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許忠信 @ 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:09,000 | 主席 |
| 00:00:09,000 | 00:00:12,000 | 主席 各位同仁 我們有請邱主委 |
| 00:00:18,000 | 00:00:19,000 | 主委好 邱委員早 |
| 00:00:21,000 | 00:00:26,000 | 中華文化跟國防都是台灣的防衛 |
| 00:00:27,000 | 00:00:37,000 | 這是李總統設計國防部跟陸委會跟海基會軟硬監師保台的兩手策略 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:40,000 | 所以我今天要來跟主委報告 |
| 00:00:41,000 | 00:00:45,000 | 這個兩手策略是怎麼樣來保台 |
| 00:00:46,000 | 00:00:48,000 | 有關於強硬部分 |
| 00:00:49,000 | 00:00:51,000 | 中國軍隊如果敢犯台 |
| 00:00:52,000 | 00:00:54,000 | 入領空擊落 |
| 00:00:55,000 | 00:00:57,000 | 入領海擊沉 |
| 00:00:58,000 | 00:01:00,000 | 入領土擊斃 |
| 00:01:01,000 | 00:01:03,000 | 絕對強硬一帶 |
| 00:01:04,000 | 00:01:05,000 | 這是強的部分 |
| 00:01:06,000 | 00:01:07,000 | 這是國防部的職責 |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:11,000 | 而陸委會跟海基會 |
| 00:01:12,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 要負責軟性文化的交流 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 促進兩岸人民的了解跟溝通 |
| 00:01:21,000 | 00:01:23,000 | 尤其是文化的交流 |
| 00:01:24,000 | 00:01:28,000 | 我在這裡帶來跟各位講一個故事 |
| 00:01:29,000 | 00:01:33,000 | 有關於京都的文化感人的故事 |
| 00:01:33,000 | 00:01:35,000 | 有一個談話 |
| 00:01:36,000 | 00:01:43,000 | 跟國會總統和陸委會總統在世界二戰時期 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:46,000 | 當時我年輕的時候 |
| 00:01:47,000 | 00:01:49,000 | 我來過京都 |
| 00:01:50,000 | 00:01:55,000 | 我對日本文化和建築物的興趣 |
| 00:01:56,000 | 00:01:58,000 | 所以請大家 |
| 00:01:58,000 | 00:02:00,000 | 請把日本搶走 |
| 00:02:01,000 | 00:02:05,000 | 這個故事是京都在二次大戰 |
| 00:02:06,000 | 00:02:10,000 | 唯一沒有被封鎖的四大城市之一 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:13,000 | 唯一沒有被封鎖的城市之一 |
| 00:02:14,000 | 00:02:18,000 | 所以文化的力量非常的感人 |
| 00:02:19,000 | 00:02:21,000 | 確實有很多人都覺得 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:27,000 | 所以文化的力量非常的感人 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:30,000 | 確實有大家講 |
| 00:02:31,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 京都的文化是我們人類共同的遺產 |
| 00:02:37,000 | 00:02:39,000 | 不應該加以摧毀 |
| 00:02:40,000 | 00:02:42,000 | 所以我們來看看 |
| 00:02:43,000 | 00:02:46,000 | 1665年陳永華來到台灣說服政經 |
| 00:02:47,000 | 00:02:49,000 | 建立東寧國 |
| 00:02:49,000 | 00:02:51,000 | 但是他仍然崇尚中華文化 |
| 00:02:52,000 | 00:02:55,000 | 所以社孔廟立聖學 |
| 00:02:56,000 | 00:03:00,000 | 因為永華知道中華文化的寶貴 |
| 00:03:01,000 | 00:03:07,000 | 結果康熙37年1698年吳興作 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 主委你知道吳興作是誰嗎 |
| 00:03:11,000 | 00:03:13,000 | 我看不懂 |
| 00:03:14,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 吳興作不是只有為古文官職做序而已 |
| 00:03:19,000 | 00:03:21,000 | 吳興作是一個儒將 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 替清軍打下京下 |
| 00:03:25,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 使得政經跟陳永華必須退到台灣 |
| 00:03:29,000 | 00:03:33,000 | 所以吳興作這個儒將陳永華這個儒將 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:36,000 | 兩個是對陣的 |
| 00:03:37,000 | 00:03:41,000 | 吳興作序古文官職 |
| 00:03:41,000 | 00:03:45,000 | 裡面222篇 |
| 00:03:46,000 | 00:03:48,000 | 上起東周 |
| 00:03:49,000 | 00:03:51,000 | 下去明末 |
| 00:03:52,000 | 00:03:55,000 | 你去跟他看沒有元代的文章 |
