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莊瑞雄 @ 第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第26次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:15,240 | 好 謝謝主席 |
| 00:00:15,240 | 00:00:18,440 | 有請我們法務部黃次長 |
| 00:00:18,440 | 00:00:19,640 | 有請黃次長 |
| 00:00:19,640 | 00:00:21,360 | 司法院我們許廳長 |
| 00:00:21,360 | 00:00:22,040 | 許廳長 |
| 00:00:22,040 | 00:00:22,760 | 委員好 |
| 00:00:22,760 | 00:00:26,200 | 我們今天警政委員李某旺也來了 |
| 00:00:26,200 | 00:00:27,200 | 很久不見了 |
| 00:00:27,200 | 00:00:28,360 | 請上台一下 |
| 00:00:30,000 | 00:00:36,600 | 我想今天這個很嚴肅的問題 |
| 00:00:36,600 | 00:00:38,200 | 又來就教三位 |
| 00:00:38,200 | 00:00:40,600 | 這一次院板的一個修法裡面 |
| 00:00:40,600 | 00:00:43,400 | 把這個酒駕跟毒駕 |
| 00:00:43,400 | 00:00:45,800 | 這樣去分流去做處理 |
| 00:00:45,800 | 00:00:48,800 | 其實這樣的一個修法的方向 |
| 00:00:48,800 | 00:00:51,200 | 我們是其實表達一個支持 |
| 00:00:51,200 | 00:00:55,400 | 但是我們還是要提出來的就是說 |
| 00:00:55,400 | 00:00:56,800 | 我們整個 |
| 00:00:56,800 | 00:00:58,800 | 對於整個毒品 |
| 00:00:59,199 | 00:01:01,199 | 我看不管是警察機關 |
| 00:01:01,199 | 00:01:03,199 | 或者檢察機關 |
| 00:01:03,199 | 00:01:04,800 | 或者法院 |
| 00:01:04,800 | 00:01:06,800 | 其實大家都煞費苦心 |
| 00:01:06,800 | 00:01:09,399 | 但是對整個毒品的一個防治 |
| 00:01:09,399 | 00:01:10,399 | 這個成效 |
| 00:01:10,399 | 00:01:12,600 | 因為社會有更高的一個期待 |
| 00:01:12,600 | 00:01:14,200 | 今天其實衛福部沒有來了 |
| 00:01:14,200 | 00:01:16,000 | 不然少了衛福部這一塊 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:17,400 | 我們也覺得實在是 |
| 00:01:17,400 | 00:01:19,400 | 光憑警政 |
| 00:01:19,400 | 00:01:21,200 | 光憑檢調系統 |
| 00:01:21,200 | 00:01:23,600 | 還有法院做出這樣的一個判決 |
| 00:01:23,600 | 00:01:27,200 | 還是這個都只是事後的一個犯罪者 |
| 00:01:27,200 | 00:01:29,400 | 事後接受應有的一個懲罰 |
| 00:01:29,400 | 00:01:30,600 | 但重點是說 |
| 00:01:30,600 | 00:01:32,400 | 怎麼樣把這些人 |
| 00:01:32,400 | 00:01:34,400 | 他的再犯率把它給降低 |
| 00:01:34,400 | 00:01:36,400 | 這個其實是一個重點 |
| 00:01:36,400 | 00:01:38,000 | 那我們毒品防治基金 |
| 00:01:38,000 | 00:01:40,000 | 我們逐年在擴大 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:41,800 | 那我想請教的就是說 |
| 00:01:41,800 | 00:01:44,000 | 我們這個基金當然都是政府 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:45,200 | 去做一個撥補 |
