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林岱樺 @ 第11屆第5會期財政委員會第24次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:07,000 | 好有請官務署署長彭英偉彭署長 |
| 00:00:07,000 | 00:00:09,000 | 彭署長 |
| 00:00:09,000 | 00:00:15,000 | 是委員好 |
| 00:00:15,000 | 00:00:20,000 | 好署長在將近三個月前我針對義志衛有第一次的質詢 |
| 00:00:20,000 | 00:00:24,000 | 今天我在進行第二次的質詢 |
| 00:00:24,000 | 00:00:29,000 | 那這個在這個義志衛當中 |
| 00:00:29,000 | 00:00:35,000 | 人民是不是有這個預先透過跨境網路 |
| 00:00:35,000 | 00:00:38,000 | 跨境這個採購的時候 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:40,000 | 網購的時候 |
| 00:00:40,000 | 00:00:44,000 | 那我們的義志衛能不能做到事先的告知 |
| 00:00:44,000 | 00:00:50,000 | 我買了這個東西是不是會觸及相關的 |
| 00:00:50,000 | 00:00:53,000 | 相關的這個簡易的法規 |
| 00:00:53,000 | 00:00:58,000 | 或者是相關衛福部當中的衛生的相關的法規 |
| 00:00:58,000 | 00:01:01,000 | 這個我希望能夠有一個事先知情 |
| 00:01:01,000 | 00:01:04,000 | 那我不知道你們現在有的進度如何 |
| 00:01:04,000 | 00:01:05,000 | 跟委員回報 |
| 00:01:05,000 | 00:01:06,000 | 上次委員質詢之後 |
| 00:01:06,000 | 00:01:08,000 | 我們官務署立即做兩件事情 |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:09,000 | 第一個 |
| 00:01:09,000 | 00:01:12,000 | 因為這個邊境管制上有些輸出規定 |
| 00:01:12,000 | 00:01:14,000 | 或者是說要許可的 |
| 00:01:14,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 這些都是屬於邊境 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:19,000 | 其他的一個輸出主管機關 |
| 00:01:19,000 | 00:01:21,000 | 我們所謂的簽審機關他的規定 |
| 00:01:21,000 | 00:01:23,000 | 我們立即跟這些機關聯繫 |
| 00:01:23,000 | 00:01:26,000 | 請他們照委員的意思說 |
| 00:01:26,000 | 00:01:30,000 | 需要提醒民眾的這些項目都跟我們講 |
| 00:01:30,000 | 00:01:31,000 | 第二件事情我們做了 |
| 00:01:31,000 | 00:01:33,000 | 就跟官方網路公司這邊來聯繫 |
| 00:01:33,000 | 00:01:35,000 | 就是說我們日後要改 |
| 00:01:35,000 | 00:01:37,000 | 依委員的這個指示 |
| 00:01:37,000 | 00:01:39,000 | 我們要提醒民眾就是說 |
| 00:01:39,000 | 00:01:42,000 | 你在買什麼上網買什麼東西的時候 |
| 00:01:42,000 | 00:01:43,000 | 需要有一個提示的功能 |
| 00:01:43,000 | 00:01:47,000 | 這邊目前兩院我們都已經在處理了 |
| 00:01:47,000 | 00:01:49,000 | 簽審機關那邊有回覆我們大概 |
| 00:01:49,000 | 00:01:52,000 | 兩百七十幾項的一個項目 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 那以後會提醒民眾 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:56,000 | 好來那你認為EASYWAY |
| 00:01:56,000 | 00:02:01,000 | 你們給這個官貿網路公司 |
| 00:02:01,000 | 00:02:06,000 | 到底EASYWAY這樣的通關便利程序 |
| 00:02:06,000 | 00:02:11,000 | 是不是屬於你財政部下的這個通關的程序 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:13,000 | 法定程序 |
| 00:02:13,000 | 00:02:15,000 | 跟委員回報就是說 |
| 00:02:15,000 | 00:02:18,000 | 我們的通關程序指的是說 |
| 00:02:18,000 | 00:02:20,000 | 跟海關遞送報單等等 |
| 00:02:20,000 | 00:02:25,000 | 跟這個民眾要不要委託報關行 |
| 00:02:25,000 | 00:02:27,000 | 去處理報關的事情 |
| 00:02:27,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 我們是一向認為說 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:33,000 | 就是說民眾跟報關行之間的一個委任關係 |
| 00:02:33,000 | 00:02:35,000 | 並不是我們的通關一個行為 |
| 00:02:35,000 | 00:02:40,000 | 好所以你認為EASYWAY這件事情對人民的收費 |
