| IVOD_ID |
170739 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170739 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-29T09:26:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-29T09:39:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/271ed4367c1fa4647726ec29bfed476c512edcc96882cdd163df940a37f6647d7a48185b157db2555ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許忠信 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:26:54 - 09:39:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請大陸委員會主任委員、內政部部長、法務部、警政署、移民署、財團法人海峽交流基金會就「國人赴陸失聯情況及政府因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請內政部部長、警政署署長就「『萊爾校長』小編遭警突襲查水表事件，檢視警察執法標準與行政中立」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席 |
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主席 各位同仁 我們有請邱主委 |
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主委好 邱委員早 |
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26 |
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中華文化跟國防都是台灣的防衛 |
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37 |
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這是李總統設計國防部跟陸委會跟海基會軟硬監師保台的兩手策略 |
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40 |
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所以我今天要來跟主委報告 |
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這個兩手策略是怎麼樣來保台 |
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48 |
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有關於強硬部分 |
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51 |
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中國軍隊如果敢犯台 |
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54 |
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入領空擊落 |
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55 |
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57 |
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入領海擊沉 |
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60 |
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入領土擊斃 |
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61 |
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63 |
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絕對強硬一帶 |
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65 |
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這是強的部分 |
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67 |
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這是國防部的職責 |
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68 |
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71 |
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而陸委會跟海基會 |
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72 |
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76 |
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要負責軟性文化的交流 |
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76 |
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80 |
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促進兩岸人民的了解跟溝通 |
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81 |
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83 |
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尤其是文化的交流 |
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88 |
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我在這裡帶來跟各位講一個故事 |
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89 |
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93 |
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有關於京都的文化感人的故事 |
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93 |
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95 |
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有一個談話 |
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96 |
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103 |
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跟國會總統和陸委會總統在世界二戰時期 |
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104 |
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106 |
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當時我年輕的時候 |
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107 |
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109 |
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我來過京都 |
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110 |
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115 |
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我對日本文化和建築物的興趣 |
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116 |
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118 |
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所以請大家 |
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118 |
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120 |
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請把日本搶走 |
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121 |
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125 |
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這個故事是京都在二次大戰 |
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唯一沒有被封鎖的四大城市之一 |
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131 |
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133 |
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唯一沒有被封鎖的城市之一 |
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134 |
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138 |
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所以文化的力量非常的感人 |
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139 |
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141 |
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確實有很多人都覺得 |
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142 |
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147 |
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所以文化的力量非常的感人 |
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148 |
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150 |
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確實有大家講 |
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151 |
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156 |
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京都的文化是我們人類共同的遺產 |
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157 |
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159 |
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不應該加以摧毀 |
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160 |
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162 |
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所以我們來看看 |
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163 |
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166 |
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1665年陳永華來到台灣說服政經 |
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167 |
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169 |
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建立東寧國 |
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169 |
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171 |
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但是他仍然崇尚中華文化 |
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172 |
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175 |
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所以社孔廟立聖學 |
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176 |
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180 |
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因為永華知道中華文化的寶貴 |
