| IVOD_ID |
170696 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170696 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
公聽會-2026071639 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
舉行「勞退新舊制相關修法」公聽會 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
公聽會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會公聽會（事由：舉行「勞退新舊制相關修法」公聽會） |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-23T10:29:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-23T10:35:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:05:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
林沛祥 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:29:55 - 10:35:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會公聽會（事由：舉行「勞退新舊制相關修法」公聽會） |
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好 謝謝主席 |
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各位與會先進 |
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12.04 |
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各位勞工代表 各位專家學者還有行政機關的代表 |
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跟所有關心勞工權益的好朋友大家好 |
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今天非常非常感謝有這個機會代表黨團來共同討論 |
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勞工退休金條例的修法 |
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本席始終認為一個國家對待勞工的態度 |
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決定了一個國家的高度 |
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而一個社會如何照顧退休的勞工 |
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更代表這個社會是否真正具有溫度 |
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40.46 |
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今天我們大家討論的不只是百分之六 |
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百分之八或者是百分之九的提交率 |
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我們討論的是當一個勞工辛苦40年之後 |
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是不是能有一個安心有尊嚴的退休生活 |
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勞退新制從民國94年到現在已經超過20年 |
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當年政府曾經跟社會承諾 |
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新制會先求有再求好 |
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69 |
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未來將依照經濟發展跟社會環境來逐步檢討 |
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69 |
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逐步改善 |
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但是20年過去了制度一直存在 |
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改善卻遲遲沒有到來 |
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僱主法定最低提交率20年來始終留在6% |
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從來沒有調整 |
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但是這20年之間台灣經歷了巨大的變化 |
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經濟成長了企業獲利增加了 |
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房價上漲了物價也提高了 |
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醫療支出也持續增加 |
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100.34 |
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唯一沒有跟著時代一起進步的 |
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就是很多我們勞工的退休保障制度設計 |
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107.22 |
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許多基層勞工每天努力工作 |
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107.22 |
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111.96 |
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但是卻還是擔心說退休之後的生活 |
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111.96 |
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115.24 |
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很多人不是害怕退休是不敢退休 |
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因為他們不知道退休之後 |
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119.68 |
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每個月的生活費從哪裡來 |
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122.28 |
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不知道如果身體出了問題 |
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122.28 |
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125.72 |
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是否還有能力來負擔醫療費用 |
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127.92 |
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更不希望自己辛苦了一輩子 |
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127.92 |
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130.68 |
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最後面就成了家人的負擔 |
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130.68 |
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134.44 |
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我相信這不是任何一格立法委員 |
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134.44 |
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136.12 |
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願意看到的結果 |
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136.12 |
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140.6 |
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因此今天沛翔代表黨團提出兩點建議 |
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140.64 |
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144.4 |
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第一支持修正勞工退休金條例 |
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144.4 |
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147.36 |
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提高雇主的法定最低提交率 |
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147.36 |
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150.92 |
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並建立法定的定期檢討機制 |
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150.92 |
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153.84 |
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至於最後面是8% 9% |
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153.84 |
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156.08 |
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還是採逐年提高的方式 |
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157.64 |
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都可以透過我們公聽會 |
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159.56 |
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透過委員會來充分討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
159.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
162.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
兼顧勞工保障跟企業負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
162.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
165 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
但是我們至少要建立一個制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
165 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
168.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
讓勞保提交率能夠隨著經濟成長 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
168.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
172.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
新知水準跟物價變動來定期檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
172.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
176.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
而不是每隔20年才重新討論一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
176.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
180.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
制度最大的問題不是調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
180.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
182.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
是完全沒有調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
182.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
185.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
第二行政院跟勞動部 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
185.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
188.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
必須提出完整的改革配套 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
188.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
191.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
兼顧勞工保障跟永續企業發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
191.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
193.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
我相信我也理解 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
193.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
197.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
中小企業的確面臨到經營的壓力 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
197.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
202.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
因此改革不能只有一句提高提交率 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
202.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
205.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
政府應該同步提出配套措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
205.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
208.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
例如分階段實行租稅優惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
208.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
210.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
協助中小企業降低成本 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
210.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
212.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
讓企業有能力配合改革 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
212.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
215.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
也讓勞工能夠真正受惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
215.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
219.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
照顧勞工不應該變成勞資對立 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
219.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
222.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
真正好的政策是讓勞工更安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
222.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
224.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
也讓企業更有競爭力 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
224.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
227.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
最後我想說出去真心話 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
227.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
230.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
台灣今天能夠有這樣的經濟成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
230.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
231.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
有這樣的經濟成績 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
231.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
234.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
不是因為少數的成功企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
234.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
236.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
更是因為千千萬萬勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
236.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
238.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
數十年來默默付出 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
238.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
240.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
他們可能沒有站上舞台 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
240.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
243.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
沒有美光燈 沒有嶄生 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
243.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
245.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
但是每一座工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
245.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
246.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
每一條生產線 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
246.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
248.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
每一輛貨車 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
248.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
249.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
每一間餐廳 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
249.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
251.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
每一座工地 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
251.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
254.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
每一家醫院都有他們努力工作的背影 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
254.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
258.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
他們把人生最精華的歲月奉獻給社會 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
258.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
260.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
因此我們沒有理由 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
260.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
263.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
讓他們在人生的最後一段路 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
263.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
266.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
還要為退休生活而焦慮 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
266.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
270 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
退休不應該是勞工人生的懸崖 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
270 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
272.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
而是應該辛苦了一輩子之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
272.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
275 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
國家給予的一份安心 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
275 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
277.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
我也期待朝野各黨行政機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
277.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
279.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
以及勞資雙方 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
279.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
282.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
都能以最大的誠意來推動改革 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
282.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
285.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
共同完成勞退制度的下一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
285.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
288.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
讓每一個努力工作的人都能相信 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
288.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
289.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
今天的付出 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
289.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
292.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
未來一定會得到應有的報酬 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
292.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
293.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
今天會拼命 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
293.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
297.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
將會換來一個有尊嚴的晚年 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
297.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
297.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
299.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
302.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
謝謝林佩祥委員的發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
302.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
304.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
接下來請何政嘉 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
304.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
306.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
算是時間 |