| 00:01:45,200 | 00:01:47,800 | 我們從2017年這樣設立 |
| 00:01:47,800 | 00:01:49,400 | 就是希望建立一個 |
| 00:01:49,400 | 00:01:51,600 | 長期的一個反毒的一個資源 |
| 00:01:51,600 | 00:01:54,000 | 但本席其實是發現 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:56,800 | 從2019年到2024年 |
| 00:01:56,800 | 00:01:58,600 | 從這99%建議 |
| 00:01:58,600 | 00:02:02,200 | 都來為政府來做一個撥補 |
| 00:02:02,200 | 00:02:04,600 | 那6年之間的成長其實 |
| 00:02:04,600 | 00:02:07,000 | 2.88倍快3倍 |
| 00:02:07,000 | 00:02:08,000 | 那問題來了 |
| 00:02:08,000 | 00:02:10,000 | 就是說基金一直在增加 |
| 00:02:10,000 | 00:02:12,800 | 那這個成效是不是同步 |
| 00:02:12,800 | 00:02:15,000 | 我要問請教黃市長就是說 |
| 00:02:15,000 | 00:02:16,800 | 我們如何去確認說 |
| 00:02:16,800 | 00:02:18,400 | 我們錢不是只有花掉 |
| 00:02:18,400 | 00:02:21,800 | 我們到底那個效果是怎麼樣 |
| 00:02:21,800 | 00:02:23,800 | 法務部還要不要來做一個說明 |
| 00:02:23,800 | 00:02:25,600 | 就是說你今年的績效 |
| 00:02:25,600 | 00:02:27,600 | 你說你強化這個 |
| 00:02:27,600 | 00:02:31,600 | 藉隱的治療的人數 |
| 00:02:31,600 | 00:02:34,600 | 你說這個11000人 |
| 00:02:34,600 | 00:02:37,600 | 家庭支持意願提升到78 |
| 00:02:37,600 | 00:02:39,600 | 多元適性課程學生的出息率 |
| 00:02:39,600 | 00:02:41,600 | 剩下70% |
| 00:02:41,600 | 00:02:44,600 | 緩起數負命的一個 |
| 00:02:44,600 | 00:02:47,600 | 藉隱的一個治療率也到60% |
| 00:02:47,600 | 00:02:49,600 | 那法務部說明就是說 |
| 00:02:49,600 | 00:02:51,600 | 這些指標 |
| 00:02:51,600 | 00:02:53,600 | 我們常常的指標 |
| 00:02:53,600 | 00:02:55,600 | 那個完成率到底是多少 |
| 00:02:55,600 | 00:02:57,600 | 哪一些有達標 |
| 00:02:57,600 | 00:02:59,600 | 哪一些落後 |
| 00:02:59,600 | 00:03:01,600 | 那是不是應該有第三方的 |
| 00:03:01,600 | 00:03:02,600 | 績效的一個評估 |
| 00:03:02,600 | 00:03:04,600 | 我請黃市長先來做說明好不好 |
| 00:03:04,600 | 00:03:06,600 | 各位報告我們都方基金的 |
| 00:03:06,600 | 00:03:08,600 | 這個使用的效能 |
| 00:03:08,600 | 00:03:10,600 | 的確如委員這個slide上面所處理的 |
| 00:03:10,600 | 00:03:13,600 | 我們定有一定的KBI來做管理 |
| 00:03:13,600 | 00:03:15,600 | 因為是涉及到各部會 |
| 00:03:15,600 | 00:03:16,600 | 除了法務部之外 |
| 00:03:16,600 | 00:03:17,600 | 內政部還有交易部 |
| 00:03:17,600 | 00:03:19,600 | 還有這個相關的部會衛福部 |
| 00:03:19,600 | 00:03:21,600 | 來共同使用這個基金 |
| 00:03:21,600 | 00:03:23,600 | 那這個KBI出來之後 |
| 00:03:23,600 | 00:03:24,600 | 他的外控機制是什麼 |