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181 |
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187 |
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結果康熙37年1698年吳興作 |
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188 |
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190 |
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主委你知道吳興作是誰嗎 |
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191 |
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193 |
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我看不懂 |
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194 |
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198 |
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吳興作不是只有為古文官職做序而已 |
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199 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
201 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
吳興作是一個儒將 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
202 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
204 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
替清軍打下京下 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
205 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
208 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
使得政經跟陳永華必須退到台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
209 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
213 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
所以吳興作這個儒將陳永華這個儒將 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
214 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
216 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
兩個是對陣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
217 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
221 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
吳興作序古文官職 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
221 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
225 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
裡面222篇 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
226 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
228 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
上起東周 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
229 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
231 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
下去明末 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
232 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
235 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
你去跟他看沒有元代的文章 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
236 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
237 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
沒有元代的文章 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
238 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
240 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
所以當他看到這本古文官職 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
241 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
244 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
吳楚才吳大直編出來以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
245 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
247 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
整然遺惜 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
248 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
249 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
非常的高興 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
249 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
250 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
因為他知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
251 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
253 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
元代蒙古人的文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
254 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
255 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
不是華夏文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
256 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
259 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
而他在滿人的朝廷做官 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
260 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
263 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
他要維持中華文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
264 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
267 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
所以為古文官職來做序 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
268 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
270 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
而這本古文官職也後來全部 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
271 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
272 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
南瓜 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
273 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
274 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
有關於古文官職的 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
275 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
276 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
古文的繪編 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
276 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
279 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
所以我們就看到吳興作非常重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
280 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
283 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
中華文化跟陳永華一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
284 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
285 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
所以這兩個敵對的將軍 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
286 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
289 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
一樣的重視中華文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
290 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
294 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
文革十年以及之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
295 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
296 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
摧毀了中華文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
297 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
301 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
而中華文化好不容易的保持在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
302 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
305 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
我們故宮的國寶如果留在中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
306 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
308 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
絕對被毛澤東毀棄 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
309 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
314 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
所以文化的力量非常重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
315 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
322 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
我們台灣孔廟等保持非常傳統完整的儒家中華文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
323 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
328 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
所以主委您知道習近平要求他的解放軍的將領要攻台 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