| 00:02:40,000 | 00:02:43,000 | 不管是對報關業者對承攬業者 |
| 00:02:43,000 | 00:02:47,000 | 以及他們這些業者轉嫁給我所有的消費者 |
| 00:02:47,000 | 00:02:49,000 | 這些都是民間的跟你沒有關 |
| 00:02:49,000 | 00:02:51,000 | 好那本席要質疑了 |
| 00:02:51,000 | 00:02:54,000 | 第一個你為了給EASYWAY這樣的通關便利 |
| 00:02:54,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 你今年二月的時候修改法令 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 讓他要求大家這個要做這個網路的這個網購的時候 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 一律要用這個EASYWAY |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 因為現在沒有按下EASYWAY委任確認 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 你的網購是不能進來的 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 誰民間哪一個這個資訊業者可以有這樣的權利 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 你政府給他一個附權 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:20,000 | 那第二個呢 |
| 00:03:20,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 你們這個API的借接這件事情 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:26,000 | 誰有能力可以有API的借接 |
| 00:03:26,000 | 00:03:29,000 | 你們給給關貿我公司 |
| 00:03:29,000 | 00:03:31,000 | 那你一般的民間的資訊公司可不可以 |
| 00:03:31,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 沒有你也沒給他這個權利 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:35,000 | 好所以呢 |
| 00:03:35,000 | 00:03:36,000 | 所以呢 |
| 00:03:36,000 | 00:03:40,000 | 既然我沒有按下我就不能通關 |
| 00:03:40,000 | 00:03:42,000 | 哇這知識體大 |
| 00:03:42,000 | 00:03:44,000 | 是你們授權給他 |
| 00:03:44,000 | 00:03:48,000 | 所以EASYWAY你還認定他是民間的 |
| 00:03:48,000 | 00:03:49,000 | 這我本席不能認同 |
| 00:03:49,000 | 00:03:52,000 | 好那就算那為什麼我不能認同的原因 |
| 00:03:52,000 | 00:03:55,000 | 因為他現在亂收費 |
| 00:03:55,000 | 00:03:57,000 | 他現在收了兩筆喔 |
| 00:03:57,000 | 00:04:00,000 | 雖然你說這都是不是消費者 |
| 00:04:00,000 | 00:04:03,000 | 可是你不管對報關業者成難業者 |
| 00:04:03,000 | 00:04:07,000 | 你現在全部轉嫁給這個我們的消費者喔 |
| 00:04:07,000 | 00:04:08,000 | 第一筆 |
| 00:04:08,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 我購了這個物品之後 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:12,000 | 我就必須有個確認費 |
| 00:04:12,000 | 00:04:15,000 | 每件就是3.5塊 |
| 00:04:15,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 你對於這個你是對報關行你也對這個成難業 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:21,000 | 不管你對這個業者 |
| 00:04:21,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 我們就俗稱這個這個這個報關的業者 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:26,000 | 3.5塊每一件3.5塊 |
| 00:04:26,000 | 00:04:29,000 | 所以呢這個就是轉嫁給我消費者 |
| 00:04:29,000 | 00:04:30,000 | 第二筆 |
| 00:04:30,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 現在的業者好你們也先溯源的確認 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:36,000 | 溯源的確認費 |
| 00:04:36,000 | 00:04:38,000 | 我們希望在你發貨的時候 |
| 00:04:38,000 | 00:04:40,000 | 你這些什麼亞馬遜啊 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:44,000 | 或者這些國外的這些網路平台 |