| 00:03:56,000 | 00:03:57,000 | 沒有元代的文章 |
| 00:03:58,000 | 00:04:00,000 | 所以當他看到這本古文官職 |
| 00:04:01,000 | 00:04:04,000 | 吳楚才吳大直編出來以後 |
| 00:04:05,000 | 00:04:07,000 | 整然遺惜 |
| 00:04:08,000 | 00:04:09,000 | 非常的高興 |
| 00:04:09,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 因為他知道 |
| 00:04:11,000 | 00:04:13,000 | 元代蒙古人的文化 |
| 00:04:14,000 | 00:04:15,000 | 不是華夏文化 |
| 00:04:16,000 | 00:04:19,000 | 而他在滿人的朝廷做官 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:23,000 | 他要維持中華文化 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:27,000 | 所以為古文官職來做序 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:30,000 | 而這本古文官職也後來全部 |
| 00:04:31,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 南瓜 |
| 00:04:33,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 有關於古文官職的 |
| 00:04:35,000 | 00:04:36,000 | 古文的繪編 |
| 00:04:36,000 | 00:04:39,000 | 所以我們就看到吳興作非常重視 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 中華文化跟陳永華一樣 |
| 00:04:44,000 | 00:04:45,000 | 所以這兩個敵對的將軍 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:49,000 | 一樣的重視中華文化 |
| 00:04:50,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 文革十年以及之後 |
| 00:04:55,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 摧毀了中華文化 |
| 00:04:57,000 | 00:05:01,000 | 而中華文化好不容易的保持在台灣 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:05,000 | 我們故宮的國寶如果留在中國 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:08,000 | 絕對被毛澤東毀棄 |
| 00:05:09,000 | 00:05:14,000 | 所以文化的力量非常重要 |
| 00:05:15,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 我們台灣孔廟等保持非常傳統完整的儒家中華文化 |
| 00:05:23,000 | 00:05:28,000 | 所以主委您知道習近平要求他的解放軍的將領要攻台 |
| 00:05:29,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 有很多解放軍的將領不配合被免職 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:35,000 | 被免職 |
| 00:05:36,000 | 00:05:37,000 | 他的眼裡可在 |
| 00:05:38,000 | 00:05:39,000 | 一連串的肅親 |
| 00:05:40,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 很多解放軍的將領他們知道 |
| 00:05:45,000 | 00:05:49,000 | 禪語的中華文化最經典的保持在台灣 |
| 00:05:50,000 | 00:05:53,000 | 他們配合習近平來攻台 |
| 00:05:54,000 | 00:05:57,000 | 所悔氣的是他們中華最珍貴的中華文化 |
| 00:05:58,000 | 00:05:59,000 | 所以不配合 |
| 00:06:01,000 | 00:06:02,000 | 而被免職 |
| 00:06:03,000 | 00:06:05,000 | 解放軍也有英明的將領 |
| 00:06:06,000 | 00:06:08,000 | 我們不要全部把它說他們的將領都是混蛋 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:11,000 | 他們也有英明的將領跟吳興作一樣 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:16,000 | 他們這些將領跟吳興作一樣在滿人的朝廷做官 |
| 00:06:17,000 | 00:06:19,000 | 內心所思仍然是中華文化 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:21,000 | 跟陳永華一樣 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:27,000 | 所以如果我們現在繼續這樣下去 |
| 00:06:27,000 | 00:06:32,000 | 各位我們知道張明清來台灣的時候去孔廟 |
| 00:06:33,000 | 00:06:35,000 | 在孔廟的榮樹下 |
| 00:06:36,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 有人讓他跌倒 |
| 00:06:39,000 | 00:06:40,000 | 如果是我 |
| 00:06:41,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 我會跟他介紹陳永華設孔廟的故事 |
| 00:06:48,000 | 00:06:49,000 | 陳永華 |
| 00:06:50,000 | 00:06:51,000 | 他跟政經這麼講 |
| 00:06:52,000 | 00:06:53,000 | 他說 |
| 00:06:53,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 他說 |
