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張宏陸 @ 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:01,300 | 同路委員發言質詢 |
| 00:00:11,700 | 00:00:13,500 | 我先請警政署長 |
| 00:00:20,200 | 00:00:21,800 | 喂 署長 |
| 00:00:22,600 | 00:00:23,900 | 我想請問一下 |
| 00:00:24,200 | 00:00:25,700 | 如果 |
| 00:00:26,500 | 00:00:29,900 | 如果有名人的聲音影像 |
| 00:00:30,100 | 00:00:31,600 | 被用到詐騙 |
| 00:00:32,100 | 00:00:33,400 | 你們要怎麼處理 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:36,300 | 那這個是一個 |
| 00:00:36,300 | 00:00:38,200 | 如果是一個詐騙的這個訊息 |
| 00:00:38,200 | 00:00:40,200 | 我們當然是會去做追查 |
| 00:00:40,200 | 00:00:44,300 | 是會做影片的這些下架 |
| 00:00:44,300 | 00:00:47,300 | 影片的下架 |
| 00:00:47,300 | 00:00:50,100 | 然後再去追查這個源頭 |
| 00:00:50,100 | 00:00:54,000 | 到底是不是用身為的這個狀況 |
| 00:00:54,000 | 00:00:55,600 | 來製造這個影片 |
| 00:00:55,600 | 00:00:56,900 | 好 那再來 |
| 00:00:56,900 | 00:00:59,100 | 如果言論自由 |
| 00:00:59,600 | 00:01:01,600 | 我在街上有人罵你 |
| 00:01:01,600 | 00:01:03,100 | 無緣無故罵你 |
| 00:01:03,100 | 00:01:05,099 | 這樣他有沒有言論自由 |
| 00:01:05,099 | 00:01:08,100 | 那罵的話是不是牽涉到 |
| 00:01:08,100 | 00:01:10,100 | 有侮辱、毀謗的行為 |
| 00:01:10,100 | 00:01:11,100 | 當然啊 |
| 00:01:11,100 | 00:01:12,100 | 如果有的話 |
| 00:01:12,100 | 00:01:13,100 | 如果當時有提告 |
| 00:01:13,100 | 00:01:14,600 | 這不是言論自由 |
| 00:01:14,600 | 00:01:16,100 | 言論自由也是要有法治的 |
| 00:01:16,100 | 00:01:17,100 | 不懂 我就說 |
| 00:01:17,100 | 00:01:19,100 | 有一個人在路上啊 |
| 00:01:19,100 | 00:01:20,100 | 看到你啊 |
| 00:01:20,100 | 00:01:22,100 | 就羞辱你啊 |
| 00:01:22,100 | 00:01:23,100 | 罵得很難聽 |
| 00:01:23,100 | 00:01:24,100 | 他可以來告啊 |
| 00:01:24,100 | 00:01:25,100 | 誰 |
| 00:01:25,100 | 00:01:26,600 | 被罵的人可以來報案啊 |
| 00:01:26,600 | 00:01:28,100 | 我說罵你啊 |
| 00:01:28,100 | 00:01:29,100 | 罵我 |
| 00:01:29,100 | 00:01:30,100 | 對啦 |
| 00:01:30,100 | 00:01:31,100 | 那我也可以去告 |
| 00:01:31,100 | 00:01:33,100 | 你認為他有言論自由嗎 |
| 00:01:33,100 | 00:01:34,100 | 我想如果被罵 |
| 00:01:34,100 | 00:01:36,100 | 如果是侮辱到我 |
| 00:01:36,100 | 00:01:38,100 | 牽涉到、毀謗、侮辱 |
| 00:01:38,100 | 00:01:39,100 | 我當然有權力可以告啊 |
