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張雅琳 @ 第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第26次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:10,500 | 謝謝主席 有請法務部次長 |
| 00:00:10,500 | 00:00:11,500 | 好 有請次長 |
| 00:00:11,500 | 00:00:15,000 | 委員好 |
| 00:00:15,000 | 00:00:20,000 | 次長早 基本上今天想要特別來跟次長來討論 |
| 00:00:20,000 | 00:00:22,500 | 就是說我們毒品政策是 |
| 00:00:22,500 | 00:00:24,500 | 過去在毒品危害防治條例 |
| 00:00:24,500 | 00:00:26,500 | 我們是採一個分級處預 |
| 00:00:26,500 | 00:00:29,000 | 但是我們現在修正的一個方向 |
| 00:00:29,000 | 00:00:33,500 | 是只要駕駛人是用毒品麻醉藥品或其他相類之物 |
| 00:00:33,500 | 00:00:36,000 | 尿液或血液之中的毒品 |
| 00:00:36,000 | 00:00:38,000 | 或者是代謝物達到公告的濃度之後 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:41,500 | 會有其他市政府足以認定不能夠安全駕駛 |
| 00:00:41,500 | 00:00:45,000 | 修法後就是除五年以下的有期徒刑 |
| 00:00:45,000 | 00:00:48,000 | 並且得併科五十萬以下的罰金 |
| 00:00:48,000 | 00:00:52,000 | 也就是說現在的修法也會讓這個 |
| 00:00:52,000 | 00:00:53,000 | 不管是一級二級三級 |
| 00:00:53,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 全部都是一體試用的 對嗎 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:58,000 | 對 我們毒駕 我們毒駕試 |
| 00:00:58,000 | 00:01:00,000 | 我知道 那我想問一下 |
| 00:01:00,000 | 00:01:02,000 | 就是說法務部過去在立法院審查 |
| 00:01:02,000 | 00:01:05,000 | 第三級跟第四級毒品相關修法的時候 |
| 00:01:05,000 | 00:01:08,000 | 有曾經表示過第三四級毒品的施用者 |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:10,000 | 跟第一級跟第二級是不一樣的 |
| 00:01:10,000 | 00:01:12,000 | 在成癮性危害程度上面 |
| 00:01:12,000 | 00:01:15,000 | 施用情境上都有所不同 |
| 00:01:15,000 | 00:01:19,000 | 若一開始就進入機構式處遇或直接以刑罰介入 |
| 00:01:19,000 | 00:01:21,000 | 可能就會造成標籤化 |
| 00:01:21,000 | 00:01:25,000 | 也可能是學生的就學 民眾的工作及家庭的支持中斷 |
| 00:01:25,000 | 00:01:29,000 | 因此法務部過去主張現行制度應該要採取 |
| 00:01:29,000 | 00:01:33,000 | 行政裁罰 毒品危害 獎息等較為漸進的處遇方式 |
| 00:01:33,000 | 00:01:35,000 | 這是我之前查到的資料 |
| 00:01:35,000 | 00:01:36,000 | 這是過去的立場嗎 |
| 00:01:36,000 | 00:01:38,000 | 現在也是 完全正確 |
| 00:01:38,000 | 00:01:40,000 | 我們法務部毒品防治條例 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:43,000 | 就這個單純的施用第三級跟第四級毒品 |
| 00:01:43,000 | 00:01:46,000 | 它是透過毒品獎息跟裁罰的方式來處理 |
| 00:01:46,000 | 00:01:48,000 | 但是我們現在在講刑法一八五至三的時候 |
| 00:01:48,000 | 00:01:51,000 | 我們就反而是沒有分一二三四不同的等級 |
| 00:01:51,000 | 00:01:53,000 | 而有不同的這個刑法 |
| 00:01:53,000 | 00:01:55,000 | 好像全部都是一體施用 |
| 00:01:55,000 | 00:01:57,000 | 一八五至三它是公共危險 |
| 00:01:57,000 | 00:01:59,000 | 它是吸毒者產生的公共危險 |
| 00:01:59,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 所以它處罰的罪責是公共危險這個行為 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:04,000 | 而不是吸毒 |