329 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
334 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
有很多解放軍的將領不配合被免職 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
334 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
335 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
被免職 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
336 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
337 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
他的眼裡可在 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
338 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
339 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
一連串的肅親 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
340 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
344 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
很多解放軍的將領他們知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
345 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
349 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
禪語的中華文化最經典的保持在台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
350 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
353 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
他們配合習近平來攻台 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
354 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
357 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
所悔氣的是他們中華最珍貴的中華文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
358 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
359 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
所以不配合 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
361 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
362 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
而被免職 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
363 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
365 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
解放軍也有英明的將領 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
366 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
368 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
我們不要全部把它說他們的將領都是混蛋 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
369 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
371 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
他們也有英明的將領跟吳興作一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
372 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
376 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
他們這些將領跟吳興作一樣在滿人的朝廷做官 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
377 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
379 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
內心所思仍然是中華文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
380 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
381 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
跟陳永華一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
382 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
所以如果我們現在繼續這樣下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
387 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
392 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
各位我們知道張明清來台灣的時候去孔廟 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
393 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
395 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
在孔廟的榮樹下 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
396 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
397 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
有人讓他跌倒 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
399 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
400 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
如果是我 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
401 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
406 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
我會跟他介紹陳永華設孔廟的故事 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
408 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
409 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
陳永華 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
410 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
411 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
他跟政經這麼講 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
412 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
413 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
413 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
414 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
416 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
文王承擔百里而心 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
424 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
425 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
百里而望 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
428 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
文王七十里而心 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
430 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
台灣惡野數千里 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
433 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
435 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
遠濱海外 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
436 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
437 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
且民俗存 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
438 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
442 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
使國軍能舉賢以助理 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
444 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
十年生長 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
446 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
十年教養 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
448 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
十年生計 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
451 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
三十年宗主義 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
453 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
宗元相夾以 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
454 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
我會把這個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
456 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
459 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
這個古文背給張明清聽 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
460 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
463 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
然後講吳興作重視中華文化的故事 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
464 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
465 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
那時候叫華夏文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
466 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
468 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
我不會把它推倒 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
我們現在入客不來 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
470 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
471 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
我們不去 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
472 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
474 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
