |
| 00:05:04,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 待會再問刑事局 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:08,000 | 所以當天你們學長都不知道 |
| 00:05:08,000 | 00:05:10,000 | 有沒有完成鑑定 |
| 00:05:10,000 | 00:05:12,000 | 只是認為這有申委的可能 |
| 00:05:12,000 | 00:05:14,000 | 然後警察去執法 |
| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:16,000 | 警察執法 |
| 00:05:16,000 | 00:05:18,000 | 有沒有告知 |
| 00:05:18,000 | 00:05:20,000 | 當事人 |
| 00:05:20,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 當事人不在家 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:24,000 | 一門的是父親他的爸爸說 |
| 00:05:24,000 | 00:05:26,000 | 我是根據什麼法條 |
| 00:05:26,000 | 00:05:28,000 | 我要求或者說 |
| 00:05:28,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 希望你把影片下架 |
| 00:05:30,000 | 00:05:32,000 | 這樣子就是說 |
| 00:05:32,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 這個是一個沒有強制的作為 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:36,000 | 沒有強制 |
| 00:05:36,000 | 00:05:38,000 | 如果有法的話就可以有強制作為 |
| 00:05:38,000 | 00:05:40,000 | 所以你現在是警察上門 |
| 00:05:40,000 | 00:05:42,000 | 道德勸說 |
| 00:05:42,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 是不是上門道德勸說 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:46,000 | 我先說明一下 |
| 00:05:46,000 | 00:05:48,000 | 現在這個案是還沒有移送 |
| 00:05:48,000 | 00:05:50,000 | 北檢是在做偵查當中 |
| 00:05:50,000 | 00:05:52,000 | 案件沒有做移送還在偵查 |
| 00:05:52,000 | 00:05:54,000 | 第一個 |
| 00:05:54,000 | 00:05:56,000 | 第二個部分我們 |
| 00:05:56,000 | 00:05:58,000 | 發現這個案件是一個 |
| 00:05:58,000 | 00:06:00,000 | AI申委的一個狀況 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:02,000 | 那很多的這些的影片 |
| 00:06:02,000 | 00:06:04,000 | 現在我們發現很多影片 |
| 00:06:04,000 | 00:06:06,000 | 就是仿冒的 |
| 00:06:06,000 | 00:06:08,000 | 這些的一個偽的這個帳號 |
| 00:06:08,000 | 00:06:10,000 | 我們要去查證 |
| 00:06:10,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 我們要去查證這個是不是有沒有 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:14,000 | 這個帳號有沒有遭到冒用 |
| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:16,000 | 是一個掀起的一個查證 |
| 00:06:16,000 | 00:06:18,000 | 的作為 |
| 00:06:18,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 是不是屬於他來做製造 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:22,000 | 的這種情形 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:24,000 | 我們很多影片都是因為 |
| 00:06:24,000 | 00:06:26,000 | 我們看到的這些 |
| 00:06:26,000 | 00:06:28,000 | 學長我問你喔 |
| 00:06:28,000 | 00:06:30,000 | 如果有人在家中住喔 |
| 00:06:30,000 | 00:06:32,000 | 他在看電視 |
| 00:06:32,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 或者是正在煮飯 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:36,000 | 警察上門他會不會害怕 |
