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林楚茵 @ 第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第28次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:02,440 | 主席謝謝 有請陸委會省副主委 |
| 00:00:02,440 | 00:00:05,000 | 我們先讓這個林佳和林部長休息一下 |
| 00:00:05,000 | 00:00:05,900 | 等一下稍後 |
| 00:00:05,900 | 00:00:06,660 | 副主委請 |
| 00:00:06,660 | 00:00:08,800 | 也會問到林部長 對 |
| 00:00:10,640 | 00:00:11,140 | 好 |
| 00:00:11,880 | 00:00:12,380 | 副主委 |
| 00:00:12,380 | 00:00:13,220 | 趕快喝水喔 |
| 00:00:13,220 | 00:00:14,220 | 是不是謝謝委員 |
| 00:00:14,220 | 00:00:14,720 | 呃 |
| 00:00:15,220 | 00:00:16,820 | 我們今天講到這個梅宣喔 |
| 00:00:16,820 | 00:00:20,220 | 因為陸委會是主管這個中國事務 |
| 00:00:20,220 | 00:00:21,620 | 所以說你知道 |
| 00:00:21,620 | 00:00:23,420 | 中共每年砸多少權 |
| 00:00:23,420 | 00:00:26,420 | 在進行全球的大外宣的行銷嗎 |
| 00:00:26,420 | 00:00:26,920 | 嗯 |
| 00:00:26,920 | 00:00:27,660 | 你有數字嗎 |
| 00:00:27,960 | 00:00:29,300 | 我們基本上能夠掌握的 |
| 00:00:29,320 | 00:00:31,660 | 大概也都是中共官方公布的這個數據 |
| 00:00:31,660 | 00:00:32,600 | 但基本上可能 |
| 00:00:32,600 | 00:00:35,200 | 他沒有公布的這個數字恐怕是更高 |
| 00:00:35,200 | 00:00:37,240 | 所以以譬如說以人員為例的話 |
| 00:00:37,240 | 00:00:39,880 | 像我們陸委會大概編制就是兩百多人喔 |
| 00:00:39,880 | 00:00:40,840 | 那我們知道 |
| 00:00:40,840 | 00:00:42,280 | 中共的這個對台事務的話 |
| 00:00:42,280 | 00:00:45,040 | 他的人員就有差不多將近數十萬人 |
| 00:00:45,040 | 00:00:46,240 | 那在預算上來講的話 |
| 00:00:46,240 | 00:00:48,820 | 他們更是宣稱說統戰是無上限 |
| 00:00:48,820 | 00:00:50,720 | 所以包含像梅宣啦 |
| 00:00:50,720 | 00:00:52,160 | 或包含像其他這個議題來講 |
| 00:00:52,160 | 00:00:53,360 | 我們我們我們出估啦 |
| 00:00:53,360 | 00:00:54,380 | 他的這個經費 |
| 00:00:54,380 | 00:00:56,420 | 大概遠遠是高過於我們這邊 |
| 00:00:56,420 | 00:00:57,620 | 好 我給你一個數字喔 |
| 00:00:57,620 | 00:00:59,419 | 這是我從自由時報找到的 |
| 00:00:59,419 | 00:01:01,620 | 那麼這是在今年三月的報導 |
| 00:01:01,620 | 00:01:03,320 | 就是中國全球的巡消費 |
| 00:01:03,320 | 00:01:05,920 | 是高達七十億美元到一百億美元 |
| 00:01:05,920 | 00:01:07,320 | 言下之意換算台幣 |
| 00:01:07,320 | 00:01:11,700 | 大概就是兩千兩百四十億到三千兩百億 |
| 00:01:11,700 | 00:01:13,060 | 陸委會一年預算多少 |
| 00:01:13,060 | 00:01:14,160 | 宣傳預算多少 |
| 00:01:14,160 | 00:01:15,600 | 宣傳宣傳就好 |
| 00:01:15,600 | 00:01:18,500 | 我們的這個梅宣費一年大概就是一千多塊 |
