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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:06,820 | 主席有請市長 |
| 00:00:06,820 | 00:00:07,860 | 市長 |
| 00:00:07,860 | 00:00:09,000 | 部長 |
| 00:00:09,000 | 00:00:10,580 | 有請石成良部長 |
| 00:00:10,580 | 00:00:14,700 | 好 委員好 |
| 00:00:14,700 | 00:00:17,580 | 好 部長好 |
| 00:00:17,580 | 00:00:23,000 | 本篇批一級致癌物 人民天天吃下毒 |
| 00:00:23,000 | 00:00:26,300 | 我想請教部長 你覺得人民擔不擔心 |
| 00:00:26,800 | 00:00:29,440 | 這個對這些致癌 當然大家都擔心 |
| 00:00:29,440 | 00:00:31,660 | 身為父母擔不擔心 |
| 00:00:31,660 | 00:00:32,620 | 當然都擔心 |
| 00:00:32,620 | 00:00:33,140 | 都擔心 |
| 00:00:33,140 | 00:00:34,060 | 我們大家都擔心 |
| 00:00:34,060 | 00:00:35,340 | 我告訴你 |
| 00:00:35,340 | 00:00:38,620 | 我們的官員發明了三金句 |
| 00:00:38,620 | 00:00:40,580 | 真的 每天吃飯前 |
| 00:00:40,580 | 00:00:43,100 | 默念這三金句 就不用擔心了 |
| 00:00:43,100 | 00:00:44,420 | 擔心都是多餘的 |
| 00:00:44,420 | 00:00:48,220 | 你知道哪三個金句嗎 |
| 00:00:48,220 | 00:00:51,820 | 吃飯前 默念官員三金句 |
| 00:00:51,820 | 00:00:55,180 | 保證百毒不侵 你知道哪三個金句嗎 |
| 00:00:56,180 | 00:00:58,019 | 我來告訴你 |
| 00:00:58,019 | 00:01:00,420 | 沒人逼你吃 |
| 00:01:00,420 | 00:01:02,460 | 別吃炸雞排 |
| 00:01:02,460 | 00:01:05,140 | 多喝水沒事 |
| 00:01:05,140 | 00:01:07,820 | 聽過這三句吧 |
| 00:01:07,820 | 00:01:09,420 | 沒聽過也看過新聞吧 |
| 00:01:09,420 | 00:01:10,420 | 對 新聞上有 |
| 00:01:10,420 | 00:01:12,980 | 有 |
| 00:01:12,980 | 00:01:16,700 | 部長 當然這三金句都不是出自你口 |
| 00:01:16,700 | 00:01:19,380 | 可是你覺得聽在人民的耳中 |
| 00:01:19,380 | 00:01:22,260 | 聽這三句金句 |
| 00:01:22,260 | 00:01:23,539 | 你覺得聽得進去嗎 |
| 00:01:23,539 | 00:01:25,020 | 聽得下去嗎 |
| 00:01:25,020 | 00:01:26,860 | 是不是吃飯前 |
| 00:01:26,860 | 00:01:28,020 | 默念這三金句 |
| 00:01:28,020 | 00:01:30,460 | 我們就不用害怕本便宜 |
| 00:01:30,460 | 00:01:32,460 | 吃太多也不用怕 |
| 00:01:32,460 | 00:01:33,699 | 念完這三金句 |
| 00:01:33,699 | 00:01:35,820 | 毒品油的事情就解決了嗎 |
| 00:01:35,820 | 00:01:37,500 | 是不是 |
| 00:01:37,500 | 00:01:40,220 | 這個油品的安全 |
| 00:01:40,220 | 00:01:42,259 | 食安都是我們的責任 |
| 00:01:42,259 | 00:01:43,420 | 我們都要去做 |
| 00:01:43,420 | 00:01:45,420 | 那面對這樣的事件 |
| 00:01:45,420 | 00:01:49,539 | 當然 我直接跟部長說 |
| 00:01:49,539 | 00:01:51,979 | 面對毒油風暴 |
| 00:01:51,980 | 00:01:57,620 | 最不需要就是幹話 |
| 00:01:57,620 | 00:02:00,820 | 其中一個幹話是你們次長講的 |
| 00:02:00,820 | 00:02:04,140 | 好 接下來再請教您 |
