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王世堅 @ 第11屆第5會期財政委員會第23次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:09,000 | 謝謝主席 我請財政部莊部長 |
| 00:00:09,000 | 00:00:15,000 | 委員好 |
| 00:00:15,000 | 00:00:19,000 | 部長你辛苦了 我今天兩個問題 |
| 00:00:19,000 | 00:00:24,000 | 第一個問題就是關於國票金控 |
| 00:00:24,000 | 00:00:31,000 | 國票金控是我們所有公民營金控當中 |
| 00:00:31,000 | 00:00:34,000 | 規模最小的一個 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:41,000 | 規模不但最小 它獲利也最低 |
| 00:00:41,000 | 00:00:48,000 | 但是它卻有著很奇怪的這種不當的這種人事開銷 |
| 00:00:48,000 | 00:00:53,000 | 就是說它竟然設有副董事長 |
| 00:00:53,000 | 00:00:59,000 | 而這位副董事長年薪還高達兩千萬 |
| 00:00:59,000 | 00:01:05,000 | 部長 我曾經問過說我們公股的金控 |
| 00:01:05,000 | 00:01:11,000 | 不管是台銀金 兆豐金 合庫金 第一金 華南金 |
| 00:01:11,000 | 00:01:14,000 | 人家他們的董事長 |
| 00:01:14,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 像台灣一彎金控 台銀金 |
| 00:01:20,000 | 00:01:23,000 | 董事長年薪才三百萬 |
| 00:01:23,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 就即便是第一金 華南金 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:32,000 | 人家也是大概三百萬到五百萬 |
| 00:01:32,000 | 00:01:36,000 | 而這個最小的國票金 |
| 00:01:36,000 | 00:01:42,000 | 還不是董事長喔 光副董事長就年薪兩千萬 |
| 00:01:42,000 | 00:01:44,000 | 這不是很奇怪嗎 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:53,000 | 更何況 更大的 更獲利 更高的這些大金控 |
| 00:01:53,000 | 00:01:58,000 | 都沒有設副董事長 |
| 00:01:58,000 | 00:02:04,000 | 偏偏全國公民營裡面最小的這一個 |
| 00:02:04,000 | 00:02:07,000 | 它獨獨只有它設副董事長 |
| 00:02:07,000 | 00:02:10,000 | 那你們給我的答覆是說 |
| 00:02:10,000 | 00:02:11,000 | 另外還有一個問題 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:13,000 | 還有一個問題 我就說 |
| 00:02:13,000 | 00:02:16,000 | 我們長年持有國票金 |
| 00:02:16,000 | 00:02:19,000 | 我們的股份也高過民股 是不是 |
| 00:02:19,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 要不然這樣 為了整頓它 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:29,000 | 那是不是我們公股來併掉整個國票金 |
| 00:02:29,000 | 00:02:34,000 | 那你們的答覆也是說 沒有那個計畫 沒有那個什麼 |
| 00:02:34,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 你們的答覆很簡單 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:37,000 | 你們的答覆我說 |
| 00:02:37,000 | 00:02:45,000 | 因為這個國票金非本部直屬投資事業 |
| 00:02:45,000 | 00:02:46,000 | 你就答覆說 |
| 00:02:46,000 | 00:02:49,000 | 這個不是你們直屬的投資事業 |
| 00:02:49,000 | 00:02:53,000 | 那怎麼辦 不是你直屬的投資事業 |
| 00:02:53,000 | 00:02:59,000 | 但是是由你財政部旗下的這些公股行庫 |
| 00:02:59,000 | 00:03:01,000 | 他們去持有這些股份啊 |