| 00:03:24,600 | 00:03:25,600 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:03:25,600 | 00:03:27,600 | 我們每半年的讀訪會報 |
| 00:03:27,600 | 00:03:29,600 | 行政院院長所主持的讀訪會報 |
| 00:03:29,600 | 00:03:31,600 | 裡面有外部的專家委員 |
| 00:03:31,600 | 00:03:33,600 | 他就會去審核我們 |
| 00:03:33,600 | 00:03:35,600 | 定期要提出這個KBI |
| 00:03:35,600 | 00:03:37,600 | 你各部會有沒有達到你原來 |
| 00:03:37,600 | 00:03:39,600 | 預期的績效目標 |
| 00:03:39,600 | 00:03:41,600 | 這個是外部委員非常非常重視的 |
| 00:03:41,600 | 00:03:43,600 | 所以每次讀訪會報 |
| 00:03:43,600 | 00:03:44,600 | 每半年讀訪會報 |
| 00:03:44,600 | 00:03:45,600 | 外部委員一定會 |
| 00:03:45,600 | 00:03:47,600 | 就這個績效的部分 |
| 00:03:47,600 | 00:03:49,600 | 就這個有沒有達到預期效應的部分 |
| 00:03:49,600 | 00:03:51,600 | 提出相關的質問 |
| 00:03:51,600 | 00:03:54,600 | 我們必須要提出相關的數據來自稱 |
| 00:03:54,600 | 00:03:56,600 | 那我要請教許廷長 |
| 00:03:56,600 | 00:03:57,600 | 聽到沒有 |
| 00:03:57,600 | 00:03:59,600 | 你們像這樣法院 |
| 00:03:59,600 | 00:04:01,600 | 你說他們那個 |
| 00:04:01,600 | 00:04:03,600 | 那個李某人行政委員 |
| 00:04:03,600 | 00:04:05,600 | 大家都偵查都是幹財 |
| 00:04:05,600 | 00:04:07,600 | 黃某信次長 |
| 00:04:07,600 | 00:04:09,600 | 過去就是 |
| 00:04:09,600 | 00:04:11,600 | 一個人出身 |
| 00:04:11,600 | 00:04:13,600 | 那一路這樣上來 |
| 00:04:13,600 | 00:04:14,600 | 打擊毒品 |
| 00:04:14,600 | 00:04:15,600 | 這個是其實是我們這個 |
| 00:04:15,600 | 00:04:17,600 | 整個國家的一個重大的一個政策 |
| 00:04:17,600 | 00:04:19,600 | 但是十萬年你這樣做 |
| 00:04:19,600 | 00:04:21,600 | 法官把他打下去 |
| 00:04:21,600 | 00:04:23,600 | 你有沒有覺得 |
| 00:04:23,600 | 00:04:25,600 | 判下去給當事人 |
| 00:04:25,600 | 00:04:27,600 | 得到應有的懲罰以後 |
| 00:04:27,600 | 00:04:29,600 | 建立官 |
| 00:04:29,600 | 00:04:31,600 | 官一堆 |
| 00:04:31,600 | 00:04:33,600 | 後端如果沒有 |
| 00:04:33,600 | 00:04:35,600 | 再有政府的一些 |
| 00:04:35,600 | 00:04:37,600 | 政策上的一個支持的話 |
| 00:04:37,600 | 00:04:39,600 | 那個再犯率 |
| 00:04:39,600 | 00:04:41,600 | 我不知道你們司法院家你們的 |
| 00:04:41,600 | 00:04:43,600 | 對這個整個毒品這幾年的 |
| 00:04:43,600 | 00:04:45,600 | 走勢你們的看法是怎麼樣 |
| 00:04:45,600 | 00:04:47,600 | 包委員毒品是 |
| 00:04:47,600 | 00:04:49,600 | 這個讓人深惡痛絕 |
| 00:04:49,600 | 00:04:51,600 | 所以各種有關毒品的行為都 |
| 00:04:51,600 | 00:04:53,600 | 進行不同的構成藥劑類型 |
| 00:04:53,600 | 00:04:55,600 | 來做刑事的處罰 |