| 00:02:04,000 | 00:02:06,000 | 吸毒它本身另外有刑法的規定 |
| 00:02:06,000 | 00:02:09,000 | 如果施用第一級第二級本來就要處罰它的施用行為 |
| 00:02:09,000 | 00:02:12,000 | 再加上這個駕車公共危險 |
| 00:02:12,000 | 00:02:14,000 | 它是一個併罰的概念 |
| 00:02:14,000 | 00:02:16,000 | 它是一個併罰的概念 |
| 00:02:16,000 | 00:02:18,000 | 好 那我一想請教 |
| 00:02:19,000 | 00:02:21,000 | 抱歉 好 |
| 00:02:21,000 | 00:02:24,000 | 就是說如果說今天剛剛講的就是說 |
| 00:02:24,000 | 00:02:26,000 | 因為它是造成的公共危險嘛對不對 |
| 00:02:26,000 | 00:02:29,000 | 所以它基本上我們就應該以它造成的這個問題 |
| 00:02:29,000 | 00:02:31,000 | 而來做一體施用 |
| 00:02:31,000 | 00:02:33,000 | 那我就想要請教就是說 |
| 00:02:33,000 | 00:02:35,000 | 如果我們看到施用第一級的毒品法定刑是 |
| 00:02:35,000 | 00:02:37,000 | 六月以上 第一級喔 |
| 00:02:37,000 | 00:02:39,000 | 六個月以上五年以下對不對 |
| 00:02:39,000 | 00:02:42,000 | 可是說法後的毒駕基本刑 |
| 00:02:42,000 | 00:02:44,000 | 則是五年以下 |
| 00:02:44,000 | 00:02:48,000 | 雖然兩者刑度不同但是最高刑都是五年喔 |
| 00:02:48,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 所以這樣子我就會有一個問題 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:53,000 | 既然兩者的核心結構不同 |
| 00:02:53,000 | 00:02:55,000 | 那這樣子我們在毒駕 |
| 00:02:55,000 | 00:02:57,000 | 應該要最高刑度 |
| 00:02:57,000 | 00:02:59,000 | 要嘛就應該要往上加啊 |
| 00:02:59,000 | 00:03:00,000 | 沒有 委員 |
| 00:03:00,000 | 00:03:01,000 | 它吸毒是用第一級毒品 |
| 00:03:01,000 | 00:03:03,000 | 它處五年以下六個月以上 |
| 00:03:03,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 它是一個A行為 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 吸完毒之後駕車它是公共危險 |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:07,000 | 是一個B行為 |
| 00:03:07,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 對 沒錯 是啊 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 所以A加B是併罰的 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:11,000 | A加B要併罰 |
| 00:03:11,000 | 00:03:13,000 | 對 A罪跟B罪它兩個是併罰的概念 |
| 00:03:13,000 | 00:03:14,000 | 數罪併罰的概念 |
| 00:03:14,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 它不是便宜罪 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:17,000 | 所以那我想確定一下喔 |
| 00:03:17,000 | 00:03:19,000 | 就接下來我們在這個 |
| 00:03:19,000 | 00:03:21,000 | 刑法1853上路之後 |
| 00:03:21,000 | 00:03:23,000 | 它如果使用毒品 |
| 00:03:23,000 | 00:03:25,000 | 它的毒品危害防止法這邊一罪一罰 |
| 00:03:25,000 | 00:03:26,000 | 是嗎 |
| 00:03:26,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 它吸毒行為有吸毒的處罰 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 對 毒駕有毒駕的處罰 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:32,000 | 這是兩個不同的行為 |
| 00:03:32,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 好 那我想要再跟部長 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:35,000 | 次長請教就是說 |