| 00:03:01,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 那就是當初買這些股份而已 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:07,000 | 買來不想要買什麼意思 |
| 00:03:07,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 然後現在我們股份也那麼大了 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:14,000 | 把它收回自己管 你們也不肯 |
| 00:03:14,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 那這不是很奇怪嗎 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:17,000 | 所以我首先問你就是說 |
| 00:03:17,000 | 00:03:20,000 | 為什麼要設副董事長 |
| 00:03:20,000 | 00:03:23,000 | 為什麼這麼高薪 |
| 00:03:23,000 | 00:03:25,000 | 其他金公都沒有啊 |
| 00:03:25,000 | 00:03:27,000 | 就只有它有 |
| 00:03:27,000 | 00:03:29,000 | 這不是很奇怪嗎 |
| 00:03:29,000 | 00:03:31,000 | 而且聘了這一位 |
| 00:03:31,000 | 00:03:36,000 | 並不是什麼有名的說財經學者專業的 |
| 00:03:36,000 | 00:03:38,000 | 多麼不是 |
| 00:03:38,000 | 00:03:41,000 | 竟然是 |
| 00:03:41,000 | 00:03:42,000 | 這個我就不提 |
| 00:03:42,000 | 00:03:46,000 | 那你的看法呢 |
| 00:03:46,000 | 00:03:47,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:03:47,000 | 00:03:49,000 | 有關國票金控 |
| 00:03:49,000 | 00:03:51,000 | 它有關副董事長的一個設置 |
| 00:03:51,000 | 00:03:53,000 | 第一個它在章程裡面 |
| 00:03:53,000 | 00:03:55,000 | 本身就有說 |
| 00:03:55,000 | 00:03:57,000 | Bios的設置副董事長 |
| 00:03:57,000 | 00:03:58,000 | 這個部分 |
| 00:03:58,000 | 00:03:59,000 | 然後它選任方式 |
| 00:03:59,000 | 00:04:01,000 | 也要必須依照公司法的規定 |
| 00:04:01,000 | 00:04:03,000 | 我想這個部分在章程裡面 |
| 00:04:03,000 | 00:04:05,000 | 本身它必須有相關的規範 |
| 00:04:05,000 | 00:04:08,000 | 第二個國票金是從100年開始 |
| 00:04:08,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 它就根據章程設有副董事長 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:12,000 | 而這一任的副董事長 |
| 00:04:12,000 | 00:04:14,000 | 當時的一些設置 |
| 00:04:14,000 | 00:04:15,000 | 也是經過他們公司 |
| 00:04:15,000 | 00:04:17,000 | 依照公司法的規定 |
| 00:04:17,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 經過相關的程序以後完成的 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:22,000 | 我想這個是他們公司 |
| 00:04:22,000 | 00:04:25,000 | 它現在是由我們公股在掌控的 |
| 00:04:25,000 | 00:04:27,000 | 那這個所謂的人事章程 |
| 00:04:27,000 | 00:04:29,000 | 不能更改嗎 |
| 00:04:29,000 | 00:04:31,000 | 有公股也有民股是共治的 |
| 00:04:31,000 | 00:04:33,000 | 我想這個國票金裡面 |
| 00:04:33,000 | 00:04:35,000 | 不是全部都是公股 |
| 00:04:35,000 | 00:04:36,000 | 也還有民股 |
| 00:04:36,000 | 00:04:39,000 | 但是我們公股在控制不是嗎 |
| 00:04:39,000 | 00:04:41,000 | 這裡面還有民股 |
| 00:04:41,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 那都沒辦法去更改嗎 |
| 00:04:43,000 | 00:04:45,000 | 我想這個部分目前是這樣 |