喪失了文化交流的機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
我們上入客來看中華文化在台灣保持的狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
481 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
讓我們的觀光客去告訴中國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
中華文化是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
484 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
跟民主自由法治融合的 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
487 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
不是互斥的 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
這是一個很珍貴的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
防衛台灣的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
494 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
軟性防衛 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
我們現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
497 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
思憐不覺醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
思憐不覺醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
504 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
我看到你們沒有多少覺醒到的成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
507 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
結果呢新聞卻是很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
510 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
這個會產生寒蟬效應 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
515 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
我們陸委會該揉鵝肛 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
鵝肛是你們講的不是我講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
524 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
好像吃了鵝肛 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
526 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
結果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
本末導致國防要強硬 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
結果陸委會比國防還強硬 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
536 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
538 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
捨近求遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
540 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
我們的副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
541 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
543 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
最近去越南考察回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
544 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
寫的報告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
548 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
說要在越南考察 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
549 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
555 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
追尋台越中智庫的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
557 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
請問主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
中智庫守衛者和 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
561 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
中智庫守衛者和 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
564 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
566 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
中國有智庫嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
567 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
謝謝許委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
570 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
您剛的質詢是不是允許我 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
用短短時間給你回覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
574 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
第一個您剛提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
兩岸正常健康有序 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
特別是文化的交流的重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
581 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
那我們沒有放棄 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
583 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
雖然中共對於我們各種複合性施壓那麼嚴峻 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
那我們始終仍然在推動健康有序 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
590 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
592 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
去統戰化的這些交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
我們現在仍然有很多的文化藝術表演 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
我們非常認同 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
598 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
601 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
過去傳統的古典的 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
中國大陸的文化在台灣都保存下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
我們在像古漢語的這些研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
我們遠遠超過中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
那這部分我們仍然在去除統戰化的因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
仍然在進行兩岸正常健康有序的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
619 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
620 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
我最懷疑的學德文的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
621 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
623 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
我的德文老師李福克下課的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
624 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
629 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
在看一本我看不懂的漢文的經典 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
634 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
甚至最灿難的最完美的文化是在金門 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
635 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
636 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
閩南建築文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
637 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
超越所有中國福建 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
639 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
所以攻打台灣是摧毀僅存的中華文化對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
641 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
643 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
第二個您剛有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
644 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
645 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
你說對不對嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
646 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
648 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
攻打台灣就是摧毀僅存的中華文化 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
649 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
652 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
古典的中華文化在台灣都落地生根 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
653 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
654 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
而且我們都保存得很好 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
655 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
658 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
攻打台灣就是摧毀古典的中華文化對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
659 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
660 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
對最精美的 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
661 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