| 00:04:55,600 | 00:04:57,600 | 那但是以我個人的 |
| 00:04:57,600 | 00:04:59,600 | 審判經驗就是毒品他雖然 |
| 00:04:59,600 | 00:05:01,600 | 我們都用依照 |
| 00:05:01,600 | 00:05:03,600 | 這個法律的規定來做重刑化 |
| 00:05:03,600 | 00:05:05,600 | 的這個量刑跟處置 |
| 00:05:05,600 | 00:05:07,600 | 但是因為毒品他總是有一種 |
| 00:05:07,600 | 00:05:09,600 | 成癮性 |
| 00:05:09,600 | 00:05:11,600 | 那這個如何這個 |
| 00:05:11,600 | 00:05:13,600 | 在重刑之外如何 |
| 00:05:13,600 | 00:05:15,600 | 進行這個部分的 |
| 00:05:15,600 | 00:05:17,600 | 介隱的處理可能也是一個 |
| 00:05:17,600 | 00:05:19,600 | 重要的這個方向 |
| 00:05:19,600 | 00:05:21,600 | 那確實這個關於 |
| 00:05:21,600 | 00:05:23,600 | 販毒或是說 |
| 00:05:23,600 | 00:05:25,600 | 試用毒品這一些確實有相當的 |
| 00:05:25,600 | 00:05:27,600 | 再犯率 |
| 00:05:27,600 | 00:05:29,600 | 我剛才聽黃市長說他們不是 |
| 00:05:29,600 | 00:05:31,600 | 只有打擊犯罪他們也 |
| 00:05:31,600 | 00:05:33,600 | 意識到說光只有用刑法 |
| 00:05:33,600 | 00:05:35,600 | 不足以 |
| 00:05:35,600 | 00:05:37,600 | 來做一個遏制 |
| 00:05:37,600 | 00:05:39,600 | 那個林茂鳳警政專員我來請教 |
| 00:05:39,600 | 00:05:41,600 | 你你說那個毒品 |
| 00:05:41,600 | 00:05:43,600 | 犯罪你注意看 |
| 00:05:43,600 | 00:05:45,600 | 110年罪犯率33% |
| 00:05:45,600 | 00:05:47,600 | 111年 |
| 00:05:47,600 | 00:05:49,600 | 35.4% |
| 00:05:49,600 | 00:05:51,600 | 112年37.78% |
| 00:05:51,600 | 00:05:53,600 | 這個數字告訴我們 |
| 00:05:53,600 | 00:05:55,600 | 光我們前端的人 |
| 00:05:55,600 | 00:05:57,600 | 那當然要除惡誤盡 |
| 00:05:57,600 | 00:05:59,600 | 要抓 |
| 00:05:59,600 | 00:06:01,600 | 要打人這都社會期待 |
| 00:06:01,600 | 00:06:03,600 | 那個受 |
| 00:06:03,600 | 00:06:05,600 | 這個犯罪的人 |
| 00:06:05,600 | 00:06:07,600 | 當然應該受到應有的一個懲罰 |
| 00:06:07,600 | 00:06:09,600 | 可是我們不是只有懲罰 |
| 00:06:09,600 | 00:06:11,600 | 就是光刑法 |
| 00:06:11,600 | 00:06:13,600 | 真的沒辦法改觀 |
| 00:06:13,600 | 00:06:15,600 | 這個毒癮的一個問題 |
| 00:06:15,600 | 00:06:17,600 | 是這一些 |
| 00:06:17,600 | 00:06:19,600 | 你們在第一線裡面 |
| 00:06:19,600 | 00:06:21,600 | 警察拼到死 |
| 00:06:21,600 | 00:06:23,600 | 拼拼了補了 |
| 00:06:23,600 | 00:06:25,600 | 檢查了一些差差的 |
| 00:06:25,600 | 00:06:27,600 | 然後起訴,讓他去判刑後 |
| 00:06:27,600 | 00:06:29,600 | 你對這些你幹了這麼久的刑警 |
| 00:06:29,600 | 00:06:31,600 | 你的感觸是什麼 |
| 00:06:31,600 | 00:06:33,600 | 對毒品 |