| 00:04:44,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 其實你們都已經跟光茂 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:48,000 | 光茂這個 |
| 00:04:48,000 | 00:04:50,000 | 光茂網路公司都已經接接了 |
| 00:04:50,000 | 00:04:51,000 | API接接了喔 |
| 00:04:51,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 所以呢你們這些報稅的業者 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 或者成難業者呢 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:57,000 | 你如果呢 |
| 00:04:57,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 要用這個這種溯源的這個服務費 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 你都要繳給我這個光茂公司 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:08,000 | 一個月2500 |
| 00:05:08,000 | 00:05:11,000 | 之外以後你要我確認的每一筆 |
| 00:05:11,000 | 00:05:14,000 | 我加收每一件0.8塊 |
| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:16,000 | 所以這是兩筆 |
| 00:05:16,000 | 00:05:18,000 | 一個叫做確認費 |
| 00:05:18,000 | 00:05:19,000 | 我買了這一部分之後 |
| 00:05:19,000 | 00:05:24,000 | 你要跟這些這個報稅的這相關的業者 |
| 00:05:24,000 | 00:05:26,000 | 要收一筆確認費 |
| 00:05:26,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 再來API的溯源的服務費 |
| 00:05:30,000 | 00:05:31,000 | 服務費又分兩筆 |
| 00:05:31,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 一個每個月給他給光茂公司2500 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:37,000 | 再來確認費你只要有經過你這邊服務的 |
| 00:05:37,000 | 00:05:40,000 | 再來加一筆0.8塊 |
| 00:05:40,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 哇然後這些全部都轉嫁給我所有消費者 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:46,000 | 你知道這量體多大嗎 |
| 00:05:46,000 | 00:05:47,000 | 署長你這應該知道 |
| 00:05:47,000 | 00:05:50,000 | 每一年你就用今天2026 |
| 00:05:50,000 | 00:05:52,000 | 你給我2025年 |
| 00:05:52,000 | 00:05:56,000 | 透過網購的報關的有多少件 |
| 00:05:58,000 | 00:06:02,000 | 目前快遞貨物檢疫報單是6000多萬件 |
| 00:06:02,000 | 00:06:06,000 | 那佔這個就是說民眾用EZ未來申報的 |
| 00:06:06,000 | 00:06:08,000 | 大概佔七成左右 |
| 00:06:08,000 | 00:06:11,000 | 6000你就6000 |
| 00:06:11,000 | 00:06:14,000 | 甚至你有高達到一年一億件的 |
| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:16,000 | 好所以幾乎 |
| 00:06:16,000 | 00:06:17,000 | 不管你6000萬 |
| 00:06:17,000 | 00:06:19,000 | 或是我了解的有到 |
| 00:06:19,000 | 00:06:21,000 | 甚至有高達到一億的這樣的一個紀錄 |
| 00:06:21,000 | 00:06:23,000 | 不管好就用6000萬就好 |
| 00:06:23,000 | 00:06:25,000 | 你知道這樣的轉嫁費用 |
| 00:06:25,000 | 00:06:29,000 | 剛才那一筆的轉嫁費用幾乎每一個業者 |
| 00:06:29,000 | 00:06:32,000 | 不管是報關或每一個業者 |
| 00:06:32,000 | 00:06:36,000 | 大概一個月都要送給光茂公司一台便子 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:39,000 | 那這些費用都是誰繳 |
| 00:06:39,000 | 00:06:40,000 | 都是這些業者繳 |
| 00:06:40,000 | 00:06:43,000 | 不是都是我所有的消費者繳 |
| 00:06:44,000 | 00:06:47,000 | 這樣你還認定光茂網路公司 |
| 00:06:47,000 | 00:06:50,000 | 他的EZ未來的業務 |
| 00:06:50,000 | 00:06:55,000 | 不是你官方法定的這個通關嗎 |
| 00:06:56,000 | 00:06:58,000 | 組長你還說不是嗎 |
| 00:06:58,000 | 00:07:01,000 | 這樣的費用可以他這樣亂收嗎 |