| 00:02:04,140 | 00:02:07,740 | 衛福部宣布中聯今年4月到6月 |
| 00:02:07,740 | 00:02:11,180 | 生產的30批大豆沙拉油 |
| 00:02:11,180 | 00:02:12,780 | 有19批 |
| 00:02:12,780 | 00:02:15,420 | 你們確認符合食品安全標準 |
| 00:02:15,420 | 00:02:16,540 | 要重新上架 |
| 00:02:16,540 | 00:02:17,060 | 對不對 |
| 00:02:17,060 | 00:02:17,540 | 對 |
| 00:02:17,540 | 00:02:18,460 | 這是誰的決策 |
| 00:02:18,460 | 00:02:20,940 | 是卓文泰院長拍板的嗎 |
| 00:02:21,180 | 00:02:22,700 | 沒有 這個在我們 |
| 00:02:22,700 | 00:02:25,100 | 宣布預防性下架的時候 |
| 00:02:25,100 | 00:02:29,140 | 那麼因為當時候中聯的資料有問題 |
| 00:02:29,140 | 00:02:30,540 | 所以我們為了 |
| 00:02:30,540 | 00:02:33,260 | 趕快讓民眾能夠安心 |
| 00:02:33,260 | 00:02:35,820 | 所以我們在7月9號就宣布 |
| 00:02:35,820 | 00:02:38,420 | 4到6月先預防性下架 |
| 00:02:38,420 | 00:02:41,140 | 那等我們驗完之後如果合格的 |
| 00:02:41,140 | 00:02:42,260 | 再來重新上架 |
| 00:02:42,260 | 00:02:45,620 | 所以我們後來也按照我們當時候的這個 |
| 00:02:45,620 | 00:02:47,220 | 因為他們是合格的產品 |
| 00:02:47,220 | 00:02:49,460 | 當時候是因為沒有辦法確認 |
| 00:02:49,460 | 00:02:51,340 | 因為中聯的sample |
| 00:02:51,340 | 00:02:53,340 | 他的樣本我們驗起來都合格 |
| 00:02:53,340 | 00:02:57,460 | 可是下游驗出來竟然出現資料不對接 |
| 00:02:57,460 | 00:02:59,900 | 所以我們才會擴大到4到6月 |
| 00:02:59,900 | 00:03:00,540 | 來 |
| 00:03:00,540 | 00:03:02,540 | 所以我們才叫做預防性下架 |
| 00:03:02,540 | 00:03:04,580 | 你上次的說法你這一整天都在說 |
| 00:03:04,580 | 00:03:04,780 | 對 |
| 00:03:04,780 | 00:03:06,300 | 我有聽到 |
| 00:03:06,300 | 00:03:07,980 | 我想請教你 |
| 00:03:07,980 | 00:03:10,540 | 毒油發生的原因現在釐清了嗎 |
| 00:03:10,540 | 00:03:12,140 | 完全釐清了嗎 |
| 00:03:12,140 | 00:03:15,140 | 我們昨天的專家進入到這個 |
| 00:03:15,140 | 00:03:16,620 | 做最後的確認 |
| 00:03:16,620 | 00:03:17,620 | 還沒釐清 |
| 00:03:17,620 | 00:03:18,700 | 已經釐清了 |
| 00:03:18,700 | 00:03:19,859 | 完全釐清了 |
| 00:03:19,859 | 00:03:20,220 | 對 |
| 00:03:20,220 | 00:03:20,859 | 大概 |
| 00:03:20,859 | 00:03:22,540 | 現在我們大概這個禮拜報告 |
| 00:03:22,540 | 00:03:23,820 | 正式報告就會出來 |
| 00:03:23,820 | 00:03:25,060 | 這個禮拜正式報告出來 |
| 00:03:25,060 | 00:03:25,459 | 對 |
| 00:03:25,459 | 00:03:27,140 | 報告出來跟大家國人報告 |
| 00:03:27,140 | 00:03:28,220 | 會 |
| 00:03:28,220 | 00:03:31,579 | 我要告訴我們部長 |
| 00:03:31,579 | 00:03:32,420 | 我想要請教你 |
| 00:03:32,420 | 00:03:33,500 | 為什麼不等報告出來 |
| 00:03:33,500 | 00:03:36,260 | 你再開始取信於民 |
| 00:03:36,260 | 00:03:37,660 | 然後你再開始 |
