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賴士葆 @ 第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第28次全體委員會議

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00:00:00,000 00:00:03,000 謝謝主席以及各位先進
00:00:03,000 00:00:05,000 有請外交部的林部長
00:00:05,000 00:00:07,000 請林部長
00:00:13,000 00:00:14,000 委員好
00:00:14,000 00:00:16,000 部長你好 辛苦了
00:00:16,000 00:00:18,000 這樣總來總去
00:00:18,000 00:00:21,000 我們現在在審預算期間
00:00:21,000 00:00:22,000
00:00:22,000 00:00:25,000 有一項 我覺得百思不得其解
00:00:25,000 00:00:27,000 你現在這樣開會
00:00:27,000 00:00:28,000 開會那裡開會
00:00:28,000 00:00:31,000 國際會議及交流
00:00:31,000 00:00:35,000 編的預算居然編的快要10億
00:00:35,000 00:00:38,000 比去年增加了7億多
00:00:38,000 00:00:41,000 成長2.5倍
00:00:41,000 00:00:44,000 拜託你也稍微說明一下是怎樣
00:00:44,000 00:00:45,000 開會
00:00:45,000 00:00:47,000 那個叫協助
00:00:47,000 00:00:50,000 各種的國際交流活動
00:00:50,000 00:00:51,000 是怎樣
00:00:51,000 00:00:52,000 是去
00:00:52,000 00:00:54,000 等個五星期 六星期 七星期
00:00:54,000 00:00:56,000 國際會議去開
00:00:56,000 00:00:57,000 還是怎樣
00:00:57,000 00:00:58,000 大家吃特別好
00:00:58,000 00:00:59,000 還是都坐頭等艙
00:00:59,000 00:01:00,000 還是怎樣
00:01:00,000 00:01:02,000 為什麼成長2.5倍
00:01:02,000 00:01:03,000 這筆錢為什麼這麼多
00:01:03,000 00:01:05,000 要砍啦
00:01:05,000 00:01:06,000 報告委員
00:01:06,000 00:01:08,000 台灣現在在國際上越來越重要
00:01:08,000 00:01:09,000 大家都想跟我們來往
00:01:09,000 00:01:12,000 你看我們現在這個GDP已經是G20
00:01:12,000 00:01:14,000 我們那個股市G7
00:01:14,000 00:01:15,000 所以大家想跟我們來往
00:01:15,000 00:01:17,000 我們當然要開大門
00:01:17,000 00:01:19,000 讓大家跟我們雙向的
00:01:19,000 00:01:20,000 他來我們去
00:01:20,000 00:01:22,000 不只是所謂的會議
00:01:22,000 00:01:23,000 這有很多交流
00:01:23,000 00:01:24,000 我們有農幫計畫
00:01:24,000 00:01:25,000 來來來
00:01:25,000 00:01:27,000 國際交流活動
00:01:27,000 00:01:28,000 我還想說這
00:01:28,000 00:01:29,000 而且是什麼
00:01:29,000 00:01:31,000 是國際會議
00:01:31,000 00:01:33,000 開會來交流
00:01:33,000 00:01:34,000 開會
00:01:34,000 00:01:35,000 開會
00:01:35,000 00:01:37,000 大家想到就是場地
00:01:37,000 00:01:39,000 然後什麼人出席
00:01:39,000 00:01:40,000 為什麼大家都這樣
00:01:40,000 00:01:41,000 這開到
00:01:41,000 00:01:43,000 為什麼要貴這麼多
00:01:43,000 00:01:45,000 有來講一下
00:01:45,000 00:01:46,000 有啦
00:01:46,000 00:01:48,000 新增加的有沒有
00:01:48,000 00:01:49,000 報告委員
00:01:49,000 00:01:51,000 像我農幫計畫就有八大旗艦
00:01:51,000 00:01:53,000 半導體供應鏈韌性
00:01:53,000 00:01:55,000 可信賴網路與市會的處理
00:01:55,000 00:01:57,000 新能源與探全合作
00:01:57,000 00:01:58,000 這個很多
00:01:58,000 00:01:59,000 很多是經濟部的可以做的
00:01:59,000 00:02:00,000 智慧醫療與健康產業
00:02:00,000 00:02:01,000 智慧新農業
