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李坤城 @ 第11屆第5會期財政委員會第24次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:01,000 | 主席 請選委員 |
| 00:00:10,000 | 00:00:13,000 | 謝謝主席 我們請莊部長 |
| 00:00:15,000 | 00:00:16,000 | 請莊部長 |
| 00:00:20,000 | 00:00:21,000 | 委員好 |
| 00:00:21,000 | 00:00:24,000 | 部長好 這個請教一下部長 |
| 00:00:24,000 | 00:00:27,000 | 在今年二月份的時候 |
| 00:00:27,000 | 00:00:31,000 | 行政院副院長曾立軍提到說 |
| 00:00:31,000 | 00:00:34,000 | 我們已經跟美方達成了 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:37,000 | 台美對等貿易協定 |
| 00:00:37,000 | 00:00:39,000 | 那時候也講了 |
| 00:00:39,000 | 00:00:43,000 | 未來美規車的部分 |
| 00:00:43,000 | 00:00:47,000 | 美規的小客車關稅會降到零 |
| 00:00:47,000 | 00:00:50,000 | 保留中小貨車為一定的關稅 |
| 00:00:50,000 | 00:00:52,000 | 以確保軍工韌性 |
| 00:00:52,000 | 00:00:54,000 | 所以在二月份的時候就提到了 |
| 00:00:54,000 | 00:00:58,000 | 未來美規的小客車關稅會降到零 |
| 00:00:58,000 | 00:01:00,000 | 可是他有提到 |
| 00:01:00,000 | 00:01:02,000 | 因為還要等到 |
| 00:01:02,000 | 00:01:06,000 | 美方完成301調查 |
| 00:01:06,000 | 00:01:09,000 | 因為後來對等關稅就有問題了 |
| 00:01:09,000 | 00:01:11,000 | 然後到五月份的時候 |
| 00:01:11,000 | 00:01:13,000 | 副院長又講到說 |
| 00:01:13,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 這個要等到美方完成301的調查 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:18,000 | 然後確定說 |
| 00:01:18,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 那時候講說大概七月底 |
| 00:01:20,000 | 00:01:24,000 | 台美的ART確定取得優惠待遇之後 |
| 00:01:24,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 連同MOU送國會審查 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:32,000 | 那時候美國進口汽車就零關稅 |
| 00:01:32,000 | 00:01:34,000 | 在ART生效後 |
| 00:01:34,000 | 00:01:36,000 | 配合相關的修法 |
| 00:01:36,000 | 00:01:38,000 | 就是我們今天講的海關稅則的法 |
| 00:01:38,000 | 00:01:41,000 | 相關的法也有可能會到零 |
| 00:01:41,000 | 00:01:43,000 | 這個是到七月底 |
| 00:01:43,000 | 00:01:46,000 | 前幾天就上個禮拜 |
| 00:01:46,000 | 00:01:48,000 | 這是7月24號 |
| 00:01:48,000 | 00:01:52,000 | 美國按照301條款 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 他也調查出來了 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:56,000 | 台灣是獲得10% |
| 00:01:56,000 | 00:01:59,000 | 而且不疊加MFN |
| 00:01:59,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 台灣享有豁免的清單 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:04,000 | 在這個豁免清單裡面 |
| 00:02:04,000 | 00:02:08,000 | 因為我們在他們調查當中 |
| 00:02:08,000 | 00:02:10,000 | 有拿到的10% |
| 00:02:10,000 | 00:02:14,000 | 而且不疊加MFN優惠的稅率 |
| 00:02:14,000 | 00:02:16,000 | 我們台灣的汽車零組件 |
| 00:02:16,000 | 00:02:18,000 | 工具機等這些傳統產業 |
| 00:02:18,000 | 00:02:21,000 | 這些稅率是比日本韓國都還要好 |
| 00:02:21,000 | 00:02:24,000 | 既然談判是這樣子 |
| 00:02:24,000 | 00:02:27,000 | 有給就有拿 |
| 00:02:27,000 | 00:02:32,000 | 所以我們拿到了10%的優惠匯率 |
| 00:02:32,000 | 00:02:35,000 | 在汽車零組件、工具機等等之類的 |
| 00:02:35,000 | 00:02:39,000 | 是不是我們也要有一個對等的承諾 |
| 00:02:39,000 | 00:02:43,000 | 至少在汽車零組件的部分的話 |
| 00:02:43,000 | 00:02:45,000 | 我們的關稅也要把它調成零 |
| 00:02:47,000 | 00:02:51,000 | 委員我想這個部分是不是我們分開來談 |