| 00:03:35,000 | 00:03:37,000 | 因為其實我上個禮拜呢 |
| 00:03:37,000 | 00:03:39,000 | 去了你們的司法官學院 |
| 00:03:39,000 | 00:03:41,000 | 我看到了一個我覺得蠻精彩的 |
| 00:03:41,000 | 00:03:43,000 | 一個研究你們的智庫做了一個非常 |
| 00:03:43,000 | 00:03:45,000 | 研究的精彩的研究報告 |
| 00:03:45,000 | 00:03:47,000 | 就是說呢你們當時呢 |
| 00:03:47,000 | 00:03:49,000 | 去做了這個社區戒隕 |
| 00:03:49,000 | 00:03:51,000 | 跟持續處獄的一個關係 |
| 00:03:51,000 | 00:03:53,000 | 關聯性研究 |
| 00:03:53,000 | 00:03:55,000 | 那就發現說喔 |
| 00:03:55,000 | 00:03:57,000 | 我們今天呢把它送去關起來 |
| 00:03:57,000 | 00:03:59,000 | 送去強制戒制 |
| 00:03:59,000 | 00:04:01,000 | 但是呢它未來的再犯率 |
| 00:04:01,000 | 00:04:03,000 | 竟然是達到了六成 |
| 00:04:03,000 | 00:04:05,000 | 可是如果它今天呢 |
| 00:04:05,000 | 00:04:07,000 | 是做到緩起訴 |
| 00:04:07,000 | 00:04:09,000 | 負面戒隱治療的話呢 |
| 00:04:09,000 | 00:04:11,000 | 它的再犯率只有35.6% |
| 00:04:11,000 | 00:04:13,000 | 可是我們現在 |
| 00:04:13,000 | 00:04:15,000 | 在這個行修法的過程之中 |
| 00:04:15,000 | 00:04:17,000 | 我似乎並沒有去看到說 |
| 00:04:17,000 | 00:04:19,000 | 接下來因為這個 |
| 00:04:19,000 | 00:04:21,000 | 這個統計告訴我們呢 |
| 00:04:21,000 | 00:04:23,000 | 其實戒 |
| 00:04:23,000 | 00:04:25,000 | 那個戒隱治療 |
| 00:04:25,000 | 00:04:27,000 | 還是非常重要的 |
| 00:04:27,000 | 00:04:29,000 | 所以我想要跟 |
| 00:04:29,000 | 00:04:31,000 | 次長來請教喔 當然說法定 |
| 00:04:31,000 | 00:04:33,000 | 行提高到五年以下 |
| 00:04:33,000 | 00:04:35,000 | 檢察官仍然可以以個案 |
| 00:04:35,000 | 00:04:37,000 | 來做這個緩起訴 並附加 |
| 00:04:37,000 | 00:04:39,000 | 治療或其他條件 但是法律上 |
| 00:04:39,000 | 00:04:41,000 | 可以緩起訴跟制度上 |
| 00:04:41,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 確保毒價者接受 |
| 00:04:43,000 | 00:04:45,000 | 有效處遇 |
| 00:04:45,000 | 00:04:47,000 | 是兩件不同的事情 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:49,000 | 所以呢這次要 |
| 00:04:49,000 | 00:04:51,000 | 把這個符合要件的毒價行為 |
| 00:04:51,000 | 00:04:53,000 | 一律提高到五年以下 |
| 00:04:53,000 | 00:04:55,000 | 是否是說讓我們 |
| 00:04:55,000 | 00:04:57,000 | 把這個依毒品種類 |
| 00:04:57,000 | 00:04:59,000 | 危害程度以及戒隱處遇的思維 |
| 00:04:59,000 | 00:05:01,000 | 有所落差 如果沒有把 |
| 00:05:01,000 | 00:05:03,000 | 有效的 還是要強調 |
| 00:05:03,000 | 00:05:05,000 | 有效的社區處遇一起納入的話 |
| 00:05:05,000 | 00:05:07,000 | 那我們就反而沒有去解決 |
| 00:05:07,000 | 00:05:09,000 | 毒品依賴跟反覆毒價的可能性 |
| 00:05:09,000 | 00:05:11,000 | 各位報告 我們國家的毒品 |
| 00:05:11,000 | 00:05:13,000 | 政策對單獨吸毒 |
| 00:05:13,000 | 00:05:15,000 | 這個行為的話 基本上我們 |
| 00:05:15,000 | 00:05:17,000 | 不是要把它入監 或者是 |
| 00:05:17,000 | 00:05:19,000 | 機構內的這個觀察類似 |
| 00:05:19,000 | 00:05:21,000 | 強制處分 基本上我們透過 |
