| IVOD_ID |
170629 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170629 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-22T09:58:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-22T10:06:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7469000803f9b6aa5f477b2882572b334220b467350b4647aeb2ac4a95fc824b59a766c9ad8cead35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:58:29 - 10:06:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查：
（一） 本院委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（二） 本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「能源管理法第七條條文修正草案」案。
（三） 本院委員蔡其昌等19人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（四） 本院委員鍾佳濱等20人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（五） 本院委員邱議瑩等17人擬具「能源管理法增訂第十九條之二及第二十七條之一條文草案」案。
二、審查：
（六） 行政院函請審議「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」。
（七） 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（八） 本院委員郭國文等16人擬具「能源管理法增訂第十九條之二及第二十七條之一條文草案」案。
（九） 本院委員徐欣瑩等16人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（十） 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「能源管理法第二條條文修正草案」案。
（十一） 本院委員楊瓊瓔等23人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（十二） 本院委員陳亭妃等20人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
（十三） 本院委員邱志偉等16人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。（詢答）
（第十三案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查。）） |
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有請邱昭偉的質詢 |
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謝主席是不是請介入國務部長 |
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14.3 |
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然後能源署吳署長 |
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請國務部長吳署長 |
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16 |
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謝謝 |
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19 |
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21.5 |
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能源管理法 邱法委好 |
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23.5 |
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部長跟署長 |
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27 |
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能源管理法幾個本席條文跟你討論一下 |
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27 |
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29 |
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第七條的部分 |
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29.5 |
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32.5 |
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我的著重點跟原版著重點不太一樣 |
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35.5 |
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你們把相關的折舊把它刪除掉 |
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那我是要求你們在儲存安全存量有更明確的規範 |
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43.5 |
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安全儲量有更明確的規範 |
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43.5 |
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48.5 |
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比方說你的數量基準設備類型安全存量替代方式 |
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48.5 |
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52.5 |
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這個是不是可以有一個中央組織機關 |
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52.5 |
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54 |
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就是能源署經濟部 |
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54.5 |
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60 |
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制定一個更明確的儲存設備跟儲存安全能量的相關的做法 |
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60 |
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61.5 |
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這個可行嗎 |
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61.5 |
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63 |
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是 人家說明一下 |
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63 |
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64 |
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吳署長 |
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64 |
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65.5 |
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跟我們報告一下 |
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65.5 |
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69.5 |
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這個目前就是在執法裡面 |
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本來就有規定像這些適用對象還有它的 |
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72.5 |
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74 |
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你現在執法就有嗎 |
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74 |
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76 |
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有 就是我們有一個叫做 |
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76 |
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80.5 |
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能源供應事業集能用戶應打辦理能源管理法相關事項之 |
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81 |
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85 |
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能源供應數量使用基準及儲存安全存量的規定 |
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85 |
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87.5 |
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所以你已經在執法上有相關規定 |
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89 |
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對 有類似的規定 |
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89 |
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91 |
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類似 有沒有更明確的 |
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91 |
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92.5 |
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比方說適用的對象等等 |
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92.5 |
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93 |
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有 |
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93 |
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96 |
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基準類型安全存量還有替代方式 |
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96 |
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97.5 |
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我跟昭偉報告一下 |
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97.5 |
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99 |
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比如說像能源供應事業的話 |
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99 |
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101.5 |
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它就有規定說能源供應數量 |
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101.5 |
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102.5 |
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好 我了解 吳署長 |
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102.5 |
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105 |
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是不是如果我這一條我不放進去 |
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105 |
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107.5 |
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但是你們在相關執法裡面訂的更明確一點 |
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107.5 |
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108.5 |
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沒問題 |
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108.5 |
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109.5 |
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好 |
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109.5 |
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111.5 |
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另外第九條的部分 |
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111.5 |
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115.5 |
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第九條我看你們報告好像你們也有相關的執法在做執行 |
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115.5 |
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117.5 |
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就針對這些 |
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這個查核機制 |
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節能的目標執行計畫的準則 |
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這些部分執法裡面有嗎 |
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我們是我們是有規定就是說他要報的這個計畫 |
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報完以後我們現在是改 |
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以前是核備比較不明確 |
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我們現在改成核定 |
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核定那裡有相關的查核的這個 |
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有 我們有相關的查核機制 |
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訂在哪裡呢 |
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他另外有執法裡面會有第一個公告怎麼查核 |
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現在執法訂了嗎還在訂 |
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原來就有一個執法 |
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對 因為這是一個就有 |
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所以你原來就有這個執法針對這個我這邊所羅列的 |
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能源查核制度執行計畫準則相關都有嗎 |
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都有類似的規定 |
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那因為我們現在本來就有大用戶 |
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一年要節電1%跟1.5% |
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所以我們有相關的一些規定 |
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那委員這邊 |
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我希望說如果我這不放進去 |
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你們相關執法要制定更完整一點 |
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好 |
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第七條跟第九條 |
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那另外就是說你第十條的部分 |
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這個缺容量 |
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大概一定容量的這個用戶 |
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一定期限裝置一定容量以上的自用發電設備跟儲能設備 |
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這些是你要用執法來做規範嗎 |
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是是是 |
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是因為 |
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因為再生能源條例也是類似這樣的體力 |
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所以你用執法 |
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那執法什麼會出來呢 |
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執法通常是母法通過以後的半年 |
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半年之內會出來 |