663 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
那另外你剛才提到我們私聯部學學員這不是事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
664 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
665 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
我們公布就是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
666 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
668 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
其實我們希望那個數字能夠降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
669 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
670 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
因為沒辦法降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
671 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
672 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
我們都很揪心 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
673 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
674 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
我們都跟各部會合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
675 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
677 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
如何去關懷這個報案的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
678 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
679 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
協助報案的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
680 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
681 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
我們希望把他降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
682 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
683 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
我們也要跟對岸說 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
684 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
685 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
你們要發揮既有的相關的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
686 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
687 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
來確保我們國人的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
688 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
691 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
你不能說一直拉攏我們國人赴大陸去交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
692 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
693 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
然後對他的人事安全完全不顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
695 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
贊同 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
696 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
第二個最後要跟您報告就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
699 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
有關我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
700 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
701 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
省部主委去中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
702 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
703 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
去越南做參訪 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
704 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
709 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
因為越南很多智庫對於陸委會去那邊他們很重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
710 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
714 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
也希望如果我們到任何重要的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
715 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
717 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
如果有中國大陸的智庫會來交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
718 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
719 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
中國大陸有智庫嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
720 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
聯合國跟我交導一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
722 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
723 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
中國大陸哪一個是智庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
724 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
726 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
我想他有很多智庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
726 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
729 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
因為時間上的關係我可以去跟您報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
730 |
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732 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
目前我們交往的中國大陸相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
733 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
有社台智庫有國際關係的智庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
735 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
736 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
有各種 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
737 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
738 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
所以你的智庫定義比較廣 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
739 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
740 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
也是他們相關的機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
741 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
744 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
或是政府相關的這些研究機構 |
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745 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
746 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
那不是智庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
747 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
748 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
智庫的定義 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
749 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
750 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
我不想在這裡浪費時間 |
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751 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
752 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
跟我們西方的獨立智庫不一樣 |
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753 |
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754 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
754 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
755 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
謝謝主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
756 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
757 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
謝謝你 |
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許委員忠信 |
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2026-07-29T09:27:03+08:00 |
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2026-07-29T09:27:04.153846+08:00 |
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主席、各位同仁。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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2026-07-29T09:27:05.769231+08:00 |
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有請邱主委。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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2026-07-29T09:27:12+08:00 |