| 00:04:45,000 | 00:04:47,000 | 那後續當然會 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:49,000 | 根據他們公司經營策略的規劃 |
| 00:04:49,000 | 00:04:51,000 | 後續如果他們以公司治理的 |
| 00:04:51,000 | 00:04:53,000 | 一個規範去做處理 |
| 00:04:53,000 | 00:04:55,000 | 好吧 |
| 00:04:55,000 | 00:04:57,000 | 你說請 |
| 00:04:57,000 | 00:04:59,000 | 你就是要求他們去改善嗎 |
| 00:04:59,000 | 00:05:01,000 | 不是嗎 |
| 00:05:01,000 | 00:05:03,000 | 那要多久吧 |
| 00:05:03,000 | 00:05:05,000 | 要多久可以解決這個問題 |
| 00:05:05,000 | 00:05:07,000 | 另外我們是不是請 |
| 00:05:07,000 | 00:05:09,000 | 我們持有股份 |
| 00:05:09,000 | 00:05:11,000 | 我們像公股的兆豐金第一金 |
| 00:05:11,000 | 00:05:13,000 | 看他們願不願意來 |
| 00:05:13,000 | 00:05:15,000 | 併掉這個國票金 |
| 00:05:15,000 | 00:05:17,000 | 它有很多確實是需要 |
| 00:05:19,000 | 00:05:21,000 | 更有能力 |
| 00:05:21,000 | 00:05:23,000 | 像我們公股有這麼多 |
| 00:05:23,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 有能力的經營的那麼好的 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:27,000 | 那個 |
| 00:05:27,000 | 00:05:29,000 | 台銀金控 |
| 00:05:29,000 | 00:05:31,000 | 也可以啊 |
| 00:05:31,000 | 00:05:33,000 | 不是嗎 |
| 00:05:33,000 | 00:05:35,000 | 你看法呢 |
| 00:05:35,000 | 00:05:37,000 | 我想謝謝 |
| 00:05:37,000 | 00:05:39,000 | 當然這個公司 |
| 00:05:39,000 | 00:05:41,000 | 應該要提升 |
| 00:05:41,000 | 00:05:43,000 | 第一個要把他的公司治理 |
| 00:05:43,000 | 00:05:45,000 | 上軌道然後要提升他的 |
| 00:05:45,000 | 00:05:47,000 | 一個經營績效 |
| 00:05:47,000 | 00:05:49,000 | 那我想這個部分應該要先 |
| 00:05:49,000 | 00:05:51,000 | 去推動的 |
| 00:05:51,000 | 00:05:53,000 | 然後後續的下一步呢 |
| 00:05:53,000 | 00:05:55,000 | 我們當然要兼顧到所謂的相關的法規 |
| 00:05:55,000 | 00:05:57,000 | 市場的機制 |
| 00:05:57,000 | 00:05:59,000 | 還有員工的權益都必須要去考慮到 |
| 00:05:59,000 | 00:06:01,000 | 那我想委員這個建議 |
| 00:06:01,000 | 00:06:03,000 | 我們也會納入演繹 |
| 00:06:03,000 | 00:06:05,000 | 然後另外我想我跟委員報告 |
| 00:06:05,000 | 00:06:07,000 | 其實在公股的部分提升 |
| 00:06:07,000 | 00:06:09,000 | 經營績效我們目前來說 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:11,000 | 有釋迦金控的投信會在 |
| 00:06:11,000 | 00:06:13,000 | 已經在推動所謂的 |
| 00:06:13,000 | 00:06:15,000 | 我們把它合併然後併為 |
| 00:06:15,000 | 00:06:17,000 | 一個然後讓這個市場的 |
| 00:06:17,000 | 00:06:19,000 | 規模可以更大 |
| 00:06:19,000 | 00:06:21,000 | 那現在這個公司在做推動的 |
| 00:06:21,000 | 00:06:23,000 | 那國票金未來我們先把公司治理 |
| 00:06:23,000 | 00:06:25,000 | 讓上軌道然後提升他的營運績效 |
| 00:06:25,000 | 00:06:27,000 | 是 |
| 00:06:27,000 | 00:06:29,000 | 一併考量啦 |
| 00:06:29,000 | 00:06:31,000 | 因為國票金 |
| 00:06:31,000 | 00:06:33,000 | 還有其他出的狀況 |