| 00:01:18,500 | 00:01:21,400 | 好 這真的果然是小蝦米對大鯨魚啦 |
| 00:01:21,400 | 00:01:23,000 | 這是幾百分之一啦 |
| 00:01:23,000 | 00:01:24,640 | 但是我要提到的是 |
| 00:01:25,160 | 00:01:27,300 | 我們今天談到的這種 |
| 00:01:27,300 | 00:01:29,740 | 所謂已經是勢力上的不對等 |
| 00:01:29,740 | 00:01:31,540 | 結果你們還被砍光光啦 |
| 00:01:31,540 | 00:01:34,540 | 但是我要先來就事實來做詢問 |
| 00:01:34,540 | 00:01:35,380 | 因為呢 |
| 00:01:35,380 | 00:01:37,240 | 我知道陸委會最近不斷的在公布 |
| 00:01:37,240 | 00:01:38,680 | 就是國人腹中 |
| 00:01:38,680 | 00:01:41,020 | 尤其是具有軍公教身份的時候 |
| 00:01:41,020 | 00:01:42,340 | 就會被盤查 |
| 00:01:42,340 | 00:01:43,820 | 但是現在竟然有媒體說 |
| 00:01:43,820 | 00:01:45,460 | 這個是個假消息 |
| 00:01:45,460 | 00:01:46,780 | 你們真的很慘耶 |
| 00:01:46,780 | 00:01:48,660 | 梅宣費被砍光就算了 |
| 00:01:48,660 | 00:01:49,960 | 你們現在公布新聞稿 |
| 00:01:49,960 | 00:01:51,520 | 還被媒體說是假消息 |
| 00:01:51,520 | 00:01:52,660 | 這到底是真的還假的 |
| 00:01:52,679 | 00:01:54,880 | 因為也有人來跟我陳情喔 |
| 00:01:54,880 | 00:01:58,280 | 就說他本身是高階軍官的家屬 |
| 00:01:58,280 | 00:02:00,460 | 結果他只是家屬 |
| 00:02:00,460 | 00:02:03,259 | 中共既然是已說 |
| 00:02:03,259 | 00:02:05,600 | 他入住投訴之後 |
| 00:02:05,600 | 00:02:08,400 | 他的小孩沒有登記身份證 |
| 00:02:08,400 | 00:02:10,800 | 然後他就隨便報了一個身份證 |
| 00:02:10,800 | 00:02:13,000 | 結果這個盤查的單位居然說 |
| 00:02:13,000 | 00:02:16,000 | 欸 這個身份證不對耶 |
| 00:02:16,000 | 00:02:17,440 | 他整個嚇到 |
| 00:02:17,440 | 00:02:18,540 | 我要問的就是 |
| 00:02:18,540 | 00:02:21,040 | 現在我們高階將領是不是整個 |
| 00:02:21,060 | 00:02:23,299 | 不只是他的個資全都外洩 |
| 00:02:23,299 | 00:02:24,299 | 連他的親屬 |
| 00:02:24,299 | 00:02:26,440 | 他的家人的個資都外洩 |
| 00:02:26,440 | 00:02:28,160 | 都遭到查核嗎 |
| 00:02:28,160 | 00:02:30,040 | 中國掌控台灣的資訊 |
| 00:02:30,040 | 00:02:31,899 | 一定要這麼嚴重嗎 |
| 00:02:31,899 | 00:02:33,000 | 跟委員報告說說 |
| 00:02:33,000 | 00:02:34,940 | 基本上這個東西不是個案喔 |
| 00:02:34,940 | 00:02:36,480 | 它應該是一個系統性的風險 |
| 00:02:36,480 | 00:02:38,280 | 正在逐步的提高當中 |
| 00:02:38,280 | 00:02:40,380 | 所以包含像是媒體報導出來的 |
| 00:02:40,380 | 00:02:43,480 | 這個高階軍官的子女的部分 |
| 00:02:43,480 | 00:02:44,920 | 還有前一陣子我們掌握到的 |
| 00:02:44,920 | 00:02:46,920 | 像是兩位警察的這個部分 |
| 00:02:46,920 | 00:02:49,060 | 甚至在更早以前有法官的這個部分 |
| 00:02:49,080 | 00:02:51,080 | 我們都發現到他們入境之後 |