| 00:01:39,100 | 00:01:41,100 | 對嘛 這就不算言論自由了 |
| 00:01:41,100 | 00:01:42,100 | 這不是言論自由 |
| 00:01:42,100 | 00:01:44,100 | 對不對 重點不是嘛 |
| 00:01:44,100 | 00:01:45,100 | 那所以啊 |
| 00:01:45,100 | 00:01:47,100 | 如果用AI生成或什麼的 |
| 00:01:47,100 | 00:01:51,100 | 貿易用人的影像或聲音 |
| 00:01:51,100 | 00:01:53,100 | 這有算言論自由嗎 |
| 00:01:53,100 | 00:01:56,100 | 那如果說是用身為的方式 |
| 00:01:56,100 | 00:01:57,100 | 是 |
| 00:01:57,100 | 00:01:58,100 | 當然啊 |
| 00:01:58,100 | 00:02:01,100 | 這個就是可能有牽涉到 |
| 00:02:01,100 | 00:02:02,100 | 刑法的這個 |
| 00:02:02,100 | 00:02:03,100 | 違照市民室的問題 |
| 00:02:03,100 | 00:02:04,100 | 沒有錯嘛 |
| 00:02:04,100 | 00:02:05,100 | 對 |
| 00:02:05,100 | 00:02:07,100 | 而且也有可能 |
| 00:02:07,100 | 00:02:10,100 | 變成商業犯罪或影用人投資什麼 |
| 00:02:10,100 | 00:02:11,100 | 很多的情況都有吧 |
| 00:02:11,100 | 00:02:12,100 | 都有可能 |
| 00:02:12,100 | 00:02:13,100 | 對不對 |
| 00:02:13,100 | 00:02:15,100 | 所以在我們法律的規定裡面 |
| 00:02:15,100 | 00:02:17,100 | 你沒有經過他們同意沒有什麼的話 |
| 00:02:17,100 | 00:02:19,100 | 其實這就構成犯罪了吧 |
| 00:02:19,100 | 00:02:20,100 | 是的 |
| 00:02:20,100 | 00:02:21,100 | 對不對 我說的 |
| 00:02:21,100 | 00:02:24,100 | 這樣子沒有經過當事人的同意或什麼的 |
| 00:02:24,100 | 00:02:25,100 | 這就構成犯罪了 |
| 00:02:25,100 | 00:02:27,100 | 因為這個如果說 |
| 00:02:27,100 | 00:02:29,100 | 身為偽造的這個 |
| 00:02:29,100 | 00:02:31,100 | 偽造市民室是屬於公訴的範圍 |
| 00:02:31,100 | 00:02:32,100 | 對嘛 |
| 00:02:32,100 | 00:02:34,100 | 所以啊很多事情 |
| 00:02:34,100 | 00:02:35,100 | 今天這個中央報 |
| 00:02:35,100 | 00:02:38,100 | 我覺得署長你這樣就回答得很清楚 |
| 00:02:38,100 | 00:02:40,100 | 這還有什麼好說的呢 |
| 00:02:40,100 | 00:02:42,100 | 台灣是一個法治的社會 |
| 00:02:42,100 | 00:02:43,100 | 我們不能這樣 |
| 00:02:43,100 | 00:02:46,100 | 如果以後這樣台灣會動盪不安 |
| 00:02:46,100 | 00:02:50,100 | 那我們也不用舉太多例子 |
| 00:02:50,100 | 00:02:52,100 | 很多名人 |
| 00:02:52,100 | 00:02:53,100 | 很多政商 |
| 00:02:53,100 | 00:02:54,100 | 很多重要的人 |
| 00:02:54,100 | 00:02:55,100 | 如果都這樣的話 |
| 00:02:55,100 | 00:03:00,100 | 你覺得台灣會有一個穩定的社會嗎 |
| 00:03:00,100 | 00:03:01,100 | 你們警察會不會 |
| 00:03:01,100 | 00:03:02,100 | 如果用身為的方式 |
| 00:03:02,100 | 00:03:05,100 | 會造成這些混淆 |