| 00:03:37,660 | 00:03:40,220 | 進行所謂的重新上架的這個做法 |
| 00:03:40,220 | 00:03:41,859 | 我想問一下這段話誰說的 |
| 00:03:41,859 | 00:03:42,459 | 你記不記得 |
| 00:03:42,459 | 00:03:44,060 | 你知不知道 |
| 00:03:44,060 | 00:03:46,820 | 要了解批號所有狀況資訊 |
| 00:03:46,859 | 00:03:48,940 | 真相清楚才準上架 |
| 00:03:48,940 | 00:03:50,540 | 這話誰說的 |
| 00:03:50,540 | 00:03:53,019 | 這個批號我們完全都掌握清楚了 |
| 00:03:53,019 | 00:03:53,579 | 你跟我講 |
| 00:03:53,579 | 00:03:55,220 | 這個禮拜報告才會出來 |
| 00:03:55,220 | 00:03:56,579 | 出來的沒有 |
| 00:03:56,579 | 00:03:57,859 | 不過這個每一個批次 |
| 00:03:57,859 | 00:03:58,739 | 我們都檢驗的 |
| 00:03:58,739 | 00:04:00,739 | 我講的不是你講這19個 |
| 00:04:00,739 | 00:04:02,260 | 我講的是整件事情 |
| 00:04:02,260 | 00:04:02,780 | 你要告訴我 |
| 00:04:02,780 | 00:04:04,740 | 所以真相已經完全釐清了 |
| 00:04:04,740 | 00:04:05,740 | 問題由的出 |
| 00:04:05,740 | 00:04:07,940 | 到底是來源在哪裡 |
| 00:04:07,940 | 00:04:08,620 | 流向在哪裡 |
| 00:04:08,620 | 00:04:09,700 | 全部都清楚了 |
| 00:04:09,700 | 00:04:10,140 | 是嗎 |
| 00:04:10,140 | 00:04:11,380 | 這個意思嗎 |
| 00:04:11,380 | 00:04:13,260 | 多少吃進國人肚子裡都清楚了 |
| 00:04:13,260 | 00:04:14,180 | 是這個意思嗎 |
| 00:04:14,820 | 00:04:17,540 | 這個事件為什麼會產生 |
| 00:04:17,540 | 00:04:18,500 | BAP偏高 |
| 00:04:18,500 | 00:04:19,980 | 這個我們大概知道 |
| 00:04:19,980 | 00:04:20,940 | 請問你 |
| 00:04:20,940 | 00:04:22,420 | 你既然說真相都清楚了 |
| 00:04:22,420 | 00:04:23,860 | 這個禮拜報告就能出來了 |
| 00:04:23,860 | 00:04:24,300 | 對不對 |
| 00:04:24,300 | 00:04:25,460 | 對 |
| 00:04:25,460 | 00:04:27,020 | 請問到底有百分之多 |
| 00:04:27,020 | 00:04:28,620 | 現在到底問題有多少 |
| 00:04:28,620 | 00:04:30,620 | 你們掌握的 |
| 00:04:30,620 | 00:04:32,580 | 就是這個7批 |
| 00:04:32,580 | 00:04:34,620 | 這個7批的數量 |
| 00:04:34,620 | 00:04:35,620 | 我們是掌握了 |
| 00:04:35,620 | 00:04:35,980 | 多少多 |
| 00:04:35,980 | 00:04:39,340 | 然後但是8000多 |
| 00:04:39,340 | 00:04:40,580 | 8000多公噸 |
| 00:04:40,580 | 00:04:43,940 | 然後回收的目前是2700 |
| 00:04:43,940 | 00:04:45,980 | 我想請教你 |
| 00:04:45,980 | 00:04:48,580 | 多少吃進人民的肚子裡面 |
| 00:04:48,580 | 00:04:50,100 | 百分之多少 |
| 00:04:50,100 | 00:04:52,940 | 因為以現在這樣的比例而言 |
| 00:04:52,940 | 00:04:56,140 | 大概是30%左右 |
| 00:04:56,140 | 00:04:57,060 | 但是其餘的 |
| 00:04:57,060 | 00:04:59,940 | 有些現在已經丟棄了 |
| 00:04:59,940 | 00:05:01,940 | 就是30%左右 |