| 00:02:51,080 | 00:02:53,580 | 就直接被特定的單位給帶走盤查 |
| 00:02:53,580 | 00:02:56,080 | 甚至是到他們下大的環境去詢問 |
| 00:02:56,080 | 00:02:57,660 | 那問的問題都非常的專業 |
| 00:02:57,660 | 00:02:59,060 | 而且都非常的針對性 |
| 00:02:59,060 | 00:03:01,720 | 所以顯然就是說他們事前就已經掌握到 |
| 00:03:01,720 | 00:03:03,720 | 要入境的這些人他們的背景 |
| 00:03:03,720 | 00:03:05,360 | 他們過去服務的一些單位 |
| 00:03:05,360 | 00:03:06,860 | 甚至他們工作的對象 |
| 00:03:06,860 | 00:03:09,000 | 所以才會問的非常的到位的問題 |
| 00:03:09,000 | 00:03:10,600 | 表示他們是有備而來 |
| 00:03:10,600 | 00:03:12,460 | 所以我們在這邊陸委會大概也還是 |
| 00:03:12,460 | 00:03:15,600 | 會針對特定的人事附入風險的部分 |
| 00:03:15,600 | 00:03:16,440 | 來提醒國人 |
| 00:03:16,440 | 00:03:18,840 | 包含像是從事國安單位的 |
| 00:03:18,860 | 00:03:20,860 | 或者是安全單位的一些公務人員 |
| 00:03:20,860 | 00:03:23,100 | 另外還有特定的這個宗教人士 |
| 00:03:23,100 | 00:03:25,760 | 現在非必要的話就請勿遣返 |
| 00:03:25,760 | 00:03:28,260 | 請勿遣往這個鹿港澳地區 |
| 00:03:28,260 | 00:03:30,260 | 那這個還是我們陸委會基本的這個政策 |
| 00:03:30,260 | 00:03:33,500 | 好其實我認為這個面對中國的 |
| 00:03:33,500 | 00:03:36,200 | 所謂的不論是法律戰心理戰 |
| 00:03:36,200 | 00:03:39,540 | 甚至於實質的就把手伸進台灣的滲透 |
| 00:03:39,540 | 00:03:41,640 | 我想其實在國防外交委員會的委員 |
| 00:03:41,640 | 00:03:43,740 | 因為還有其他的單位包括國安局 |
| 00:03:43,740 | 00:03:45,740 | 會來報告我們都非常的清楚 |
| 00:03:45,740 | 00:03:47,940 | 所以說面對這樣的消息 |
| 00:03:48,040 | 00:03:50,040 | 我覺得揭露是最重要的 |
| 00:03:50,040 | 00:03:52,040 | 所以本席還是鼓勵陸委會必須 |
| 00:03:52,040 | 00:03:54,040 | 定期的把這樣的資訊讓國人知道 |
| 00:03:54,040 | 00:03:54,540 | 是 |
| 00:03:54,540 | 00:03:56,540 | 好另外主席我要有請那個 |
| 00:03:56,540 | 00:03:58,540 | 外交部長林佳龍 |
| 00:03:58,540 | 00:03:59,540 | 林部長 |
| 00:03:59,540 | 00:04:00,540 | 林部長 |
| 00:04:00,540 | 00:04:03,540 | 好那沈副主委還是稍後 |
| 00:04:03,540 | 00:04:05,540 | 因為我剛剛特別問到了 |
| 00:04:05,540 | 00:04:08,540 | 就是中國大外宣 |
| 00:04:08,540 | 00:04:10,040 | 其實不要講大外宣 |
| 00:04:10,040 | 00:04:12,040 | 他們在做他們的宣傳 |
| 00:04:12,040 | 00:04:16,040 | 一年就有2240億到3000億 |
| 00:04:16,040 | 00:04:17,540 | 之間的宣傳費 |
| 00:04:17,640 | 00:04:19,640 | 然後呢因為本席是媒體出來 |
| 00:04:19,640 | 00:04:21,640 | 所以本席特別去查了 |
| 00:04:21,640 | 00:04:24,640 | 中國一家官媒叫做中國日報 |
| 00:04:24,640 | 00:04:27,640 | 他在2016年到2020年 |
| 00:04:27,640 | 00:04:30,640 | 向美國媒體支付的廣告費 |
