| IVOD_ID |
170673 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170673 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-22 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-22T11:35:46+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-22T12:11:54+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:36:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7469000803f9b6aa279a5637a13cdda0a27d63d5dbb97eb28d89b34c8036b8f269b51f63c6f260655ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林淑芬 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:35:46 - 12:11:54 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
（變更議程）立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：（上午9時起）
邀請衛生福利部部長、行政院食品安全辦公室、行政院消費者保護處、經濟部、法務部、國防部及教育部就「致癌食用油成因、流向、稽查、資訊公開、風險評估、團體訴訟、求償機制，行政法律究責、未來具體改進措施及期程等事宜」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
邀請衛生福利部部長、行政院食品安全辦公室、教育部及農業部就「近期發布《農藥殘留容許量標準》(如其中蘋果芬普寧藥殘標準從0.5ppm放寬至3.0ppm等)之各項依據及修正標準」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
討論事項
一、審查行政院函送財團法人國家衛生研究院115年度工作計畫及收支預算案。
二、審查衛生福利部函送財團法人醫院評鑑暨醫療品質策進會等9家財團法人115年度預算書案。
【以上專題報告及預算案綜合詢答；預算案，僅詢答，115年7月30日下午5時截止收案】
（下午2時30分起，若上午議程尚未結束，待結束後接續召開）
三、繼續審查及審查「國民年金法部分條文修正草案」等73案。
(一)繼續審查行政院函請審議「國民年金法部分條文修正草案」案。
(二)繼續審查委員何欣純等17人擬具「國民年金法第五十四條之一及第五十五條條文修正草案」案。
(三)繼續審查委員邱鎮軍等17人擬具「國民年金法第十五條及五十四條之一條文修正草案」案。
(四)繼續審查委員王美惠等18人擬具「國民年金法第五十四條之一條文修正草案」案。
(五)繼續審查委員劉建國等16人擬具「國民年金法第五十四條之一條文修正草案」案。
......（完整內容，詳見議事日程）
(六十四)審查委員高金素梅等18人擬具「國民年金法第三十一條、第五十三條及第五十四條之一條文修正草案」案。
(六十五)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「國民年金法部分條文修正草案」案。
(六十六)審查委員林宜瑾等22人擬具「國民年金法部分條文修正草案」案。
(六十七)審查委員陳菁徽等18人擬具「國民年金法部分條文修正草案」案。
(六十八)審查委員賴士葆等25人擬具「國民年金法第五十四條之一條文修正草案」案。
(六十九)審查委員廖偉翔等21人擬具「國民年金法第三十九條、第三十九條之一及第四十條條文修正草案」案。
(七十)審查委員涂權吉等18人擬具「國民年金法第五十四條之一條文修正草案」案。
(七十一)審查委員林思銘等17人擬具「國民年金法第十五條、第三十一條及第五十條條文修正草案」案。
(七十二)審查國民黨黨團擬具「國民年金法第三十九條、第三十九條之一及第四十條條文修正草案」案。
(七十三)審查委員游顥等16人擬具「國民年金法部分條文修正草案」案。
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好 謝謝主席 是不是請我們部長 |
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我請石崇良部長 |
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11.52 |
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17.4 |
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好 李月娥好 |
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17.4 |
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23.56 |
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部長 從6月30到現在 已經三個多禮拜了 |
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23.76 |
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31.44 |
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我們要問的就是說 到底知不知道為什麼會發生這種事 |
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31.44 |
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36.96 |
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人民生氣的就是說 為什麼這個中聯遊子事件會 |
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36.96 |
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40.76 |
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到底發生的原因是什麼 |
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40.76 |
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43.56 |
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你們到現在就只有說 |
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48.48 |
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這個大概是熱損率允收的標準放寬了十倍 |
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48.68 |
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54.88 |
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大概是中聯遊子自由過程 位於原定的管制點確實執行 |
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54.88 |
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56.4 |
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你們大概這樣講嘛 |
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56.4 |
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61.6 |
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可是你現在還沒辦法肯定的說 就是這個原因 |
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67.16 |
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當然跟委員說 這就是為什麼我們要請專家幫我們做確認 |
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67.16 |
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71 |
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所以昨天就是專家去做這個因果關係的確認 |
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71 |
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76.12 |
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所以這個從我們初步得到的調查結果 |
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76.2 |
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79.4 |
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都是應該是以它的原料上 |
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82.92 |
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它在4月之後改變了這個原料 |
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82.92 |
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85.16 |
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那麼原料的品質是不好的 |
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87.92 |
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對 製程上當然也有多個缺點 |
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87.92 |
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92.52 |
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不過 到今天為止 你們主管機關還沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
92.52 |
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96.96 |
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百分之百明確的回答人民說 |
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96.96 |
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104.32 |
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不知道污染到底在整個生產鏈上的哪一個環節發生問題 |
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104.32 |
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108.36 |
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所以6月30到現在三個多禮拜了 |
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108.36 |
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113.92 |
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所以我們才會說 還沒有辦法肯定的指出到底是什麼原因 |
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113.92 |
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116.68 |
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這就是我們生氣的地方 |
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116.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
120.52 |
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這個是很嚴重的事情 這樣子是不可以的 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
120.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
124.2 |
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這樣子人民當然有權利要生氣啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
124.2 |
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125.08 |
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那我現在要告訴你 |
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125.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
129.76 |
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這個也跟委員說明 當然在這個調查過程當中 |
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129.76 |
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133.76 |
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因為這個廠商的作假 增加了我們的複雜度 |
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133.76 |
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134.64 |
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我知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
134.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
136.6 |
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所以它的所有的樣本因為不可信 |
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136.6 |
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140.24 |
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所以我們從下游 中下游 全美去檢驗之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
140.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
142.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
然後再回去對應 |
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142.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
143.32 |
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其實早就應該進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
143.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
146.16 |
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但是我要再告訴你一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
146.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
149.36 |
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其實食藥署早就知道了啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
149.36 |
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150.8 |
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早就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
150.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
153.08 |
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而且這整個事件 |
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153.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
160.4 |
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如果從2021年食藥署再由他們自己發表過的報告 |
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160.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
165.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
在他們的食品藥物研究年報裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
165.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
170.4 |
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整個油脂產業最核心的問題早就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
170.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
172.08 |
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不是食藥署知道 |
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172.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
175.16 |
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地方政府也都早就知道了 |
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175.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
177.52 |
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他們做的研究是什麼 你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
177.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
178.52 |
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因為你還不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
178.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
181.48 |
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當時2021年你也不是部長啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
181.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
183.32 |
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所以我現在就跟你講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
183.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
186.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
他們那篇研究題目叫做 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
186.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
193.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
食用油脂工廠實施衛生管理及食品安全管制系統的概況 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
193.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
200.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
這個是中央跟地方政府一起去調查產出的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
200.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
204.36 |
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文章裡面第一段就提到重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
204.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
207.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
食用油脂擁有多元品質指標項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
207.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
211.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
無法緊究單一檢測品質直接鑒別產品的優劣 |
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211.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
215.24 |
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後續仍以現場稽查試證為主 |
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215.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
220.48 |
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充分反映事前監控剩餘最終檢驗的重要性 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
220.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
224.72 |
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所以這個中央地方聯合調查的調查報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
224.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
226.92 |
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開宗明義就講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
226.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
230.08 |
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這個不是最終檢驗能夠處理的 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
230.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
232.28 |
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他一定要事前監控 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
232.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
236.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
而且仍需以現場稽查試證為主 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
236.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
239.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
那我要講這個是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
239.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
240.56 |
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現在啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
240.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
246.8 |
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這一套事前監控系統到底有沒有發揮作用 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
246.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
251.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
而你們的HACCP系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
251.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
252.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
是吧第幾條 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
252.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
254.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
254.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
256 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
第八條 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
256 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
258.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
所以這些食品業者都要符合第八條的規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
258.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
261.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
要HACCP系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
261.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
265.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
什麼是HACCP系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
265.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
268.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
就是它的食品製程的這個管控 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
269.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
274.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
它這個叫Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
274.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
278.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
簡單來講就是危害重要管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
278.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
281.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
危害分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
281.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
283.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
它的重要管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
283.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
285.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
它的危害分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
285.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
287.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
食品安全的管制系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
287.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
290.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
整個法律就仰賴這個制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
290.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
293 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
而這個制度到底有沒有在運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
293 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
296 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
這個HACCP的管制精神 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
296.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
297.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
一個危害分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
297.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
301.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
第二個重要管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
301.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
303.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
303.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
305.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
重點是它要做到事前預防 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
305.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
309.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
全程監控來降低風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
309.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
311.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
我們就仰賴這個制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
311.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
314.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
今天有其他委員講HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
314.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
318.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
大家也講到了管制的節點都沒有落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
318.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
320.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
每一個節點都出問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
320.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
322.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
但我現在要跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
322.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
323.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
早就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
323.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
330 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
2021年食藥署跟各地方衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
330 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
332 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
去查了一遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
332 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
336.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
所有全台灣的大型油廠都去查了一遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
336.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
339.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
有沒有符合HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
339.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
340.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
查過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
340.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
342.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
查過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
342.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
343.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
而且呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
343.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
345.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
早就知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
345.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
347.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