| 00:05:01,940 | 00:05:03,860 | 大概多少公噸吃進人民肚子裡 |
| 00:05:03,860 | 00:05:05,940 | 因為它是有的是以 |
| 00:05:05,940 | 00:05:07,900 | 這個油炸的方式 |
| 00:05:07,900 | 00:05:09,460 | 油炸油的方式在使用 |
| 00:05:09,460 | 00:05:10,740 | 所以它會丟棄 |
| 00:05:10,740 | 00:05:11,380 | 不是全部 |
| 00:05:11,380 | 00:05:12,180 | 你說實話 |
| 00:05:12,180 | 00:05:13,580 | 你既然已經確定 |
| 00:05:13,580 | 00:05:15,540 | 沒有多少公噸有問題 |
| 00:05:15,540 | 00:05:17,700 | 你說30%吃進人民肚子裡 |
| 00:05:17,700 | 00:05:18,980 | 那不是就乘以30% |
| 00:05:18,980 | 00:05:20,780 | 你就可以算進多少公噸 |
| 00:05:20,780 | 00:05:23,700 | 因為它不是直接都是食用 |
| 00:05:23,700 | 00:05:24,780 | 因為它有的是 |
| 00:05:24,780 | 00:05:25,580 | 會棄置 |
| 00:05:25,580 | 00:05:27,540 | 會變成廢棄物了 |
| 00:05:27,540 | 00:05:29,460 | 它已經變成廢棄物了 |
| 00:05:29,460 | 00:05:31,980 | 所以我們沒有辦法去 |
| 00:05:31,980 | 00:05:33,380 | 算這個回收量 |
| 00:05:33,380 | 00:05:35,100 | 部長 |
| 00:05:35,100 | 00:05:37,460 | 這些所謂的到 |
| 00:05:37,460 | 00:05:41,180 | 這個我們商家開始調理以後 |
| 00:05:41,180 | 00:05:43,180 | 就是提供人民吃了多少 |
| 00:05:43,180 | 00:05:44,500 | 你到現在答案是告訴你 |
| 00:05:44,500 | 00:05:46,180 | 你也不知道 |
| 00:05:46,180 | 00:05:47,100 | 多少是棄置 |
| 00:05:47,100 | 00:05:48,180 | 多少是進到人民肚子裡 |
| 00:05:48,180 | 00:05:50,100 | 你不知道 |
| 00:05:50,100 | 00:05:52,100 | 所以你不要拍胸部告訴我說 |
| 00:05:52,100 | 00:05:54,180 | 你所有的真相全部查清楚了 |
| 00:05:54,180 | 00:05:55,100 | 那我在講上游 |
| 00:05:55,100 | 00:05:56,700 | 你說查清楚了 |
| 00:05:56,700 | 00:05:59,700 | 上游的源頭到底是什麼 |
| 00:05:59,700 | 00:06:00,300 | 就是它的 |
| 00:06:00,300 | 00:06:02,100 | 我們從它的這個 |
| 00:06:02,100 | 00:06:04,900 | 我們檢驗出的不合格的批次 |
| 00:06:04,900 | 00:06:06,780 | 去對照它整個製程 |
| 00:06:06,780 | 00:06:08,980 | 跟它的原料比值 |
| 00:06:08,980 | 00:06:10,300 | 那所以有幾批 |
| 00:06:10,300 | 00:06:12,300 | 它的這個原料的品質比較差 |
| 00:06:12,300 | 00:06:15,100 | 那幾批原料源頭又是什麼 |
| 00:06:15,100 | 00:06:16,700 | 那就是巴西的豆子 |
| 00:06:16,700 | 00:06:17,700 | 巴西的豆子 |
| 00:06:17,700 | 00:06:19,700 | 然後再加上它製程上 |
| 00:06:19,700 | 00:06:21,700 | 沒有去精煉達標 |
| 00:06:21,700 | 00:06:24,180 | 所以造成它最後的這個數值 |
| 00:06:24,180 | 00:06:26,580 | 我要告訴部長 |
| 00:06:26,580 | 00:06:28,700 | 你光跟我講的到這一段 |
| 00:06:28,700 | 00:06:31,500 | 說真的也沒呈現在報告裡面 |
| 00:06:31,500 | 00:06:34,100 | 你說你的報告到這個禮拜才會出來 |
| 00:06:34,100 | 00:06:35,500 | 那我下一個就要問了 |