| 00:04:30,640 | 00:04:35,640 | 就高達新台幣6.08億元 |
| 00:04:35,640 | 00:04:37,640 | 一間官媒 |
| 00:04:37,640 | 00:04:40,640 | 都可以跟美國支付廣告費 |
| 00:04:40,640 | 00:04:42,640 | 他支付這個廣告費是為了什麼 |
| 00:04:43,640 | 00:04:44,640 | 部長你認為 |
| 00:04:44,740 | 00:04:47,740 | 為什麼官媒還要去買媒體 |
| 00:04:47,740 | 00:04:50,740 | 包括委員我們現在外館111個 |
| 00:04:50,740 | 00:04:52,740 | 我們很多外館都面對到 |
| 00:04:52,740 | 00:04:54,740 | 中共的大使不斷在刊登 |
| 00:04:54,740 | 00:04:55,740 | 在最大報 |
| 00:04:55,740 | 00:04:57,740 | 甚至有時候是半版更多的 |
| 00:04:57,740 | 00:05:00,740 | 他們的立場或聲明 |
| 00:05:00,740 | 00:05:03,740 | 我們當然也會反駁 |
| 00:05:03,740 | 00:05:05,740 | 不過相對來講聲量當然就沒有 |
| 00:05:05,740 | 00:05:06,740 | 強化那麼大 |
| 00:05:06,740 | 00:05:08,740 | 那在美國當然我們那個北美 |
| 00:05:08,740 | 00:05:09,740 | 市長 |
| 00:05:09,740 | 00:05:11,740 | 美國如果有那個 |
| 00:05:11,740 | 00:05:13,740 | 我們真的是沒有辦法去做 |
| 00:05:13,840 | 00:05:14,840 | 這些宣傳廣告 |
| 00:05:14,840 | 00:05:16,840 | 因為其實單單我們日常運作的運費 |
| 00:05:16,840 | 00:05:20,840 | 其實美國現在13變14個館 |
| 00:05:20,840 | 00:05:23,840 | 其實基本上都只能夠透過其他 |
| 00:05:23,840 | 00:05:27,840 | 免費的方式或是製造新聞 |
| 00:05:27,840 | 00:05:29,840 | 所以部長發臉書 |
| 00:05:29,840 | 00:05:31,840 | 然後陸委會副主委發臉書 |
| 00:05:31,840 | 00:05:33,840 | 然後台灣一個 |
| 00:05:33,840 | 00:05:35,840 | 今天聽說股市開盤 |
| 00:05:35,840 | 00:05:37,840 | 還漲了1000多點的 |
| 00:05:37,840 | 00:05:39,840 | 這樣一個經濟蓬勃的實績體 |
| 00:05:39,840 | 00:05:42,840 | 居然是要求部會首長去發臉書 |
| 00:05:42,940 | 00:05:43,940 | 那他們就去當網紅 |
| 00:05:43,940 | 00:05:45,940 | 我覺得你們去當網紅就好了 |
| 00:05:45,940 | 00:05:47,940 | 怎麼會有這樣的在野黨委員 |
| 00:05:47,940 | 00:05:48,940 | 這樣的提案我是不理解 |
| 00:05:48,940 | 00:05:50,940 | 但是回到嚴肅的話題 |
| 00:05:50,940 | 00:05:52,940 | 就以前一陣子 |
| 00:05:52,940 | 00:05:54,940 | 這個美日針對他們的 |
| 00:05:54,940 | 00:05:56,940 | 專屬經濟海域談判的背後 |
| 00:05:56,940 | 00:05:58,940 | 現在已經被揭露了 |
| 00:05:58,940 | 00:05:59,940 | 其實帶風向的背後 |
| 00:05:59,940 | 00:06:01,940 | 是有中國的認知戰 |
| 00:06:01,940 | 00:06:03,940 | 事實上部長你非常清楚 |
| 00:06:03,940 | 00:06:05,940 | 在美日的談判當中 |
| 00:06:05,940 | 00:06:06,940 | 根本沒有提到經濟海域 |
| 00:06:06,940 | 00:06:09,940 | 但是網路上所傳的這一個圖片 |
| 00:06:09,940 | 00:06:11,940 | 根本就是假消息 |