| 00:06:36,000 | 00:06:38,000 | 他會不會心生恐懼發生什麼事 |
| 00:06:38,000 | 00:06:40,000 | 我們會告訴他來由不是說 |
| 00:06:40,000 | 00:06:42,000 | 不是你一定要告訴他什麼法 |
| 00:06:42,000 | 00:06:44,000 | 我想請教一下 |
| 00:06:44,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 我想請教一下 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:48,000 | 這個帳號 |
| 00:06:48,000 | 00:06:50,000 | 部長我請問一下 |
| 00:06:50,000 | 00:06:52,000 | 來我們聊會部長 |
| 00:06:52,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 在7月25號警察上門之前 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:56,000 | 請問一下部長 |
| 00:06:56,000 | 00:06:58,000 | 有沒有打電話 |
| 00:06:58,000 | 00:07:00,000 | 給警政署署長 |
| 00:07:00,000 | 00:07:02,000 | 或者是任何的 |
| 00:07:02,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 一個內政部的下屬 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 然後你說這個影片 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:08,000 | 應該要做處理 |
| 00:07:08,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 你有沒有打過電話 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:12,000 | 完全沒有你完全沒有打電話 |
| 00:07:12,000 | 00:07:14,000 | 我跟委員報告 |
| 00:07:14,000 | 00:07:16,000 | 我是在接近7點左右 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:18,000 | 問署長 |
| 00:07:18,000 | 00:07:20,000 | 就是說因為現在媒體 |
| 00:07:20,000 | 00:07:22,000 | 有出現這個部分 |
| 00:07:22,000 | 00:07:24,000 | 是不是請這個刑事局或者是警政署 |
| 00:07:24,000 | 00:07:26,000 | 要發一個簡單的新聞稿 |
| 00:07:26,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 就只有這件事情 |
| 00:07:28,000 | 00:07:32,000 | 所以當天警察上門的事情你不知道 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:34,000 | 你完全不知道 |
| 00:07:34,000 | 00:07:36,000 | 來署長請問一下 |
| 00:07:36,000 | 00:07:38,000 | 在7月25號警察 |
| 00:07:38,000 | 00:07:40,000 | 去上門 |
| 00:07:40,000 | 00:07:42,000 | 去詢問要求下降 |
| 00:07:42,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 之前你知道嗎 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:46,000 | 完全不知道 |
| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:48,000 | 所以這件事情 |
| 00:07:48,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 是誰要求的呢 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 署長這你所了解 |
| 00:07:52,000 | 00:07:54,000 | 我第一聲就是了解 |
| 00:07:54,000 | 00:07:56,000 | 就是部長打電話說 |
| 00:07:56,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 這個有這樣的情形你了解清楚 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:08:00,000 | 打給你什麼 |
| 00:08:00,000 | 00:08:02,000 | 就是4月8號之後還是4月8號前 |
| 00:08:02,000 | 00:08:04,000 | 只有這個10點前 |
| 00:08:04,000 | 00:08:06,000 | 知道 |