| 00:03:05,100 | 00:03:08,100 | 所以就是說這個部分可能要 |
| 00:03:08,100 | 00:03:11,100 | 未來也是會掌握去重視這個問題 |
| 00:03:11,100 | 00:03:13,100 | 好 謝謝 |
| 00:03:13,100 | 00:03:16,100 | 那我請這個陸委會主委 |
| 00:03:16,100 | 00:03:18,100 | 陸委會主委 |
| 00:03:23,100 | 00:03:25,100 | 張委員好 |
| 00:03:25,100 | 00:03:27,100 | 這個主委啊 |
| 00:03:27,100 | 00:03:29,100 | 這個啊 |
| 00:03:29,100 | 00:03:32,100 | 現在啊到底有多少人啊 |
| 00:03:32,100 | 00:03:34,100 | 在中國啊被無故留置 |
| 00:03:34,100 | 00:03:35,100 | 我看你們的報告啊 |
| 00:03:35,100 | 00:03:37,100 | 是四百多人 |
| 00:03:37,100 | 00:03:38,100 | 四百出 |
| 00:03:38,100 | 00:03:41,100 | 是這兩年加起來四百 |
| 00:03:41,100 | 00:03:42,100 | 對對對你們可以 |
| 00:03:42,100 | 00:03:45,100 | 我因為問實際上到底有多少 |
| 00:03:46,100 | 00:03:48,100 | 大概啦 |
| 00:03:48,100 | 00:03:52,100 | 是 我們在路方關押目前有216人 |
| 00:03:52,100 | 00:03:54,100 | 在關押的 |
| 00:03:54,100 | 00:03:55,100 | 在關押 |
| 00:03:55,100 | 00:03:58,100 | 那這樣失聯的我們還在陸續在找 |
| 00:03:58,100 | 00:04:00,100 | 但是在路方關押的 |
| 00:04:00,100 | 00:04:02,100 | 被他限制人身自由的 |
| 00:04:02,100 | 00:04:04,100 | 有216人 |
| 00:04:04,100 | 00:04:05,100 | 有216人 |
| 00:04:05,100 | 00:04:07,100 | 是在最近兩年嗎 |
| 00:04:07,100 | 00:04:08,100 | 還是從以前到現在 |
| 00:04:08,100 | 00:04:09,100 | 最近兩年 |
| 00:04:09,100 | 00:04:10,100 | 最近兩年 |
| 00:04:10,100 | 00:04:12,100 | 就216人 |
| 00:04:12,100 | 00:04:13,100 | 是是 |
| 00:04:13,100 | 00:04:16,100 | 如果沒有講很多人 |
| 00:04:16,100 | 00:04:18,100 | 台灣人還不知道有這麼多人 |
| 00:04:18,100 | 00:04:20,100 | 無故被關押吧 |
| 00:04:20,100 | 00:04:21,100 | 是 |
| 00:04:21,100 | 00:04:23,100 | 而且是這幾年 |
| 00:04:23,100 | 00:04:26,100 | 中國一直通過一些不合理的法令 |
| 00:04:26,100 | 00:04:29,100 | 然後長臂管轄什麼等等的 |
| 00:04:29,100 | 00:04:32,100 | 所以造成很多的台灣人 |
| 00:04:32,100 | 00:04:35,100 | 無故去那邊被抓起來了吧 |
| 00:04:35,100 | 00:04:36,100 | 是 |
| 00:04:36,100 | 00:04:39,100 | 當然委員所說的那個推論都是合理的 |
| 00:04:39,100 | 00:04:40,100 | 這是推論嗎 |
| 00:04:40,100 | 00:04:41,100 | 就是說 |
| 00:04:41,100 | 00:04:42,100 | 這不是事實 |
| 00:04:42,100 | 00:04:45,100 | 針對每個個案當然那個關聯性 |
| 00:04:45,100 | 00:04:47,100 | 但是整體趨勢那麼多 |
| 00:04:47,100 | 00:04:50,100 | 我們剛才也跟大家報告 |