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主委好。 |
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邱主任委員垂正 |
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2026-07-29T09:27:12.571429+08:00 |
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2026-07-29T09:27:12.857143+08:00 |
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許委員早。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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2026-07-29T09:27:15+08:00 |
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2026-07-29T09:27:38.692308+08:00 |
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中華文化與國防都是臺灣的防衛，這是李總統設計國防部、陸委會及跟海基會，軟硬兼施保臺的兩手策略，所以我今天要跟主委報告這個兩手策略是怎麼樣來保臺。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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2026-07-29T09:27:40.285714+08:00 |
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2026-07-29T09:28:16.750000+08:00 |
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關於強硬的部分，中國軍隊如果敢犯臺，入領空擊落、入領海擊沉、入領土擊斃，絕對強硬以待，這是強的部分，是國防部的職責；而陸委會跟海基會要負責軟性文化的交流，促進兩岸人民的了解跟溝通，尤其是文化交流。 |
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許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-07-29T09:28:18+08:00 |
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2026-07-29T09:28:26.692308+08:00 |
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我在這裡要跟各位講一個故事，有關於京都的文化感人的故事。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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There was a conversation between premier Churchill and president Roosevelt in World War II.Churchill told Roosevelt：When I was young, I visited Kyoto and was so attracted by Japanese culture and Japanese buildings. So please, when you bombard Japan, please skip Kyoto.京都在二次大戰是沒有被轟炸的城市之一，所以文化的力量，非常感人。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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2026-07-29T09:29:23.666667+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-07-29T09:29:32.714286+08:00 |
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Churchill講京都文化是人類共同的遺產，不應該加以摧毀。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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2026-07-29T09:29:34.571429+08:00 |
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2026-07-29T09:29:53.692308+08:00 |
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我們來看，1665年陳永華到臺灣，說服鄭經建立東寧國，但是他仍然崇尚中華文化，所以設孔廟、立聖學，因為永華知道中華文化的寶貴。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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2026-07-29T09:29:55+08:00 |
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2026-07-29T09:30:03.818182+08:00 |
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結果康熙37年（1698年），主委，你知道吳興祚是誰嗎？ |
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許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-07-29T09:30:08+08:00 |
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2026-07-29T09:30:29.666667+08:00 |
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吳興祚不是只為「古文觀止」做序而已，吳興祚是一個儒將，替清軍打下金夏，使得鄭經跟陳永華必須退到臺灣，所以吳興祚這個儒將、陳永華這個儒將兩個是對陣的。 |
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許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-07-29T09:30:31+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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2026-07-29T09:30:50.857143+08:00 |
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吳興祚序「古文觀止」；裡面222篇上起東周下迄明末，你去看它沒有元代文章。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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2026-07-29T09:30:52+08:00 |
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2026-07-29T09:31:29.800000+08:00 |
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所以當他看到這本「古文觀止」，吳楚材叔姪兩人編出來以後，囅然以喜、非常高興，因為他知道元代蒙古人的文化不是華夏文化，而他在滿人的朝廷做官，他要維持中華文化，所以為「古文觀止」作序，這本「古文觀止」，後來也全部囊括有關於「古文觀止」的古文彙編。 |
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許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-07-29T09:31:30.428571+08:00 |
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2026-07-29T09:31:42.666667+08:00 |
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我們可以看到吳興祚非常重視中華文化，跟陳永華一樣，所以這兩個敵對的將軍一樣重視中華文化。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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2026-07-29T09:31:44+08:00 |
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2026-07-29T09:32:01.750000+08:00 |
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文革十年及之後摧毀了中華文化，而中華文化好不容易保存在臺灣，我們故宮的國寶如果留在中國，絕對被毛澤東毀棄。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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2026-07-29T09:32:03.909091+08:00 |
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2026-07-29T09:32:15.681818+08:00 |
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文化的力量非常重要，臺灣孔廟等保存非常傳統、完整的儒家中華文化。 |
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0.966 |
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許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-07-29T09:32:17+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-07-29T09:32:27.666667+08:00 |
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所以主委，您知道習近平要求他的解放軍將領要攻臺，有很多解放軍的將領不配合被免職，有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-07-29T09:32:27.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-07-29T09:32:32+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
其原因何在？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-07-29T09:32:32+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-07-29T09:32:32.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
是，一連串的肅清。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-07-29T09:32:34+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-07-29T09:32:55.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
沒錯，很多解放軍的將領，他們知道殘餘的中華文化最經典的保存在臺灣，他們配合習近平來攻臺，所毀棄的是他們中華最珍貴的中華文化，所以不予配合而被免職。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-07-29T09:32:57+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-07-29T09:33:04.866667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
解放軍也有英明的將領，我們不要全部說是他們的將領都是混蛋，他們也有英明的將領，跟吳興祚一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-07-29T09:33:06+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-07-29T09:33:14.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
他們這些將領跟吳興祚一樣，在滿人的朝廷做官，內心所繫的仍然是中華文化，跟陳永華一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-07-29T09:33:16+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-07-29T09:33:39.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
所以如果我們現在繼續這樣下去，各位，張銘清來臺灣的時候去孔廟，在孔廟的榕樹下，有人讓他跌倒，如果是我，我會跟他介紹陳永華設孔廟的故事。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-07-29T09:33:42+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-07-29T09:34:01.428571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
陳永華跟鄭經這麼講，成湯以百里而王、文王七十里而興。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.739 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-07-29T09:34:04+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-07-29T09:34:26.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
臺灣沃野數千里，遠濱海外，且其俗醇；使國君能舉賢以助理，則十年生長、十年教養、十年成聚，三十年真可與中原相甲乙。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.708 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-07-29T09:34:28+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-07-29T09:34:41.714286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