| 00:06:33,600 | 00:06:35,600 | 謝謝委員的關心 |
| 00:06:35,600 | 00:06:37,600 | 我先回覆委員剛才第一次的 |
| 00:06:37,600 | 00:06:39,600 | 提問就是毒王基金的部分 |
| 00:06:39,600 | 00:06:41,600 | 我們警政署大概 |
| 00:06:41,600 | 00:06:43,600 | 一年大概有分配到14000多萬 |
| 00:06:43,600 | 00:06:45,600 | 那大概這個錢 |
| 00:06:45,600 | 00:06:47,600 | 絕大部分都是支援 |
| 00:06:47,600 | 00:06:49,600 | 各地區的 |
| 00:06:49,600 | 00:06:51,600 | 資壓市跟各縣市警察局 |
| 00:06:51,600 | 00:06:53,600 | 少武會 |
| 00:06:53,600 | 00:06:55,600 | 我們知道少年這個吸毒的情形 |
| 00:06:55,600 | 00:06:57,600 | 也是算是也蠻嚴重的 |
| 00:06:57,600 | 00:06:59,600 | 所以我們大概往這部分來加強 |
| 00:06:59,600 | 00:07:01,600 | 少武會的功能 |
| 00:07:01,600 | 00:07:03,600 | 那當然委員剛提到的這個 |
| 00:07:03,600 | 00:07:05,600 | 再換率的部分,那當然也是我們警察機關的重點 |
| 00:07:05,600 | 00:07:07,600 | 所以我們警察機關在自然固定人口的查訪裡面 |
| 00:07:07,600 | 00:07:09,600 | 也是我們一個列管的重要的項目之一 |
| 00:07:09,600 | 00:07:11,600 | 以上報告,謝謝 |
| 00:07:11,600 | 00:07:13,600 | 我還要再繼續請教市長或者許廳長 |
| 00:07:13,600 | 00:07:15,600 | 就是說我們2020年 |
| 00:07:15,600 | 00:07:17,600 | 我們新增的,修法新增的 |
| 00:07:17,600 | 00:07:19,600 | 緩起訴的一個 |
| 00:07:19,600 | 00:07:21,600 | 負戒癮的一個治療 |
| 00:07:21,600 | 00:07:23,600 | 這個緩復療的部分 |
| 00:07:23,600 | 00:07:25,600 | 你看,包括這個戒癮的治療 |
| 00:07:25,600 | 00:07:27,600 | 心理治療,心理諮商 |
| 00:07:27,600 | 00:07:29,600 | 精神治療,義務勞務 |
| 00:07:29,600 | 00:07:31,600 | 還有其他社區的一個處遇 |
| 00:07:31,600 | 00:07:33,600 | 使用比例111年 |
| 00:07:33,600 | 00:07:35,600 | 20% |
| 00:07:35,600 | 00:07:37,600 | 184年提升到40% |
| 00:07:37,600 | 00:07:39,600 | 代表說我們檢察機關 |
| 00:07:39,600 | 00:07:41,600 | 已經逐步的用治療 |
| 00:07:41,600 | 00:07:43,600 | 去遞帶這個監禁 |
| 00:07:43,600 | 00:07:45,600 | 也是意識到 |
| 00:07:45,600 | 00:07:47,600 | 可是其實我們也看到市長 |
| 00:07:47,600 | 00:07:49,600 | 有成果了,他是有成果了 |
| 00:07:49,600 | 00:07:51,600 | 你看五年再換率的比較的話 |
| 00:07:51,600 | 00:07:53,600 | 你那個,你緩復療的部分 |
| 00:07:53,600 | 00:07:55,600 | 就已經占了將近36% |
| 00:07:55,600 | 00:07:57,600 | 然後呢,觀察熱戒的部分 |
| 00:07:57,600 | 00:07:59,600 | 到45%,強制戒治的57% |
| 00:07:59,600 | 00:08:01,600 | 監禁72% |
| 00:08:01,600 | 00:08:03,600 | 結果就是說 |
| 00:08:03,600 | 00:08:05,600 | 治療確實比關起來 |