| 00:04:50,100 | 00:04:53,100 | 每個月仍然有16到18件的 |
| 00:04:53,100 | 00:04:55,100 | 每個月會增加 |
| 00:04:55,100 | 00:04:57,100 | 這確實是蠻驚人的 |
| 00:04:57,100 | 00:04:58,100 | 那這裡面當然 |
| 00:04:58,100 | 00:05:00,100 | 到路方關押的比例是最多 |
| 00:05:00,100 | 00:05:03,100 | 那當然我們對於每個報案的人 |
| 00:05:03,100 | 00:05:05,100 | 比如說他家屬來報案 |
| 00:05:05,100 | 00:05:07,100 | 他親友來報案 |
| 00:05:07,100 | 00:05:09,100 | 我們都很想去協助他 |
| 00:05:09,100 | 00:05:11,100 | 再怎麼樣的因素 |
| 00:05:11,100 | 00:05:14,100 | 或是在中國大陸犯了什麼法 |
| 00:05:14,100 | 00:05:15,100 | 那這部分如果說 |
| 00:05:15,100 | 00:05:18,100 | 路方沒有相應的一個機制 |
| 00:05:18,100 | 00:05:19,100 | 跟我們通報的話 |
| 00:05:19,100 | 00:05:21,100 | 家屬都會不知道怎麼辦 |
| 00:05:21,100 | 00:05:23,100 | 所以我們關懷協助 |
| 00:05:23,100 | 00:05:25,100 | 給他很多的法律諮詢 |
| 00:05:25,100 | 00:05:27,100 | 讓他有一個方向 |
| 00:05:27,100 | 00:05:29,100 | 但最重要的我們還是透過 |
| 00:05:29,100 | 00:05:30,100 | 兩案相關的機制 |
| 00:05:30,100 | 00:05:32,100 | 能夠把人確定下來 |
| 00:05:32,100 | 00:05:34,100 | 確定的下落最重要 |
| 00:05:34,100 | 00:05:37,100 | 主委這個是後續的處理 |
| 00:05:37,100 | 00:05:40,100 | 那應該預防於先 |
| 00:05:40,100 | 00:05:41,100 | 是 |
| 00:05:41,100 | 00:05:45,100 | 中國現在用很多的方式 |
| 00:05:45,100 | 00:05:48,100 | 鼓勵台灣的人去或什麼的 |
| 00:05:48,100 | 00:05:49,100 | 你知道嗎 |
| 00:05:49,100 | 00:05:52,100 | 有很多是免費的旅行團 |
| 00:05:52,100 | 00:05:53,100 | 你們知道嗎 |
| 00:05:53,100 | 00:05:55,100 | 是 我們很清楚 |
| 00:05:55,100 | 00:05:57,100 | 因為我們剛才也報告就是說 |
| 00:05:57,100 | 00:05:59,100 | 中國大陸想盡辦法 |
| 00:05:59,100 | 00:06:02,100 | 一直招攬我們的國人過去 |
| 00:06:02,100 | 00:06:04,100 | 不管是低價旅遊 |
| 00:06:04,100 | 00:06:06,100 | 免費招待 落地招待 |
| 00:06:06,100 | 00:06:08,100 | 照著我們很多年輕朋友 |
| 00:06:08,100 | 00:06:10,100 | 很多的國人 |
| 00:06:10,100 | 00:06:13,100 | 我們的村民 里民 |
| 00:06:13,100 | 00:06:15,100 | 到中國大陸去旅遊 |
| 00:06:15,100 | 00:06:17,100 | 但是你卻沒有給他人身安全的 |
| 00:06:17,100 | 00:06:19,100 | 維護跟保護 |
| 00:06:19,100 | 00:06:23,100 | 那麼多的個案層出不窮 |
| 00:06:23,100 | 00:06:24,100 | 包括今天報告 |
| 00:06:24,100 | 00:06:28,100 | 婦婦失聯的案子仍然是那麼增加 |
| 00:06:28,100 | 00:06:30,100 | 顯示那邊確實是有風險 |