這一些大型的油廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
347.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
349.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
包括中聯油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
349.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
353.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
它整個生產的管理弱點問題出在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
353.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
356.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
早就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
356.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
359.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
你看它的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
359.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
360.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
所以它那個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
360.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
362.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
它不是等到超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
362.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
364.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
然後再下架再回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
364.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
366.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
我們現在才要來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
366.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
368.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
這份報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
368.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
371.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
它有沒有發揮作用 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
371.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
373.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
它本篇筆跟這個PASS |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
373.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
377.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
有沒有被列為明確危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
377.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
378.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
378.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
382.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
還是列為環境污染物質 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
382.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
383.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
383.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
384.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
原料驗收製程操作 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
384.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
387.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
油槽儲存混槽出貨放行 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
387.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
389.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
有沒有設計出在出貨前 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
389.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
392.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
要攔下風險的監測程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
392.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
393.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
第三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
393.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
395.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
驗到異常時 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
395.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
396.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
矯正措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
396.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
399.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
業者到底是停用封存通報 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
399.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
401.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
還是現在看到的中聯油脂 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
401.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
408.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
就是復驗開會隱密隱瞞 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
408.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
412 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
那請問你們食藥署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
412 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
415.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
當時這份報告出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
415.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
416.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
416.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
420.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
這個HACCP的這個管制 |
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420.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
422.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
這些流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
422.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
424.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
到底有沒有符合和落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
424.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
426.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
署長有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
426.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
427.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
蛤 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
427.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
430.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
這套制度在現場有沒有落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
430.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
433.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
如果以我們這一次調查這個中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
433.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
435.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
它有好幾個管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
435.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
438.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
沒有符合這個管制要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
438.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
439.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
不是中聯而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
439.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
441.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
我現在告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
441.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
444.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
使用油脂業的HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
444.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
445.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
都是做表面的 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
445.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
做樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
450.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
完全沒有發揮預警的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
450.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
451.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
這個不是我說了算 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
451.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
452.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
這個是你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
452.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
456.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
食藥署跟地方政府去查場的 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
456.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
458.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
結果報告在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
458.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
460.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
來早就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
460.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
464.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
107年到109年之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
464.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
467.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
地方政府加中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
467.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
471.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
共去63家使用油脂的工廠的查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
471.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
477.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
這份報告是根據63家工廠的查核的結果來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
477.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
478.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
478.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
480.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
裡面查核報告說 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
480.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
482.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
在於登錄資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
482.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
484.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
追溯追蹤系統的符合率 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
484.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
489.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
大概八成這63家八成以上都符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
489.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
492.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
但是食品安全的管制系統準則 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
492.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
495.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
也就是HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
495.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
498.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
出查符合率低於六成 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
498.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
502.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
主要缺失就是沒有落實文件或記錄管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
502.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
503.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
503.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
508.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
當時這份研究報告提到HACCP有哪些 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
508.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
510.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
沒有落實文件管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
510.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
512.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
也沒有落實記錄管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
512.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
514.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
整個不合格率 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
514.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
518.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
大概超過大概四成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
518.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
519.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
好署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
519.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
523.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
有哪些缺失項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
523.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
525.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
525.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
526.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
部長你是一定不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
526.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
529.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
但食藥署應該要知道吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
529.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
530.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
你們自己的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
530.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
532.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
532.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
533.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
蛤 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
533.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
538.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
HACCP在2021年的報告就講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
538.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
540.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
對上面的報告有 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
540.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
542.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
這個部分我們在二級的驗證裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
542.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
544.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
我們也的確在這次的修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
544.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
546.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
我們認為它的製程的確效 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
546.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
548.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
跟HACCP每一個節點 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
548.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
我們會再加強的落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
553.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
我在講2021年的報告講什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
553.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
554.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
你看清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
554.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
555.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
看仔細一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
557.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
557.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
蛤 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
557.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
它有什麼缺失項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
562.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
然後你們到現在都還找不到 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
562.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
563.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
發生的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
563.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
567.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
再去把這份報告拿出來看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
567.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
568.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
它的缺失項目集中在 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
568.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
570.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
食品安全管制小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
570.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
571.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
產品加工流程圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
571.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
574.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
危害分析和重要管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
574.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
576.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
建立管制界限和監測程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
576.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
579.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
制定矯正措施和確認系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
579.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
581.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
文件還有記錄管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
581.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
583.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
然後這裡面發生什麼事情了 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
583.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
586.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
在食品安全管制小組裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
586.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
589.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
2021年就是107到109年 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
589.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
592.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
查這63家的油廠公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
592.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
油廠啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
595.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
自由工廠啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
595.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
他們無法提出具定期 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
601.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
召開計畫相關會議的記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
601.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
602.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
應當中內對 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
602.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
604.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
無照法律規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
604.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
606 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
無照法規規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
606 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
606.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
沒有開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
606.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
607.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
沒有檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
607.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
609.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
沒有擬定計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
609.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
610.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
第二個 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
610.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
611.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
在加工 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
611.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
614.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
食品加工的流程圖上 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
614.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
618.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
從各個原物料的驗收 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
618.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
620.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
直到運送所有步驟 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
620.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
623.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
從來沒有實際加工流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
623.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