| 00:02:51,000 | 00:02:53,000 | 我們跟美方之間簽的ART |
| 00:02:53,000 | 00:02:57,000 | 是我們雙邊之間的談判的一個協定 |
| 00:02:57,000 | 00:03:01,000 | 當時的ART是在美方的所謂的一個 |
| 00:03:01,000 | 00:03:03,000 | 貿易法的一個法源下 |
| 00:03:03,000 | 00:03:05,000 | 這個就所謂的國際緊急經濟權利法 |
| 00:03:05,000 | 00:03:07,000 | 但是AIPA這個部分 |
| 00:03:07,000 | 00:03:09,000 | 在最高法院他們已經判定 |
| 00:03:09,000 | 00:03:11,000 | 不能做這個工具 |
| 00:03:11,000 | 00:03:13,000 | 所以後來就開始用122條款 |
| 00:03:13,000 | 00:03:15,000 | 課10%的稅 |
| 00:03:15,000 | 00:03:17,000 | 那12條款的臨時的課徵稅 |
| 00:03:17,000 | 00:03:19,000 | 在7月24號戒指以後 |
| 00:03:19,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 那接下來就是301調查出來了 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:25,000 | 也就是所謂的禁止強迫勞動產品進口 |
| 00:03:25,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 這個調查出來台灣是獲得了10%的稅率 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 而且不停加 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:32,000 | 汽車零組件嘛對不對 |
| 00:03:32,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 汽車零組件這個細項的部分 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:35,000 | 有沒有含汽車零組件 |
| 00:03:35,000 | 00:03:37,000 | 這是我們出口的部分 |
| 00:03:37,000 | 00:03:39,000 | 你說那個10% |
| 00:03:39,000 | 00:03:43,000 | 另外我們還有2000多項的產品的豁免 |
| 00:03:43,000 | 00:03:45,000 | 這個部分所謂的10% |
| 00:03:45,000 | 00:03:48,000 | 那是蘇美到美國去的一個關稅稅 |
| 00:03:48,000 | 00:03:51,000 | 有沒有10%的部分項目 |
| 00:03:51,000 | 00:03:53,000 | 經濟部 |
| 00:03:53,000 | 00:03:55,000 | 有沒有含 |
| 00:03:55,000 | 00:03:57,000 | 就是我們蘇美的這個部分汽車零組件 |
| 00:03:59,000 | 00:04:02,000 | 蘇美的汽車零組件是適用在232條款裡面 |
| 00:04:02,000 | 00:04:04,000 | 目前是15%不疊加 |
| 00:04:04,000 | 00:04:06,000 | 15%不疊加 |
| 00:04:06,000 | 00:04:08,000 | 那所以這個不是10% |
| 00:04:09,000 | 00:04:11,000 | 10%是 |
| 00:04:11,000 | 00:04:13,000 | 不是不在這個適用範圍內 |
| 00:04:13,000 | 00:04:15,000 | 所以我們目前還是15% |
| 00:04:15,000 | 00:04:17,000 | 對15%不疊加 |
| 00:04:17,000 | 00:04:19,000 | 不是10% |
| 00:04:19,000 | 00:04:23,000 | 所以這是10%裡面沒有含這個汽車零組件 |
| 00:04:23,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 沒有 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:26,000 | 我們汽車零組件還是維持在15% |
| 00:04:26,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 232條款以外的都不適用 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 那所以汽車零組件的關稅就是15%了 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:36,000 | 然後呢這個關稅15%還會再做任何的改變嗎 |
| 00:04:36,000 | 00:04:40,000 | 會跟這個美國的301的調查會有任何的改變嗎 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 我的理解應該就是在232的範疇內 |
| 00:04:43,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 好那其實那就更簡單啦 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:49,000 | 就是因為本來要等到這個301的調查 |
| 00:04:49,000 | 00:04:53,000 | 因為它有分是屬於禁止強迫勞動的部分 |
| 00:04:53,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 還有一個呢 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 另外一個還有這個 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:57,000 | 產能過剩 |
