| IVOD_ID |
170615 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170615 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-22T09:13:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-22T09:21:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7469000803f9b6aaddfe03b3fa177e684220b467350b4647b68ab154ef13fb3f046b0eefe8e5e5315ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:13:06 - 09:21:59 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議(事由:一、繼續審查:
(一) 本院委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
(二) 本院委員楊瓊瓔等21人擬具「能源管理法第七條條文修正草案」案。
(三) 本院委員蔡其昌等19人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
(四) 本院委員鍾佳濱等20人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
(五) 本院委員邱議瑩等17人擬具「能源管理法增訂第十九條之二及第二十七條之一條文草案」案。
二、審查:
(六) 行政院函請審議「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」。
(七) 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
(八) 本院委員郭國文等16人擬具「能源管理法增訂第十九條之二及第二十七條之一條文草案」案。
(九) 本院委員徐欣瑩等16人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
(十) 本院委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「能源管理法第二條條文修正草案」案。
(十一) 本院委員楊瓊瓔等23人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
(十二) 本院委員陳亭妃等20人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
(十三) 本院委員邱志偉等16人擬具「能源管理法部分條文修正草案」案。(詢答)
(第十三案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文,則不予審查。)) |
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發言 |
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謝謝主席 我請一下龔部長 |
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20 |
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請經濟部龔部長 |
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21 |
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23 |
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請 |
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27 |
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周圍 早安 |
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28 |
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部長早 部長我想請教 |
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33 |
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我們今天在討論這個能源管理法的修正草案 |
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主要 |
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35 |
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先來看第十條 |
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剛剛您的報告裡頭也很清楚的談到 |
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我們在第十條的修正內容是 |
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希望這些用電大戶能夠自行設置所謂的發電 |
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47 |
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49 |
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跟儲能設備 |
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49 |
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50 |
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是的 |
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50 |
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51 |
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請教第一個問題 |
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55 |
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你所謂的用電大戶是用電大概多少算是用電大戶 |
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55 |
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依照我們的再生能源管理條例是5000千瓦算是用電大戶 |
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60 |
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62 |
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這個標準有沒有改變 |
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我們是希望在執法裡面來做一些討論 |
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那會跟相關業者做一些討論 |
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68 |
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所以你的用電大戶的定義還沒有定出來 |
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73 |
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多少叫做用電大戶 |
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73 |
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75 |
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這個要在執法裡面做討論 |
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但是你母法裡面就直接寫用電大戶 |
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80 |
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到時候我不知道什麼叫用電大戶 |
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80 |
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83 |
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我要怎麼跟你繼續討論下去 |
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83 |
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86 |
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事實上大致上剛剛委員提到的這個 |
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90 |
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你如果是依照再生能源條例的5000千瓦算是用電大戶 |
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90 |
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92 |
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未來的標準會改變嗎 |
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92 |
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96 |
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執法會大致上這個方向 |
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96 |
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那我們還會跟立案關係人做一些討論 |
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99 |
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102 |
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不過委員剛剛提的那個是我們大概一個基礎 |
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102 |
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好 那第二個問題想請教 |
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105 |
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111 |
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如果你這樣子界定所謂的用電大戶的定義之後 |
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111 |
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114 |
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我們的這個條文內容寫得非常清楚 |
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120 |
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要它設置自用的發電跟儲能設備 |
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120 |
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122 |
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那我進一步請教 |
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122 |
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126 |
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這些用電大戶我想未來不可能只有工廠 |
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126 |
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130 |
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對不對 有可能是這些大型的商辦 |
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130 |
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133 |
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或者是大型的商場等等 |
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133 |
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135 |
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或者是一些企業的總部 |
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135 |
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138 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
或者是資料中心 |
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138 |
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142 |
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未來的這些AI大數據的這一些資料中心 |
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142 |
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147 |
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它可能都會設立在所謂的都會區裡頭 |
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147 |
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150 |
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那我進一步請教在這些都會區裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
150 |
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152 |
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這些建築它非常有可能 |
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152 |
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157 |
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它缺乏所謂的大面積可以讓你做儲能的設備 |
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157 |
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160 |
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或者是大面積可以讓你做所謂的太陽能光電 |
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160 |
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167 |
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那它如何來符合您的條文裡頭規定 |
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167 |
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170 |