| 00:07:02,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 所以我這邊強力要求 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 把這個權利收回政府 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:08,000 | 正式的編預算 |
| 00:07:08,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 你憑什麼把你這個 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:12,000 | 這個通關的便利 |
| 00:07:12,000 | 00:07:14,000 | 因為科技進步嘛 |
| 00:07:14,000 | 00:07:16,000 | 你外包給光茂公司 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:18,000 | 然後光茂公司可以這樣的 |
| 00:07:18,000 | 00:07:21,000 | 我的費用我自己定 |
| 00:07:21,000 | 00:07:23,000 | 全部交換給我業者 |
| 00:07:23,000 | 00:07:25,000 | 你還用公權你還修法 |
| 00:07:25,000 | 00:07:27,000 | 你修的法可多了 |
| 00:07:27,000 | 00:07:29,000 | 你說過所有的通關信證 |
| 00:07:29,000 | 00:07:33,000 | 你修了海關的這個航運的 |
| 00:07:33,000 | 00:07:35,000 | 空運的兩個法的 |
| 00:07:35,000 | 00:07:38,000 | 這個快遞的相關的辦法 |
| 00:07:39,000 | 00:07:42,000 | 還有海關稅則相關你都修 |
| 00:07:42,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 這樣還不是公權力 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:47,000 | 所以組長你認不認同 |
| 00:07:48,000 | 00:07:49,000 | 跟委員回報 |
| 00:07:49,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 要不要檢討收回我官方自己做 |
| 00:07:53,000 | 00:07:55,000 | 你就算要委託給他 |
| 00:07:55,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 那也可以是在官方委託 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:08:00,000 | 我正式的跟他簽約 |
| 00:08:00,000 | 00:08:01,000 | 我正式的編預算 |
| 00:08:01,000 | 00:08:03,000 | 裡面的費用我當然要管 |
| 00:08:03,000 | 00:08:05,000 | 組長那麼認同 |
| 00:08:05,000 | 00:08:07,000 | 要不要改要不要檢討 |
| 00:08:07,000 | 00:08:09,000 | 有關於說這十多年來 |
| 00:08:09,000 | 00:08:11,000 | 這樣採取了一個制度 |
| 00:08:11,000 | 00:08:15,000 | 要改當然這是一個重大的政策的變更 |
| 00:08:15,000 | 00:08:17,000 | 如同剛剛委員提到 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:20,000 | 所以你看我如何編列預算等等 |
| 00:08:20,000 | 00:08:25,000 | 白白的多收了多繳了多少錢 |
| 00:08:25,000 | 00:08:27,000 | 十多年來我多繳了多少錢 |
| 00:08:27,000 | 00:08:30,000 | 給官報公司賺幣賺爆了 |
| 00:08:30,000 | 00:08:33,000 | 那我想那個官報公司提出的這些 |
| 00:08:33,000 | 00:08:36,000 | 一些服務以及加值的一個服務 |
| 00:08:36,000 | 00:08:38,000 | 這些收費當然官報公司 |
| 00:08:38,000 | 00:08:41,000 | 那邊都有付出相當的一個成本 |
| 00:08:41,000 | 00:08:43,000 | 的確如委員剛剛說的 |
| 00:08:43,000 | 00:08:44,000 | 目前有兩筆費用 |
| 00:08:44,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 一個是查詢的費用 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:48,000 | 一個是確認的費用 |
| 00:08:48,000 | 00:08:50,000 | 那我們都有找官報公司 |
| 00:08:50,000 | 00:08:52,000 | 以及相關的業者來做談 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 業者也提出這個問題 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:55,000 | 這個組長請你就檢討 |
| 00:08:55,000 | 00:08:58,000 | 我強力要求EZ會收為公有 |
| 00:08:58,000 | 00:09:01,000 | 那包括費用包括溯源 |
| 00:09:01,000 | 00:09:05,000 | 我在還沒有發貨前我訂了一個包裹 |
| 00:09:05,000 | 00:09:08,000 | 我在這個網路平台的時候 |