625.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
或危害分析表的相符 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
625.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
629.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
他們所有的加工流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
629.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
630.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
跟危害分析表 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
630.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
634.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
圖表資料都不相符啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
634.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
637.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
為名列半成品或相關副產品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
637.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
639.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
相關步驟 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
639.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
641.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
然後這個研究分析特別提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
641.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
642.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
特別是 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
642.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
644.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
使用油脂工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
644.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
648.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
異於忽略靜置沉澱或暫存等過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
648.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
651.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
各廠應與製作流程圖時 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
651.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
653.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
清零作業現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
653.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
655.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
逐一確認加工步驟 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
655.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
656.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
通通沒有在管的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
656.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
658.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
658.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
658.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
第三個 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
658.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
663.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
在危害分析案重要管制點上 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
663.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
665.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
沒有在所有步驟上 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
665.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
668.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
進行危害分析啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
668.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
669.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
669.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
671.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
所有步驟都要進行危害分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
671.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
673.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
他們沒有在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
673.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
675.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
然後缺乏危害發生頻率 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
675.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
677.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
和嚴重性的佐證 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
677.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
680.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
所以計畫內容常常沒有看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
680.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
683.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
未強烈危害項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
683.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
685.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
僅以病原性的微生物啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
685.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
688.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
環境污染物質蓋誇分類 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
688.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
690 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
都沒有這個提出具 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
694 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
695.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
分析依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
695.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
698.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
辨別發生機率防治措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
698.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
699.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
沒有提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
699.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
703.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
辦定重要管制點的合理佐證 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
703.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
705.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
通通都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
705.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
706.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
只有 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
706.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
707.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
微生物啦環境污染物 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
707.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
709.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
這樣蓋誇性 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
709.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
714.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
這個是一個HACCP的工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
714.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
717.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
可以這樣子做嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
717.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
719.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
所以你們的報告還建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
719.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
722.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
要叫他們這些業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
722.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
724 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
參考衛生主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
724 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
727.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
在官網所提供的計畫範本外 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
727.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
728.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
你們還建議他們要 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
728.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
730.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
試實際作業情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
730.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
733.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
蒐集科學知識食品事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
733.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
735.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
或廠內製程記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
735.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
738.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
逐步修正計畫內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
738.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
739.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
換言之啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
739.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
740.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
實用工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
740.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
742.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
實用油紙的工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
742.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
745.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
通常只是給主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
745.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
746.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
這個交差 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
746.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
749.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
然後書面交差了 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
749.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
751.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
勸你們在這個報告裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
751.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
753.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
也沒有強烈各家工廠的實際 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
753.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
756.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
查驗起來什麼狀況啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
756.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
757.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
但是你們就知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
757.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
759.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
你們都不合格不合格啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
759.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
761.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
然後接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
761.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
764.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
建立管制界線跟監測程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
764.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
766.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
這63家 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
766.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
769 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
最核心的那幾家有廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
769 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
770.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
沒有各廠常見 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
770.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
774.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
未與現場實際作業相符 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
774.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
777.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
未與現場實際作業相符 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
777.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
779.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
他們的計畫跟作業現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
779.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
781.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
都不相符啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
781.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
785.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
缺乏驗效或佐證資料啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
785.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
787.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
精查管制界線 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
787.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
790.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
英語監測參數直接相關 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
790.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
792.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
792.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
793.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
你們還建議他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
793.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
795.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
油品過濾的步驟 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
795.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
797.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
要怎麼樣做 怎麼樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
797.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
798.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
所以你就發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
798.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
799.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
你們當時就發現 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
799.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
802.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
他們經常性的假數據作假 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
802.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
806 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
然後書面的跟實際生產的 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
806 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
808.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
完全不符合 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
808.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
811.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
2021年你們報告就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
811.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
814.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
2018年到2020年 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
814.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
818.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
你們地方政府也都知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
818.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
820.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
中央地方通通都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
820.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
823.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
這些大型的油紙工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
823.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
824.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
問題很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
824.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
826.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
造假很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
826.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
828.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
不符合規定很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
828.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
830.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
830.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
833.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
輪履行事啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
833.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
835.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
接下來大家看 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
835.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
838.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
制定矯正措施和確認系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
838.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
840.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
當監測的結果顯示 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
840.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
842.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
偏離管制界線或議長時 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
842.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
844.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
應該立即採取矯正措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
844.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
846.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
但是你看你們查場 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
846.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
848.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
沒有落實確認程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
848.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
852.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
為完整建立矯正措施或確認程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
852.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
855.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
所以這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
855.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
856.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
嚴定矯正內容的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
856.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
859.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
容易遺漏異常產品的處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
859.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
862.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
當食品因變異至違反規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
862.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
863.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
有危害健康治癒者 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
863.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
865.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
應有適當回收 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
865.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
868.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
處理銷毀的作業流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
868.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
870.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
結果都沒有落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
870.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
871.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
871.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
872.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
今天流出去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
872.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
874.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
就是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
874.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
875.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
你們早就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
875.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
876.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
876.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
879 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
在文件及紀錄管制上 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
879 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
881.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
你們的HACCP系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
881.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
883 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
883 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
884.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
包括方法標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