| 00:06:33,000 | 00:06:35,000 | 我今天是來不及 |
| 00:06:35,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 敘述 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:39,000 | 那我覺得乾脆避其公於一意 |
| 00:06:39,000 | 00:06:41,000 | 那就是由 |
| 00:06:41,000 | 00:06:43,000 | 我們找我們公股的行戶 |
| 00:06:43,000 | 00:06:45,000 | 既然我們現在股份 |
| 00:06:45,000 | 00:06:47,000 | 已經高於民股 |
| 00:06:47,000 | 00:06:49,000 | 那乾脆就由我們把它合併 |
| 00:06:49,000 | 00:06:51,000 | 因為很清楚當初 |
| 00:06:51,000 | 00:06:53,000 | 副董事長這樣的職務 |
| 00:06:53,000 | 00:06:55,000 | 完全是 |
| 00:06:55,000 | 00:06:57,000 | 百分之百的酬庸 |
| 00:06:57,000 | 00:06:59,000 | 他的工作只有是 |
| 00:06:59,000 | 00:07:01,000 | 董事長因故不能執行職務 |
| 00:07:01,000 | 00:07:03,000 | 那個副董事長來代理 |
| 00:07:03,000 | 00:07:05,000 | 那麼 |
| 00:07:05,000 | 00:07:07,000 | 舉凡那麼多年的經營 |
| 00:07:07,000 | 00:07:09,000 | 裡面那董事長 |
| 00:07:09,000 | 00:07:11,000 | 不能視察實務那個事實上 |
| 00:07:11,000 | 00:07:13,000 | 根本沒幾次 |
| 00:07:13,000 | 00:07:15,000 | 而且台北市就 |
| 00:07:15,000 | 00:07:17,000 | 這麼一丁點大他公司就在 |
| 00:07:17,000 | 00:07:19,000 | 台北市有什麼 |
| 00:07:19,000 | 00:07:21,000 | 需要說副董事長代轉 |
| 00:07:21,000 | 00:07:23,000 | 給董事長的然後年薪 |
| 00:07:23,000 | 00:07:25,000 | 是兩千萬這看在 |
| 00:07:25,000 | 00:07:27,000 | 所有不管是公營行戶 |
| 00:07:27,000 | 00:07:29,000 | 民營行戶 |
| 00:07:29,000 | 00:07:31,000 | 裡面這個都不成提統 |
| 00:07:31,000 | 00:07:33,000 | 好不好 |
| 00:07:33,000 | 00:07:35,000 | 謝謝謝謝我不能說 |
| 00:07:35,000 | 00:07:37,000 | 這個不是你們直屬的 |
| 00:07:37,000 | 00:07:39,000 | 這個投資不能這樣 |
| 00:07:39,000 | 00:07:41,000 | 因為他畢竟 |
| 00:07:41,000 | 00:07:43,000 | 他畢竟是你 |
| 00:07:43,000 | 00:07:45,000 | 旗下公股行戶 |
| 00:07:45,000 | 00:07:47,000 | 他們去持股的好不好 |
| 00:07:47,000 | 00:07:49,000 | 我們會積極的 |
| 00:07:49,000 | 00:07:51,000 | 我們時間內就要迎來 |
| 00:07:51,000 | 00:07:53,000 | 現在新青安 |
| 00:07:53,000 | 00:07:55,000 | 的3.0版然後 |
| 00:07:55,000 | 00:07:57,000 | 這是非常好的一件事情 |
| 00:07:57,000 | 00:07:59,000 | 我看民間 |
| 00:07:59,000 | 00:08:01,000 | 那個很多民間 |
| 00:08:01,000 | 00:08:03,000 | 要購屋者他們都 |
| 00:08:03,000 | 00:08:05,000 | 因應期盼尤其是青年 |
| 00:08:05,000 | 00:08:07,000 | 購屋族啦不過這個 |
| 00:08:07,000 | 00:08:09,000 | 部長 |
| 00:08:09,000 | 00:08:11,000 | 我們在限制說 |
| 00:08:11,000 | 00:08:13,000 | 青安貸款 |
| 00:08:13,000 | 00:08:15,000 | 現在額度一樣就是一千萬 |
| 00:08:15,000 | 00:08:17,000 | 那我們有加分玉宅加兩百萬 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:19,000 | 那玉兒宅 |
| 00:08:19,000 | 00:08:21,000 | 可以到一千五百萬 |