| 00:08:05,600 | 00:08:07,600 | 它更有效 |
| 00:08:07,600 | 00:08:09,600 | 本席倒不是認為說,毒品的人進來以後 |
| 00:08:09,600 | 00:08:11,600 | 要把它重放,不是這個意思 |
| 00:08:11,600 | 00:08:13,600 | 因為總是處罰他以後 |
| 00:08:13,600 | 00:08:15,600 | 要讓他重新再回到這個社會 |
| 00:08:15,600 | 00:08:17,600 | 回到這個社會,他如果再給你罪犯 |
| 00:08:17,600 | 00:08:19,600 | 你只要武者你就武士了 |
| 00:08:19,600 | 00:08:21,600 | 所以呢,最大的問題是說 |
| 00:08:21,600 | 00:08:23,600 | 你這個緩起訴測效率進高達 |
| 00:08:23,600 | 00:08:25,600 | 4到5成 |
| 00:08:25,600 | 00:08:27,600 | 這個我最擔心的地方 |
| 00:08:27,600 | 00:08:29,600 | 緩起訴本來它這個制度非常好 |
| 00:08:29,600 | 00:08:31,600 | 但是違反義務照測效比例 |
| 00:08:31,600 | 00:08:33,600 | 高達40到50% |
| 00:08:33,600 | 00:08:35,600 | 問題到底出在什麼地方 |
| 00:08:35,600 | 00:08:37,600 | 我不知道署長你為什麼在說 |
| 00:08:37,600 | 00:08:39,600 | 本席到現在問了那麼多人 |
| 00:08:39,600 | 00:08:41,600 | 大家都認為喔,整個社區的 |
| 00:08:41,600 | 00:08:43,600 | 支持系統,我們這個社會 |
| 00:08:43,600 | 00:08:45,600 | 是不足的,我不知道你會看到是怎樣 |
| 00:08:45,600 | 00:08:47,600 | 各位報告喔,會測效緩起訴 |
| 00:08:47,600 | 00:08:49,600 | 它原因很多,它有可能再犯罪被測效 |
| 00:08:49,600 | 00:08:51,600 | 再犯罪也不見得是再犯毒品 |
| 00:08:51,600 | 00:08:53,600 | 它再犯其他犯罪有可能測效 |
| 00:08:53,600 | 00:08:55,600 | 它有可能沒有完成我們給他的 |
| 00:08:55,600 | 00:08:57,600 | 鑒引治療的整個療程而被測效 |
| 00:08:57,600 | 00:08:59,600 | 它有可能沒有定期來報到被測效 |
| 00:08:59,600 | 00:09:01,600 | 所以它被測效緩起的原因 |
| 00:09:01,600 | 00:09:03,600 | 很多,但是我要跟委員報告 |
| 00:09:03,600 | 00:09:05,600 | 委員講的,我們透過鑒引治療 |
| 00:09:05,600 | 00:09:07,600 | 它兩年內的再犯例 |
| 00:09:07,600 | 00:09:09,600 | 實證上顯示它是最有效的 |
| 00:09:09,600 | 00:09:11,600 | 比起你入監後兩年內再犯例 |
| 00:09:11,600 | 00:09:13,600 | 它是最低的,所以我們中華民國 |
| 00:09:13,600 | 00:09:15,600 | 現在大量的使用這適用毒品 |
| 00:09:15,600 | 00:09:17,600 | 適用這個鑒引治療 |
| 00:09:17,600 | 00:09:19,600 | 所以我們在個案上,鑒引治療 |
| 00:09:19,600 | 00:09:21,600 | 個案上我們已達到4成4 |
| 00:09:21,600 | 00:09:23,600 | 44%比例的適用毒品案 |
| 00:09:23,600 | 00:09:25,600 | 我們都把它透過一個鑒引治療模式 |
| 00:09:25,600 | 00:09:27,600 | 去做戒嚴,所以我們國家的整個毒品 |
| 00:09:27,600 | 00:09:29,600 | 政策,第一期它是注重查緝 |
| 00:09:29,600 | 00:09:31,600 | 第二期是注重這個 |
| 00:09:31,600 | 00:09:33,600 | 減害,注重被告的 |
| 00:09:33,600 | 00:09:35,600 | 這個減害 |