| 00:06:35,500 | 00:06:37,100 | 我剛剛講要了解批號 |
| 00:06:37,100 | 00:06:38,300 | 真相搞清楚才准上架 |
| 00:06:38,300 | 00:06:39,300 | 這句話誰說的 |
| 00:06:39,300 | 00:06:42,020 | 你知道誰說的嗎 |
| 00:06:42,020 | 00:06:44,260 | 這句話陳其邁說的 |
| 00:06:44,260 | 00:06:46,420 | 你現在重新上架這件事情 |
| 00:06:46,420 | 00:06:48,220 | 我想請問一下 |
| 00:06:48,220 | 00:06:49,860 | 中央跟地方 |
| 00:06:49,860 | 00:06:53,620 | 到底在這件事上有沒有共識 |
| 00:06:53,620 | 00:06:57,300 | 這個我們完成了這個科學的檢驗 |
| 00:06:57,300 | 00:06:57,900 | 確認了 |
| 00:06:57,900 | 00:06:59,420 | 你不是又開了一堆 |
| 00:06:59,420 | 00:07:01,500 | 會議把地方首長找上來 |
| 00:07:01,500 | 00:07:03,460 | 有沒有共識 |
| 00:07:03,460 | 00:07:06,220 | 會議當中有沒有跟地方首長溝通 |
| 00:07:06,220 | 00:07:08,220 | 有沒有跟陳其邁溝通 |
| 00:07:09,140 | 00:07:10,340 | 跟委員說明 |
| 00:07:10,340 | 00:07:14,340 | 當然我們現在是從我們檢驗的結果去 |
| 00:07:14,340 | 00:07:16,740 | 去確認哪些批次是安全的 |
| 00:07:16,740 | 00:07:17,140 | 你都沒 |
| 00:07:17,140 | 00:07:17,580 | 但是 |
| 00:07:17,580 | 00:07:18,340 | 您還是沒有回答我的問題 |
| 00:07:18,340 | 00:07:20,380 | 如果地方有它自己的考量 |
| 00:07:20,380 | 00:07:22,940 | 您還是沒有回答我的問題 |
| 00:07:22,940 | 00:07:23,740 | 我要問部長 |
| 00:07:23,740 | 00:07:27,340 | 所以堅決不會撤回你重新上架的政策 |
| 00:07:27,340 | 00:07:28,180 | 堅決不會撤回 |
| 00:07:28,180 | 00:07:29,340 | 即便陳其邁這樣講 |
| 00:07:29,340 | 00:07:33,420 | 即便蔣萬安跟台中市長盧修諺都表達疑慮 |
| 00:07:33,420 | 00:07:35,820 | 人民的信心人民的安全感 |
| 00:07:35,820 | 00:07:37,740 | 覺得應該永遠放在第一優先順位 |
| 00:07:37,740 | 00:07:41,460 | 等你的所有報告全部公諸真相公佈之後 |
| 00:07:41,460 | 00:07:43,460 | 你再來讓社會大眾來決定 |
| 00:07:43,460 | 00:07:45,860 | 要不要同意你重新上架 |
| 00:07:45,860 | 00:07:47,260 | 這個政策你不會改變 |
| 00:07:47,260 | 00:07:50,260 | 因為這些批次我們都已經確認完成了 |
| 00:07:50,260 | 00:07:52,060 | 它是達標的 |
| 00:07:52,060 | 00:07:55,260 | 它是合格的商品 |
| 00:07:55,260 | 00:07:57,860 | 我跟部長說 |
| 00:07:57,860 | 00:07:59,860 | 你口口聲聲說這些都安全 |
| 00:07:59,860 | 00:08:03,060 | 都是達標的商品 |
| 00:08:03,060 | 00:08:05,860 | 可今天整個衛福部 |
| 00:08:05,980 | 00:08:08,780 | 為什麼開始讓人民覺得 |
| 00:08:08,780 | 00:08:12,180 | 對你們講的話已經要打上問號 |
| 00:08:12,180 | 00:08:15,580 | 打上問號不是直接否定你講的話不可信 |
| 00:08:15,580 | 00:08:18,580 | 而是我不知道該不該信 |
| 00:08:18,580 | 00:08:22,580 | 因為從毒油風暴發生到現在 |
| 00:08:22,580 | 00:08:23,460 | 對不對 |
| 00:08:23,460 | 00:08:25,660 | 20幾天 |
| 00:08:25,660 | 00:08:27,660 | 我們發現 |