| 00:08:06,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 這個狀況是什麼情形 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:10,000 | 可能要去了解之後 |
| 00:08:10,000 | 00:08:12,000 | 所以你有沒有打電話給台北市警察局 |
| 00:08:12,000 | 00:08:14,000 | 或者是 |
| 00:08:14,000 | 00:08:16,000 | 就是分局長之類的 |
| 00:08:16,000 | 00:08:18,000 | 完全沒有 |
| 00:08:18,000 | 00:08:20,000 | 那你所了解 |
| 00:08:20,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 這個是完全是 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:24,000 | 刑事局 |
| 00:08:24,000 | 00:08:26,000 | 他們的 |
| 00:08:26,000 | 00:08:28,000 | 他們的主動 |
| 00:08:28,000 | 00:08:30,000 | 案件 |
| 00:08:30,000 | 00:08:32,000 | 另外我想請問一下 |
| 00:08:32,000 | 00:08:34,000 | 我們涉及的相關的法條 |
| 00:08:34,000 | 00:08:36,000 | 其中一個 |
| 00:08:36,000 | 00:08:38,000 | 因為剛才部長說 |
| 00:08:38,000 | 00:08:40,000 | 這是社會不能接受 |
| 00:08:40,000 | 00:08:42,000 | 因為我們在談有關於人民 |
| 00:08:42,000 | 00:08:44,000 | 權益的關係的時候 |
| 00:08:44,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 這社會觀感是一件事情 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:48,000 | 但是法是另外一件事情 |
| 00:08:48,000 | 00:08:50,000 | 第一個 |
| 00:08:50,000 | 00:08:52,000 | 你說偽造文書罪 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 這個其實包含 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:56,000 | 沈伯陽委員 |
| 00:08:56,000 | 00:08:58,000 | 後來在他的罪上面 |
| 00:08:58,000 | 00:09:00,000 | 他也有發文 |
| 00:09:00,000 | 00:09:02,000 | 也許他也不以為然 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:04,000 | 這件事情的行為他也不以為然 |
| 00:09:04,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 但是他也講了 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:08,000 | 一件事情其實就是 |
| 00:09:08,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 這個是法律的ABC |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:12,000 | 也就是說 |
| 00:09:12,000 | 00:09:14,000 | 偽造文書 |
| 00:09:14,000 | 00:09:16,000 | 第一個是冒充 |
| 00:09:16,000 | 00:09:18,000 | 第二個是逐生損害 |
| 00:09:18,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 而且呢 |
| 00:09:20,000 | 00:09:22,000 | 是要冒充到有 |
| 00:09:22,000 | 00:09:24,000 | 有誤信的可能 |
| 00:09:24,000 | 00:09:26,000 | 這我們在法條上都 |
| 00:09:26,000 | 00:09:28,000 | 很清楚 |
| 00:09:28,000 | 00:09:30,000 | 那這件事情他第一時間 |
| 00:09:30,000 | 00:09:32,000 | 就我是本篇筆 |
| 00:09:32,000 | 00:09:34,000 | 請問一下 |
| 00:09:34,000 | 00:09:36,000 | 我們用common sense |
| 00:09:36,000 | 00:09:38,000 | 有沒有任何 |
| 00:09:38,000 | 00:09:40,000 | 有沒有任何一位民眾 |
| 00:09:40,000 | 00:09:42,000 | 看到影片 |
| 00:09:42,000 | 00:09:44,000 | 會誤以為我們賴清德總統 |
| 00:09:44,000 | 00:09:46,000 | 是本篇筆 |
| 00:09:46,000 | 00:09:48,000 | 有沒有可能 |
| 00:09:48,000 | 00:09:50,000 | 委員這個案件目前 |