| 00:09:35,600 | 00:09:37,600 | 第三個,我們現在已經走到一個什麼 |
| 00:09:37,600 | 00:09:39,600 | 預防再犯跟復歸的目的 |
| 00:09:39,600 | 00:09:41,600 | 所以國家的毒品政策也注意到委員所提到的 |
| 00:09:41,600 | 00:09:43,600 | 鑒引治療對它的預防再犯 |
| 00:09:43,600 | 00:09:45,600 | 跟它的 |
| 00:09:45,600 | 00:09:47,600 | 復歸有很大的幫助 |
| 00:09:47,600 | 00:09:49,600 | 市長,方向都對了 |
| 00:09:49,600 | 00:09:51,600 | 但問題我認為你們人力根本 |
| 00:09:51,600 | 00:09:53,600 | 就不夠 |
| 00:09:53,600 | 00:09:55,600 | 你們的檢察機關的人力 |
| 00:09:55,600 | 00:09:57,600 | 根本就不夠 |
| 00:09:57,600 | 00:09:59,600 | 像你們官戶人現在工作 |
| 00:09:59,600 | 00:10:01,600 | 最多吃四餐 |
| 00:10:01,600 | 00:10:03,600 | 反省,性侵 |
| 00:10:03,600 | 00:10:05,600 | 重刑 |
| 00:10:05,600 | 00:10:07,600 | 現在又多了一個大量的 |
| 00:10:07,600 | 00:10:09,600 | 反復療的個案 |
| 00:10:09,600 | 00:10:11,600 | 你這樣,你說要叫他們深入 |
| 00:10:11,600 | 00:10:13,600 | 去追蹤個案去做評估 |
| 00:10:13,600 | 00:10:15,600 | 或是說 |
| 00:10:15,600 | 00:10:17,600 | 真正去陪伴他們去做一個戒嚴 |
| 00:10:17,600 | 00:10:19,600 | 人力不夠 |
| 00:10:19,600 | 00:10:21,600 | 這不然你們要再想想辦法 |
| 00:10:21,600 | 00:10:23,600 | 因為我看你這個整個問題都已經 |
| 00:10:23,600 | 00:10:25,600 | 抓到了 |
| 00:10:25,600 | 00:10:27,600 | 你就已經當了市長 |
| 00:10:27,600 | 00:10:29,600 | 你就已經不再是以前我當個檢察官 |
| 00:10:29,600 | 00:10:31,600 | 我就在那裡打擊犯罪 |
| 00:10:31,600 | 00:10:33,600 | 現在你的職務已經不是這樣子了 |
| 00:10:33,600 | 00:10:35,600 | 我認為你那個高度已經上來了 |
| 00:10:35,600 | 00:10:37,600 | 是針對整個政策 |
| 00:10:37,600 | 00:10:39,600 | 尤其你第二個缺口 |
| 00:10:39,600 | 00:10:41,600 | 你毒防中心你的能量根本就不足 |
| 00:10:41,600 | 00:10:43,600 | 你每天要處理的服務人員 |
| 00:10:43,600 | 00:10:45,600 | 那麼多人,你個案服務的比例 |
| 00:10:45,600 | 00:10:47,600 | 你說你個案的原額 |
| 00:10:47,600 | 00:10:49,600 | 個案原的負擔是不是太重 |
| 00:10:49,600 | 00:10:51,600 | 我覺得這部分會不適 |
| 00:10:51,600 | 00:10:53,600 | 你那個毒防中心跟 |
| 00:10:53,600 | 00:10:55,600 | 管務人 |
| 00:10:55,600 | 00:10:57,600 | 工作也重複 |
| 00:10:57,600 | 00:10:59,600 | 效果又未必會達標 |
| 00:10:59,600 | 00:11:01,600 | 第三個,衛福部其實沒有來 |
| 00:11:01,600 | 00:11:03,600 | 你們應該也再去 |
| 00:11:03,600 | 00:11:05,600 | 再去好好的 |
| 00:11:05,600 | 00:11:07,600 | 跨部會之間 |
| 00:11:07,600 | 00:11:09,600 | 要去做一個思考 |
| 00:11:09,600 | 00:11:11,600 | 就是你給他看的目前第二級毒品 |