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所以會很清楚的規範相關的 |
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包括裝置容量設備種類設施方式等等 |
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是是是 |
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好 |
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那另外這個是五年以內嗎 |
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再生能源它的規定是說 |
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在當年度1月1日 |
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那是再生能源給予的這個寬限期 |
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或者是磨合期 |
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那我們這個將來也會有類似的寬限期 |
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對對對 |
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那期限是多少呢 |
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要訂執法訂 |
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執法訂但是因為 |
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條例是那個再生能源是五年 |
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我們用這個基準來跟相關業者做一個討論 |
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好那可能會訂多久 |
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就是用五年做一個基準 |
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也是用五年 |
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對問問他們可不可以做到 |
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意思是這樣 |
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如果說他們回答做不到呢 |
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我們當然也會判斷 |
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他要講一個理由 |
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十年他如果說十年 |
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你們可以接受嗎 |
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我們還是用五年做為基準來做為討論 |
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那你訂下去他就要遵守 |
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我們當然也一定要讓他可以做得到 |
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是啦那如果業界普遍反應 |
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就跟你們陳情說十年你們會接受嗎 |
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那個真的太久了 |
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你覺得合理期限當然是多久 |
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就是我們用五年做為基準來做討論 |
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好那另外繼續請教第十條 |
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其實還是有相關的問題 |
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你跟訂業法做一些配套去思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
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會有一些買不到的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
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還有沒有地蓋的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
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還有整合的問題等等 |
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這些讓你自愛難行 |
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你圖有相關的法定的義務 |
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但是哪裡去履行這些法定義務 |
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所以部長跟署長有沒有看到這個問題 |
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所以剛剛跟委員報告就是說 |
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為什麼我們要跟相關 |
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| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
利害關係的人做一個討論 |
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相關利害關係有多少人 |
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700多戶 |
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324.5 |
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700多戶 |
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如果用5MW |
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328.5 |
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有700多戶5MW |
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330.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
然後你們有召開相關的會議的嗎 |
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召開了兩場 |
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後續還會召開 |
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那主要是分布在哪裡 |
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700多戶主要分布在哪裡 |
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跟委員報告講 |
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他有的是在園區 |
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有的是在工業區 |
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都有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
那我們現在是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
在台北開過一場 |
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高雄也開過一場 |
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| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
我們後續還會陸續到 |
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| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
比較集中的區域去開 |
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這些說明會 |
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這個三個問題都很難去處理 |
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買不到 |
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真的就是買不到 |
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然後你要叫他去有一些 |
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360.5 |
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什麼市行設施、市行使用 |
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那他找地啊 |
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沒有地怎麼去蓋 |
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所以我剛剛跟委員報告 |
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就是說我們還是要跟這些 |
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370.5 |
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利害關係人作為討論 |
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371.5 |
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而且新舊可能會有要求 |
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會有不一樣 |
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這個部分你們還要討論多久 |
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就是持續的跟這些廠商 |
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有一些座談會 |
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持續來做一些討論 |
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持續的 |
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但是我覺得你光開完座談會 |
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總要解決這些問題 |
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你要有一個完整的一個報告 |
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是 |
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這些完整的報告 |
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就是說要牽涉到 |
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如何解決買不到問題 |
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如何解決沒地蓋的問題 |
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如何解決整合問題 |
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報告不要說給你半年 |
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半年會不會太久 |
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半年可以嗎 |
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可以啊 |
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因為母法通過半年 |
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我們一定要出 |
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所以你要把這個問題 |
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三個月啦 |
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初步的解決 |
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三個月提出一個報告好不好 |
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好 |
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另外電網內心的問題 |
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一停電就造成民生 |
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或者是工業生產很大的問題 |
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所以停電是一個夢業 |
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所以你從109到114年 |
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停電的三小時次數 |
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一直在增加 |
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所以這部分 |
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如果有一個統計 |
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有一個資料庫 |
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你要盤點整個一位風災 |
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或者過去有停電記錄 |
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三個小時的 |
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屬於高風險地區 |
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我們要進行結構的整 |
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強化 |
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450.5 |
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強化 |
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有沒有這相關的資料 |
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那個台電公司有沒有代表 |
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這個部分我們有資料 |
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那我們是不是會後 |
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再提供給委員 |
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這個資料提供給我 |
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但是最重要的是說 |
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你們針對這個高風險地區 |
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除了盤點之外 |
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你們去強化那個防災韌性 |
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跟陷入的維護 |
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讓這三小時不會常常出現 |
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其實報告委員 |
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其實我們都會針對 |
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這些比較高風險 |
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或者是說 |
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482.5 |
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去盤點相關的一些熱區 |
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484.5 |
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去做一個加強的 |
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一個重點的巡視 |
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跟防範的對策 |
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490.5 |
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你們台電總公司要有個對策 |
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要有個政策方向 |
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然後要各分處去執行 |
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把他所轄下的熱點 |
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497.5 |
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三個小時以上 |
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499.5 |
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停電的過去的這些記錄 |
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502.5 |
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要加強他整個韌性的強化 |
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是 石邦委員 |
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我們都是朝這個方向去努力 |
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506.5 |
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好 謝謝 |
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508.5 |
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謝謝邱章偉 |