| 00:09:50,000 | 00:09:52,000 | 是不是牽涉到申委 |
| 00:09:52,000 | 00:09:54,000 | 演員已經在 |
| 00:09:54,000 | 00:09:56,000 | 爭吵當中 |
| 00:09:56,000 | 00:09:58,000 | 我們不會對這個 |
| 00:09:58,000 | 00:10:00,000 | 這樣的一個個案再去做 |
| 00:10:00,000 | 00:10:02,000 | 你是不是申委 |
| 00:10:02,000 | 00:10:04,000 | 你們自己都說 |
| 00:10:04,000 | 00:10:06,000 | 你們已經經過鑑定 |
| 00:10:06,000 | 00:10:08,000 | 你剛剛不是經過鑑定嗎 |
| 00:10:08,000 | 00:10:10,000 | 好來請教一下 |
| 00:10:10,000 | 00:10:12,000 | 後面這位是 |
| 00:10:12,000 | 00:10:14,000 | 請問一下你們是什麼時候 |
| 00:10:14,000 | 00:10:16,000 | 鑑定出來 |
| 00:10:16,000 | 00:10:18,000 | 他是申委 |
| 00:10:18,000 | 00:10:20,000 | 就是是用AI |
| 00:10:20,000 | 00:10:22,000 | 合成的聲音 |
| 00:10:22,000 | 00:10:24,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:10:24,000 | 00:10:26,000 | 在整個過程中我們遇到 |
| 00:10:26,000 | 00:10:28,000 | 我們接到這樣的檢舉 |
| 00:10:28,000 | 00:10:30,000 | 我們就會同步的了解 |
| 00:10:30,000 | 00:10:32,000 | 這個帳號的使用人到底是誰 |
| 00:10:32,000 | 00:10:34,000 | 然後也會做相關的鑑定 |
| 00:10:34,000 | 00:10:36,000 | 所以我們剛剛委員有 |
| 00:10:36,000 | 00:10:38,000 | 委員有追詢到我們 |
| 00:10:38,000 | 00:10:40,000 | 為什麼去找這個偉兄民眾的時候 |
| 00:10:40,000 | 00:10:42,000 | 那個時候我們要確定他 |
| 00:10:42,000 | 00:10:44,000 | 這個帳號是不是他使用 |
| 00:10:44,000 | 00:10:46,000 | 然後我們沒有做任何的強制處分 |
| 00:10:46,000 | 00:10:48,000 | 我們知道他 |
| 00:10:48,000 | 00:10:50,000 | 後來回電話給我們 |
| 00:10:50,000 | 00:10:52,000 | 回電話給我們之後 |
| 00:10:52,000 | 00:10:54,000 | 我們發現這個帳號是他使用 |
| 00:10:54,000 | 00:10:56,000 | 而且是一個團隊在製作的 |
| 00:10:56,000 | 00:10:58,000 | 那表示當下也都沒有 |
| 00:10:58,000 | 00:11:00,000 | 這個直接到案的必要 |
| 00:11:00,000 | 00:11:02,000 | 所以我們就說 |
| 00:11:02,000 | 00:11:04,000 | 沒關係後續我們就會 |
| 00:11:04,000 | 00:11:06,000 | 我們同步也在做這個是不是 |
| 00:11:06,000 | 00:11:08,000 | 申委的鑑定 |
| 00:11:08,000 | 00:11:10,000 | 好那請問一下你們所謂的 |
| 00:11:10,000 | 00:11:12,000 | 申委鑑定是什麼時候完成 |
| 00:11:12,000 | 00:11:14,000 | 也是當天的下午 |
| 00:11:14,000 | 00:11:16,000 | 25號下午 |
| 00:11:16,000 | 00:11:18,000 | 所以你們先上門 |
| 00:11:18,000 | 00:11:20,000 | 後完成鑑定 |
| 00:11:20,000 | 00:11:22,000 | 因為我們就要檢舉 |
| 00:11:22,000 | 00:11:24,000 | 所以你先 |
| 00:11:24,000 | 00:11:26,000 | 你在沒有完成鑑定之前 |
| 00:11:26,000 | 00:11:28,000 | 你就先上門 |
| 00:11:28,000 | 00:11:30,000 | 是這樣嗎 |
| 00:11:30,000 | 00:11:32,000 | 我們就是先了解說這個帳號的使用人 |
| 00:11:32,000 | 00:11:34,000 | 到底是真的假的 |
| 00:11:34,000 | 00:11:36,000 | 如果他表示說這個帳號不是他用的 |
| 00:11:36,000 | 00:11:38,000 | 我們調查的方向又不一樣 |
| 00:11:38,000 | 00:11:40,000 | 但是同步我們是做鑑定的 |
| 00:11:40,000 | 00:11:42,000 | 同步你們做鑑定 |
| 00:11:42,000 | 00:11:44,000 | 我要講就是說 |
| 00:11:44,000 | 00:11:46,000 | 一般的老百姓當你上門的時候 |