| 00:06:30,100 | 00:06:34,100 | 所以我們剛剛委員指導的是 |
| 00:06:34,100 | 00:06:36,100 | 我們應該防範於未來 |
| 00:06:36,100 | 00:06:38,100 | 應該要多做宣導 |
| 00:06:38,100 | 00:06:40,100 | 所以我們現在每個月 |
| 00:06:40,100 | 00:06:43,100 | 過去是每個月公布這些數字 |
| 00:06:43,100 | 00:06:45,100 | 我們為了提醒國人的注意 |
| 00:06:45,100 | 00:06:48,100 | 因為這個數字可以包裹一下 |
| 00:06:48,100 | 00:06:50,100 | 所以我們是每一週都來做宣導 |
| 00:06:50,100 | 00:06:54,100 | 主委 我覺得公布數字不痛不癢 |
| 00:06:54,100 | 00:06:56,100 | 也沒什麼 |
| 00:06:56,100 | 00:06:58,100 | 大家沒有感受 |
| 00:06:58,100 | 00:07:03,100 | 比如說我那時候就要求警政署 |
| 00:07:03,100 | 00:07:05,100 | 你每天在那邊反詐騙 |
| 00:07:05,100 | 00:07:07,100 | 誰不知道詐騙 |
| 00:07:07,100 | 00:07:09,100 | 但最新的詐騙形態是什麼 |
| 00:07:09,100 | 00:07:11,100 | 大家哪知道 |
| 00:07:11,100 | 00:07:13,100 | 後來要求他們要拍最新的 |
| 00:07:13,100 | 00:07:16,100 | 這種詐騙方式的宣導影片 |
| 00:07:16,100 | 00:07:17,100 | 他們現在就做了 |
| 00:07:17,100 | 00:07:18,100 | 大家一看就知道 |
| 00:07:18,100 | 00:07:20,100 | 我現在最新的是什麼 |
| 00:07:20,100 | 00:07:23,100 | 那你們為什麼不也這樣選 |
| 00:07:23,100 | 00:07:25,100 | 我們不用成本了 |
| 00:07:25,100 | 00:07:27,100 | 放在網路上就好了 |
| 00:07:27,100 | 00:07:28,100 | 大家就看得懂 |
| 00:07:28,100 | 00:07:31,100 | 這樣才知道我是屬於哪一種 |
| 00:07:32,100 | 00:07:34,100 | 不然他也不知道 |
| 00:07:34,100 | 00:07:36,100 | 我相信一般人不知道 |
| 00:07:36,100 | 00:07:38,100 | 而且我還要跟你講 |
| 00:07:38,100 | 00:07:41,100 | 他們現在要我們年輕人 |
| 00:07:41,100 | 00:07:43,100 | 要去中國 |
| 00:07:43,100 | 00:07:44,100 | 你知道嗎 |
| 00:07:44,100 | 00:07:45,100 | 我們台灣的年輕人 |
| 00:07:45,100 | 00:07:47,100 | 很多人在網路上可能講了一句話 |
| 00:07:47,100 | 00:07:48,100 | 我跟你講 |
| 00:07:48,100 | 00:07:51,100 | 過去那邊有沒有可能被抓起來 |
| 00:07:51,100 | 00:07:52,100 | 是 |
| 00:07:52,100 | 00:07:53,100 | 有沒有可能 |
| 00:07:53,100 | 00:07:54,100 | 都有可能 |
| 00:07:54,100 | 00:07:55,100 | 我們的年輕人 |
| 00:07:55,100 | 00:07:57,100 | 我們台灣是一面自由的國家 |
| 00:07:57,100 | 00:07:58,100 | 對不對 |
| 00:07:58,100 | 00:07:59,100 | 有可能在網路上講一個 |
| 00:07:59,100 | 00:08:00,100 | 他的法律那麼多 |
| 00:08:00,100 | 00:08:02,100 | 隨便都可能處罰 |
| 00:08:02,100 | 00:08:04,100 | 他要鼓勵我們台灣的年輕人 |