| 00:06:56,000 | 00:07:03,000 | 文王承擔百里而心 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:05,000 | 百里而望 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:08,000 | 文王七十里而心 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:12,000 | 台灣惡野數千里 |
| 00:07:13,000 | 00:07:15,000 | 遠濱海外 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:17,000 | 且民俗存 |
| 00:07:18,000 | 00:07:22,000 | 使國軍能舉賢以助理 |
| 00:07:23,000 | 00:07:24,000 | 十年生長 |
| 00:07:25,000 | 00:07:26,000 | 十年教養 |
| 00:07:27,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 十年生計 |
| 00:07:29,000 | 00:07:31,000 | 三十年宗主義 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:33,000 | 宗元相夾以 |
| 00:07:34,000 | 00:07:35,000 | 我會把這個字 |
| 00:07:36,000 | 00:07:39,000 | 這個古文背給張明清聽 |
| 00:07:40,000 | 00:07:43,000 | 然後講吳興作重視中華文化的故事 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:45,000 | 那時候叫華夏文化 |
| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:48,000 | 我不會把它推倒 |
| 00:07:49,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 我們現在入客不來 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:51,000 | 我們不去 |
| 00:07:52,000 | 00:07:54,000 | 喪失了文化交流的機會 |
| 00:07:55,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 我們上入客來看中華文化在台灣保持的狀態 |
| 00:07:59,000 | 00:08:01,000 | 讓我們的觀光客去告訴中國人 |
| 00:08:02,000 | 00:08:03,000 | 中華文化是可以 |
| 00:08:04,000 | 00:08:06,000 | 跟民主自由法治融合的 |
| 00:08:07,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 不是互斥的 |
| 00:08:09,000 | 00:08:10,000 | 這是一個很珍貴的交流 |
| 00:08:11,000 | 00:08:12,000 | 防衛台灣的機制 |
| 00:08:13,000 | 00:08:14,000 | 軟性防衛 |
| 00:08:15,000 | 00:08:16,000 | 我們現在 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:18,000 | 思憐不覺醒 |
| 00:08:18,000 | 00:08:19,000 | 思憐不覺醒 |
| 00:08:20,000 | 00:08:24,000 | 我看到你們沒有多少覺醒到的成果 |
| 00:08:25,000 | 00:08:27,000 | 結果呢新聞卻是很大 |
| 00:08:28,000 | 00:08:30,000 | 這個會產生寒蟬效應 |
| 00:08:31,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 我們陸委會該揉鵝肛 |
| 00:08:36,000 | 00:08:37,000 | 欸 |
| 00:08:39,000 | 00:08:41,000 | 鵝肛是你們講的不是我講的 |
| 00:08:42,000 | 00:08:44,000 | 好像吃了鵝肛 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:47,000 | 結果呢 |
| 00:08:48,000 | 00:08:51,000 | 本末導致國防要強硬 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:55,000 | 結果陸委會比國防還強硬 |
| 00:08:56,000 | 00:08:58,000 | 捨近求遠 |
| 00:08:59,000 | 00:09:00,000 | 我們的副主委 |
| 00:09:01,000 | 00:09:03,000 | 最近去越南考察回來 |
| 00:09:04,000 | 00:09:05,000 | 寫的報告裡面 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:08,000 | 說要在越南考察 |
| 00:09:09,000 | 00:09:15,000 | 追尋台越中智庫的交流 |
| 00:09:16,000 | 00:09:17,000 | 請問主委 |
| 00:09:18,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 中智庫守衛者和 |
| 00:09:21,000 | 00:09:23,000 | 中智庫守衛者和 |
| 00:09:24,000 | 00:09:25,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:09:25,000 | 00:09:26,000 | 中國有智庫嗎 |
| 00:09:27,000 | 00:09:28,000 | 謝謝許委員 |
| 00:09:29,000 | 00:09:30,000 | 您剛的質詢是不是允許我 |
| 00:09:31,000 | 00:09:32,000 | 用短短時間給你回覆 |
| 00:09:33,000 | 00:09:34,000 | 第一個您剛提到 |
| 00:09:35,000 | 00:09:37,000 | 兩岸正常健康有序 |
| 00:09:38,000 | 00:09:40,000 | 特別是文化的交流的重要 |