| 00:06:12,040 | 00:06:14,040 | 他用的是一個美國智庫 |
| 00:06:14,040 | 00:06:16,040 | 針對各國的經濟海域 |
| 00:06:16,040 | 00:06:18,040 | 所套上的一個圖 |
| 00:06:18,040 | 00:06:20,040 | 然後他特別的 |
| 00:06:20,040 | 00:06:22,040 | 只放上日本的 |
| 00:06:22,040 | 00:06:23,040 | 菲律賓的 |
| 00:06:23,040 | 00:06:25,040 | 但是故意 |
| 00:06:25,040 | 00:06:27,040 | 掠取台灣的經濟海域 |
| 00:06:27,040 | 00:06:30,040 | 然後就用這種假消息的方式 |
| 00:06:30,040 | 00:06:32,040 | 在做法律戰 |
| 00:06:32,040 | 00:06:33,040 | 認知戰 |
| 00:06:33,040 | 00:06:35,040 | 然後企圖其實是要 |
| 00:06:35,040 | 00:06:38,040 | 掩蓋當時中國騷擾我們東部海域 |
| 00:06:38,040 | 00:06:40,040 | 等於是一個裡應外合 |
| 00:06:40,140 | 00:06:42,140 | 但可悲的是 |
| 00:06:42,140 | 00:06:44,140 | 在我們國內有媒體 |
| 00:06:44,140 | 00:06:46,140 | 包括還有在野黨的政治人物 |
| 00:06:46,140 | 00:06:48,140 | 就配合著操作 |
| 00:06:48,140 | 00:06:50,140 | 這明明就是一個假圖假訊息 |
| 00:06:50,140 | 00:06:52,140 | 我想不止陸委會 |
| 00:06:52,140 | 00:06:54,140 | 包括外交部 |
| 00:06:54,140 | 00:06:56,140 | 當時也不斷的做澄清 |
| 00:06:56,140 | 00:06:57,140 | 對不對 |
| 00:06:57,140 | 00:06:59,140 | 部長當時外交部也澄清說 |
| 00:06:59,140 | 00:07:01,140 | 在那一次的談判當中 |
| 00:07:01,140 | 00:07:03,140 | 其實是不涉及所謂經濟海域的 |
| 00:07:03,140 | 00:07:05,140 | 那像面對這樣的狀況 |
| 00:07:05,140 | 00:07:07,140 | 尤其是中國 |
| 00:07:07,140 | 00:07:09,140 | 投入將近三千億 |
| 00:07:09,240 | 00:07:11,240 | 的媒體宣傳 |
| 00:07:11,240 | 00:07:13,240 | 甚至於一家中國日報 |
| 00:07:13,240 | 00:07:15,240 | 都可以數年來花六億 |
| 00:07:15,240 | 00:07:17,240 | 在買美國的媒體 |
| 00:07:17,240 | 00:07:19,240 | 那麼面對這種錯假訊息的時候 |
| 00:07:19,240 | 00:07:21,240 | 該怎麼應對 |
| 00:07:21,240 | 00:07:23,240 | 如果沒有宣傳費 |
| 00:07:23,240 | 00:07:25,240 | 宣傳費砍到零 |
| 00:07:25,240 | 00:07:27,240 | 陸委會沒有宣傳費 |
| 00:07:27,240 | 00:07:29,240 | 外交部沒有宣傳費 |
| 00:07:29,240 | 00:07:31,240 | 然後再加上裡應外合 |
| 00:07:31,240 | 00:07:33,240 | 那麼面對這種錯誤的訊息 |
| 00:07:33,240 | 00:07:35,240 | 我必須講哦 |
| 00:07:35,240 | 00:07:37,240 | 這個對於漁民來講 |
| 00:07:37,340 | 00:07:39,340 | 是會造成恐慌的 |
| 00:07:39,340 | 00:07:41,340 | 因為他們擔心他們接下來的 |
| 00:07:41,340 | 00:07:43,340 | 所謂作業的海域 |
| 00:07:43,340 | 00:07:45,340 | 是會被遭到限制 |
| 00:07:45,340 | 00:07:47,340 | 甚至於無法合法捕魚 |
| 00:07:47,340 | 00:07:49,340 | 但是對於台灣跟菲律賓之間 |