| 00:11:46,000 | 00:11:48,000 | 你只是問他這個帳號是不是你的而已 |
| 00:11:48,000 | 00:11:50,000 | 跟委員說 |
| 00:11:50,000 | 00:11:52,000 | 我們當時去找這位 |
| 00:11:52,000 | 00:11:54,000 | 委先生說我們是跟社區官員 |
| 00:11:54,000 | 00:11:56,000 | 你有沒有讓他下架嗎 |
| 00:11:56,000 | 00:11:58,000 | 我們沒有讓他下架 |
| 00:11:58,000 | 00:12:00,000 | 請主任帶我們去 |
| 00:12:00,000 | 00:12:02,000 | 讓他進到他的家門 |
| 00:12:02,000 | 00:12:04,000 | 你先不要答非所問 |
| 00:12:04,000 | 00:12:06,000 | 你們有沒有讓他下架這個影片 |
| 00:12:06,000 | 00:12:08,000 | 我們是說這個影片 |
| 00:12:08,000 | 00:12:10,000 | 有沒有嗎 |
| 00:12:10,000 | 00:12:12,000 | 我們同仁有建議 |
| 00:12:12,000 | 00:12:14,000 | 他是不是要調整或是下架 |
| 00:12:14,000 | 00:12:16,000 | 對嗎 |
| 00:12:16,000 | 00:12:18,000 | 第一個你是說你問他帳號是不是他的 |
| 00:12:18,000 | 00:12:20,000 | 然後事實上你先讓他下架 |
| 00:12:20,000 | 00:12:22,000 | 然後你又講說 |
| 00:12:22,000 | 00:12:24,000 | 事實上有沒有鑑定 |
| 00:12:24,000 | 00:12:26,000 | 是在你上門之後 |
| 00:12:26,000 | 00:12:28,000 | 才完成鑑定 |
| 00:12:28,000 | 00:12:30,000 | 那我想請問一下 |
| 00:12:30,000 | 00:12:32,000 | 你們完成鑑定的時間 |
| 00:12:32,000 | 00:12:34,000 | 幾個小時 |
| 00:12:34,000 | 00:12:36,000 | 我們現在時間 |
| 00:12:36,000 | 00:12:38,000 | 上面原則上是 |
| 00:12:38,000 | 00:12:40,000 | 最長會在四個小時 |
| 00:12:40,000 | 00:12:42,000 | 會完成 最長四個小時 |
| 00:12:42,000 | 00:12:44,000 | 但是現在的儀器都會很快 |
| 00:12:44,000 | 00:12:46,000 | 更快 那看我們影片的 |
| 00:12:46,000 | 00:12:48,000 | 長短不一 所以我這邊要講 |
| 00:12:48,000 | 00:12:50,000 | 就是你們現在 |
| 00:12:50,000 | 00:12:52,000 | 有關於是不是深圍鑑定 |
| 00:12:52,000 | 00:12:54,000 | 我們其實討論到很多深圍 |
| 00:12:54,000 | 00:12:56,000 | 就包含選舉的時候我們都討論 |
| 00:12:56,000 | 00:12:58,000 | 有沒有深圍的問題 |
| 00:12:58,000 | 00:13:00,000 | 深圍問題非常 我們真的是 |
| 00:13:00,000 | 00:13:02,000 | 非常重視 尤其比如說 |
| 00:13:02,000 | 00:13:04,000 | 你有性影像 所以我們要講說 |
| 00:13:04,000 | 00:13:06,000 | 你這種所謂的冒充 |
| 00:13:06,000 | 00:13:08,000 | 你會不會主義讓人家誤性 |
| 00:13:08,000 | 00:13:10,000 | 選舉的時候 |
| 00:13:10,000 | 00:13:12,000 | 或者是說有沒有 |
| 00:13:12,000 | 00:13:14,000 | 什麼性的影像 那是更不能接受 |
| 00:13:14,000 | 00:13:16,000 | 我們現在有很多 |
| 00:13:16,000 | 00:13:18,000 | 過去有很多也是 |
| 00:13:18,000 | 00:13:20,000 | 政治性的 包含鄭文蔡先生 |
| 00:13:20,000 | 00:13:22,000 | 他這個 |
| 00:13:22,000 | 00:13:24,000 | 有沒有在飯店私會女性 |
| 00:13:24,000 | 00:13:26,000 | 然後這個影片 |
| 00:13:26,000 | 00:13:28,000 | 鑑定超過一個月 |
| 00:13:28,000 | 00:13:30,000 | 那時候全部的人 |
| 00:13:30,000 | 00:13:32,000 | 通通在追 |
| 00:13:32,000 | 00:13:34,000 | 現在你說四個小時其實就可以完成 |
| 00:13:34,000 | 00:13:36,000 | 當時的羅志正委員 |
| 00:13:36,000 | 00:13:38,000 | 也是一樣 |
| 00:13:38,000 | 00:13:40,000 | 深陷這個有關於布崖影片 |
| 00:13:40,000 | 00:13:42,000 | 在瘋傳 大家也想知道 |