| 00:09:41,000 | 00:09:42,000 | 那我們沒有放棄 |
| 00:09:43,000 | 00:09:46,000 | 雖然中共對於我們各種複合性施壓那麼嚴峻 |
| 00:09:46,000 | 00:09:49,000 | 那我們始終仍然在推動健康有序 |
| 00:09:50,000 | 00:09:52,000 | 去統戰化的這些交流 |
| 00:09:53,000 | 00:09:55,000 | 我們現在仍然有很多的文化藝術表演 |
| 00:09:56,000 | 00:09:57,000 | 我們非常認同 |
| 00:09:58,000 | 00:10:01,000 | 過去傳統的古典的 |
| 00:10:02,000 | 00:10:04,000 | 中國大陸的文化在台灣都保存下來 |
| 00:10:05,000 | 00:10:08,000 | 我們在像古漢語的這些研究 |
| 00:10:09,000 | 00:10:10,000 | 我們遠遠超過中國大陸 |
| 00:10:11,000 | 00:10:14,000 | 那這部分我們仍然在去除統戰化的因素 |
| 00:10:14,000 | 00:10:18,000 | 仍然在進行兩岸正常健康有序的交流 |
| 00:10:19,000 | 00:10:20,000 | 我最懷疑的學德文的時候 |
| 00:10:21,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 我的德文老師李福克下課的時候 |
| 00:10:24,000 | 00:10:29,000 | 在看一本我看不懂的漢文的經典 |
| 00:10:30,000 | 00:10:34,000 | 甚至最灿難的最完美的文化是在金門 |
| 00:10:35,000 | 00:10:36,000 | 閩南建築文化 |
| 00:10:37,000 | 00:10:38,000 | 超越所有中國福建 |
| 00:10:39,000 | 00:10:41,000 | 所以攻打台灣是摧毀僅存的中華文化對不對 |
| 00:10:41,000 | 00:10:43,000 | 第二個您剛有提到 |
| 00:10:44,000 | 00:10:45,000 | 你說對不對嘛 |
| 00:10:46,000 | 00:10:48,000 | 攻打台灣就是摧毀僅存的中華文化 |
| 00:10:49,000 | 00:10:52,000 | 古典的中華文化在台灣都落地生根 |
| 00:10:53,000 | 00:10:54,000 | 而且我們都保存得很好 |
| 00:10:55,000 | 00:10:58,000 | 攻打台灣就是摧毀古典的中華文化對不對 |
| 00:10:59,000 | 00:11:00,000 | 對最精美的 |
| 00:11:01,000 | 00:11:03,000 | 那另外你剛才提到我們私聯部學學員這不是事實 |
| 00:11:04,000 | 00:11:05,000 | 我們公布就是要 |
| 00:11:06,000 | 00:11:08,000 | 其實我們希望那個數字能夠降低 |
| 00:11:09,000 | 00:11:10,000 | 因為沒辦法降低 |
| 00:11:11,000 | 00:11:12,000 | 我們都很揪心 |
| 00:11:13,000 | 00:11:14,000 | 我們都跟各部會合作 |
| 00:11:15,000 | 00:11:17,000 | 如何去關懷這個報案的人 |
| 00:11:18,000 | 00:11:19,000 | 協助報案的人 |
| 00:11:20,000 | 00:11:21,000 | 我們希望把他降低 |
| 00:11:22,000 | 00:11:23,000 | 我們也要跟對岸說 |
| 00:11:24,000 | 00:11:25,000 | 你們要發揮既有的相關的機制 |
| 00:11:26,000 | 00:11:27,000 | 來確保我們國人的安全 |
| 00:11:28,000 | 00:11:31,000 | 你不能說一直拉攏我們國人赴大陸去交流 |
| 00:11:32,000 | 00:11:33,000 | 然後對他的人事安全完全不顧 |
| 00:11:34,000 | 00:11:35,000 | 贊同 |
| 00:11:36,000 | 00:11:38,000 | 第二個最後要跟您報告就是 |
| 00:11:38,000 | 00:11:39,000 | 有關我們 |
| 00:11:40,000 | 00:11:41,000 | 省部主委去中國大陸 |
| 00:11:42,000 | 00:11:43,000 | 去越南做參訪 |
| 00:11:44,000 | 00:11:49,000 | 因為越南很多智庫對於陸委會去那邊他們很重視 |
| 00:11:50,000 | 00:11:54,000 | 也希望如果我們到任何重要的國家 |
| 00:11:55,000 | 00:11:57,000 | 如果有中國大陸的智庫會來交流 |
| 00:11:58,000 | 00:11:59,000 | 中國大陸有智庫嗎 |
| 00:12:00,000 | 00:12:01,000 | 聯合國跟我交導一下 |
| 00:12:02,000 | 00:12:03,000 | 中國大陸哪一個是智庫 |
| 00:12:04,000 | 00:12:06,000 | 我想他有很多智庫 |
| 00:12:06,000 | 00:12:09,000 | 因為時間上的關係我可以去跟您報告 |
| 00:12:10,000 | 00:12:12,000 | 目前我們交往的中國大陸相關 |
| 00:12:13,000 | 00:12:14,000 | 有社台智庫有國際關係的智庫 |
| 00:12:15,000 | 00:12:16,000 | 有各種 |
| 00:12:17,000 | 00:12:18,000 | 所以你的智庫定義比較廣 |
| 00:12:19,000 | 00:12:20,000 | 也是他們相關的機構 |
| 00:12:21,000 | 00:12:24,000 | 或是政府相關的這些研究機構 |
| 00:12:25,000 | 00:12:26,000 | 那不是智庫 |
| 00:12:27,000 | 00:12:28,000 | 智庫的定義 |
| 00:12:29,000 | 00:12:30,000 | 我不想在這裡浪費時間 |
| 00:12:31,000 | 00:12:32,000 | 跟我們西方的獨立智庫不一樣 |
| 00:12:33,000 | 00:12:34,000 | 是 |
| 00:12:34,000 | 00:12:35,000 | 謝謝主委 |
| 00:12:36,000 | 00:12:37,000 | 謝謝你 |