| 00:11:11,600 | 00:11:13,600 | 安慰他命跟大麻 |
| 00:11:13,600 | 00:11:15,600 | 你們沒有像美沙東那種替代的一個療法 |
| 00:11:15,600 | 00:11:17,600 | 很多只剩下什麼門診 |
| 00:11:17,600 | 00:11:19,600 | 驗尿,只剩下這樣 |
| 00:11:19,600 | 00:11:21,600 | 真的需要的,要去做一些 |
| 00:11:21,600 | 00:11:23,600 | 輔導的,家庭重建就業 |
| 00:11:23,600 | 00:11:25,600 | 輔導,心理支持 |
| 00:11:25,600 | 00:11:27,600 | 那這一些其實都要靠民間團體 |
| 00:11:27,600 | 00:11:29,600 | 跟社福的一個資源 |
| 00:11:29,600 | 00:11:31,600 | 還有社區的診所 |
| 00:11:31,600 | 00:11:33,600 | 這個 |
| 00:11:33,600 | 00:11:35,600 | 你們又來要定的目標裡面 |
| 00:11:35,600 | 00:11:37,600 | 我是期待 |
| 00:11:37,600 | 00:11:39,600 | 你們可以再去精進 |
| 00:11:39,600 | 00:11:41,600 | 如果真的是人力不足 |
| 00:11:41,600 | 00:11:43,600 | 還是社區資源不足 |
| 00:11:43,600 | 00:11:45,600 | 還是醫療能量不足 |
| 00:11:45,600 | 00:11:47,600 | 要怎麼去達標 |
| 00:11:47,600 | 00:11:49,600 | 這個是非常大的問題 |
| 00:11:49,600 | 00:11:51,600 | 其實次長,我是覺得 |
| 00:11:51,600 | 00:11:53,600 | 你今天的一個回答的方向 |
| 00:11:53,600 | 00:11:55,600 | 我是非常的滿意 |
| 00:11:55,600 | 00:11:57,600 | 但是政府該做的,都要把它補起來的 |
| 00:11:57,600 | 00:11:59,600 | 這部分真的要去加強 |
| 00:11:59,600 | 00:12:01,600 | 跨部會裡面 |
| 00:12:01,600 | 00:12:03,600 | 要做好他,因為畢竟你做到次長 |
| 00:12:03,600 | 00:12:05,600 | 跟你以前做的那些 |
| 00:12:05,600 | 00:12:07,600 | 立場完全不一樣 |
| 00:12:07,600 | 00:12:09,600 | 廳長也是一樣 |
| 00:12:09,600 | 00:12:11,600 | 你們也不只做叛官而已 |
| 00:12:11,600 | 00:12:13,600 | 後面要怎麼做改革 |
| 00:12:13,600 | 00:12:15,600 | 那個,那個李文華 |
| 00:12:15,600 | 00:12:17,600 | 你們就要跟他互相親 |
| 00:12:17,600 | 00:12:19,600 | 抓到要死,一直抓 |
| 00:12:19,600 | 00:12:21,600 | 一直跟他管理裡面 |
| 00:12:21,600 | 00:12:23,600 | 管理出來後,再犯率又那麼高 |
| 00:12:23,600 | 00:12:25,600 | 沒有解決掉問題 |
| 00:12:25,600 | 00:12:27,600 | 我們就只有嚇阻,報復,懲罰 |
| 00:12:27,600 | 00:12:29,600 | 但是 |
| 00:12:29,600 | 00:12:31,600 | 那個案子過去就過去了 |
| 00:12:31,600 | 00:12:33,600 | 他付出代價了 |
| 00:12:33,600 | 00:12:35,600 | 重點是這些人還是會回歸到社會 |
| 00:12:35,600 | 00:12:37,600 | 如果這些人在這裡互 |
| 00:12:37,600 | 00:12:39,600 | 再犯率都那麼高 |
| 00:12:39,600 | 00:12:41,600 | 這個就,我們的制度就確實 |
| 00:12:41,600 | 00:12:43,600 | 有必要再去精進的地方 |
| 00:12:43,600 | 00:12:45,600 | 好不好,好謝謝 |
| 00:12:45,600 | 00:12:47,600 | 謝謝中委員 |