| 00:04:57,000 | 00:04:58,000 | 產能過剩 |
| 00:04:58,000 | 00:05:00,000 | 這兩個確定之後 |
| 00:05:00,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 我本以為說這兩個確定之後呢 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:07,000 | 最後才確定說我們蘇美這一個汽車零組件的這個關稅 |
| 00:05:07,000 | 00:05:09,000 | 是不是就是在這個10% |
| 00:05:09,000 | 00:05:13,000 | 結果現在就是用232的這個條款就是15%就對了 |
| 00:05:13,000 | 00:05:14,000 | 那更簡單啦 |
| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:15,000 | 那我請教部長 |
| 00:05:15,000 | 00:05:17,000 | 那所以確定這個 |
| 00:05:17,000 | 00:05:19,000 | 那這個就是拿到15% |
| 00:05:19,000 | 00:05:21,000 | 那拿到15%其實一樣啊 |
| 00:05:21,000 | 00:05:24,000 | 在臺灣就是說我們拿到15% |
| 00:05:24,000 | 00:05:26,000 | 那我們一樣相對的對等的 |
| 00:05:26,000 | 00:05:32,000 | 對等的我們要給這個這個美國進來的這一些汽車零組件 |
| 00:05:32,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 我們是不是也要相對 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:35,000 | 要把它減少 |
| 00:05:35,000 | 00:05:36,000 | 要降到零 |
| 00:05:36,000 | 00:05:39,000 | 對那當然這個最後就要到ART生效 |
| 00:05:39,000 | 00:05:41,000 | 因為還要先送立法院 |
| 00:05:41,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 對啊就是ART最後要送到連NWU都送到立法院嘛對不對 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:48,000 | 所以我們拿到15%輸到美國的 |
| 00:05:48,000 | 00:05:52,000 | 然後美國輸進來的汽車零組件最後也是到零嘛對不對 |
| 00:05:52,000 | 00:05:54,000 | 目前談判的結果是這樣子 |
| 00:05:54,000 | 00:05:56,000 | 對啊那所以 |
| 00:05:56,000 | 00:05:59,000 | 對啊那所以我們今天在談這個海關稅則 |
| 00:05:59,000 | 00:06:02,000 | 進口稅則這個最後有關汽車零組件 |
| 00:06:02,000 | 00:06:04,000 | 就是會到零了嘛 |
| 00:06:04,000 | 00:06:06,000 | 這個修的海關進口稅則 |
| 00:06:06,000 | 00:06:09,000 | 各位委員所提的版本是全面性的降 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 跟美國我們是雙邊的 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:14,000 | 是針對美國進口 |
| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:17,000 | 對我是說針對美國進口的這些零組件啊 |
| 00:06:17,000 | 00:06:18,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:06:18,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 最後會降到零了嘛 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:22,000 | 最後就是ART生效以後 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:25,000 | 我們隨同配合修正海關進口稅則 |
| 00:06:25,000 | 00:06:26,000 | 要這樣子 |
| 00:06:26,000 | 00:06:28,000 | 那今天這個委員所提的這個版本 |
| 00:06:28,000 | 00:06:30,000 | 並不是根據它出來的 |
| 00:06:30,000 | 00:06:31,000 | 我先不管委員的版本 |
| 00:06:31,000 | 00:06:35,000 | 我就是說我是說因為現在是台美在談判嘛 |
| 00:06:35,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 那我們跟他們談判是對等的 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:38,000 | 互惠的 |
| 00:06:38,000 | 00:06:40,000 | 那所以呢我們拿到15%過去 |
| 00:06:40,000 | 00:06:43,000 | 然後他們進來是零%就對了嘛 |
| 00:06:43,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 談判的那個目前ART的那一面的是這樣的結果 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:49,000 | 對啊所以這個有關汽車零組件最後 |
| 00:06:49,000 | 00:06:51,000 | 我講汽車零組件最後 |