| 00:05:21,000 | 00:05:23,000 | 這slide的左邊 負面戒隱 |
| 00:05:23,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 治療的方式去讓它 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:27,000 | 去戒除它的身影跟心理 |
| 00:05:27,000 | 00:05:29,000 | 所以我們現在整個單純是 |
| 00:05:29,000 | 00:05:31,000 | 用毒品的 左邊的戒隱 |
| 00:05:31,000 | 00:05:33,000 | 治療的比例 也高到 |
| 00:05:33,000 | 00:05:35,000 | 44%左右了 |
| 00:05:35,000 | 00:05:37,000 | 所以我們認為 |
| 00:05:37,000 | 00:05:39,000 | 透過戒隱治療 對單獨 |
| 00:05:39,000 | 00:05:41,000 | 使用毒品 施以處遇 |
| 00:05:41,000 | 00:05:43,000 | 對它的預防再犯 它是有效的 |
| 00:05:43,000 | 00:05:45,000 | 所以整個國家毒品政策 |
| 00:05:45,000 | 00:05:47,000 | 現在是 我知道 但是我們現在講的就是毒價 |
| 00:05:47,000 | 00:05:49,000 | 因為毒價它也是有施用毒影的狀態 |
| 00:05:49,000 | 00:05:51,000 | 而且因為我們之前看了一下 |
| 00:05:51,000 | 00:05:53,000 | 也是這份報告裡面都有講到 |
| 00:05:53,000 | 00:05:55,000 | 實際上的毒價案件涉及不同級別的 |
| 00:05:55,000 | 00:05:57,000 | 毒品 |
| 00:05:57,000 | 00:05:59,000 | 異議 安非他命其實反而是 |
| 00:05:59,000 | 00:06:01,000 | 最高的 各位報告 |
| 00:06:01,000 | 00:06:03,000 | 它毒價歸毒價的處罰 它毒價之前 |
| 00:06:03,000 | 00:06:05,000 | 有個吸毒 吸毒的行為就要進入 |
| 00:06:05,000 | 00:06:07,000 | 我們剛剛講的處理模式 |
| 00:06:07,000 | 00:06:09,000 | 但是問題是有時候我們是因為在它毒價的時候 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:11,000 | 才有抓到它吸毒嘛 對不對 |
| 00:06:11,000 | 00:06:13,000 | 所以我現在就是講 當我們抓到它毒價的時候 |
| 00:06:13,000 | 00:06:15,000 | 你現在的刑罰 |
| 00:06:15,000 | 00:06:17,000 | 沒有考量 |
| 00:06:17,000 | 00:06:19,000 | 似乎沒有考量到這個 |
| 00:06:19,000 | 00:06:21,000 | 要讓它去做這個積極戒護 |
| 00:06:21,000 | 00:06:23,000 | 這個戒隱治療的部分 |
| 00:06:23,000 | 00:06:25,000 | 這是兩件可以並行的事情 |
| 00:06:25,000 | 00:06:27,000 | 除非它被羈押了 |
| 00:06:27,000 | 00:06:29,000 | 所以這個都好 沒關係 市長 |
| 00:06:29,000 | 00:06:31,000 | 所以你是說這兩件並行嗎 對不對 |
| 00:06:31,000 | 00:06:33,000 | 除非這個毒價被告它被羈押了 |
| 00:06:33,000 | 00:06:35,000 | 但是它單純前面那個吸毒行為 |
| 00:06:35,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 我們還是介入 我知道我們現在吸毒行為 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:39,000 | 非常明確了 我們就不用再討論了 |
| 00:06:39,000 | 00:06:41,000 | 我們現在討論的是毒價接下來 |
| 00:06:41,000 | 00:06:43,000 | 因為重點是說我們關了它 如果我們沒有幫它 |
| 00:06:43,000 | 00:06:45,000 | 去做這些相關的戒隱治療 |
| 00:06:45,000 | 00:06:47,000 | 它出來之後 如果以這個數字來看 |
| 00:06:47,000 | 00:06:49,000 | 它就會再犯嘛 |
| 00:06:49,000 | 00:06:51,000 | 我們今天就說它不要再犯嘛 |
| 00:06:51,000 | 00:06:53,000 | 所以接下來如何讓它去做這個戒隱治療 |
| 00:06:53,000 | 00:06:55,000 | 反而是我更希望你們可以清楚的 |
| 00:06:55,000 | 00:06:57,000 | 去呈現的 |
| 00:06:57,000 | 00:06:59,000 | 沒有問題 我跟你講 |
| 00:06:59,000 | 00:07:01,000 | 除非它毒價被羈押 沒有辦法施以戒隱治療 |