884.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
885.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
各種檢驗結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
885.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
887 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
都要做成書面紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
887 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
888.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
連同相關文件一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
888.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
889.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
會成為檔案 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
889.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
890.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
經查各廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
890.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
892.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
提具上開資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
892.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
896.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
都有未確實簽署及註記的日期 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
896.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
901.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
無法提具相關資料或紀錄內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
901.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
904.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
2021年的報告都早知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
904.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
907.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
他們這些油紙工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
907.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
910.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
都資料提供不全 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
910.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
912.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
沒有確實簽署 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
912.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
914.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
沒有註記日期 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
916.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
918.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
你們早就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
918.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
919.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
所以你們知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
919.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
921.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
他們文件紀錄不落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
921.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
925.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
HACCP出查符合率低於六成 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
925.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
929.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
合格率只有四成多 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
930.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
932.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
有沒有針對這個報告之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
933.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
937.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
列為後續追蹤改善的管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
937.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
940 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
有沒有不預警的抽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
940 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
942.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
有沒有回頭去查當年的缺失 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
942.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
944.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
有沒有真的持續改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
944.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
947.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
有沒有把HACCP文件紀錄不落實的 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
947.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
951.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
列為使用油紙業的高風險指標 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
951.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
952 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
952 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
952.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
952.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
953.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
953.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
956.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
謝謝委員這麼詳細的 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
956.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
958.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
把我們這個報告檢視一遍 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
958.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
959.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
那第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
959.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
962.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
這個是出查的缺失率 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
962.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
963.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
所以這每一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
963.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
966.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
其實後面都有追蹤改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
966.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
967.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
這是第一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
967.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
968.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
這個地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
968.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
970.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
你們查了三年 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
970.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
971.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
你們查了三年 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
971.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
973.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
對這個就是統計起來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
973.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
975.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
這從107到109 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
975.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
978.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
這個是比較早期的 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
978.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
979.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
所以當時候查完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
979.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
981.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
都還要去追蹤他有沒有這樣改 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
981.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
983.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
所以他都有改善的紀錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
983.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
985.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
同時把這個紀錄資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
985.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
987.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
還會交給地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
987.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
990.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
那麼再做後續的年度的追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
990.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
992.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
所以這個都有照這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
992.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
993.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
所以這個是出查 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
993.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
995.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
最好是有照這樣子做 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
995.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
997.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
從中聯油紙來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
997.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
999.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
是沒有這樣子做 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
999.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
1003 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
從中聯油紙這一次的事情來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].start |
1003 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
1006 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
從2021年報告到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
1006 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
1008.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
一樣沒有落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
1008.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
1010.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
一樣沒有改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
1010.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
1013.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
一樣只有對政府趨於偽移 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
1013.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
1014.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
哪裡有改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
1014.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
1015.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
1015.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
1017.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
從中聯油紙這個個案來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
1017.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
1019.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
有改善嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
1019.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
1021.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
冰凍三尺 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
1021.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
1023.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
非一日之寒 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
1023.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
1025.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
油紙工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
1025.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
1029.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
這一些油紙業者長期就是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
1029.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
1030.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
所以我再問你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
1030.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
1032.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
1032.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
1034.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
這個你說他有落實了 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
1034.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
1037.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
你說他有改善了 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
1037.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
1041.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
那為什麼還會發生中聯這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
1041.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
1044.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
為什麼還會發生這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
1044.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
1048.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
當然這個還有後續追蹤的頻率 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
1048.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
1049.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
這個查完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
1049.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
1053.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
當然他會對這一次的查核結果做改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
1053.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
1056.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
但是後面的年度 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
1056.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
1057.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
還是需要繼續追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
1057.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
1060.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
所以那個追蹤的程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
1060.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
1066 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
所以業者自主管理這種事情就不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
1066 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
1068.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
你這樣講之後後續要繼續追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
1068.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
1072.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
他改善給政府看完以後就不遵守了 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
1072.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
1076.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
改善是為了虛擬偽移給政府看的 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
1076.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
1080.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
你看完以後我就固態附盟 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
1080.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
1082.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
維持原狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
1082.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
1084.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
繼續擺爛 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
1084.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
1086.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
那我們來看中聯油紙 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
1086.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
1087.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
我不是要具體 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
1087.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
1090.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
只是談HACCP的這個報告而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].start |
1090.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
1093.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
我們來對應中聯油紙來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
1093.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
1095.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
你看中聯油紙7月6號 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
1095.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
1099 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
自己公布在網站上的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
1099 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
1100.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
來 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
1100.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
1101.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
他現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
1101.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
1103.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
2021 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
1103.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
1104.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
他現在2021 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
1104.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
1105.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
2022 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].start |
1105.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
1106.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
2023 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].start |
1106.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
1107.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
以及今年 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].start |
1107.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].end |
1109.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[431].text |
都出現了這個PACE |
| transcript.whisperx[432].start |
1109.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].end |
1111.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
就是多環方向拼 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].start |
1111.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].end |
1114.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
快要超過監測指標值10PPB的 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].start |
1114.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
1116.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
這一些數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
1116.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
1116.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].start |
1116.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
1119.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
美國豆都是零減出 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].start |
1119.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
1122.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
然後巴西豆都有減出 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].start |
1122.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].end |
1124.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[438].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].start |
1124.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
1127.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
111年的4月25的這個4PACE |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
1127.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
1130.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
已經達到8.7PPB |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
1130.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
1132.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
今年的4月22 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
1132.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
1134.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
那個BAP也達到1.6PPB |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
1134.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
1136.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
都是零戒指 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
1136.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
1139.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
離門檻也不很遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
1139.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
1140.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
1140.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
1141.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
他其實都看了 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