| 00:13:42,000 | 00:13:44,000 | 當時羅志正委員他在選舉 |
| 00:13:44,000 | 00:13:46,000 | 我們也很怕他被栽贓 |
| 00:13:46,000 | 00:13:48,000 | 被誤會 |
| 00:13:48,000 | 00:13:50,000 | 大家也都在追 |
| 00:13:50,000 | 00:13:52,000 | 那時候影片鑑定也是要搞 |
| 00:13:52,000 | 00:13:54,000 | 好很久 |
| 00:13:54,000 | 00:13:56,000 | 所以你們的影片 |
| 00:13:56,000 | 00:13:58,000 | 鑑定時間 |
| 00:13:58,000 | 00:14:00,000 | 是選擇性嗎 |
| 00:14:00,000 | 00:14:02,000 | 另外 |
| 00:14:02,000 | 00:14:04,000 | 我要特別講 |
| 00:14:04,000 | 00:14:08,000 | 我說其實一般老百姓 |
| 00:14:08,000 | 00:14:10,000 | 碰到警察 警察是 |
| 00:14:10,000 | 00:14:12,000 | 保護老百姓的 |
| 00:14:12,000 | 00:14:14,000 | 我個人我自己很有自信 |
| 00:14:14,000 | 00:14:16,000 | 我從當議員到現在我都 |
| 00:14:16,000 | 00:14:18,000 | 非常支持基層的警察 |
| 00:14:18,000 | 00:14:20,000 | 但是一般老百姓 |
| 00:14:20,000 | 00:14:22,000 | 碰到警察上門或警察傳訊 |
| 00:14:22,000 | 00:14:24,000 | 不說心生 |
| 00:14:24,000 | 00:14:26,000 | 畏懼恐懼 |
| 00:14:26,000 | 00:14:28,000 | 這是不可能的 |
| 00:14:28,000 | 00:14:30,000 | 那我們從這幾年 |
| 00:14:30,000 | 00:14:32,000 | 很多 過去影片 |
| 00:14:32,000 | 00:14:34,000 | 搞了這麼多法 這些法其實 |
| 00:14:34,000 | 00:14:36,000 | 來講我覺得都有問題 |
| 00:14:36,000 | 00:14:38,000 | 什麼 你今天什麼刑法妨害民意罪 |
| 00:14:38,000 | 00:14:40,000 | 老實說啦 賴總統就去告他 |
| 00:14:40,000 | 00:14:42,000 | 賴總統 |
| 00:14:42,000 | 00:14:44,000 | 就算我妨害我的民意 你就去告他 |
| 00:14:44,000 | 00:14:46,000 | 不用讓你們 |
| 00:14:46,000 | 00:14:48,000 | 大費周章 |
| 00:14:48,000 | 00:14:50,000 | 好 那我們一般老百姓 |
| 00:14:50,000 | 00:14:52,000 | 他在網路上說 |
| 00:14:52,000 | 00:14:54,000 | 陳菊還在嗎 |
| 00:14:54,000 | 00:14:56,000 | 四個小時不到就被傳訊 |
| 00:14:56,000 | 00:14:58,000 | 然後在 |
| 00:14:58,000 | 00:15:00,000 | 那時候這個超吃雞蛋的時候 |
| 00:15:00,000 | 00:15:02,000 | 民眾 |
| 00:15:02,000 | 00:15:04,000 | 他買到臭雞蛋 |
| 00:15:04,000 | 00:15:06,000 | 放在網路上說我買到臭雞蛋了 |
| 00:15:06,000 | 00:15:08,000 | 竟然被漏頁 |
| 00:15:08,000 | 00:15:10,000 | 徵訊 |
| 00:15:10,000 | 00:15:12,000 | 一般小老百姓 |
| 00:15:12,000 | 00:15:14,000 | 看到臭雞蛋在網路上 |
| 00:15:14,000 | 00:15:16,000 | 竟然也被漏頁 |
| 00:15:16,000 | 00:15:18,000 | 徵訊 |
| 00:15:18,000 | 00:15:20,000 | 那之前台大教授蘇宏達 |
| 00:15:20,000 | 00:15:22,000 | 他應該是 |
| 00:15:22,000 | 00:15:24,000 | 基本上他質疑這個 |
| 00:15:24,000 | 00:15:26,000 | 故宮博物院政策 |
| 00:15:26,000 | 00:15:28,000 | 也是一樣警察局約談 |
| 00:15:28,000 | 00:15:30,000 | 所以即便是一個台大教授 |
| 00:15:30,000 | 00:15:32,000 | 或一般的民眾 |
| 00:15:32,000 | 00:15:34,000 | 我要講的是 我支持 |
| 00:15:34,000 | 00:15:36,000 | 我們警察執法 |
| 00:15:36,000 | 00:15:38,000 | 但是你執法要符合所有 |
| 00:15:38,000 | 00:15:40,000 | 的法定的程序 |
| 00:15:40,000 | 00:15:42,000 | 這件事情你們上門關心 |
| 00:15:42,000 | 00:15:44,000 | 沒有告訴他你 |