我會把這些古文背給張銘清聽，然後講吳興祚重視中華文化的故事，那時候叫華夏文化，我不會把他推倒。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-07-29T09:34:43.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-07-29T09:34:47.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
現在陸客不來，我們不去，喪失了文化交流的機會。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-07-29T09:34:49.631579+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-07-29T09:35:07.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
讓陸客來看中華文化在臺灣保存的狀態，讓我們的觀光客去告訴中國人，中華文化是可以跟民主、自由、法治融合的，不是互斥，這是一個很珍貴的交流、防衛臺灣的機制、軟性防衛。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-07-29T09:35:09+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-07-29T09:35:23.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
我們現在失聯不協尋，我看到你們沒有多少協尋到的成果，結果新聞卻是很大，這會產生寒蟬效應。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-07-29T09:35:25.888889+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-07-29T09:35:42.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
陸委會該柔而剛……威而鋼是你們講的，不是我講的，但陸委會好像吃了威而鋼，本末倒置。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-07-29T09:35:43.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-07-29T09:36:10.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
國防要強硬，結果陸委會比國防還強硬，捨近求遠，我們的副主委最近去越南考察回來，寫的報告裡面說要在越南考察，追尋臺、越、中智庫的交流，請問主委？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-07-29T09:36:10.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-07-29T09:36:12+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
是，謝謝許委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-07-29T09:36:12+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-07-29T09:36:13.428571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
中智庫所謂者何？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-07-29T09:36:15+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-07-29T09:36:16.428571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
中智庫所謂者何？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-07-29T09:36:18+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-07-29T09:36:18.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
是，謝謝…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-07-29T09:36:19+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-07-29T09:36:19.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
中國有智庫嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-07-29T09:36:21+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-07-29T09:36:25.777778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
謝謝許委員，您剛剛的質詢是不是允許我用短短的時間給你回復？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-07-29T09:36:27+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-07-29T09:36:57.866667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
第一個，你剛剛提到兩岸正常、健康、有序，特別是文化交流的重要，我們沒有放棄，雖然中共對於我們各種的複合性施壓那麼嚴峻，我們始終仍然在推動健康、有序、去統戰化的這些交流，我們現在仍然有很多的文化藝術表演，我們非常認同過去傳統的、古典的中國大陸的文化在臺灣都保存下來。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-07-29T09:36:57.866667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-07-29T09:36:59.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
中國文化最經典的…… |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-07-29T09:36:59.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-07-29T09:37:11.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
像古漢語這些研究，我們遠遠超過中國大陸，這部分我們仍然在去除統戰化的因素，仍然在進行兩岸這方面正常、健康、有序的交流。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-07-29T09:37:13+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-07-29T09:37:22.642857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
沒錯，我在臺大學德文的時候，我的德文老師李福克下課時在看一本我看不懂的漢文經典。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-07-29T09:37:24+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-07-29T09:37:31.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
是，甚至最燦爛、最完美的文化是在金門的閩南建築文化，超越所有中國福建…… |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-07-29T09:37:33+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-07-29T09:37:34.894737+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
是，所以攻打臺灣是摧毀僅存的中華文化，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-07-29T09:37:35+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-07-29T09:37:36.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
第二個，您剛剛有提到…… |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-07-29T09:37:38+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-07-29T09:37:38.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
你說對不對嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-07-29T09:37:40+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-07-29T09:37:41.866667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
攻打臺灣就是摧毀僅存的中華文化？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-07-29T09:37:43+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-07-29T09:37:47.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
古典的中華文化在臺灣都落地生根，而且我們都保存得很好。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-07-29T09:37:49+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-07-29T09:37:51.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
攻打臺灣就是摧毀古典的中華文化，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-07-29T09:37:53+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-07-29T09:37:53.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
對，最精美的。沒錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-07-29T09:37:55.095238+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-07-29T09:38:28.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
另外，你剛剛提到我們失聯不協尋，這不是事實，我們公布就是要……其實我們希望那個數字能夠降低，因為沒辦法降低，每一件我們都很揪心，我們都跟各部會合作，如何去關懷這些報案的人、協助報案的人，我們希望把它降低，我們也要跟對岸說，你們要發揮既有的這些相關機制來確保我們國人的安全，你不能一直拉攏我們國人赴大陸交流，卻對他的人身安全完全不顧。贊同。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.908 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-07-29T09:38:30+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-07-29T09:38:50.857143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
第二個，最後要跟您報告有關我們沈副主委去越南參訪，因為越南對於陸委會去那邊，他們很多智庫也很重視，也希望我們到任何重要的國家，如果有中國大陸的智庫會來交流…… |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-07-29T09:38:52+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-07-29T09:38:52.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
中國大陸有智庫嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-07-29T09:38:54.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-07-29T09:38:54.888889+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
主委，您能不能跟我教導一下？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.417 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-07-29T09:38:56+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-07-29T09:38:56.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
中國大陸是哪一個智庫？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-07-29T09:38:58+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-07-29T09:39:09.666667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
我想它有很多智庫，因為時間上關係，我可以去跟您報告目前我們交往的中國大陸相關有涉台智庫、有國際關係智庫、有各種南海…… |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-07-29T09:39:11+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-07-29T09:39:11.909091+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
所以你的智庫定義比較廣？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-07-29T09:39:13+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-07-29T09:39:17.769231+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
也是他們的相關機構或是政府相關的這些研究機構。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
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那不是智庫，有關智庫的定義，我不想在這裡浪費時間。 |