1141.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
1145.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
他自己偷偷的放上去的 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
1145.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
1147.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
那我們就看到這種狀況的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
1147.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
1151.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
你如果真的有HACCP這個制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
1151.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
1152.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
有運作 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
1152.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
1157.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
如果HACCP制度真的有運作的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
1157.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
1160.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
那我們是不是要有危害分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
1160.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
1162.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
要管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
1162.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
1165.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
然後就要有陰影的對策 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
1165.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
1167 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
然後他們有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
1167 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
1169.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
他們有做嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
1169.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
1170.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
1170.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
1171.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
原本是 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
1171.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
1173.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
把歷年的BAP |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
1173.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
1175.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
4PACE偏高的數值 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
1175.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
1178.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
納入HACCP的危害分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
1178.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
1179.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
要設定原料驗收 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
1179.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
1180.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
出油檢測 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
1180.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
1182.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
精煉脫臭 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
1182.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
1183.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
油槽管線 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
1183.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
1184.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
混批流樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
1184.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
1187.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
還有成品泛行等重要管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
1187.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
1190.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
那一旦數值反覆偏高 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
1190.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
1192.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
就要啟動原因分析加密檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
1192.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
1194.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
暫停放顯號異常矯正 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
1194.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
1197.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
但你主管機關 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].start |
1197.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
1198.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
他地方政府去稽查 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
1198.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
1201.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
也不是只有看檢驗報告是否合格 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].start |
1201.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
1204.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
還要看歷年趨勢產地批次差異 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].start |
1204.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
1206.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].text |
各重要管制點的監測數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].start |
1206.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].end |
1208.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
原料到成品各階段的變化 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].start |
1208.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
1211.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[477].text |
檢驗結果出來前是否已經出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].start |
1211.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
1215.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[478].text |
以及下游檢驗跟上游流樣是不是一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].start |
1215.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].end |
1217.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[479].text |
結果你們的HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
1217.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].end |
1219.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].text |
為什麼沒有辦法把關到這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].start |
1219.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
1220.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].start |
1221.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
1222.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].text |
為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
1222.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].end |
1223.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
這一次我們會來強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
1223.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
1225.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
改善這個HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[485].start |
1225.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].end |
1227.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[485].text |
這一次就我們都吃下去吞下去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].start |
1227.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
1229.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
你才說要 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].start |
1229.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
1231.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
這一次我們都吃下去吞下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].start |
1231.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
1233.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[488].text |
你才說你要強化才要改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].start |
1233.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].end |
1237.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
我現在是告訴你2021年就知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].start |
1237.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
1240.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
結果我們看到的HACCP制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
1240.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
1245 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
變成只是文件查核官樣文章 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].start |
1245.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
1249.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
而不是真正的風險把關的制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].start |
1250.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
1251.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
1251.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
1257.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
所以我們的HACCP變成作假的HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
1258.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
1260.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
所以對應我們來對應第一個缺失 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
1260.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
1262.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
我要分析不具體 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
1265.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
1265.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
1266.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
1268.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
這個BAP |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
1268.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
1269.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
就本偏比或者是PACE |
| transcript.whisperx[500].start |
1269.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
1271.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
PAHS |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
1271.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
1274.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
你是把它放它是都沒有分類 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
1274.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
1277.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
它把它放到環境污染物質 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
1277.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
1278.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
還是微生物 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
1279.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
1281.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
他們這一次放到哪裡去 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
1281.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
1281.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
1282.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
1284.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
你們不是有去查場了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
1284.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
1286.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
沒有特別裂項 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
1286.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
1287.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
它沒有特別裂項 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
1288.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
1291.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
它應該要裂成化學危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
1292.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
1295.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
它的每一個環節 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
1295.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
1298.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
原料儲存壓榨 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
1298.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
1299.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
精煉 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
1300.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
1303.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
油槽暫存混槽出貨放行都有可能發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
1303.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
1304.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
它很可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
1305.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
1307.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
發生污染或者是它就 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
1308.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
1310.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
檢驗都必須要落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
1310.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
1311.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
才能夠圍堵 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
1311.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
1314.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
那一個油品的流出那個風險的擴大 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
1315 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
1317.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
所以它必須很嚴重的去管制它 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
1317.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
1319.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
它絕對是一個管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
1319.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
1321.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
而且都有這些數據出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
1322.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
1325.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
結果它沒有把BAP |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
1325.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
1326.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
沒有把PACE |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
1326.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
1330.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
列為危害重要的管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
1330.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
1334.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
它連列為風險物質可能都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
1335.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
1339.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
那這個HACCP有在運作嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
1340.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
1342.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
我是要從中聯有紙來談 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
1342.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
1344.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
搞不好整個國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
1344.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
1349.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
所有食品業者的HACCP制度都是做假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
1349.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
1351.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
都是做樣子的 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
1352.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
1356.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
我們台灣中華民國的HACCP制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
1357.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
1360 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
是不是都是瓦解了 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
1360 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
1361.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
早就沒用了 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
1362.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
1364.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
好 第二個缺失我們再看 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
1364.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
1368.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
管制界線跟監測程序沒有對上現場 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
1369.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
1371.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
你的作業程序不相符 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
1371.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
1373.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
缺乏驗收或佐證資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
1373.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
1379.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
然後中聯有紙對本篇筆BAHS的監測程序是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
1381.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
1383.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
檢測出來前能不能出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
1384 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
1385.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
那它自主檢驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
1386.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
1389.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
它的管制點設在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
1389.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
1393.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
這些檢驗能不能在出貨以前發揮管制作用 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
1394.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
1396.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
還是變成產品的出貨了 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
1396.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
1397.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
報告出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
1397.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
1398.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
還繼續做 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
1398.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
1399.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
還不管報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
1400.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
1402.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
還繼續把毒油流出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
1402.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
1406.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
如果檢驗的結果不能決定放行 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
1407.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
1408.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
檢驗就不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
1409.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
1414.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
檢驗的結果不能決定管制不放行 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
1414.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
1416.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
檢驗就不是一個管制點了 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
1417.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
1420.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
檢驗成為一個管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
1420.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
1424.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
是檢驗出來有問題絕對不能繼續生產 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
1424.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
1425.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
不能出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
1426.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
1427.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
它才是一個管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
1428.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
1429.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
結果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