00:02:01,000 00:02:03,000 永續觀光跟主權愛愛
00:02:03,000 00:02:04,000 八大旗艦計畫
00:02:04,000 00:02:06,000 這些都是我們現在拿的出來
00:02:06,000 00:02:07,000 跟人家交流開會
00:02:07,000 00:02:08,000 還有合作
00:02:08,000 00:02:11,000 你不開會怎麼樣合作投資
00:02:11,000 00:02:12,000 好啦你現在
00:02:12,000 00:02:14,000 反正我要看你這批醫生就對了
00:02:14,000 00:02:16,000 報告委員手下留情
00:02:16,000 00:02:17,000 砍多少再說
00:02:17,000 00:02:18,000 我一定要砍
00:02:18,000 00:02:20,000 因為這個太離譜了
00:02:20,000 00:02:22,000 增加2.5倍
00:02:22,000 00:02:23,000 夭壽喔
00:02:23,000 00:02:24,000 這這樣實在是這樣
00:02:24,000 00:02:25,000 大家你看
00:02:25,000 00:02:26,000 你看你們的觀點
00:02:26,000 00:02:27,000 有人就搖頭
00:02:27,000 00:02:28,000 沒有啦他們
00:02:28,000 00:02:29,000 他們在點頭
00:02:29,000 00:02:30,000 你看他們都在點頭
00:02:30,000 00:02:31,000 我看了好幾個搖頭
00:02:31,000 00:02:33,000 我看了好幾個搖頭
00:02:33,000 00:02:35,000 他們認不認得我的話
00:02:35,000 00:02:37,000 太離譜啦
00:02:37,000 00:02:38,000 太離譜啦
00:02:38,000 00:02:39,000 這個
00:02:39,000 00:02:40,000 報告委員
00:02:40,000 00:02:41,000 外交走不出去
00:02:41,000 00:02:43,000 是國家的福氣嘛
00:02:43,000 00:02:44,000 你給我
00:02:44,000 00:02:45,000 現在走不出去
00:02:45,000 00:02:47,000 來你給我那個細節好不好
00:02:47,000 00:02:48,000 細節
00:02:48,000 00:02:49,000 我們待會補給委員
00:02:49,000 00:02:50,000 等一下補資料
00:02:50,000 00:02:52,000 來我現在關心的是今天的題目
00:02:52,000 00:02:53,000 其實報告委員
00:02:53,000 00:02:55,000 我們外交國安委員都很支持
00:02:55,000 00:02:57,000 太沒有道理了
00:02:57,000 00:02:58,000 這個東西增加7億
00:02:58,000 00:02:59,000 就不得了啦
00:02:59,000 00:03:01,000 增加7億是要怎麼開會
00:03:01,000 00:03:02,000 一定到我們的
00:03:02,000 00:03:03,000 你像我們中東歐公運鏈
00:03:03,000 00:03:04,000 任性2.0
00:03:04,000 00:03:06,000 我們現在加上波瀾
00:03:06,000 00:03:07,000 我們現在
00:03:07,000 00:03:08,000 好啦好啦
00:03:08,000 00:03:09,000 這個事情就不講了
00:03:09,000 00:03:10,000
00:03:10,000 00:03:11,000 我就跟你講說這個太離譜
00:03:11,000 00:03:12,000
00:03:12,000 00:03:14,000 增加7億開會
00:03:14,000 00:03:15,000 增加7億
00:03:15,000 00:03:17,000 不知道開什麼會啦
00:03:17,000 00:03:18,000 增加7億
00:03:18,000 00:03:19,000 增加2.5倍
00:03:19,000 00:03:20,000 2.5倍
00:03:20,000 00:03:21,000 看不懂啦
00:03:21,000 00:03:22,000 來不及了
00:03:22,000 00:03:23,000 來來來來
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00:03:24,000 00:03:25,000 太平島
00:03:25,000 00:03:26,000 明明是島
00:03:26,000 00:03:28,000 為什麼不敢捍衛主權
00:03:28,000 00:03:31,000 日本的蔥之鳥鳥
00:03:31,000 00:03:33,000 小小聲打打命這樣
00:03:33,000 00:03:35,000 結果日本就說是島
00:03:35,000 00:03:38,000 這個就道地的雙標
00:03:38,000 00:03:40,000 結果我們呢
00:03:40,000 00:03:42,000 就歸索