| 00:07:49,340 | 00:07:51,340 | 我們其實是有 |
| 00:07:51,340 | 00:07:53,340 | 台菲漁業執法的合作協定 |
| 00:07:55,340 | 00:07:57,340 | 台日也有漁業的作業協定 |
| 00:07:57,340 | 00:07:59,340 | 可是這些訊息 |
| 00:07:59,340 | 00:08:01,340 | 就會出不去啊 |
| 00:08:01,340 | 00:08:03,340 | 新聞稿有用嗎 |
| 00:08:03,340 | 00:08:05,340 | 而且國際上是不是 |
| 00:08:05,440 | 00:08:07,440 | 會對這樣的訊息錯誤帶了風向 |
| 00:08:07,440 | 00:08:09,440 | 因為中國正在加碼宣傳 |
| 00:08:09,440 | 00:08:11,440 | 所以我要問的是 |
| 00:08:11,440 | 00:08:13,440 | 面對這樣的狀況 |
| 00:08:13,440 | 00:08:15,440 | 外交部跟陸委會 |
| 00:08:15,440 | 00:08:17,440 | 那麼你們該怎麼來做 |
| 00:08:17,440 | 00:08:19,440 | 因為我必須要講哦 |
| 00:08:19,440 | 00:08:21,440 | 今天的報告特別提到的是 |
| 00:08:21,440 | 00:08:23,440 | 國際宣傳的時機 |
| 00:08:23,440 | 00:08:25,440 | 那麼顯然我相信 |
| 00:08:25,440 | 00:08:27,440 | 包括在我家內的國民黨委員 |
| 00:08:27,440 | 00:08:29,440 | 也都是同意要國際宣傳的 |
| 00:08:29,440 | 00:08:31,440 | 但是如果你們擁有經費了 |
| 00:08:31,440 | 00:08:33,439 | 你們要如何的 |
| 00:08:33,540 | 00:08:35,540 | 去做這樣的宣傳 |
| 00:08:35,540 | 00:08:37,540 | 而這樣的宣傳其實是捍衛 |
| 00:08:37,540 | 00:08:39,540 | 國家主權捍衛漁權 |
| 00:08:39,540 | 00:08:41,540 | 而且是第一線的 |
| 00:08:41,540 | 00:08:43,540 | 跟中國作戰 |
| 00:08:43,540 | 00:08:45,540 | 我會提出來這個事情是因為 |
| 00:08:45,540 | 00:08:47,540 | 血淋淋的教訓不只這一項 |
| 00:08:47,540 | 00:08:49,540 | 中國在做所謂認知作戰的 |
| 00:08:49,540 | 00:08:51,540 | 滲透甚至於 |
| 00:08:51,540 | 00:08:53,540 | 法律戰心理戰之外 |
| 00:08:53,540 | 00:08:55,540 | 他們是在灑金幣戰 |
| 00:08:55,540 | 00:08:57,540 | 那麼在這樣的 |
| 00:08:57,540 | 00:08:59,540 | 狀況底下我就請問 |
| 00:08:59,540 | 00:09:01,540 | 林部長還有 |
| 00:09:01,640 | 00:09:03,640 | 林副主委該怎麼樣應對 |
| 00:09:05,640 | 00:09:07,640 | 當然就是說 |
| 00:09:07,640 | 00:09:09,640 | 內容通路跟對象 |
| 00:09:09,640 | 00:09:11,640 | 我想宣傳 |
| 00:09:11,640 | 00:09:13,640 | 內容我們當然有嘛 |
| 00:09:13,640 | 00:09:15,640 | 可是如果你沒有通路 |
| 00:09:15,640 | 00:09:17,640 | 其實你有時候有些宣傳是針對特定的對象 |
| 00:09:17,640 | 00:09:19,640 | 是要投射 |
| 00:09:19,640 | 00:09:21,640 | 不能說我自己用我的社群媒體 |
| 00:09:21,640 | 00:09:23,640 | 然後全世界都來看沒有那麼 |
| 00:09:23,640 | 00:09:24,640 | 影響力 |
| 00:09:24,640 | 00:09:26,640 | 所以確實在宣傳上是要很精準 |
| 00:09:26,640 | 00:09:28,640 | 而這個是有一部分 |