| 00:07:01,000 | 00:07:03,000 | 要把它吸毒行為 我們就會把它 |
| 00:07:03,000 | 00:07:05,000 | 送去戒隱治療 |
| 00:07:05,000 | 00:07:07,000 | 但是因為你現在毒價裡面 |
| 00:07:07,000 | 00:07:09,000 | 基本上就是直接關起來嘛 |
| 00:07:09,000 | 00:07:11,000 | 那是毒價 |
| 00:07:11,000 | 00:07:13,000 | 還是要符合羈押的要件 |
| 00:07:13,000 | 00:07:15,000 | 對 就是符合羈押的 |
| 00:07:15,000 | 00:07:17,000 | 因為我們今天在討論刑法 我一發五十三就是 |
| 00:07:17,000 | 00:07:19,000 | 它毒價的部分 它本來就應該做 |
| 00:07:19,000 | 00:07:21,000 | 毒價的刑法的處理嘛 |
| 00:07:21,000 | 00:07:23,000 | 毒價 價值的部分 |
| 00:07:23,000 | 00:07:25,000 | 但是毒的部分還是可以戒隱治療 |
| 00:07:25,000 | 00:07:27,000 | 它吸毒的部分還是可以做戒隱治療 |
| 00:07:27,000 | 00:07:29,000 | 所以我想釐清一件事情 |
| 00:07:29,000 | 00:07:31,000 | 因為我們現在的毒價 它只要符合那些要件 |
| 00:07:31,000 | 00:07:33,000 | 基本上它就是 |
| 00:07:33,000 | 00:07:35,000 | 現在應該是唾液尿檢 |
| 00:07:35,000 | 00:07:37,000 | 通過我們就會羈押了嘛 對不對 |
| 00:07:37,000 | 00:07:39,000 | 就當下法官去按個案 |
| 00:07:39,000 | 00:07:41,000 | 就是說它起訴嘛 我們就會起訴嘛 |
| 00:07:41,000 | 00:07:43,000 | 然後法官如果同意的話 基本上就羈押了嘛 |
| 00:07:43,000 | 00:07:45,000 | 對不對 對嘛 流程上是這樣 |
| 00:07:45,000 | 00:07:47,000 | 那它羈押之後 |
| 00:07:47,000 | 00:07:49,000 | 這個戒隱治療 |
| 00:07:49,000 | 00:07:51,000 | 因為它還是有一個吸毒行為嘛 |
| 00:07:51,000 | 00:07:53,000 | 沒錯 |
| 00:07:53,000 | 00:07:55,000 | 所以這個流程會怎麼走 |
| 00:07:55,000 | 00:07:57,000 | 如果它被羈押 事實上不可能 |
| 00:07:57,000 | 00:07:59,000 | 做戒隱治療 沒錯 |
| 00:07:59,000 | 00:08:01,000 | 當它一旦釋放之後 我們還是會把它 |
| 00:08:01,000 | 00:08:03,000 | 它還是要處理它吸毒的行為 |
| 00:08:03,000 | 00:08:05,000 | 它要付 救到吸毒行為付出它 |
| 00:08:05,000 | 00:08:07,000 | 這個部分我們約時間 |
| 00:08:07,000 | 00:08:09,000 | 我們待會會後約個時間 把這部分討論清楚 |
| 00:08:09,000 | 00:08:11,000 | 因為我還有一題要問喔 |
| 00:08:11,000 | 00:08:13,000 | 就是說 這個部分 因為我們其實 |
| 00:08:13,000 | 00:08:15,000 | 有看到就是 我們有一些 |
| 00:08:15,000 | 00:08:17,000 | 價值 因為我們現在呢 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:19,000 | 在這個 |
| 00:08:19,000 | 00:08:21,000 | 等待檢驗期間呢 |
| 00:08:21,000 | 00:08:23,000 | 對於一般的 |
| 00:08:23,000 | 00:08:25,000 | 這個民眾來說呢 |
| 00:08:25,000 | 00:08:27,000 | 其實不會有太大的影響 |
| 00:08:27,000 | 00:08:29,000 | 但是如果它今天是以自 |
| 00:08:29,000 | 00:08:31,000 | 這個駕駛計程車或是貨運車量 |
| 00:08:31,000 | 00:08:33,000 | 或是其他職業而言的話呢 |
| 00:08:33,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 它一旦不能營業 它的收入就立即中斷 |
| 00:08:35,000 | 00:08:37,000 | 那以向交通部 |
| 00:08:37,000 | 00:08:39,000 | 112年的計程車營運狀況調查呢 |
| 00:08:39,000 | 00:08:41,000 | 其實他們每個月的總收入 |
| 00:08:41,000 | 00:08:43,000 | 只有48766元 |
| 00:08:43,000 | 00:08:45,000 | 扣除燃料費啦 |