| 00:08:04,100 | 00:08:06,100 | 去那邊要積極統戰 |
| 00:08:06,100 | 00:08:08,100 | 我們的年輕人可能 |
| 00:08:08,100 | 00:08:10,100 | 很多人還不知道 |
| 00:08:10,100 | 00:08:13,100 | 這個年輕人如果過去 |
| 00:08:13,100 | 00:08:15,100 | 就被抓起來了 |
| 00:08:15,100 | 00:08:16,100 | 我的意思是說 |
| 00:08:16,100 | 00:08:18,100 | 要類似這一種的短片 |
| 00:08:18,100 | 00:08:19,100 | 讓大家知道 |
| 00:08:19,100 | 00:08:21,100 | 你去就有很高的風險 |
| 00:08:21,100 | 00:08:23,100 | 謝謝委員指導 |
| 00:08:23,100 | 00:08:27,100 | 我們也在Ruos這方面宣導工作 |
| 00:08:27,100 | 00:08:29,100 | 第一個要去識別化 |
| 00:08:29,100 | 00:08:32,100 | 但是就委員所說的那個樣態 |
| 00:08:32,100 | 00:08:35,100 | 我們去識別化把那個樣態呈現出來 |
| 00:08:35,100 | 00:08:36,100 | 用短影片 |
| 00:08:36,100 | 00:08:38,100 | 或是我們例行記者會 |
| 00:08:38,100 | 00:08:40,100 | 不斷的對外去宣導 |
| 00:08:40,100 | 00:08:42,100 | 這是我們目前努力的工作 |
| 00:08:42,100 | 00:08:43,100 | 好啦我覺得要這樣子 |
| 00:08:43,100 | 00:08:45,100 | 而且這短片不要發什麼 |
| 00:08:45,100 | 00:08:46,100 | 花多少錢 |
| 00:08:46,100 | 00:08:48,100 | 而且就放在網路上 |
| 00:08:48,100 | 00:08:49,100 | 你就讓大家知道 |
| 00:08:49,100 | 00:08:51,100 | 你是屬於哪些樣態的 |
| 00:08:51,100 | 00:08:52,100 | 就不能去啊 |
| 00:08:52,100 | 00:08:53,100 | 對不對 |
| 00:08:53,100 | 00:08:54,100 | 不然這個 |
| 00:08:54,100 | 00:08:56,100 | 他現在積極 |
| 00:08:56,100 | 00:08:58,100 | 要我們台灣的年輕人 |
| 00:08:58,100 | 00:08:59,100 | 台親一家 |
| 00:08:59,100 | 00:09:01,100 | 這個很多一堆 |
| 00:09:01,100 | 00:09:02,100 | 我很擔心 |
| 00:09:02,100 | 00:09:03,100 | 現在不只中介 |
| 00:09:03,100 | 00:09:04,100 | 不只一般人 |
| 00:09:04,100 | 00:09:06,100 | 那如果我們所有的年輕人去 |
| 00:09:06,100 | 00:09:07,100 | 我跟你講 |
| 00:09:07,100 | 00:09:09,100 | 這個台灣的年輕人 |
| 00:09:09,100 | 00:09:10,100 | 他把你抓起來 |
| 00:09:10,100 | 00:09:12,100 | 然後他搞不好 |
| 00:09:12,100 | 00:09:15,100 | 是一個我們台灣半導體 |
| 00:09:15,100 | 00:09:17,100 | 優秀的工程師 |
| 00:09:17,100 | 00:09:19,100 | 他如果這樣把你一直騙去 |
| 00:09:19,100 | 00:09:21,100 | 然後把你扣個幾千個人起來 |
| 00:09:21,100 | 00:09:24,100 | 那我們的半導體也怎麼辦 |
| 00:09:24,100 | 00:09:25,100 | 委員講的對 |
| 00:09:25,100 | 00:09:27,100 | 包括國台辦 |
| 00:09:27,100 | 00:09:29,100 | 最近透過中國台灣網 |
| 00:09:29,100 | 00:09:32,100 | 經營的這個台親一家 |