| 00:08:27,660 | 00:08:29,860 | 看到我們的行政官員 |
| 00:08:29,860 | 00:08:31,380 | 外面看到的是什麼 |
| 00:08:31,380 | 00:08:33,180 | 壓力到哪裡 |
| 00:08:33,180 | 00:08:35,659 | 就是做法到哪裡 |
| 00:08:35,659 | 00:08:38,260 | 我舉個例子725人民就要上 |
| 00:08:38,260 | 00:08:39,380 | 凱道抗議了 |
| 00:08:39,380 | 00:08:41,659 | 抗議什麼 |
| 00:08:41,659 | 00:08:44,860 | 抗議這個食安風暴 |
| 00:08:44,860 | 00:08:47,579 | 如果沒有725人民抗議食安風暴 |
| 00:08:47,579 | 00:08:49,780 | 我想請問 |
| 00:08:49,780 | 00:08:54,660 | 今天行政院說要開始做修法工作 |
| 00:08:54,660 | 00:08:58,060 | 開記者會要來做修法 |
| 00:08:58,060 | 00:08:59,660 | 我很好奇 |
| 00:08:59,660 | 00:09:01,060 | 如果人民沒有要上凱道 |
| 00:09:01,060 | 00:09:02,980 | 你們會去做這件事嗎 |
| 00:09:02,980 | 00:09:04,180 | 我光問一件事情 |
| 00:09:04,180 | 00:09:06,900 | 省紀部多久就告訴行政部門 |
| 00:09:06,900 | 00:09:08,900 | 我們的整個食安有漏洞 |
| 00:09:08,900 | 00:09:11,300 | 省紀部什麼時候講的 |
| 00:09:11,300 | 00:09:12,900 | 省紀部的報告 |
| 00:09:12,900 | 00:09:14,699 | 你看省紀部講什麼你也不知道 |
| 00:09:14,699 | 00:09:15,699 | 兩年前 |
| 00:09:15,699 | 00:09:17,500 | 你作為主管機關 |
| 00:09:17,500 | 00:09:19,780 | 省紀部兩年前就已經告訴你 |
| 00:09:19,780 | 00:09:22,699 | 自主管理有漏洞 |
| 00:09:22,699 | 00:09:24,339 | 然後你的所謂的 |
| 00:09:24,339 | 00:09:26,699 | 覆查的覆蓋有問題 |
| 00:09:26,699 | 00:09:29,500 | 食安有破口 |
| 00:09:29,500 | 00:09:31,979 | 可是這兩年到現在部長 |
| 00:09:31,980 | 00:09:34,900 | 我問省紀部的報告 |
| 00:09:34,900 | 00:09:36,500 | 你們回去看一下好不好 |
| 00:09:36,500 | 00:09:37,300 | 可以嗎 |
| 00:09:37,300 | 00:09:37,740 | 可以 |
| 00:09:37,740 | 00:09:40,380 | 回去看一下吧 |
| 00:09:40,380 | 00:09:41,700 | 不過 |
| 00:09:41,700 | 00:09:45,180 | 今天分幾個層次跟部長說 |
| 00:09:45,180 | 00:09:46,500 | 第一個層次是什麼 |
| 00:09:46,500 | 00:09:48,380 | 第一個層次當然 |
| 00:09:48,380 | 00:09:51,900 | 制度跟系統有漏洞 |
| 00:09:51,900 | 00:09:53,380 | 要從制度系統去改 |
| 00:09:53,380 | 00:09:54,500 | 沒錯吧 |
| 00:09:54,500 | 00:09:55,180 | 對不對 |
| 00:09:55,180 | 00:09:57,380 | 補強改進對不對 |
| 00:09:57,380 | 00:09:59,180 | 對這一定的 |
| 00:09:59,180 | 00:10:01,380 | 但行政管理有疏失 |
| 00:10:01,380 | 00:10:03,380 | 那就要去追究 |
| 00:10:03,380 | 00:10:04,100 | 是不是 |
| 00:10:04,100 | 00:10:05,900 | 對 |
| 00:10:05,900 | 00:10:06,900 | 所以 |
| 00:10:06,900 | 00:10:09,500 | 你今天看到系統的問題 |
| 00:10:09,500 | 00:10:13,780 | 兩年前省紀部就已經警示了 |
| 00:10:13,780 | 00:10:14,900 | 沒有動 |