| 00:08:45,000 | 00:08:47,000 | 維修啦 保險費啦 巴拉巴拉 |
| 00:08:47,000 | 00:08:49,000 | 它每個月淨收入其實只有 |
| 00:08:49,000 | 00:08:51,000 | 26957元 平均 |
| 00:08:51,000 | 00:08:53,000 | 每一天大概就是 |
| 00:08:53,000 | 00:08:55,000 | 1066元 |
| 00:08:55,000 | 00:08:57,000 | 那當然我也完全同意 |
| 00:08:57,000 | 00:08:59,000 | 我們一定要去做這些 |
| 00:08:59,000 | 00:09:01,000 | 唾液篩檢 都是非常重要 |
| 00:09:01,000 | 00:09:03,000 | 維護公共安全的一個問題 |
| 00:09:03,000 | 00:09:05,000 | 但是現在想要跟次長來討論 |
| 00:09:05,000 | 00:09:07,000 | 我們是不是能夠讓他們 |
| 00:09:07,000 | 00:09:09,000 | 儘速地得到相關的結果啦 |
| 00:09:09,000 | 00:09:11,000 | 因為就是說 因為我們現在 |
| 00:09:11,000 | 00:09:13,000 | 可能進行強制 都會去處理 |
| 00:09:13,000 | 00:09:15,000 | 這個可能進行處分的案件為優先 |
| 00:09:15,000 | 00:09:17,000 | 可是實際上進入快速通道 |
| 00:09:17,000 | 00:09:19,000 | 大概只有200多件 |
| 00:09:19,000 | 00:09:21,000 | 好 那這樣等於是說平均要等10天 |
| 00:09:21,000 | 00:09:23,000 | 甚至可能會到12天 |
| 00:09:23,000 | 00:09:25,000 | 如果再等更久 |
| 00:09:25,000 | 00:09:27,000 | 就到一個月等 |
| 00:09:27,000 | 00:09:29,000 | 等於他就失去了整個月的收入了啦 |
| 00:09:29,000 | 00:09:31,000 | 所以是說 |
| 00:09:31,000 | 00:09:33,000 | 抱歉 警政署可以一起來 |
| 00:09:33,000 | 00:09:35,000 | 抱歉我一分鐘 |
| 00:09:35,000 | 00:09:37,000 | 警政署可不可以一起來 |
| 00:09:41,000 | 00:09:43,000 | 就是說今天有合理的 |
| 00:09:43,000 | 00:09:45,000 | 獨家嫌疑 當然我也完全百分之百同意 |
| 00:09:45,000 | 00:09:47,000 | 但是是說 我們是不是可以評估 |
| 00:09:47,000 | 00:09:49,000 | 將營業車輛 身材工具 |
| 00:09:49,000 | 00:09:51,000 | 以及駕駛人是否以此作為主要收入 |
| 00:09:51,000 | 00:09:55,000 | 納入快速尿檢的優先判斷標準呢 |
| 00:09:55,000 | 00:09:57,000 | 那如果納入的話 |
| 00:09:57,000 | 00:09:59,000 | 對於我們的檢驗量能會不會有造成什麼樣子的影響 |
| 00:09:59,000 | 00:10:01,000 | 是不是也可以簡單說明 |
| 00:10:01,000 | 00:10:03,000 | 各位報告 現在事實上擴大這個 |
| 00:10:03,000 | 00:10:05,000 | 檢驗的量能 現在整個行政院團隊 |
| 00:10:05,000 | 00:10:07,000 | 都積極在努力啦 |
| 00:10:07,000 | 00:10:09,000 | 那量的部分我們已經加強 |
| 00:10:09,000 | 00:10:11,000 | 除了現有的機制之外 我們會把北榮中榮 |
| 00:10:11,000 | 00:10:13,000 | 或郡醫院都把它納入我們整個檢驗的量能 |
| 00:10:13,000 | 00:10:15,000 | 對 所以是不是可以把這些 |
| 00:10:15,000 | 00:10:17,000 | 可能如果他是以營業 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:19,000 | 他的營業工具的這些人是不是也可以 |
| 00:10:19,000 | 00:10:21,000 | 把他納入快速的 |
| 00:10:21,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 檢驗的優先快速通道呢 |
| 00:10:23,000 | 00:10:25,000 | 是否是可以的 我們現在抬高檢究 |
| 00:10:25,000 | 00:10:27,000 | 這個快速通道部分 他有一點基準 |
| 00:10:27,000 | 00:10:29,000 | 什麼時候在24小時之內就必須要 |
| 00:10:29,000 | 00:10:31,000 | 檢驗出來的 對 但是因為似乎 |
| 00:10:31,000 | 00:10:33,000 | 這些人是並沒有被納入 可是其實對他的 |
| 00:10:33,000 | 00:10:35,000 | 生計直接造成影響嘛 |