| 00:08:21,000 | 00:08:23,000 | 但是 |
| 00:08:23,000 | 00:08:25,000 | 在台北市的部分 |
| 00:08:25,000 | 00:08:27,000 | 我覺得有這兩個問題 |
| 00:08:27,000 | 00:08:29,000 | 滿傷腦筋的啦就是說 |
| 00:08:29,000 | 00:08:31,000 | 你所得上限 |
| 00:08:31,000 | 00:08:33,000 | 那你限 |
| 00:08:33,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 兩百萬 |
| 00:08:35,000 | 00:08:37,000 | 還有我們貸款的 |
| 00:08:37,000 | 00:08:39,000 | 總額度雖然有 |
| 00:08:39,000 | 00:08:41,000 | 越高於其他縣市 |
| 00:08:41,000 | 00:08:43,000 | 但是台北市的 |
| 00:08:43,000 | 00:08:45,000 | 房價 |
| 00:08:45,000 | 00:08:47,000 | 那麼待會您可以看列出來的 |
| 00:08:47,000 | 00:08:49,000 | 很多的地方多數地方 |
| 00:08:49,000 | 00:08:51,000 | 平均價格幾乎 |
| 00:08:51,000 | 00:08:53,000 | 是外縣市的 |
| 00:08:53,000 | 00:08:55,000 | 兩倍甚至是 |
| 00:08:55,000 | 00:08:57,000 | 中南部的三倍之多 |
| 00:08:57,000 | 00:08:59,000 | 你看 |
| 00:08:59,000 | 00:09:01,000 | 六都房屋 |
| 00:09:01,000 | 00:09:03,000 | 每坪成交價 |
| 00:09:03,000 | 00:09:05,000 | 不管新舊屋平均下來 |
| 00:09:05,000 | 00:09:07,000 | 台北市是81萬8 |
| 00:09:07,000 | 00:09:09,000 | 新北市45萬2 |
| 00:09:11,000 | 00:09:13,000 | 等於將近兩倍之高 |
| 00:09:13,000 | 00:09:15,000 | 那如果說跟 |
| 00:09:15,000 | 00:09:17,000 | 桃園台中 |
| 00:09:17,000 | 00:09:19,000 | 相比 |
| 00:09:19,000 | 00:09:21,000 | 那等於是將近三倍 |
| 00:09:21,000 | 00:09:23,000 | 所以那你 |
| 00:09:23,000 | 00:09:25,000 | 增加給他能夠的貸款的額度 |
| 00:09:25,000 | 00:09:27,000 | 就多那麼一點點 |
| 00:09:27,000 | 00:09:29,000 | 那這個額度是不是 |
| 00:09:29,000 | 00:09:31,000 | 可以適度再提高 |
| 00:09:31,000 | 00:09:33,000 | 否則同樣的 |
| 00:09:33,000 | 00:09:35,000 | 額度 |
| 00:09:35,000 | 00:09:37,000 | 同樣你們設限 |
| 00:09:37,000 | 00:09:39,000 | 貸款的總金額 |
| 00:09:39,000 | 00:09:41,000 | 那麼在台北買的 |
| 00:09:41,000 | 00:09:43,000 | 大概就是只能買個小套房 |
| 00:09:43,000 | 00:09:45,000 | 沒辦法家裡 |
| 00:09:45,000 | 00:09:47,000 | 別說三代同堂了啦 |
| 00:09:47,000 | 00:09:49,000 | 要這個生兒育兒 |
| 00:09:49,000 | 00:09:51,000 | 兩代住一起都困難 |
| 00:09:51,000 | 00:09:53,000 | 那另外一點就是說 |
| 00:09:53,000 | 00:09:55,000 | 關於婚禦宅 |
| 00:09:55,000 | 00:09:57,000 | 你們有增加 |
| 00:09:57,000 | 00:09:59,000 | 他200萬的額度 |
| 00:09:59,000 | 00:10:01,000 | 貸款額度 |
| 00:10:01,000 | 00:10:03,000 | 那育兒宅增加到500萬 |
| 00:10:03,000 | 00:10:05,000 | 又增加300萬 |
| 00:10:05,000 | 00:10:07,000 | 但是 |
| 00:10:07,000 | 00:10:09,000 | 寬限期啦 |
| 00:10:09,000 | 00:10:11,000 | 我們就指 |
| 00:10:11,000 | 00:10:13,000 | 比方說我們比方一對 |
| 00:10:13,000 | 00:10:15,000 | 年輕的夫妻要結婚 |