00:03:42,000 00:03:43,000 你剛才一直說
00:03:43,000 00:03:45,000 海心屬有趣
00:03:45,000 00:03:47,000 層級太低啦
00:03:47,000 00:03:48,000 不要忘了
00:03:48,000 00:03:50,000 第一個登上太平島的
00:03:50,000 00:03:54,000 是民進黨執政的陳水扁總統
00:03:54,000 00:03:55,000 第一位
00:03:55,000 00:03:57,000 馬英九是第二位
00:03:57,000 00:03:58,000 蔡英文都不敢去
00:03:58,000 00:03:59,000 我們就想不到
00:03:59,000 00:04:01,000 為什麼蔡英文膽子這麼小
00:04:01,000 00:04:03,000 有外面說法是因為
00:04:03,000 00:04:06,000 美國反對我們的國家元素
00:04:06,000 00:04:07,000 登島
00:04:07,000 00:04:09,000 因為這位置
00:04:09,000 00:04:10,000 沒有耶
00:04:10,000 00:04:11,000
00:04:11,000 00:04:12,000 沒有啊
00:04:12,000 00:04:13,000 有去過啊
00:04:13,000 00:04:14,000 什麼有去過
00:04:14,000 00:04:15,000 沒有啊
00:04:15,000 00:04:16,000 你執政
00:04:16,000 00:04:19,000 賴清德到現在為止沒有去過啊
00:04:19,000 00:04:20,000 怎麼會有去過呢
00:04:20,000 00:04:21,000 哪裡有去過
00:04:21,000 00:04:22,000 沒有啊
00:04:22,000 00:04:23,000 怎麼有
00:04:23,000 00:04:24,000 我們國家有去過啊
00:04:24,000 00:04:25,000 誰誰去過
00:04:25,000 00:04:26,000 你剛講過陳水扁總統
00:04:26,000 00:04:27,000 我那時候是總統
00:04:27,000 00:04:28,000 我們互利之道
00:04:28,000 00:04:29,000 那很久以前
00:04:29,000 00:04:30,000 我都跟他一起去
00:04:30,000 00:04:31,000 那2008年
00:04:31,000 00:04:32,000 把他給殺倒
00:04:32,000 00:04:33,000 2008
00:04:33,000 00:04:34,000 那後來
00:04:34,000 00:04:36,000 為什麼你們執政了10年
00:04:36,000 00:04:37,000 都不敢去
00:04:37,000 00:04:38,000 馬英九去囉
00:04:38,000 00:04:40,000 馬英九實際講什麼
00:04:40,000 00:04:41,000 他召開國安會議
00:04:41,000 00:04:42,000 強調
00:04:42,000 00:04:43,000
00:04:43,000 00:04:44,000 不知道
00:04:44,000 00:04:45,000 他講的是蔥之鳥
00:04:45,000 00:04:46,000 然後呢
00:04:46,000 00:04:47,000 因為日本
00:04:47,000 00:04:50,000 硬要說蔥之鳥叫做島
00:04:50,000 00:04:52,000 他就有經濟海域
00:04:52,000 00:04:53,000 200海浬
00:04:53,000 00:04:54,000 然後
00:04:54,000 00:04:56,000 召見日本駐台大使
00:04:56,000 00:04:57,000 表達抗議
00:04:57,000 00:05:00,000 在華爾街日報投書
00:05:00,000 00:05:01,000 強調
00:05:01,000 00:05:05,000 一據聯合國海洋公約121條
00:05:05,000 00:05:07,000 講得這麼清楚
00:05:07,000 00:05:09,000 馬英九那時候是多強硬啊
00:05:09,000 00:05:10,000 相比現在
00:05:10,000 00:05:13,000 賴清德是多麼的軟弱
00:05:13,000 00:05:14,000 因為
00:05:14,000 00:05:15,000 看到日本
00:05:15,000 00:05:17,000 他又一向崇拜日本的
00:05:17,000 00:05:18,000 賴清德總統
00:05:18,000 00:05:20,000 就鬼說啦
00:05:20,000 00:05:21,000 點這事
00:05:21,000 00:05:22,000 到現在為止
00:05:22,000 00:05:23,000 你也不敢講話
00:05:23,000 00:05:24,000 對不對
00:05:24,000 00:05:25,000 你敢講說
00:05:25,000 00:05:26,000 有啊太平島是島啊
00:05:26,000 00:05:27,000 不然怎麼叫太平島
00:05:27,000 00:05:28,000 什麼東西