| 00:09:28,640 | 00:09:30,640 | 會真的是跟媒宣的 |
| 00:09:30,740 | 00:09:32,740 | 投射 |
| 00:09:32,740 | 00:09:34,740 | 是需要預算的 |
| 00:09:34,740 | 00:09:36,740 | 你才能在很快的時間裡面 |
| 00:09:36,740 | 00:09:38,740 | 很精準的傳達 |
| 00:09:38,740 | 00:09:40,740 | 所以戰略溝通是 |
| 00:09:40,740 | 00:09:42,740 | 但宣傳是不可免的 |
| 00:09:42,740 | 00:09:44,740 | 這個部分我想 |
| 00:09:44,740 | 00:09:46,740 | 民主時代就是資訊 |
| 00:09:46,740 | 00:09:48,740 | 因為人民他做到的資訊會決定他的 |
| 00:09:48,740 | 00:09:50,740 | 判斷比如第一時間 |
| 00:09:50,740 | 00:09:52,740 | 這個其實你看中共的反應這麼快 |
| 00:09:52,740 | 00:09:54,740 | 包括武警傳包括所有 |
| 00:09:54,740 | 00:09:56,740 | 事實上他早就在我們東岸 |
| 00:09:56,740 | 00:09:58,740 | 在出路他現在 |
| 00:09:58,840 | 00:10:00,840 | 用這個中醫做理由又擴張 |
| 00:10:00,840 | 00:10:02,840 | 我們就變Defensive |
| 00:10:02,840 | 00:10:04,840 | 因為我們好像我們是不是被批准狀況外 |
| 00:10:04,840 | 00:10:06,840 | 事實上當然其實他們也都有講 |
| 00:10:06,840 | 00:10:08,840 | 這不涉及第三方 |
| 00:10:08,840 | 00:10:10,840 | 我們跟日飛之間也有我們的漁權 |
| 00:10:10,840 | 00:10:12,840 | 談判的協議等等 |
| 00:10:12,840 | 00:10:14,840 | 但是講不清楚 |
| 00:10:14,840 | 00:10:16,840 | 我們就是沒有這樣的一個很快速可以精準 |
| 00:10:16,840 | 00:10:18,840 | 投射去做 |
| 00:10:18,840 | 00:10:20,840 | 媒宣這樣的預算的話 |
| 00:10:20,840 | 00:10:22,840 | 我們的影響力當然 |
| 00:10:22,840 | 00:10:24,840 | 其實決戰可能就在第一瞬間 |
| 00:10:24,840 | 00:10:26,840 | 因為人們的印象一形成之後 |
| 00:10:26,940 | 00:10:28,940 | 再多要去解釋其實都很難 |
| 00:10:28,940 | 00:10:30,940 | 因為新的議題又來了 |
| 00:10:30,940 | 00:10:32,940 | 沒錯 外審本席會特別提這一題 |
| 00:10:32,940 | 00:10:34,940 | 因為這一題在6月初的時候 |
| 00:10:34,940 | 00:10:36,940 | 其實是 |
| 00:10:36,940 | 00:10:38,940 | 在5月28號 |
| 00:10:38,940 | 00:10:40,940 | 日飛談判之後6月初 |
| 00:10:40,940 | 00:10:42,940 | 其實被繳了一尺 |
| 00:10:42,940 | 00:10:44,940 | 非常大的新聞操作 |
| 00:10:44,940 | 00:10:46,940 | 但是事實上現在再來回顧 |
| 00:10:46,940 | 00:10:48,940 | 很多人忘記了 |
| 00:10:48,940 | 00:10:50,940 | 但是他的既知影響已經認為是不是 |
| 00:10:50,940 | 00:10:52,940 | 日飛已經親門踏戶 |
| 00:10:52,940 | 00:10:54,940 | 最後給一點時間給陸委會 |
| 00:10:54,940 | 00:10:57,040 | 現在請陸委會回應 |
| 00:11:25,040 | 00:11:27,040 | 有利於他們的這種所謂的新聞跟訊息 |
| 00:11:27,040 | 00:11:29,040 | 未來就會變成是他們的資料庫 |
| 00:11:29,040 | 00:11:31,040 | 放在AI上面 |