1430 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
1431.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
它只是一個事後資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
1431.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
1433.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
它繼續生產繼續出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
1434.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
1437.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
然後報告出來只是一個事後的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
1438 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
1442.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
這一種HACCP制度叫做HACCP嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
1443.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
1445.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
部長你自己說一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
1445.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
1448.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
台灣這一種HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
1448.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
1451.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
還叫做HACCP嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
1452.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
1453.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
1453.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
1456.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
我們這一次已經在7月份就要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
1456.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
1457.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
這些油品呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
1457.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
1459.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
上游的最上游的這一層 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
1459.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
1462.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
要逐批檢驗之後才能夠出貨 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
1462.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
1463.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
這是第一個改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
1464 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
1466.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
第二個HACCP是一個預警系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
1466.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
1468.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
就您剛剛提到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
1468.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
1469.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
它完全沒有預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
1469.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
1472.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
它不見得要等到你的下游 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
1472.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
1473.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
奧斯哥你講都沒有用 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
1473.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
1475.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
要在前端呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
1475.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
1475.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
它是一個預警系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
1475.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
1478.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
整套制度都破功 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
1478.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
1480.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
去控制它的整個製程當中的品質 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
1480.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
1481.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
我們你不要講這個理論 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
1481.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
1484.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
它的這些管制點可以去呈現出 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
1484.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
1486.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
你講的理論我們都知道啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
1486.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
1490.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
現在所有食品廠的HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
1490.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
1492.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
如果就像中聯有指 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
1492.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
1494.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
就像2021年 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
1494.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
1497.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
你們去查遍所有的油廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].start |
1497.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].end |
1498.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
所寫的報告一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
1499.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
1500.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
那我可以在這裡宣布 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
1500.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
1503.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
國家的HACCP制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].start |
1504.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
1505.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
已經不存在了 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].start |
1506.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].end |
1507.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
假的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
1507.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
1508.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
好再來 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
1509.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
1510.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
你管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
1510.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
1513.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
然後要設監測要管制界線 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
1513.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
1515.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
然後對應出來是要矯正措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
1516.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
1518.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
矯正措施大家都看到了 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
1518.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
1519.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
出問題了 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
1519.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].end |
1521.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
一定要停止生產 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
1521.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
1524 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
要回收要下架要銷毀 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
1524.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].end |
1525.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
所以怎麼看呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].start |
1525.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
1527.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
就是沒有嘛什麼都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
1527.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
1529.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
它藉著復驗還繼續生產 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].start |
1530.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
1533.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
所以第一個反應就是再驗一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].start |
1533.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
1534.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
再開會再等結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].start |
1535 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
1537.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
而那不是矯正措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].start |
1537.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
1540.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
是繼續毒害人民 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].start |
1540.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
1543.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
你這個HACCP也沒用 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
1543.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
1544.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
第四個 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
1544.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
1547.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
文件記錄不可信 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].start |
1547.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
1551 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
你這個報告就文件記錄都不可信 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
1551.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
1555.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
對照中聯有指這個案件更嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].start |
1555.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
1558.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
它不只是產品超標 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].start |
1558.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
1560.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
文件沒有確實落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].start |
1560.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
1562.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
連批號隱藏 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
1562.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
1565.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
它連檢驗結果本身都出現不一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].start |
1565.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
1568.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
它的留存的樣本 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
1568.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
1570.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
跟下游檢出的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
1570.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
1571.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
還不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].start |
1573.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
1575.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
你要怎麼去釐清污染原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
1575.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
1577.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
檢驗結果還不一致 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
1577.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
1580.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
中聯整個自主管理失靈的臨檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
1581.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
1583.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
整個制度管理的失靈的環節 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
1583.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
1586.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
都要落實到記錄上 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
1586.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
1586.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
可是 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
1587.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
1590.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
現在連記錄都造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
1590.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
1593.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
樣品都是掉包的 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
1593.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
1594.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
然後故意隱匿 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
1594.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
1596.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
而你們早就知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
1596.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
1598.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
游職場都這樣子長期造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
1599.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
1601.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
然後沒有留記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
1602.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
1604.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
記錄還是假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
1606.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
1610.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
它留的樣檢體從採樣封存保存驗送到交接 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
1610.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
1611.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
有沒有完成記錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
1611.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
1612.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
1612.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
1613.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
有沒有確實的 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
1613.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
1614.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
誠實的 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
1615 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
1616.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
這個申報 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
1616.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
1617.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
1617.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
1618.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
檢體放在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
1618.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
1619.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
有沒有掉包 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
1619.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
1620.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].start |
1621.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
1623.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
封緘編號簽收 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].start |
1623.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
1627.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
連檢體的這個狀況都搞不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].start |
1627.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
1629.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
所以你的HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
1630.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
1632.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
1633.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
1634.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
對照中聯游職來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
1635.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
1636.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
沒用 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
1637 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
1638.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
對照你的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
1638.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
1640.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
2021年的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
1640.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
1642.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
完全如出一策 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
1642.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
1644.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
沒有改善沒有改進 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
1645.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
1647.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
中聯漏報批次 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
1647.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
1649.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
也證明業者的清澈 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
1649.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
1651.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
不能直接當成事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
1651.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
1652.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
不是真實 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
1654.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
1657 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
連提供給政府的清澈都是假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
1657 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
1658.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
多麼遏止 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
1659.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
1660 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
所以在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
1661.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
1664 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
本身這些資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
1664.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
1665.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
1665.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
1666.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
你們2021年就講過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].start |
1666.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
1669.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
文件資料如果沒有被驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
1669.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
1671.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
追溯追蹤系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].start |
1671.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
1674.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
就可能只是一份業者自己填的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].start |
1674.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
1677.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
你的連追溯追蹤系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].start |
1677.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
1678.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
都不可信 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].start |
1678.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
1680.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
還什麼預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].start |
1680.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].end |
1681.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
發揮預警 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].start |
1681.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
1683.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