00:05:28,000 00:05:29,000 太平島當然是島啊
00:05:29,000 00:05:30,000 怎麼叫太平島
00:05:30,000 00:05:33,000 我們來中拆你還不抗議一下
00:05:33,000 00:05:34,000 對啊我表示啊
00:05:34,000 00:05:35,000 我們的立場啊
00:05:35,000 00:05:36,000 我跟你講一個很重要的
00:05:36,000 00:05:37,000 我們不接受
00:05:37,000 00:05:38,000 把這個我們的太平島
00:05:38,000 00:05:39,000 變成什麼其他什麼
00:05:39,000 00:05:41,000 鳥或鳥或什麼之類的
00:05:41,000 00:05:43,000 我跟你講什麼鳥什麼叫
00:05:43,000 00:05:46,000 這個東西部長啊
00:05:46,000 00:05:47,000 有一個東西現象
00:05:47,000 00:05:49,000 你要記住喔
00:05:49,000 00:05:51,000 當菲律賓跟日本
00:05:51,000 00:05:53,000 化進去海域的時候
00:05:53,000 00:05:54,000 把台灣化進去
00:05:54,000 00:05:55,000 我們點這事
00:05:55,000 00:05:57,000 沒有喔我有發聲啊
00:05:57,000 00:05:58,000 講話啊
00:05:58,000 00:05:59,000 你有發聲不夠啦
00:05:59,000 00:06:00,000 要有動作
00:06:00,000 00:06:01,000 醒出來
00:06:01,000 00:06:04,000 結果老共就來了
00:06:04,000 00:06:06,000 他本來就在那邊找藉口的
00:06:06,000 00:06:08,000 他本來就在那邊好久了
00:06:08,000 00:06:09,000 你不會那麼興奮
00:06:09,000 00:06:10,000 你不會那麼興奮
00:06:10,000 00:06:11,000 你提了老共就那麼興奮
00:06:11,000 00:06:13,000 你看大聲在那邊咬你娘
00:06:13,000 00:06:15,000 日本你不敢大聲
00:06:15,000 00:06:16,000 美國不敢大聲
00:06:16,000 00:06:17,000 對著老共大聲
00:06:17,000 00:06:18,000 因為你知道有病喔
00:06:18,000 00:06:20,000 這個我們都理解
00:06:20,000 00:06:21,000 沒關係
00:06:21,000 00:06:22,000 我們都理解喔
00:06:22,000 00:06:23,000 有選票啦
00:06:23,000 00:06:24,000 你知道
00:06:24,000 00:06:25,000 你罵老共就有選票
00:06:25,000 00:06:26,000 大家都知道喔
00:06:26,000 00:06:29,000 但是我們要就事論事
00:06:29,000 00:06:31,000 當我們對東海
00:06:31,000 00:06:33,000 南海這一些東西
00:06:33,000 00:06:34,000 台灣不站出來
00:06:34,000 00:06:35,000 老共就出來了
00:06:35,000 00:06:37,000 老共就出來了
00:06:37,000 00:06:39,000 所以你等於自我限縮
00:06:39,000 00:06:41,000 讓台灣現在的我們的
00:06:41,000 00:06:44,000 我們的這個福地就越來越小
00:06:44,000 00:06:45,000 越來越小
00:06:45,000 00:06:46,000 變這個樣子
00:06:46,000 00:06:47,000 南海也是一樣
00:06:47,000 00:06:48,000 太平島也是一樣
00:06:48,000 00:06:49,000 你不來
00:06:49,000 00:06:51,000 就老共就來了
00:06:51,000 00:06:53,000 經濟海域到東岸
00:06:53,000 00:06:54,000 老共就來了
00:06:54,000 00:06:57,000 這個明天這麼清楚的現象
00:06:57,000 00:07:00,000 所以當賴清的總統
00:07:00,000 00:07:02,000 不敢去等太平島的時候
00:07:02,000 00:07:03,000 老共就來了
00:07:03,000 00:07:05,000 為什麼老共現在跟菲律賓
00:07:05,000 00:07:06,000 你剛剛講了一句話喔
00:07:06,000 00:07:08,000 你要不要講具體一點
00:07:08,000 00:07:10,000 會擦槍走狐嗎
00:07:10,000 00:07:11,000 老共跟菲律賓
00:07:11,000 00:07:13,000 我跟菲律賓報告喔
00:07:13,000 00:07:15,000 是不是經濟學人在五年多前
00:07:15,000 00:07:17,000 就講台灣是地表最危險的地方
00:07:17,000 00:07:18,000