| 00:10:15,000 | 00:10:17,000 | 他來買這樣子的 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:19,000 | 育兒宅 |
| 00:10:19,000 | 00:10:21,000 | 以這個名義來買 |
| 00:10:21,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 新婚那一年 |
| 00:10:23,000 | 00:10:25,000 | 懷孕生小孩 |
| 00:10:25,000 | 00:10:27,000 | 那小孩六歲 |
| 00:10:27,000 | 00:10:29,000 | 以前最需要照顧 |
| 00:10:29,000 | 00:10:31,000 | 花費也最多這樣加 |
| 00:10:31,000 | 00:10:33,000 | 加起來也要七年啊 |
| 00:10:33,000 | 00:10:35,000 | 所以我認為說 |
| 00:10:35,000 | 00:10:37,000 | 我們如果硬性 |
| 00:10:37,000 | 00:10:39,000 | 規定只能五年 |
| 00:10:39,000 | 00:10:41,000 | 比照一般都是五年 |
| 00:10:41,000 | 00:10:43,000 | 我們將是為得不足啦 |
| 00:10:43,000 | 00:10:45,000 | 所以我認為說 |
| 00:10:45,000 | 00:10:47,000 | 就不差那麼一點 |
| 00:10:47,000 | 00:10:49,000 | 應該真正要育兒的 |
| 00:10:49,000 | 00:10:51,000 | 新婚夫妻 |
| 00:10:51,000 | 00:10:53,000 | 是不是我們應該放寬 |
| 00:10:53,000 | 00:10:55,000 | 這個寬限期 |
| 00:10:55,000 | 00:10:57,000 | 把五年再放寬兩年 |
| 00:10:57,000 | 00:10:59,000 | 因為這是比較 |
| 00:10:59,000 | 00:11:01,000 | 現在我們少子化 |
| 00:11:01,000 | 00:11:03,000 | 已經少子化到 |
| 00:11:03,000 | 00:11:05,000 | 非常嚴重的國安問題啦 |
| 00:11:05,000 | 00:11:07,000 | 好不好 |
| 00:11:07,000 | 00:11:09,000 | 指教 |
| 00:11:09,000 | 00:11:11,000 | 我想這個我們3.0是經過多次會議 |
| 00:11:11,000 | 00:11:13,000 | 討論結果 |
| 00:11:13,000 | 00:11:15,000 | 那您剛剛提到婚育宅的寬限期 |
| 00:11:15,000 | 00:11:17,000 | 我想剛剛 |
| 00:11:17,000 | 00:11:19,000 | 我們也提到就是說其實對於 |
| 00:11:19,000 | 00:11:21,000 | 少子化這個問題政府是整套 |
| 00:11:21,000 | 00:11:23,000 | 政策在做的 |
| 00:11:23,000 | 00:11:25,000 | 所以我們有一個人口對策的新戰略 |
| 00:11:25,000 | 00:11:27,000 | 裡面包含對育兒家庭的公托 |
| 00:11:27,000 | 00:11:29,000 | 然後托育補助育兒補助 |
| 00:11:29,000 | 00:11:31,000 | 以及成長經貼 |
| 00:11:31,000 | 00:11:33,000 | 是有許多用現金直接給予補助的 |
| 00:11:33,000 | 00:11:35,000 | 好我想這個部分 |
| 00:11:35,000 | 00:11:37,000 | 可以強化他們的 |
| 00:11:37,000 | 00:11:39,000 | 你回去好好研究 |
| 00:11:39,000 | 00:11:41,000 | 差那兩年差非常多 |
| 00:11:41,000 | 00:11:43,000 | 這個也要考慮他們的 |
| 00:11:43,000 | 00:11:45,000 | 如果 |
| 00:11:45,000 | 00:11:47,000 | 有辦法團圍審核條件 |
| 00:11:47,000 | 00:11:49,000 | 來貸款到的 |
| 00:11:49,000 | 00:11:51,000 | 他們也都有 |
| 00:11:51,000 | 00:11:53,000 | 償還能力 |
| 00:11:53,000 | 00:11:55,000 | 不差那兩年的寬限期 |
| 00:11:55,000 | 00:11:57,000 | 好請財政部 |
| 00:11:57,000 | 00:11:59,000 | 研究完之後再跟王委員 |
| 00:11:59,000 | 00:12:01,000 | 書面報告 |
| 00:12:01,000 | 00:12:03,000 | 我們也書面報告謝謝委員指教 |
| 00:12:03,000 | 00:12:05,000 | 下一位 |
| 00:12:05,000 | 00:12:07,000 | 請羅明財委員諮詢 |