| 00:10:14,900 | 00:10:18,700 | 現在好都說推給是業者隱匿 |
| 00:10:18,700 | 00:10:20,180 | 業者隱匿本來就有責任 |
| 00:10:20,180 | 00:10:22,740 | 在現在法治之下有沒有責任 |
| 00:10:22,740 | 00:10:23,380 | 一樣有 |
| 00:10:23,380 | 00:10:25,900 | 這個對這個明定在食安法裡 |
| 00:10:25,900 | 00:10:27,580 | 對啊 |
| 00:10:27,580 | 00:10:29,900 | 法律都在 |
| 00:10:29,900 | 00:10:32,100 | 但是屠法要能行 |
| 00:10:32,100 | 00:10:34,819 | 就是行政機關要執行 |
| 00:10:34,819 | 00:10:36,459 | 可今天行政機關放任 |
| 00:10:36,459 | 00:10:38,459 | 今天省紀部兩年前的預警 |
| 00:10:38,459 | 00:10:39,420 | 示警 |
| 00:10:39,420 | 00:10:41,220 | 沒有作為 |
| 00:10:41,220 | 00:10:44,020 | 現在行政管理上 |
| 00:10:44,020 | 00:10:45,020 | 不管怎麼講 |
| 00:10:45,020 | 00:10:47,220 | 我就看你們很多解釋 |
| 00:10:47,220 | 00:10:50,100 | 一開始不肯公布產品流向 |
| 00:10:50,100 | 00:10:51,819 | 然後等到問題擴大 |
| 00:10:51,819 | 00:10:54,900 | 又跟我講說20%以下的 |
| 00:10:54,900 | 00:10:56,819 | 一樣還是准許上架 |
| 00:10:56,819 | 00:10:58,620 | 然後接下來再全部不能上架 |
| 00:10:58,620 | 00:10:59,740 | 預防性下降 |
| 00:10:59,740 | 00:11:01,940 | 現在重新上架 |
| 00:11:01,940 | 00:11:04,220 | 這整個過程部長你將心比心 |
| 00:11:04,220 | 00:11:05,820 | 你跟我位置換過來 |
| 00:11:05,820 | 00:11:07,820 | 你今天站在父母親 |
| 00:11:07,820 | 00:11:09,940 | 跟站在所謂的一般人民的立場 |
| 00:11:09,940 | 00:11:11,340 | 來看的話 |
| 00:11:11,340 | 00:11:14,140 | 你覺得你會安心嗎 |
| 00:11:14,140 | 00:11:16,140 | 你覺得今天衛福部整個過程 |
| 00:11:16,140 | 00:11:17,220 | 的做法當中 |
| 00:11:17,220 | 00:11:19,580 | 沒有值得檢討跟改進的地方嗎 |
| 00:11:19,580 | 00:11:20,620 | 有沒有 |
| 00:11:20,620 | 00:11:23,340 | 跟委員當然有值得檢討的地方 |
| 00:11:23,340 | 00:11:24,620 | 那麼但是我也 |
| 00:11:24,620 | 00:11:26,420 | 來你們檢討的地方在哪裡 |
| 00:11:26,420 | 00:11:28,420 | 跟委員的感受是一樣 |
| 00:11:28,420 | 00:11:31,780 | 所以為了讓大家安心才會提早 |
| 00:11:31,780 | 00:11:35,540 | 就4到6月讓它全面性的預防性下架 |
| 00:11:35,540 | 00:11:37,819 | 這個對於合格的商品 |
| 00:11:37,819 | 00:11:40,020 | 當時候我們也是讓它先下架 |
| 00:11:40,020 | 00:11:42,140 | 因為我們後頭確認之後 |
| 00:11:42,140 | 00:11:45,180 | 假如今天不是社會壓力大到一個程度 |
| 00:11:45,180 | 00:11:46,540 | 你開始採取預防性下架 |
| 00:11:46,540 | 00:11:49,219 | 你自己就先做了 |
| 00:11:49,219 | 00:11:50,180 | 那我也不會說 |
| 00:11:50,180 | 00:11:52,140 | 外界也不會有一個懷疑是 |
| 00:11:52,140 | 00:11:54,339 | 這叫做切香腸要擠牙 |
| 00:11:54,339 | 00:11:55,339 | 不是 跟委員報告 |
| 00:11:55,340 | 00:11:57,860 | 這是因為我們調查的過程發現 |
| 00:11:57,860 | 00:11:59,860 | 它的資料有作假 |