| 00:10:35,000 | 00:10:37,000 | 而且他被保管的這十多天 |
| 00:10:37,000 | 00:10:39,000 | 他所承受的不利益啦 其實可能 |
| 00:10:39,000 | 00:10:41,000 | 也沒有比一般的強制處分更輕 |
| 00:10:41,000 | 00:10:43,000 | 所以是否可以來考量 |
| 00:10:43,000 | 00:10:45,000 | 他們的這樣子的一個 |
| 00:10:45,000 | 00:10:47,000 | 需求 因為他是生材工具 |
| 00:10:47,000 | 00:10:49,000 | 各位報告 那這部分 |
| 00:10:49,000 | 00:10:51,000 | 他可能是道交條例的問題 |
| 00:10:51,000 | 00:10:53,000 | 他開這個車被扣押嘛 |
| 00:10:53,000 | 00:10:55,000 | 那可能交通部道交條例 |
| 00:10:55,000 | 00:10:57,000 | 去扣這台車的問題 |
| 00:10:57,000 | 00:10:59,000 | 但是因為警政署上次是因為 |
| 00:10:59,000 | 00:11:01,000 | 快速通道這部分應該還是要警政署這邊來協助嘛 |
| 00:11:01,000 | 00:11:03,000 | 對不對 是不是警政署 |
| 00:11:03,000 | 00:11:05,000 | 是 現在我們目前的做法 |
| 00:11:05,000 | 00:11:07,000 | 是如果說當事人在 |
| 00:11:07,000 | 00:11:09,000 | 現場他有依賴的話 我們就會 |
| 00:11:09,000 | 00:11:11,000 | 啟動這個綠色通道 |
| 00:11:11,000 | 00:11:13,000 | 所以你說現場當事人怎樣 |
| 00:11:13,000 | 00:11:15,000 | 當事人 因為我們會 |
| 00:11:15,000 | 00:11:17,000 | 看這個當時的狀況 因為有時候 |
| 00:11:17,000 | 00:11:19,000 | 我們也是很懷疑這偽陽性嘛 |
| 00:11:19,000 | 00:11:21,000 | 因為有時候他會主張他根本沒有吸毒 |
| 00:11:21,000 | 00:11:23,000 | 然後我們 |
| 00:11:23,000 | 00:11:25,000 | 當然 因為現在藥價 |
| 00:11:25,000 | 00:11:27,000 | 因為現在這個藥也有可能嘛 之前也有些案例 |
| 00:11:27,000 | 00:11:29,000 | 是因為是藥價嘛 |
| 00:11:29,000 | 00:11:31,000 | 所以這部分我們有在注意 |
| 00:11:31,000 | 00:11:33,000 | 那麼我們當然內部也在研議 |
| 00:11:33,000 | 00:11:35,000 | 內部在研議是說針對 |
| 00:11:35,000 | 00:11:37,000 | 其實我主張的是說 因為如果全部都 |
| 00:11:37,000 | 00:11:39,000 | 讓大家各自主張說 我這個很需要 |
| 00:11:39,000 | 00:11:41,000 | 我要很快 我當然覺得這是 |
| 00:11:41,000 | 00:11:43,000 | 不可以的啦 應該還是要一個合理的一些 |
| 00:11:43,000 | 00:11:45,000 | 判斷依據 那只是說是不是 |
| 00:11:45,000 | 00:11:47,000 | 可以把這些 因為他們真的就是 |
| 00:11:47,000 | 00:11:49,000 | 這就是他主要的身材工具了 他主要 |
| 00:11:49,000 | 00:11:51,000 | 賴以為生的東西 如果他要一直等 |
| 00:11:51,000 | 00:11:53,000 | 一直等 確實會對他造成影響 而且他可能 |
| 00:11:53,000 | 00:11:55,000 | 並不是毒假 |
| 00:11:55,000 | 00:11:57,000 | 因為這個的確是存在的 |
| 00:11:57,000 | 00:11:59,000 | 所以是不是也可以把這部分一併的 |
| 00:11:59,000 | 00:12:01,000 | 來考量 好不好 |
| 00:12:01,000 | 00:12:03,000 | 那是不是大概什麼時候可以給我們一個評估的結果呢 |
| 00:12:03,000 | 00:12:05,000 | 我想我們內部的做法 |
| 00:12:05,000 | 00:12:07,000 | 我想我們會後 我們整理之後 |
| 00:12:07,000 | 00:12:09,000 | 再送原的 那大概多久的時間 |
| 00:12:09,000 | 00:12:11,000 | 那我們可以來追蹤相關的進度 |
| 00:12:11,000 | 00:12:13,000 | 我想是不是 |
| 00:12:13,000 | 00:12:15,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:12:15,000 | 00:12:17,000 | 這個檢驗的部分是三大 |
| 00:12:17,000 | 00:12:19,000 | 機構 剛剛我們次長講的 |