| 00:06:51,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 如果ART、MOU你法院都同意了生效了 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:56,000 | 最後關稅就會降到零了嘛 |
| 00:06:56,000 | 00:06:58,000 | 那是指美國進口的 |
| 00:06:58,000 | 00:07:00,000 | 對是指美國進口的啦 |
| 00:07:00,000 | 00:07:02,000 | 因為我們現在是跟美國談嘛 |
| 00:07:02,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 我現在都講美國的啦 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 等下講到這個美國車關稅 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:08,000 | 要降到零我也是講美國車的啊 |
| 00:07:08,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 我也是講美國製造的車啊 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:13,000 | 好那這個有確定了嘛 |
| 00:07:13,000 | 00:07:15,000 | 那我接下來就問啊 |
| 00:07:15,000 | 00:07:18,000 | 那現在就是大家更關心就是美國車 |
| 00:07:18,000 | 00:07:22,000 | 美國車進來最後關稅是不是也降到零 |
| 00:07:23,000 | 00:07:25,000 | 在ART談判是這樣子 |
| 00:07:25,000 | 00:07:27,000 | 是對美國車對 |
| 00:07:27,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 小客車 |
| 00:07:28,000 | 00:07:31,000 | 只要是這個車子是在美國製造的 |
| 00:07:31,000 | 00:07:34,000 | 就算他是譬如說他是雙B好了 |
| 00:07:34,000 | 00:07:36,000 | 或是說日本比較高檔的車 |
| 00:07:36,000 | 00:07:38,000 | 他只要是在美國製造的 |
| 00:07:38,000 | 00:07:40,000 | 在美國製造的 |
| 00:07:40,000 | 00:07:43,000 | 這個賣到台灣來 |
| 00:07:43,000 | 00:07:45,000 | 他的關稅就是零嘛 |
| 00:07:45,000 | 00:07:47,000 | 17.5%的關稅就是變成零嘛 |
| 00:07:47,000 | 00:07:49,000 | 是美國製造對 |
| 00:07:49,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 這就確定嘛 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:53,000 | 那所以大家就在期待 |
| 00:07:53,000 | 00:07:55,000 | 或是在等待就是說 |
| 00:07:55,000 | 00:07:57,000 | 這個美國的進口車 |
| 00:07:57,000 | 00:08:00,000 | 賣到台灣的關稅到零 |
| 00:08:00,000 | 00:08:02,000 | 那就是確定的事情嘛對不對 |
| 00:08:02,000 | 00:08:04,000 | 對如果等到ART經過大院審議以後 |
| 00:08:04,000 | 00:08:06,000 | 就是確定了 |
| 00:08:06,000 | 00:08:09,000 | 那這個ART是現在已經算是 |
| 00:08:09,000 | 00:08:11,000 | 在行政的部分 |
| 00:08:11,000 | 00:08:13,000 | 作業的部分的話算是完成了嗎 |
| 00:08:13,000 | 00:08:15,000 | 還是還要再等美方 |
| 00:08:15,000 | 00:08:18,000 | 等美方因為他的做法源依據 |
| 00:08:18,000 | 00:08:20,000 | 因為他原來的那個REPA |
| 00:08:20,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 並不對最高法院接受 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:25,000 | 那所以要等美方什麼樣的 |
| 00:08:25,000 | 00:08:27,000 | 一個作業完成呢 |
| 00:08:27,000 | 00:08:29,000 | 美方完成這個法律的一個依據 |
| 00:08:29,000 | 00:08:31,000 | 法源依據 |
| 00:08:31,000 | 00:08:34,000 | 那我們有掌握大概是什麼時間嗎 |
| 00:08:34,000 | 00:08:37,000 | 這個目前行政院的OTN |
| 00:08:37,000 | 00:08:41,000 | 持續跟美國保持密切的一個溝通 |
| 00:08:41,000 | 00:08:43,000 | 跟暢通我想這個部分他們都 |
| 00:08:43,000 | 00:08:45,000 | 所掌握也會繼續的溝通 |
| 00:08:45,000 | 00:08:48,000 | 對那所以年底有可能 |
| 00:08:48,000 | 00:08:50,000 | 年底有可能談判完成嗎 |
| 00:08:50,000 | 00:08:52,000 | 這個部分在時程上 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 不是我方可以做確定的 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:56,000 | 是對啦那我就是說 |
| 00:08:56,000 | 00:08:58,000 | 那現在有遇到什麼樣的一個阻礙嗎 |