| 00:11:31,040 | 00:11:33,040 | 讓提供給國際的社會來去做運用 |
| 00:11:33,040 | 00:11:35,040 | 所以如果在這個部分我們安靜了 |
| 00:11:35,040 | 00:11:37,040 | 或者這個部分我們沒有辦法適時的回應的話 |
| 00:11:37,040 | 00:11:39,040 | 在整個網路的世界上 |
| 00:11:39,040 | 00:11:41,040 | 在整個AI的這個輿情上面來講 |
| 00:11:41,040 | 00:11:43,040 | 就會對台灣非常的不利 |
| 00:11:43,040 | 00:11:45,040 | 那陸委會這邊建議幾個基本的做法 |
| 00:11:45,040 | 00:11:47,040 | 就是說我們對內的部分來講 |
| 00:11:47,040 | 00:11:49,040 | 還是要加大對於國人的一個試讀 |
| 00:11:49,040 | 00:11:51,040 | 就是有一些訊息的來源或者訊息的真偽 |
| 00:11:51,040 | 00:11:53,040 | 應該要持續的告訴國人說 |
| 00:11:53,140 | 00:11:55,140 | 要盡可能去多一些這個這個了解 |
| 00:11:55,140 | 00:11:57,140 | 再來第二個在國際上來說的話 |
| 00:11:57,140 | 00:11:59,140 | 我們有兩個做法 |
| 00:11:59,140 | 00:12:01,140 | 第一個是我們要尋找更多可以合作的夥伴 |
| 00:12:01,140 | 00:12:03,140 | 不一定是媒體本身 |
| 00:12:03,140 | 00:12:05,140 | 也包含像是國會議員有很多的友台小組 |
| 00:12:05,140 | 00:12:07,140 | 他們都可以在適當的時候替我們來講話 |
| 00:12:07,140 | 00:12:09,140 | 所以我們需要多多的跟他們來做溝通跟聯繫 |
| 00:12:09,140 | 00:12:11,140 | 那再來第三個的話 |
| 00:12:11,140 | 00:12:13,140 | 就是我們要掌握我們自己特有的這個資源 |
| 00:12:13,140 | 00:12:15,140 | 全世界現在都想了解兩岸 |
| 00:12:15,140 | 00:12:17,140 | 都想了解中國 |
| 00:12:17,140 | 00:12:19,140 | 最了解中國的是台灣 |
| 00:12:19,140 | 00:12:21,140 | 所以當我們有掌握到這個獨門資源的時候 |
| 00:12:21,240 | 00:12:23,240 | 我們大家想要透過了解中國 |
| 00:12:23,240 | 00:12:25,240 | 然後來跟台灣接觸 |
| 00:12:25,240 | 00:12:27,240 | 這個時候我們就有講話的機會 |
| 00:12:27,240 | 00:12:29,240 | 所以我們也非常希望這個大院可以支持我們 |
| 00:12:29,240 | 00:12:31,240 | 多多的在這個宣傳也好 |
| 00:12:31,240 | 00:12:33,240 | 或者說這個國際交流 |
| 00:12:33,240 | 00:12:35,240 | 或者說對於中國的國情的研發研究也好 |
| 00:12:35,240 | 00:12:37,240 | 的這個經費可以手下留情 |
| 00:12:37,240 | 00:12:39,240 | 好 本席特別要強調 |
| 00:12:39,240 | 00:12:41,240 | 台灣不是中國的一部分 |
| 00:12:41,240 | 00:12:43,240 | 這個部分其實他花三千億 |
| 00:12:43,240 | 00:12:45,240 | 在做宣傳 |
| 00:12:45,240 | 00:12:47,240 | 甚至於一家中國的媒體可以花六億 |
| 00:12:47,240 | 00:12:49,240 | 去買美國的媒體 |
| 00:12:49,340 | 00:12:51,340 | 他其實就是要用 |
| 00:12:51,340 | 00:12:53,340 | 所謂宣傳的方式掩蓋台灣 |
| 00:12:53,340 | 00:12:55,340 | 讓台灣沒辦法發聲 |
| 00:12:55,340 | 00:12:57,340 | 所以兩個部會就只能再辛苦一點了 |
| 00:12:57,340 | 00:12:59,340 | 加油 好 謝謝 |
| 00:12:59,340 | 00:13:01,340 | 拜託 謝謝 |