00:07:18,000 00:07:20,000 結果後來發生了二日戰爭
00:07:20,000 00:07:21,000 發生了以哈戰爭
00:07:21,000 00:07:24,000 發生了這個中東的戰爭嘛
00:07:24,000 00:07:26,000 那我是說確實在國際上
00:07:26,000 00:07:28,000 台海雖然緊張
00:07:28,000 00:07:30,000 其實台灣的應處
00:07:30,000 00:07:31,000 我們對中共破壞現狀
00:07:31,000 00:07:33,000 我們是在捍衛嘛
00:07:33,000 00:07:34,000 但是呢
00:07:34,000 00:07:36,000 你看現在在南海
00:07:36,000 00:07:38,000 稍微一不小心
00:07:38,000 00:07:40,000 因為這個厲害關係人太多了
00:07:40,000 00:07:41,000 有可能會吐槽
00:07:41,000 00:07:42,000 有可能擦槍走狐
00:07:42,000 00:07:44,000 你看有時候水柱現在又棒子
00:07:44,000 00:07:46,000 然後有時候武器
00:07:46,000 00:07:48,000 其他的這些都有可能
00:07:48,000 00:07:50,000 所以我們也密切關注
00:07:50,000 00:07:52,000 因為這個也會影響到我們
00:07:52,000 00:07:54,000 其實台海東海
00:07:54,000 00:07:55,000 不要再用其他的台語
00:07:55,000 00:07:56,000 其實
00:07:56,000 00:07:58,000 當你在這裡
00:07:58,000 00:07:59,000 回到我的時候
00:07:59,000 00:08:00,000 有講了一句話
00:08:00,000 00:08:03,000 說高士早苗講的
00:08:03,000 00:08:04,000 講的話
00:08:04,000 00:08:07,000 台灣有事日本有事類似的
00:08:07,000 00:08:09,000 中日關係會不好一整年
00:08:09,000 00:08:11,000 我看起來你講對的
00:08:11,000 00:08:12,000 一年對不對
00:08:12,000 00:08:13,000 一年以上
00:08:13,000 00:08:15,000 到目前為止沒有好轉
00:08:15,000 00:08:17,000 所以這個是你講對的
00:08:17,000 00:08:18,000 那現在呢
00:08:18,000 00:08:20,000 我也很擔心你講對
00:08:20,000 00:08:24,000 這個中國大陸跟菲律賓會打起來
00:08:24,000 00:08:25,000 會不會打起來
00:08:25,000 00:08:26,000 這不是我的看法
00:08:26,000 00:08:28,000 這是國際觀察家
00:08:28,000 00:08:29,000 還有一些政府
00:08:29,000 00:08:30,000 大家其中密切的注意
00:08:30,000 00:08:32,000 所以經濟學人雜誌說
00:08:32,000 00:08:33,000 台灣很危險
00:08:33,000 00:08:35,000 你聽了看了很高興
00:08:35,000 00:08:36,000 所以那個是錯的
00:08:36,000 00:08:37,000 因為他講了老半天
00:08:37,000 00:08:38,000 一直講
00:08:38,000 00:08:39,000 但事實上都不是
00:08:39,000 00:08:41,000 我們對維持台灣和平穩定
00:08:41,000 00:08:42,000 很努力
00:08:42,000 00:08:43,000 也有一些
00:08:43,000 00:08:45,000 所以我剛才聽你的感覺
00:08:45,000 00:08:47,000 好像經濟學人雜誌說
00:08:47,000 00:08:48,000 台灣很危險
00:08:48,000 00:08:50,000 你好像很高興的樣子
00:08:50,000 00:08:51,000 我們台灣
00:08:51,000 00:08:52,000 我們是這樣
00:08:52,000 00:08:53,000 你很高興
00:08:53,000 00:08:54,000 我們自己是
00:08:54,000 00:08:55,000 你很高興
00:08:55,000 00:08:56,000 沒有沒有
00:08:56,000 00:08:57,000 我是說其實地表上
00:08:57,000 00:08:58,000 危險的地方很多
00:08:58,000 00:08:59,000 但是危不危險
00:08:59,000 00:09:00,000 關鍵在我們自己
00:09:00,000 00:09:01,000 我們自己當然要捍衛
00:09:01,000 00:09:02,000 自己的
00:09:02,000 00:09:03,000 我們自己的
00:09:03,000 00:09:04,000 我再自詢你講什麼
00:09:04,000 00:09:05,000 好謝謝
00:09:05,000 00:09:06,000 謝謝委員