| 00:08:58,000 | 00:08:59,000 | 還是就是說 |
| 00:08:59,000 | 00:09:01,000 | 那反正就是談判需要花一點時間 |
| 00:09:01,000 | 00:09:04,000 | 這個是行政院OTN那邊 |
| 00:09:04,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 是在做處理的 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:08,000 | 那經濟部這邊有掌握到什麼訊息嗎 |
| 00:09:08,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 報告委員沒有我這邊沒有 |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:12,000 | 這邊也沒有 |
| 00:09:12,000 | 00:09:15,000 | 那所以呢現在我們要等這個 |
| 00:09:15,000 | 00:09:17,000 | 確定之後 |
| 00:09:17,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 送到行政院跟他們台灣之後 |
| 00:09:20,000 | 00:09:22,000 | 確定然後呢這個 |
| 00:09:22,000 | 00:09:24,000 | 最後再送到立法院 |
| 00:09:24,000 | 00:09:26,000 | 立法院同意之後 |
| 00:09:26,000 | 00:09:28,000 | 那汽車零組件是美國輸進來的 |
| 00:09:28,000 | 00:09:30,000 | 汽車零組件還有美國車 |
| 00:09:30,000 | 00:09:32,000 | 都是零嘛關稅都是零嘛 |
| 00:09:32,000 | 00:09:34,000 | 這是確定的事情 |
| 00:09:34,000 | 00:09:36,000 | 然後我們再跟著修海關進口稅者 |
| 00:09:36,000 | 00:09:39,000 | 那所以這個也不會受到這一個 |
| 00:09:39,000 | 00:09:41,000 | 這個美國的301調查 |
| 00:09:41,000 | 00:09:42,000 | 這個沒有影響就對了 |
| 00:09:42,000 | 00:09:44,000 | 最後就要看ART什麼時候 |
| 00:09:44,000 | 00:09:46,000 | 送進立法院通過 |
| 00:09:46,000 | 00:09:47,000 | 對所以說這部分 |
| 00:09:47,000 | 00:09:49,000 | 就跟這個美國的301調查 |
| 00:09:49,000 | 00:09:51,000 | 沒有關係就對了 |
| 00:09:51,000 | 00:09:52,000 | 我想ART的部分 |
| 00:09:52,000 | 00:09:55,000 | 剛剛談的還是就是他的法源依據的部分 |
| 00:09:55,000 | 00:09:57,000 | 還是美方還是在尋求一個 |
| 00:09:57,000 | 00:09:59,000 | 合適的法源依據 |
| 00:09:59,000 | 00:10:01,000 | 對那對所以我就問說 |
| 00:10:01,000 | 00:10:03,000 | 那跟這個美國的301的調查 |
| 00:10:03,000 | 00:10:04,000 | 有關係嗎 |
| 00:10:04,000 | 00:10:06,000 | 是不是有關聯我想OTN那邊 |
| 00:10:06,000 | 00:10:08,000 | 跟美方都會持續的他們在協商過程 |
| 00:10:08,000 | 00:10:10,000 | 不是這個也會影響 |
| 00:10:10,000 | 00:10:12,000 | 所以我就問說 |
| 00:10:12,000 | 00:10:14,000 | 那你們有沒有在乎說 |
| 00:10:14,000 | 00:10:15,000 | 到底這兩者有沒有關係 |
| 00:10:15,000 | 00:10:17,000 | 還是就脫鉤了汽車零組件 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:19,000 | 反正就適用232 |
| 00:10:19,000 | 00:10:21,000 | 然後這個跟301調查就沒有關係 |
| 00:10:21,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 我想在談判過程當中 |
| 00:10:23,000 | 00:10:24,000 | 也許都會提到 |
| 00:10:24,000 | 00:10:26,000 | 但是這個部分我們並不確定 |
| 00:10:26,000 | 00:10:28,000 | 因為是OTN在談判的 |
| 00:10:28,000 | 00:10:30,000 | 好那反正確定就是說 |
| 00:10:30,000 | 00:10:32,000 | 只要ART確定 |
| 00:10:32,000 | 00:10:34,000 | 之後送來立法院 |
| 00:10:34,000 | 00:10:37,000 | 那這一個美國輸到 |
| 00:10:37,000 | 00:10:39,000 | 台灣的這個汽車零組件 |
| 00:10:39,000 | 00:10:41,000 | 還有美國車美國製造的車 |
| 00:10:41,000 | 00:10:43,000 | 那關稅就是零嘛 |
| 00:10:43,000 | 00:10:45,000 | 這就是確定的事情 |
| 00:10:45,000 | 00:10:46,000 | 只是說不知道 |
| 00:10:46,000 | 00:10:47,000 | 不知道哪時候 |
| 00:10:47,000 | 00:10:49,000 | ART可以跟美國談完就對了 |
| 00:10:49,000 | 00:10:51,000 | 對反正依據確認以後 |
| 00:10:51,000 | 00:10:53,000 | 送大院審一通過 |
| 00:10:53,000 | 00:10:55,000 | 謝謝 |