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邱主任委員垂正 |
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他跟我們西方的獨立智庫不一樣。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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你的智庫是廣義的。是，好。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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謝謝主委。 |
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邱主任委員垂正 |
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謝謝許委員，謝謝。 |
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主席 |
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下一位請蘇巧慧委員發言質詢。 |
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許委員忠信：（9時27分）主席、各位同仁。有請邱主委。主委好。 |
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邱主任委員垂正：許委員早。 |
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許委員忠信：中華文化與國防都是臺灣的防衛，這是李總統設計國防部、陸委會及跟海基會，軟硬兼施保臺的兩手策略，所以我今天要跟主委報告這個兩手策略是怎麼樣來保臺。關於強硬的部分，中國軍隊如果敢犯臺，入領空擊落、入領海擊沉、入領土擊斃，絕對強硬以待，這是強的部分，是國防部的職責；而陸委會跟海基會要負責軟性文化的交流，促進兩岸人民的了解跟溝通，尤其是文化交流。 |
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我在這裡要跟各位講一個故事，有關於京都的文化感人的故事。There was a conversation between premier Churchill and president Roosevelt in World War II.Churchill told Roosevelt：When I was young, I visited Kyoto and was so attracted by Japanese culture and Japanese buildings. So please, when you bombard Japan, please skip Kyoto.京都在二次大戰是沒有被轟炸的城市之一，所以文化的力量，非常感人。Churchill講京都文化是人類共同的遺產，不應該加以摧毀。 |
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我們來看，1665年陳永華到臺灣，說服鄭經建立東寧國，但是他仍然崇尚中華文化，所以設孔廟、立聖學，因為永華知道中華文化的寶貴。結果康熙37年（1698年），主委，你知道吳興祚是誰嗎？吳興祚不是只為「古文觀止」做序而已，吳興祚是一個儒將，替清軍打下金夏，使得鄭經跟陳永華必須退到臺灣，所以吳興祚這個儒將、陳永華這個儒將兩個是對陣的。吳興祚序「古文觀止」；裡面222篇上起東周下迄明末，你去看它沒有元代文章。所以當他看到這本「古文觀止」，吳楚材叔姪兩人編出來以後，囅然以喜、非常高興，因為他知道元代蒙古人的文化不是華夏文化，而他在滿人的朝廷做官，他要維持中華文化，所以為「古文觀止」作序，這本「古文觀止」，後來也全部囊括有關於「古文觀止」的古文彙編。我們可以看到吳興祚非常重視中華文化，跟陳永華一樣，所以這兩個敵對的將軍一樣重視中華文化。 |
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文革十年及之後摧毀了中華文化，而中華文化好不容易保存在臺灣，我們故宮的國寶如果留在中國，絕對被毛澤東毀棄。文化的力量非常重要，臺灣孔廟等保存非常傳統、完整的儒家中華文化。所以主委，您知道習近平要求他的解放軍將領要攻臺，有很多解放軍的將領不配合被免職，有沒有？其原因何在？ |
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邱主任委員垂正：是，一連串的肅清。 |
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許委員忠信：沒錯，很多解放軍的將領，他們知道殘餘的中華文化最經典的保存在臺灣，他們配合習近平來攻臺，所毀棄的是他們中華最珍貴的中華文化，所以不予配合而被免職。解放軍也有英明的將領，我們不要全部說是他們的將領都是混蛋，他們也有英明的將領，跟吳興祚一樣。他們這些將領跟吳興祚一樣，在滿人的朝廷做官，內心所繫的仍然是中華文化，跟陳永華一樣。所以如果我們現在繼續這樣下去，各位，張銘清來臺灣的時候去孔廟，在孔廟的榕樹下，有人讓他跌倒，如果是我，我會跟他介紹陳永華設孔廟的故事。陳永華跟鄭經這麼講，成湯以百里而王、文王七十里而興。臺灣沃野數千里，遠濱海外，且其俗醇；使國君能舉賢以助理，則十年生長、十年教養、十年成聚，三十年真可與中原相甲乙。我會把這些古文背給張銘清聽，然後講吳興祚重視中華文化的故事，那時候叫華夏文化，我不會把他推倒。 |
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現在陸客不來，我們不去，喪失了文化交流的機會。讓陸客來看中華文化在臺灣保存的狀態，讓我們的觀光客去告訴中國人，中華文化是可以跟民主、自由、法治融合的，不是互斥，這是一個很珍貴的交流、防衛臺灣的機制、軟性防衛。我們現在失聯不協尋，我看到你們沒有多少協尋到的成果，結果新聞卻是很大，這會產生寒蟬效應。陸委會該柔而剛……威而鋼是你們講的，不是我講的，但陸委會好像吃了威而鋼，本末倒置。國防要強硬，結果陸委會比國防還強硬，捨近求遠，我們的副主委最近去越南考察回來，寫的報告裡面說要在越南考察，追尋臺、越、中智庫的交流，請問主委？ |
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邱主任委員垂正：是，謝謝許委員。 |
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許委員忠信：中智庫所謂者何？中智庫所謂者何？ |
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邱主任委員垂正：是，謝謝…… |
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許委員忠信：中國有智庫嗎？ |
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邱主任委員垂正：謝謝許委員，您剛剛的質詢是不是允許我用短短的時間給你回復？ |
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許委員忠信：好。 |
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邱主任委員垂正：第一個，你剛剛提到兩岸正常、健康、有序，特別是文化交流的重要，我們沒有放棄，雖然中共對於我們各種的複合性施壓那麼嚴峻，我們始終仍然在推動健康、有序、去統戰化的這些交流，我們現在仍然有很多的文化藝術表演，我們非常認同過去傳統的、古典的中國大陸的文化在臺灣都保存下來。 |
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許委員忠信：中國文化最經典的…… |
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邱主任委員垂正：像古漢語這些研究，我們遠遠超過中國大陸，這部分我們仍然在去除統戰化的因素，仍然在進行兩岸這方面正常、健康、有序的交流。 |
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許委員忠信：沒錯，我在臺大學德文的時候，我的德文老師李福克下課時在看一本我看不懂的漢文經典。 |
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邱主任委員垂正：是，甚至最燦爛、最完美的文化是在金門的閩南建築文化，超越所有中國福建…… |
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許委員忠信：是，所以攻打臺灣是摧毀僅存的中華文化，對不對？ |
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邱主任委員垂正：第二個，您剛剛有提到…… |
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許委員忠信：你說對不對嘛？攻打臺灣就是摧毀僅存的中華文化？ |
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邱主任委員垂正：古典的中華文化在臺灣都落地生根，而且我們都保存得很好。 |
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許委員忠信：攻打臺灣就是摧毀古典的中華文化，對不對？ |
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邱主任委員垂正：對，最精美的。 |
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許委員忠信：沒錯。 |
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邱主任委員垂正：另外，你剛剛提到我們失聯不協尋，這不是事實，我們公布就是要……其實我們希望那個數字能夠降低，因為沒辦法降低，每一件我們都很揪心，我們都跟各部會合作，如何去關懷這些報案的人、協助報案的人，我們希望把它降低，我們也要跟對岸說，你們要發揮既有的這些相關機制來確保我們國人的安全，你不能一直拉攏我們國人赴大陸交流，卻對他的人身安全完全不顧。 |
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許委員忠信：贊同。 |
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邱主任委員垂正：第二個，最後要跟您報告有關我們沈副主委去越南參訪，因為越南對於陸委會去那邊，他們很多智庫也很重視，也希望我們到任何重要的國家，如果有中國大陸的智庫會來交流…… |
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許委員忠信：中國大陸有智庫嗎？主委，您能不能跟我教導一下？中國大陸是哪一個智庫？ |
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邱主任委員垂正：我想它有很多智庫，因為時間上關係，我可以去跟您報告目前我們交往的中國大陸相關有涉台智庫、有國際關係智庫、有各種南海…… |
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許委員忠信：所以你的智庫定義比較廣？ |
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邱主任委員垂正：也是他們的相關機構或是政府相關的這些研究機構。 |
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許委員忠信：那不是智庫，有關智庫的定義，我不想在這裡浪費時間。 |
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邱主任委員垂正：他跟我們西方的獨立智庫不一樣。 |
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許委員忠信：你的智庫是廣義的。 |
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邱主任委員垂正：是，好。 |
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許委員忠信：謝謝主委。 |
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邱主任委員垂正：謝謝許委員，謝謝。 |
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主席：下一位請蘇巧慧委員發言質詢。 |
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委員會-11-5-15-20 |
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廖先翔 |
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許忠信 |
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蘇巧慧 |
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張宏陸 |
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王美惠 |
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吳琪銘 |
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王鴻薇 |
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黃捷 |
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李坤城 |
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李柏毅 |
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許宇甄 |
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謝龍介 |
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葉元之 |
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翁曉玲 |
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徐欣瑩 |
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張智倫 |
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高金素梅 |
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吳宗憲 |
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林德福 |
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2026-07-29 |
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立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請大陸委員會主任委員、內政部部長、法務部、警政署、移民署、財團法人海峽交流基金
會就「國人赴陸失聯情況及政府因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢；二、邀請內政部部長、警
政署署長就「『萊爾校長』小編遭警突襲查水表事件，檢視警察執法標準與行政中立」進行專題
報告，並備質詢 |
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1156801_00010 |