| 00:12:19,000 | 00:12:21,000 | 包括北農這些是現在目前 |
| 00:12:21,000 | 00:12:23,000 | 是把納入 衛務部納入 |
| 00:12:23,000 | 00:12:25,000 | 所以這個快速通道的 |
| 00:12:25,000 | 00:12:27,000 | 整個檢驗是衛務部在阻擇 |
| 00:12:27,000 | 00:12:29,000 | 先跟委員報告 那刑事局 |
| 00:12:29,000 | 00:12:31,000 | 當然是這個檢驗 |
| 00:12:31,000 | 00:12:33,000 | 機構裡面的三 目前是三大 |
| 00:12:33,000 | 00:12:35,000 | 之一 有法院就所調查局 還有 |
| 00:12:35,000 | 00:12:37,000 | 我們刑事局 這只是三大之一而已 |
| 00:12:37,000 | 00:12:39,000 | 那我們的部分只是我們 |
| 00:12:39,000 | 00:12:41,000 | 我們沒辦法代表其他所有的機關 |
| 00:12:41,000 | 00:12:43,000 | 那針對如果是我們的部分 |
| 00:12:43,000 | 00:12:45,000 | 那是誰來判斷他要不要走快速通道 |
| 00:12:45,000 | 00:12:47,000 | 不是就是現場的 現場嗎 |
| 00:12:47,000 | 00:12:49,000 | 現場的警察嗎 像剛剛委員講的 |
| 00:12:49,000 | 00:12:51,000 | 那你說進行測的部分 |
| 00:12:51,000 | 00:12:53,000 | 我們會看現場的狀況 |
| 00:12:53,000 | 00:12:55,000 | 比如說好 你進行測的部分 我們驗出來 |
| 00:12:55,000 | 00:12:57,000 | 脫一塊塞他是陽性的 現場 |
| 00:12:57,000 | 00:12:59,000 | 又嘲諷毒品 這還需要快速通道嗎 |
| 00:12:59,000 | 00:13:01,000 | 這當然是沒有問題啊 我們今天講的都不是這種 |
| 00:13:01,000 | 00:13:03,000 | 明確的case嘛 |
| 00:13:03,000 | 00:13:05,000 | 所以我們今天講的都是一些 |
| 00:13:05,000 | 00:13:07,000 | 就是真正的他持有毒品 |
| 00:13:07,000 | 00:13:09,000 | 他不符合這些要件嘛 |
| 00:13:09,000 | 00:13:11,000 | 因為不符合要件的話 那但是他現在 |
| 00:13:11,000 | 00:13:13,000 | 是沒有辦法走快速通道嘛 對不對 |
| 00:13:13,000 | 00:13:15,000 | 所以才會想說是不是 |
| 00:13:15,000 | 00:13:17,000 | 可以把這一段的人 不是必然的可以走 |
| 00:13:17,000 | 00:13:19,000 | 對 我知道 我知道 對 我知道他不是 |
| 00:13:19,000 | 00:13:21,000 | 必然可以走 所以 但是因為這些 |
| 00:13:21,000 | 00:13:23,000 | 這些人 他不符合要件的 |
| 00:13:23,000 | 00:13:25,000 | 狀況之下 可是他是偽陽性的時候 |
| 00:13:25,000 | 00:13:27,000 | 他還是要做尿檢嘛 對不對 |
| 00:13:27,000 | 00:13:29,000 | 這個流程上面就是要這樣 那誰可以走 |
| 00:13:29,000 | 00:13:31,000 | 快速通道 就是警察現場的判斷嘛 |
| 00:13:31,000 | 00:13:33,000 | 對不對 我想這個部分 |
| 00:13:33,000 | 00:13:35,000 | 這個部分牽涉到量能啦 |
| 00:13:35,000 | 00:13:37,000 | 然後我們是不是在 因為我們行政院現在 |
| 00:13:37,000 | 00:13:39,000 | 已經有一個 包括交通部 |
| 00:13:39,000 | 00:13:41,000 | 包括法務部 包括衛福部 包括我們 |
| 00:13:41,000 | 00:13:43,000 | 我們再來提討論 對 所以我現在 |
| 00:13:43,000 | 00:13:45,000 | 就是要問說 我大概什麼時候可以來追 |
| 00:13:45,000 | 00:13:47,000 | 進度嘛 大概什麼時候 |
| 00:13:47,000 | 00:13:49,000 | 你會有結果 我們可以提 |
| 00:13:49,000 | 00:13:51,000 | 但是這個部分是整體 我們行政院的 |
| 00:13:51,000 | 00:13:53,000 | 整個團隊要一起考量的 |
| 00:13:53,000 | 00:13:55,000 | 好 那不然這樣好不好 我簡單 |
| 00:13:55,000 | 00:13:57,000 | 做個結論了啦 就一個月之後讓我們知道 |
| 00:13:57,000 | 00:13:59,000 | 現在進度 可以嗎 好 好不好 謝謝 |
| 00:13:59,000 | 00:14:01,000 | 好 謝謝 |
| 00:14:01,000 | 00:14:03,000 | 謝謝 商委 |