| 00:15:44,000 | 00:15:46,000 | 違反了什麼法 |
| 00:15:46,000 | 00:15:48,000 | 另外其他也沒有 |
| 00:15:48,000 | 00:15:50,000 | 連傳喚通知書都沒有 |
| 00:15:50,000 | 00:15:52,000 | 那一個 |
| 00:15:52,000 | 00:15:54,000 | 老爸爸在家裡 |
| 00:15:54,000 | 00:15:56,000 | 嚇到要死 發生什麼事情了 |
| 00:15:56,000 | 00:15:58,000 | 然後怕兒子 |
| 00:15:58,000 | 00:16:00,000 | 發生什麼事情了 |
| 00:16:00,000 | 00:16:02,000 | 要被抓起來嗎 |
| 00:16:02,000 | 00:16:04,000 | 所以我們一直在講說 |
| 00:16:04,000 | 00:16:06,000 | 這些政治性的辦案 |
| 00:16:06,000 | 00:16:08,000 | 應該把它減少到最低 |
| 00:16:08,000 | 00:16:10,000 | 最低最低 |
| 00:16:10,000 | 00:16:12,000 | 可是我們一直在講說 |
| 00:16:12,000 | 00:16:14,000 | 台灣民主之可貴 |
| 00:16:14,000 | 00:16:16,000 | 是因為我們有法制 |
| 00:16:16,000 | 00:16:18,000 | 在後面做支撐 |
| 00:16:18,000 | 00:16:20,000 | 否則的話如果沒有法制的話 |
| 00:16:20,000 | 00:16:22,000 | 你們所有的執法 |
| 00:16:22,000 | 00:16:24,000 | 會被外界質疑 |
| 00:16:24,000 | 00:16:26,000 | 你們所有執法會被認為 |
| 00:16:26,000 | 00:16:28,000 | 違反行政中立 |
| 00:16:28,000 | 00:16:30,000 | 甚至覺得對特定人士的 |
| 00:16:30,000 | 00:16:32,000 | 打壓 |
| 00:16:32,000 | 00:16:34,000 | 我覺得這點很重要的 |
| 00:16:34,000 | 00:16:36,000 | 不要輕易 老實講我個人 |
| 00:16:36,000 | 00:16:38,000 | 對於我們很多 |
| 00:16:38,000 | 00:16:40,000 | 司法機關法院跟檢調 |
| 00:16:40,000 | 00:16:42,000 | 我都有很多的質疑 |
| 00:16:42,000 | 00:16:44,000 | 但是我一直都支持基層警察 |
| 00:16:44,000 | 00:16:46,000 | 可是今天 |
| 00:16:46,000 | 00:16:48,000 | 基層警察在你們的 |
| 00:16:48,000 | 00:16:50,000 | 在你們的這個 |
| 00:16:50,000 | 00:16:52,000 | 這個要求下 |
| 00:16:52,000 | 00:16:54,000 | 辦成這樣子 |
| 00:16:54,000 | 00:16:56,000 | 難道不該檢討嗎 |
| 00:16:56,000 | 00:16:58,000 | 那我請問一下 局長 |
| 00:16:58,000 | 00:17:00,000 | 所以刑事局 |
| 00:17:00,000 | 00:17:02,000 | 到他 |
| 00:17:02,000 | 00:17:04,000 | 去他家裡 |
| 00:17:04,000 | 00:17:06,000 | 去問他這些事情 |
| 00:17:06,000 | 00:17:08,000 | 你事先知道嗎 我剛忘了問你這件事 |
| 00:17:08,000 | 00:17:10,000 | 我們是同仁 |
| 00:17:10,000 | 00:17:12,000 | 後來跟我講說 |
| 00:17:12,000 | 00:17:14,000 | 我接到檢舉去的 |
| 00:17:14,000 | 00:17:16,000 | 他上門之前你知不知道 |
| 00:17:16,000 | 00:17:18,000 | 不知道 你也不知道 |
| 00:17:18,000 | 00:17:20,000 | 你們現在是全面推給下面 |
| 00:17:20,000 | 00:17:22,000 | 所以就是 |
| 00:17:22,000 | 00:17:24,000 | 這些基層警察雞婆了 |
| 00:17:24,000 | 00:17:26,000 | 我們案件進來我們會有輪值的大隊 |
| 00:17:26,000 | 00:17:28,000 | 他們案件進來他們 |
| 00:17:28,000 | 00:17:30,000 | 就會啟動他們的調查程序 |
| 00:17:30,000 | 00:17:32,000 | 所以程序上面 |
| 00:17:32,000 | 00:17:34,000 | 就會確定這個影片 |
| 00:17:34,000 | 00:17:36,000 | 他的帳號到底使用人是 |
| 00:17:36,000 | 00:17:38,000 | 真的還假的 |
| 00:17:38,000 | 00:17:40,000 | 如果是假的又要啟動另外的調查機制 |
| 00:17:40,000 | 00:17:42,000 | 這個帳號是不是 |
| 00:17:42,000 | 00:17:44,000 | 真的假的 |