| 00:09:32,100 | 00:09:35,100 | 過去他經營或是招攬我們年輕人去 |
| 00:09:35,100 | 00:09:37,100 | 還有中間在地協議者 |
| 00:09:37,100 | 00:09:38,100 | 這是直接 |
| 00:09:38,100 | 00:09:40,100 | 甚至要我們年輕人 |
| 00:09:40,100 | 00:09:41,100 | 上傳各種履歷表 |
| 00:09:41,100 | 00:09:42,100 | 幫你找工作 |
| 00:09:42,100 | 00:09:43,100 | 幫你實習 |
| 00:09:43,100 | 00:09:46,100 | 你到選群校交流 |
| 00:09:46,100 | 00:09:47,100 | 直接把資訊 |
| 00:09:47,100 | 00:09:49,100 | 年輕朋友的資訊 |
| 00:09:49,100 | 00:09:50,100 | 直接給國台辦 |
| 00:09:50,100 | 00:09:52,100 | 這是非常嚴重的事情 |
| 00:09:52,100 | 00:09:55,100 | 所以我們現在跟會從相關部會 |
| 00:09:55,100 | 00:09:57,100 | 做必要的下架 |
| 00:09:57,100 | 00:09:59,100 | 或者是屏蔽 |
| 00:09:59,100 | 00:10:02,100 | 因為這個對我們年輕朋友 |
| 00:10:02,100 | 00:10:04,100 | 提供他們的個資 |
| 00:10:04,100 | 00:10:05,100 | 除了有風險之外 |
| 00:10:05,100 | 00:10:07,100 | 這也是對台灣的 |
| 00:10:07,100 | 00:10:10,100 | 所以請他直接對於我們主權 |
| 00:10:10,100 | 00:10:13,100 | 或者是我們政府的直接介入 |
| 00:10:13,100 | 00:10:16,100 | 那這個不僅是個人的問題 |
| 00:10:16,100 | 00:10:20,100 | 而且是對整個國家法律的一個傷害 |
| 00:10:20,100 | 00:10:22,100 | 我們會迎述一對 |
| 00:10:22,100 | 00:10:24,100 | 積極的來處理這個事 |
| 00:10:24,100 | 00:10:25,100 | 要積極 |
| 00:10:25,100 | 00:10:26,100 | 不是 |
| 00:10:26,100 | 00:10:29,100 | 我不認為中國是這麼簡單 |
| 00:10:29,100 | 00:10:32,100 | 台灣的他如果吸引我們這些 |
| 00:10:32,100 | 00:10:35,100 | 他就針對我們半導體業 |
| 00:10:35,100 | 00:10:36,100 | 然後我們資訊業 |
| 00:10:36,100 | 00:10:38,100 | 要畢業的學生要什麼 |
| 00:10:38,100 | 00:10:40,100 | 可能在那裡有可能你 |
| 00:10:40,100 | 00:10:41,100 | 你一定要威脅利誘 |
| 00:10:41,100 | 00:10:44,100 | 或是找個藉口把你給關起來 |
| 00:10:44,100 | 00:10:47,100 | 慢慢的大家不知道 |
| 00:10:47,100 | 00:10:48,100 | 如果全部都被抓 |
| 00:10:48,100 | 00:10:49,100 | 全部都被抓 |
| 00:10:49,100 | 00:10:51,100 | 這會影響台灣的競爭力 |
| 00:10:51,100 | 00:10:52,100 | 這個我覺得 |
| 00:10:52,100 | 00:10:54,100 | 它影響國安的層級 |
| 00:10:54,100 | 00:10:56,100 | 我覺得我們要積極宣導一下 |
| 00:10:56,100 | 00:10:58,100 | 讓年輕人知道 |
| 00:10:58,100 | 00:11:01,100 | 也涉及到每個年輕朋友的資安問題 |
| 00:11:01,100 | 00:11:04,100 | 還有上當到可能涉及到危害我們國安 |
| 00:11:04,100 | 00:11:06,100 | 謝謝 |