這是沒用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
1684.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
1686.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
它不是追溯追蹤系統而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
1686.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
1688.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
它連在你們的這個郵便 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
1688.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
1691.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
HACCP裡面都是造假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
1691.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
1692.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
數據都不真實 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
1695.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
1695.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
那我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
1696.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
1697.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
我是要講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
1698.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
1701.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
107年2018到2020 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
1702.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
1706.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
地方政府都進去查過場都知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
1707.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
1710.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
中央也跟地方一起進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
1710.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
1712.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
然後一起合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
1712.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
1714.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
一起產出這一個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
1715.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
1718.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
這個報告在開頭和結尾都提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
1718.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
1719.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
自107年起 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
1719.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
1720.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
衛福部公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
1720.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
1723.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
擴大實施食品安全管制系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
1724.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
1727.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
你們擴大了HACCP的管制系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
1727.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
1730.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].text |
食藥署聯合地方衛生局完成查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
1730.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
1732.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
食用油脂63加 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
1732.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
1736.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
為這篇研究分析報告的起頭 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
1737.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
1739.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
文章的結尾感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
1739.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
1745.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
本文稽查數據由各地方衛生局及食藥署 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
1745.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
1749.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
各區管中心同仁共同合作的成果 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
1750.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
1752.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
所以常都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
1752.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
1753.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
你們都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
1753.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
1754.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
地方政府知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
1754.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
1756.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
中央食藥署也知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
1757 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
1758.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
業者長期造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
1759.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
1762.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
業者長期在郵便加工裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
1762.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
1764.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
都是高風險 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
1764.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
1765.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
因為造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
1765.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
1767.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
沒有危害分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
1767.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
1771.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
然後也不落實該有的管制 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
1771.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
1774.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
沒有危害的管制點 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
1774.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
1776.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
然後也沒有因應的 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
1776.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
1778.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
處理的這個程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
1779 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
1780.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
長期重放 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
1780.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
1781.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
你們都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
1781.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
1783 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
可是你們長期重放 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
1783.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
1786.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
長期讓人民吃下肚 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
1787.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
1789.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
HACCP是假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
1789.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
1790.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
那人民真可憐 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
1791.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
1792.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
人民真可憐 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
1792.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
1794.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
因為政府長期都知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
1795.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
1798.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
使用油脂工廠的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
1798.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
1800 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
很嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
1802.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
1804.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
記錄不落實 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
1804.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
1805.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
危害分析不具體 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
1805.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
1807.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
矯正措施不完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
1807.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
1809.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
記錄管理都是造假 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
1811.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
1814.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
所以我們是要講 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
1814.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
1817.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
地方跟中央在那一次的 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
1817.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
1819.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
使用油脂工廠查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
1820.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
1821.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
共同完成了以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
1822.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
1824.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
然後有沒有要求地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
1824.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
1827.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
每年都要繼續查廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
1827.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
1830.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
你的HACCP廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
1830.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
1831.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
每年都要回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
1831.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
1833.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
轄內使用油脂工廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
1834.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
1836.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
HACCP的重大缺失 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
1836.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
1837.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
是不是重複發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
1837.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
1838.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
有沒有要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
1839.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
1841.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
不要說地方政府去查 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
1841.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
1842.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
一次兩次或幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
1842.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
1844.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
查什麼才是重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
1846.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
1846.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
有沒有要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
1846.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
1847.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
施耀淑 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
1848.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
1849.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
施耀淑 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
1849.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
1850.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
有沒有要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
1851.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
1852.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
你都是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
1852.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
1853.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
你們要求他們具體改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
1853.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
1854.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
你們說他改善了 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
1854.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
1856.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
每年還要進去看嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
1856.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
1857.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
有沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
1857.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
1858.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
1859.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
1860.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
跟委員說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
1860.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
1862.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
這個是因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
1862.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
1863.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
如同您剛剛提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
1863.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
1865 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
剛好是新的 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
1865.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
1867.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
這個HACCP上路的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
1867.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
1869.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
去初期去查的 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
1869.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
1871.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
所以這個後續都是要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
1871.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
1872.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
他們要去改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
1872.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
1875.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
這個按照新的HACCP標準去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
1876.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
1876.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
對啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
1876.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
1878.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
之後的紀錄就 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
1878.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
1880.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
因為各家的表現不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
1880.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
1881.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
就交由地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
1881.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
1883.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
那麼去根據他的風險程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
1883.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
1885.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
去做後續的年度追蹤 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
1885.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
1886.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
1886.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
1887.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
所以並不是所有 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
1887.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
1888.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
你們去看了 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
1888.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
1891.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
就發現普遍都是這樣的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
1891.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
1892.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
那你們有沒有要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
1892.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
1894.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
地方政府每年都要去查藏 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
1894.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
1898.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
HACCP的這一些重大的缺失 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
1898.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
1900.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
這一些重大的缺失 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
1900.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
1903.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
直指HACCP的最核心的 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
1903.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
1905.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
管制上的重點 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
1905.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
1907.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
而都沒有做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
1907.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
1908.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
所以你應該要 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
1908.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
1910.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
都要求地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
1910.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
1912.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
你去查藏的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
1912.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
1914.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
不能夠再重複發生 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
1914.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
1915.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
你應該也要在中央 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
1915.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
1916.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
要建立一套 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
1916.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
1918.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
跨縣市的共享資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].start |
1919 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
1920.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
讓中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
1920.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
1922.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
這一種大型有紙平台 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].start |
1922.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
1925.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
不是指有所在地的衛生局 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].start |
1925.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
1927.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
去單獨掌控那一些資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].start |