| 00:09:08,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 他要發貨之前我就先確認 |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:14,000 | 因為這個在API官報公司早就有了 |
| 00:09:14,000 | 00:09:18,000 | 只是你還把這個費用轉嫁給我們消費者 |
| 00:09:18,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 那多久能夠提出來 |
| 00:09:20,000 | 00:09:22,000 | 這也不是說官報唯一可以做的 |
| 00:09:22,000 | 00:09:24,000 | 只要是通關網路公司 |
| 00:09:24,000 | 00:09:28,000 | 提出將EZ會通關系統 |
| 00:09:28,000 | 00:09:31,000 | 回歸公共基礎建設 |
| 00:09:31,000 | 00:09:34,000 | 這樣的一個檢討 |
| 00:09:34,000 | 00:09:36,000 | 一個月內提供出來好嗎 |
| 00:09:36,000 | 00:09:38,000 | 跟委員報告這是重大政策 |
| 00:09:38,000 | 00:09:39,000 | 你要多久 |
| 00:09:39,000 | 00:09:40,000 | 當然重大政策 |
| 00:09:40,000 | 00:09:42,000 | 要不然我幹嘛站在這邊執行 |
| 00:09:42,000 | 00:09:44,000 | 我全台灣所有網購 |
| 00:09:44,000 | 00:09:46,000 | 你一個月六千萬件 |
| 00:09:46,000 | 00:09:48,000 | 六千萬 |
| 00:09:48,000 | 00:09:50,000 | 因為是重大政策的變更 |
| 00:09:50,000 | 00:09:52,000 | 所以給我們三個月的時間 |
| 00:09:52,000 | 00:09:53,000 | 好三個月 |
| 00:09:53,000 | 00:09:54,000 | 謝謝委員 |
| 00:09:54,000 | 00:09:55,000 | 那我再講一個案例 |
| 00:09:55,000 | 00:09:58,000 | 這紮紮實實在我的辦公室陳情的 |
| 00:09:58,000 | 00:10:01,000 | 因為他買了一個在網路上 |
| 00:10:01,000 | 00:10:04,000 | 我買了一個什麼這個 |
| 00:10:04,000 | 00:10:09,000 | 這個什麼洗牙的一個鑽石的一個零件 |
| 00:10:09,000 | 00:10:12,000 | 他本來要買這個洗牙機 |
| 00:10:12,000 | 00:10:13,000 | 結果按錯了 |
| 00:10:13,000 | 00:10:14,000 | 好沒有關係 |
| 00:10:14,000 | 00:10:15,000 | 報關進來之後 |
| 00:10:15,000 | 00:10:16,000 | 並沒有顯示 |
| 00:10:16,000 | 00:10:20,000 | 他會涉及這個相關的醫療器材法規 |
| 00:10:20,000 | 00:10:21,000 | 所以他進來了 |
| 00:10:21,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 然後這個媽媽呢 |
| 00:10:23,000 | 00:10:25,000 | 他就突然接到說 |
| 00:10:25,000 | 00:10:28,000 | 我這個違反醫療相關器材法規 |
| 00:10:28,000 | 00:10:32,000 | 所以他現在經過了快三個月 |
| 00:10:32,000 | 00:10:33,000 | 我剛才來的時候 |
| 00:10:33,000 | 00:10:34,000 | 我還跟他打個電話 |
| 00:10:34,000 | 00:10:35,000 | 講的話哭了 |
| 00:10:35,000 | 00:10:40,000 | 他說這個報關還跟他講得好嚴重 |
| 00:10:40,000 | 00:10:44,000 | 我才誤買了一個這個刷牙機 |
| 00:10:44,000 | 00:10:47,000 | 誤買成什麼鑽石的什麼的 |
| 00:10:47,000 | 00:10:49,000 | 鑽石這個零件的配件就對了 |
| 00:10:49,000 | 00:10:54,000 | 我竟然要被罰六萬到一百萬以下 |
| 00:10:54,000 | 00:10:56,000 | 他才花多少錢八千塊 |
| 00:10:56,000 | 00:10:58,000 | 然後還跟他講說你這個 |
| 00:10:58,000 | 00:10:59,000 | 因為違反 |
| 00:10:59,000 | 00:11:02,000 | 你沒有拿出你的醫療器材的許可證 |
| 00:11:02,000 | 00:11:04,000 | 所以你會有減掉 |
| 00:11:04,000 | 00:11:06,000 | 可能還有刑罰 |
| 00:11:06,000 | 00:11:08,000 | 他整個人都快崩潰了 |
| 00:11:08,000 | 00:11:12,000 | 所以你那種法規的那種預知 |
| 00:11:12,000 | 00:11:15,000 | 包括這個收費的轉嫁給我民眾 |
| 00:11:15,000 | 00:11:16,000 | 是極端不合理 |
| 00:11:16,000 | 00:11:18,000 | 好三個月希望能夠 |
| 00:11:18,000 | 00:11:20,000 | 希望能夠做一個調整 |
| 00:11:20,000 | 00:11:21,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:11:21,000 | 00:11:22,000 | 好謝謝我們 |