| 00:17:44,000 | 00:17:46,000 | 還要跑到人家家裡去問 |
| 00:17:46,000 | 00:17:48,000 | 所以我們沒有去我們請地方的同仁去 |
| 00:17:48,000 | 00:17:50,000 | 那不是一樣嗎 |
| 00:17:50,000 | 00:17:52,000 | 那不是一樣嗎你刑事局去 |
| 00:17:52,000 | 00:17:54,000 | 跟地方的派出所去 |
| 00:17:54,000 | 00:17:56,000 | 對民眾來講 |
| 00:17:56,000 | 00:17:58,000 | 感受不是一樣嗎你講話真好笑 |
| 00:17:58,000 | 00:18:00,000 | 我知道委員關心的點 |
| 00:18:00,000 | 00:18:02,000 | 但是我們對於這個過程中 |
| 00:18:02,000 | 00:18:04,000 | 我們也請社區的主委 |
| 00:18:04,000 | 00:18:06,000 | 我們也請社區的主委帶我們去 |
| 00:18:06,000 | 00:18:08,000 | 在整個態度上面我們都是 |
| 00:18:08,000 | 00:18:10,000 | 我們沒有任何強制性 |
| 00:18:10,000 | 00:18:12,000 | 我們沒有任何強制性 |
| 00:18:12,000 | 00:18:14,000 | 那也沒有強迫他你這個影片一定要下來 |
| 00:18:14,000 | 00:18:16,000 | 你不是要求人家下架嗎 |
| 00:18:16,000 | 00:18:18,000 | 我們是跟他講說你要不要調整 |
| 00:18:18,000 | 00:18:20,000 | 你只是因為 |
| 00:18:20,000 | 00:18:22,000 | 那你誰要求下架 |
| 00:18:22,000 | 00:18:24,000 | 我們是建議他你要不要調整 |
| 00:18:24,000 | 00:18:26,000 | 或是下架 |
| 00:18:26,000 | 00:18:28,000 | 我們這麼好心 |
| 00:18:28,000 | 00:18:30,000 | 我們當時這個時間到 |
| 00:18:30,000 | 00:18:32,000 | 我們不要浪費太多時間 |
| 00:18:32,000 | 00:18:34,000 | 有多少這種 |
| 00:18:34,000 | 00:18:36,000 | 什麼製作我們各種各樣的 |
| 00:18:36,000 | 00:18:38,000 | 還在這個在招牌上的 |
| 00:18:38,000 | 00:18:40,000 | 在馬路上的 |
| 00:18:40,000 | 00:18:42,000 | 要娃娃的臉 |
| 00:18:42,000 | 00:18:44,000 | 然後讓我穿什麼軍服 |
| 00:18:44,000 | 00:18:46,000 | 這樣 |
| 00:18:46,000 | 00:18:48,000 | 我們要求下架 |
| 00:18:48,000 | 00:18:50,000 | 有嗎沒有人下架 |
| 00:18:50,000 | 00:18:52,000 | 大半年那個時候 |
| 00:18:52,000 | 00:18:54,000 | 大半年團體做什麼都是對的 |
| 00:18:54,000 | 00:18:56,000 | 結果這一般 |
| 00:18:56,000 | 00:18:58,000 | 的老百姓 |
| 00:18:58,000 | 00:19:00,000 | 就說你就趕快做 |
| 00:19:00,000 | 00:19:02,000 | 所以趕快把他下架 |
| 00:19:02,000 | 00:19:04,000 | 你們這樣的執法 |
| 00:19:04,000 | 00:19:06,000 | 我不希望台灣在 |
| 00:19:06,000 | 00:19:08,000 | 落後倒退到變成是一個警察國家 |
| 00:19:08,000 | 00:19:10,000 | 所以執法非常重要 |
| 00:19:10,000 | 00:19:12,000 | 執法我們支持 |
| 00:19:12,000 | 00:19:14,000 | 但是你一定要有法律上的依據 |
| 00:19:14,000 | 00:19:16,000 | 在這次這樣看起來 |
| 00:19:16,000 | 00:19:18,000 | 你們在第一線執法 |
| 00:19:18,000 | 00:19:20,000 | 就是有問題嘛 |
| 00:19:20,000 | 00:19:22,000 | 否則的話你們應該長官都說對 |
| 00:19:22,000 | 00:19:24,000 | 就是我我們全部都是依法來執行 |
| 00:19:24,000 | 00:19:26,000 | 現在你看你們全部都不是我 |
| 00:19:26,000 | 00:19:28,000 | 這也代表說 |
| 00:19:28,000 | 00:19:30,000 | 這樣的執法會引起 |
| 00:19:30,000 | 00:19:32,000 | 人民對司法的 |
| 00:19:32,000 | 00:19:34,000 | 信任好不好 |
| 00:19:34,000 | 00:19:36,000 | 這點非常非常重要 |
| 00:19:36,000 | 00:19:38,000 | 尤其是這種已經是滿滿的政治性的案件 |
| 00:19:38,000 | 00:19:40,000 | 好不好以上 |