1927.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].end |
1929.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
每年各地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].start |
1930.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].end |
1931.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
查上來資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].start |
1931.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
1934.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
應該共同share到這個平台上 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].start |
1934.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
1936.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
大家會看到普遍的風險是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
1937.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
1939 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
跟委員說 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].start |
1939 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
1941.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
這個只要是去查藏的 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
1941.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
1943.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
那麼HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
1943.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
1946.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
被我們公告要實施HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
1946.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
1947.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
還有GHP的 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].start |
1947.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
1949.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
這個都是一定要查的 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].start |
1949.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
1951.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
你們HACCP一年查幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].start |
1951.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
1952.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
幾年查一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].start |
1952.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
1954.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
或者是一年查幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].start |
1954.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
1956.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
這個是地方在執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].start |
1956.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].end |
1957.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].text |
只要它是去查藏的 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
1957.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
1959.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
對 不管中央或地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].start |
1959.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
1961.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
到底是多久要查一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
1962.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
1964 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].text |
這每一個樣態是不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].start |
1964 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
1964.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
1965.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
1965.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].start |
1966.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
1969.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
我們公告要做HACCP的 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
1969.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
1970.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
那麼去查藏的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
1970.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
1972.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
就會查HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
1972.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
1974.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
所以才會有這些資料出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
1974.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
1975.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
所以你們只有專案的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
1975.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
1977.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
才會去查HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
1977.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
1979.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
沒有專案平台就不查 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
1979.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
1982.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
地方常規的查核就是查這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
1982.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
1985.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
它就是GHP加HACCP的查核 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].start |
1985.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
1987.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
常規的查核要多久一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].start |
1987.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
1989.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
常規的查核就要 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
1989.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
1991.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
根據它的風險不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].start |
1991.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
1993.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].start |
1993.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
1995.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
所以這一篇報告指出 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
1995.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
1996.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
也有一年的 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
1996.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
1997.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
也有比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
1997.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
1998.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
不是這一次的查 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
1998.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
2001.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
107到19年查完就沒了 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].start |
2002.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
2003.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
也不是地方完成 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
2003.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
2005.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
這個缺失的複查就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
2005.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
2009.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
中央知道整個有此產業的缺失 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
2009.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
2011.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
地方政府也知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
2011.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
2015.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
轄內業者實際造假數據 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
2015.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
2017.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
不完整的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
2017.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
2020.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
兩邊都應該要把這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
2020.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
2022.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
當成很嚴肅的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
2023.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
2025.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
結果中央跟地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
2025.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
2027.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
可能長期都知情 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
2027.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
2029.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
卻待呼職責 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
2029.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
2032.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
導致今天中聯有此 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].start |
2032.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
2034.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
這整個系統性的風暴 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
2034.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
2037.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
我現在再跟你最後一項的提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].start |
2037.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
2039.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
我最後一項的提醒是要告訴你說 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
2039.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
2043.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
整個HACCP如果是這樣子運作的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
2043.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
2045.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
不會是只有中聯 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
2045.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
2048.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].text |
也不會是只有有品的廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].start |
2049.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].end |
2052.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[836].text |
如果HACCP是照這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].start |
2052.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].end |
2054.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[837].text |
虛與偽移 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].start |
2054.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].end |
2057.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[838].text |
然後官樣文章管理的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].start |
2057.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].end |
2061.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[839].text |
整個國家的HACCP制度破功 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].start |
2061.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].end |
2064.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[840].text |
問題就很嚴重了 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].start |
2064.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].end |
2068.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[841].text |
所以你應該要由職場 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].start |
2068.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].end |
2072.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[842].text |
這個預警危害風險的控制 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].start |
2072.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].end |
2074.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[843].text |
然後事前的預防 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].start |
2074.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].end |
2076.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[844].text |
通通不但沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].start |
2076.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].end |
2078.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[845].text |
事後發生了還掩蓋 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].start |
2078.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].end |
2080.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[846].text |
然後讓我們吃更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].start |
2080.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].end |
2082.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[847].text |
這是很嚴重的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].start |
2083.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].end |
2085.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[848].text |
跟委員說明了 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].start |
2085.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].end |
2087.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
這不會是全面性 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].start |
2087.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].end |
2089.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[850].text |
因為以這個四大廠來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].start |
2089.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].end |
2091.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[851].text |
其他這個廠 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].start |
2091.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].end |
2094.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[852].text |
其實都維持一定的品質標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].start |
2094.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].end |
2096.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[853].text |
不要太早在這裡拍胸脯 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].start |
2096.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].end |
2099.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[854].text |
不要在這裡太早拍胸脯 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].start |
2099.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].end |
2101.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[855].text |
我就說過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].start |
2101.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].end |
2104.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[856].text |
業者沒有他律 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].start |
2104.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].end |
2107.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[857].text |
只有業者的自主管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].start |
2107.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].end |
2110.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[858].text |
這些數據是真是假不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].start |
2110.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].end |
2114.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[859].text |
這些樣品有沒有調包不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].start |
2114.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].end |
2116.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[860].text |
送業的是A |
| transcript.whisperx[861].start |
2116.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].end |
2118.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[861].text |
供貨給廠商 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].start |
2118.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].end |
2120.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[862].text |
下游廠商的是B |
| transcript.whisperx[863].start |
2120.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].end |
2122.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[863].text |
沒有政府介入 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].start |
2122.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].end |
2124.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[864].text |
什麼都不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].start |
2125.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].end |
2127.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[865].text |
不要在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].start |
2127.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].end |
2129.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[866].text |
太早幫業者拍胸脯 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].start |
2129.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].end |
2131.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[867].text |
我敢在這裡說 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].start |
2131.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].end |
2134.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[868].text |
業者絕對是需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].start |
2134.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].end |
2136.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[869].text |
是需要有 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].start |
2136.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].end |
2138.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[870].text |
政府去管制才會 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].start |
2138.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].end |
2140.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[871].text |
做得好的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].start |
2140.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].end |
2143.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[872].text |
所以今天是要告訴大家說 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].start |
2143.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].end |
2145.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[873].text |
HACCP制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].start |
2145.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].end |
2147.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[874].text |
你們最好是讓他 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].start |
2147.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].end |
2149.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[875].text |
真的是真的HACCP |
| transcript.whisperx[876].start |
2149.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].end |
2151.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[876].text |
不是假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].start |
2151.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].end |
2153.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[877].text |
從中聯遊子來看就是假的 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].start |
2153.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].end |
2155.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[878].text |
從2021年的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].start |
2155.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].end |
2157.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[879].text |
都知道了 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].start |
2157.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].end |
2160.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[880].text |
再對照出來你說他改善合格了 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].start |
2160.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].end |
2162.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[881].text |
都是騙人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].start |
2163.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[882].end |
2165.12 |
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這次我們在修法裡面 |
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2165.12 |
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2168.12 |
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也會針對HACCP去強化要求 |