| IVOD_ID |
170744 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170744 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-29T10:29:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-29T10:37:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/271ed4367c1fa4649a6ba5d7d6c34375512edcc96882cdd163df940a37f6647d080973923c6b5d8c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳琪銘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:29:20 - 10:37:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請大陸委員會主任委員、內政部部長、法務部、警政署、移民署、財團法人海峽交流基金會就「國人赴陸失聯情況及政府因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請內政部部長、警政署署長就「『萊爾校長』小編遭警突襲查水表事件，檢視警察執法標準與行政中立」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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我們都知道這幾年在中國大陸上一次陸委會召開記者會 |
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所有十幾個在中國私聯甚至有法官 |
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那本來這邊的資料從113年1月到115年就高達了400多人 |
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那證明說持續十年都在增加這是一個很嚴重的問題 |
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所以在這個部分尤其我們陸委會跟海綺會 |
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我們一定要說在兩岸這個問題為什麼會有那麼多私聯 |
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私聯的問題你要去解決這個問題 |
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你要說充分我們要賀指說去中國大陸有這個危險性 |
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你要所有私聯的是不是在面前都可以查得到 |
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它是什麼情形私聯讓我們國人知道 |
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讓我們國人有一種警惕你去到中國大陸就是有風險 |
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風險你要自己去承擔你要廣泛去讓國人知道 |
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我說這是未來我們要做的不要說給他受理一直執念一直增加 |
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那這不是好事是不是 |
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謝謝委員指導確實我們都想盡辦法要讓這個整個我們國人附陸的人身安全 |
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包括私聯的包括關押的或是被約談的人數要降下來 |
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但是他還是居高不下這是一種警訊是一種風險我們必須要告訴國人事實 |
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那另外一方面我們也希望對岸的執法單位或是當年跟我們一起處理共打的機制 |
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要能夠有作用那截至目前為止他選擇性的這個協助我們確實沒有辦法 |
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沒有辦法有效的把這些數字降下去我們凸顯以前在疫情之前2019年以前 |
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那時候我們的人身安全的風險沒那麼高 |
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所以您剛剛提到為什麼會這樣所以我們今天報告就有把他可能的風險的理由跟大家報告 |
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另外一方面他整個環境特別是他設立了很多相關的法律 |
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他開始對於台灣人過去開始有約談 |
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開始有用法律來可能制裁我們涉及違法的人 |
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那裡面如果有涉及到國安的基本上他是不通報的 |
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所以我們為什麼國安只有一人是兩岸共打裡面就是沒有通報國安 |
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那這些失聯的人有154岸我們現在還沒辦法去區別這裡面涉及有沒有到國安的人 |
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所以這個都必須要對岸跟我們一起合作 |
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他一方面鼓勵我們的人到中國大陸去旅遊去工作去生活 |
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二方面又製造了很多人身安全的風險 |
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所以我們必須要一方面提醒我們國人要注意風險 |
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那麼我們也希望對岸一定要來配合啟動過去對台灣的相關的機制 |
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來重視並保障台灣民眾附錄的人身安全的作用 |
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所以我們是比較疫情之前我們人身安全的案例沒有那麼多 |
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那麼這兩年來特別的多 |
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所以我們為什麼會每個月甚至現在每週提醒國人目的在這邊 |
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但是數字不是重點我們應該努力把數字壓低這兩岸都有責任 |
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那麼我們超支在己的部分我想我們跟海基會跟各部會都會通力合作 |
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一定會給每個有需要的國人包括他們的家屬 |
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我們要去提供各種的法律諮詢 |
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透過很多方法來降低或是減少他們家裡的困擾 |
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希望能夠找到人希望他們在大陸的親人能夠回到台灣來 |
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這個都是我們的目的我們的目的在降低這個數字 |
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好謝謝主委因為這個數字你看一年今年7月22日又增加了126個 |
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就是半年的時間所以這個數字真的很嚇人 |
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其實我們海基會也要扮演兩岸的連線 |
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因為你過去的共同打擊犯罪共打辦得不錯啊 |
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那你過去的這個成績你還是要再繼續來兩岸共打 |
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要怎樣來促進說兩岸的連線要怎樣來建立大家的互信 |
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這是一個非常重要 |
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尤其我們國人就是光這半年就到中國大陸旅遊 |
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又超過了200萬人那真的這次真的非常嚇人 |
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所以我們未來要怎樣來做先導甚至我們國人要過去我們幾個思念的案例 |
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都讓國人知道讓他們自己稍微警惕一下不要再造成那一邊 |
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又有問題又來怪我們中央政府沒有作為那這是非常不合理啊是不是 |
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是謝謝委員 |
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好那請我們海基會 |
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364 |
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感謝五委員關心第一個海基會和陸委會公布的數字案例都是真實的 |
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每件都是真實只是我們必須去識別化 |
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因為當事人通常他會害怕如果仍然家屬在那邊仍然在他們手上的時候 |
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他們都不希望被公開但是我們公布每個案例跟數字都真實的 |
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第一個第二個我們很明確的會告訴國人有哪些樣態是不要去的 |
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390 |
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比如剛才我講宗教的事情中國是沒有宗教自由的 |
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沒有宗教自由就不會有正常的宗教交流 |
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所以如果我們抱著在台灣所謂宗教交流的心情態度去的話就會碰到問題 |
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因為他沒有宗教自由所以在過去三個月我剛才講 |
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因為宗教案件被羈押的已經超過是過去的50%的成長率非常驚人 |
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過去兩年海基會跟陸委會內政部我們多方的告訴國人 |
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423 |
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通過管道跟一貫道總會也好團結也好跟他們說絕對不要去案件仍然發生 |
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428 |
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所以我們也期望透過委的官巡把這個訊息再讓國人知道 |
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不能去就不要去第二個去了要做一些萬全的準備 |
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441 |
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第一個對岸採取所有電子設備的監控可以隨時隨地沒收檢查 |
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444 |
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這個提升了他很高的風險 |
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444 |
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雖然國人赴中國大陸旅遊的人數非常多並不表示去你一定會有問題 |
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456 |
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但是去這個國家最大風險就是你不知道風險的標準在哪裡 |
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這個就是他的風險這個我們必須告訴國人如實的告訴國人 |
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465 |
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好的那謝謝我們副總事長我們都如實的告訴我們所有國人 |
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465 |
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473 |
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兩岸的觀光採用對等的方式不然你光是半年就兩百多萬人過去那邊觀光 |
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481 |
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那我照台灣來的人數那麼少都不能看我們還是要適度的觀光好不好好謝謝 |