| 00:11:59,860 | 00:12:00,860 | 所以我們才 |
| 00:12:00,860 | 00:12:03,260 | 我最後還是跟部長說 |
| 00:12:03,260 | 00:12:05,060 | 我真的拜託部長 |
| 00:12:05,060 | 00:12:06,340 | 約束一下 |
| 00:12:06,340 | 00:12:09,340 | 別的那些人的嘴巴你約束不了 |
| 00:12:09,340 | 00:12:10,260 | 你是衛福部長 |
| 00:12:10,260 | 00:12:12,860 | 你也約束不了中研院院長的嘴巴 |
| 00:12:12,860 | 00:12:14,740 | 你也約束不了民進黨發言人的嘴巴 |
| 00:12:14,740 | 00:12:17,260 | 你也約束不了新北市議員的嘴巴 |
| 00:12:17,260 | 00:12:20,660 | 但自己衛福部的官員嘴巴約束好了 |
| 00:12:20,660 | 00:12:21,540 | 提由救火 |
| 00:12:21,540 | 00:12:24,060 | 不需要在這個時候講一些幹話 |
| 00:12:24,060 | 00:12:26,060 | 這個今天還要每個民眾 |
| 00:12:26,060 | 00:12:28,780 | 吃飯之前要默念我剛剛前面講的三金句嗎 |
| 00:12:28,780 | 00:12:30,060 | 沒人逼我吃 |
| 00:12:30,060 | 00:12:31,459 | 別吃炸雞排 |
| 00:12:31,459 | 00:12:32,859 | 多喝水沒事 |
| 00:12:32,859 | 00:12:35,579 | 這樣念完以後本便宜 |
| 00:12:35,579 | 00:12:38,380 | 就沒毒了 |
| 00:12:38,380 | 00:12:40,660 | 民眾已經對這件事情上 |
| 00:12:40,660 | 00:12:42,579 | 已經不知道吃什麼東西好了 |
| 00:12:42,579 | 00:12:44,859 | 講白了 |
| 00:12:44,859 | 00:12:47,180 | 沙拉油哪個食品不用到 |
| 00:12:47,180 | 00:12:49,660 | 毒油風暴一掀開以後 |
| 00:12:49,660 | 00:12:51,380 | 我就講沒人逼你吃這件事情 |
| 00:12:51,380 | 00:12:54,020 | 認同這句話嗎 |
| 00:12:54,020 | 00:12:54,740 | 認同這句話 |
| 00:12:54,740 | 00:12:57,540 | 這句話能夠解答毒油風暴嗎 |
| 00:12:57,540 | 00:13:00,939 | 我們的責任就是確保這些用油都是安全 |
| 00:13:00,939 | 00:13:02,540 | 問你認不認同 |
| 00:13:02,540 | 00:13:03,780 | 我們的責任就是要確保 |
| 00:13:03,780 | 00:13:05,540 | 答對了嘛 |
| 00:13:05,540 | 00:13:08,140 | 政府如果沒有善盡責任 |
| 00:13:08,140 | 00:13:11,340 | 當毒油瓶流入市面的時候 |
| 00:13:11,340 | 00:13:13,140 | 什麼叫沒人逼你吃 |
| 00:13:13,140 | 00:13:15,020 | 民眾根本沒得選 |
| 00:13:15,020 | 00:13:17,140 | 我怎麼知道A有毒 B有毒 C有毒 |
| 00:13:17,140 | 00:13:18,220 | 還是D有毒 |
| 00:13:18,220 | 00:13:20,340 | 我都不知道 |
| 00:13:20,340 | 00:13:22,340 | 所以這是為什麼今天 |
| 00:13:22,460 | 00:13:25,460 | 我必須要跟部長說 |
| 00:13:25,460 | 00:13:28,940 | 別的人不管 吳征你管不到 |
| 00:13:28,940 | 00:13:30,660 | 但是你為福不自己管好了 |
| 00:13:30,660 | 00:13:31,740 | 謝謝 |
| 00:13:31,740 | 00:13:32,340 | 謝謝委員 |
| 00:13:32,340 | 00:13:35,700 | 這個我們一定會確保所有的在 |
| 00:13:35,700 | 00:13:38,740 | 這個架上面的油品的合格合規 |
| 00:13:38,740 | 00:13:40,140 | 好 謝謝部長 |
| 00:13:40,140 | 00:13:42,060 | 謝謝 |
| 00:13:42,060 | 00:13:43,340 | 謝謝羅志強我的質詢 |