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自用發電跟儲能設備 |
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170 |
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173 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
如果它沒有足夠的空間可以來設立的話 |
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173 |
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175 |
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那這些人它不是不設喔 |
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175 |
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177 |
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是它根本沒有附地可以設 |
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177 |
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180 |
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那請教怎麼辦 |
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180 |
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183 |
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我們馬上就講說你沒有設的話就罰錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
183 |
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185 |
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那請問我們要怎麼樣協助他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
186 |
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188 |
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這個就是我剛剛提到的 |
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188 |
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191 |
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就是說為什麼我們要跟相關的利害關係人 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
191 |
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193 |
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做一個具體的討論 |
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193 |
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195 |
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要實際上可行才可以 |
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195 |
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197 |
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相關的利害關係人是誰 |
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197 |
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198 |
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比如說 |
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198 |
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200 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
剛剛您提到的這個用盤大 |
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200 |
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202 |
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我講的這些商辦、商場 |
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202 |
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204 |
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或者是AI資料中心 |
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204 |
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205 |
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對對對 |
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205 |
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211 |
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最近有一個業者來找我討論 |
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211 |
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213 |
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他們想要在這些商辦 |
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213 |
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215 |
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或者是大型的商場 |
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215 |
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219 |
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去設置所謂的高效率天然氣發電機組 |
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219 |
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221 |
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部長您知道這件事情嗎 |
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221 |
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223 |
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就是固定式的這個 |
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223 |
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226 |
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對固定式的所謂的天然氣發電機組 |
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226 |
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231 |
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可是呢現在的法令訂定不清楚 |
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231 |
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234 |
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所以它這些天然機組的設置 |
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234 |
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237 |
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是屬於經濟部主管 |
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237 |
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239 |
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還是屬於地方政府主管 |
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239 |
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241 |
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它設置在商場裡面 |
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241 |
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243 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
它設置在這個所謂的辦公大樓裡面 |
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243 |
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245 |
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是在台北市 |
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245 |
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247 |
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可是台北市又有這一個 |
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都市計畫裡面的這些管理條例 |
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那未來 |
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部長這個當然是很細啦 |
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所以你們未來在執法的討論上面 |
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是不是應該跨部會 |
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來做相關的執法的訂定 |
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我們部門一開始就告訴你說 |
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你不設的話我要給你罰錢 |
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但是它要怎麼設 |
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它能夠怎麼設立 |
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包括這些儲電的設備 |
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發電的設備 |
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在都會地區它能夠怎麼設 |
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其實這些大概現在都是一個很模糊的概念 |
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來部長能不能說明一下 |
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是所以剛剛委員報告 |
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就像您講的這個事實上 |
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它是非常多元而複雜 |
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所以我們會找利害關係人 |
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包括地方政府 |
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相關的消防單位 |
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會跨單位跨機構來做一些討論 |
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讓這個方向可以具體核心 |
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往下走下去 |
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那這個部分什麼時候要開始具體進行 |
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只要這個法案通過以後 |
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在一定的一般是半年內 |
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我們執法就會要設立完成 |
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其實我覺得部長你如果說 |
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等法令通過以後才把執法設立完成 |
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時序上可能是會有一點慢 |
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是不是應該現在就應該要去 |
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各地區去聽取各個業界也好 |
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或者是這些未來有可能是 |
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必須被列為用電大戶的這一些 |
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333 |
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所謂的你講的利害關係人 |
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去聽取他們的意見跟想法 |
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339 |
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因為他們自己應該都會有很多想要做儲能 |
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或者是說做自體的這些發電的供電設備 |
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但是法令上面對他們來講 |
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其實有一點致歃難行 |
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他也不知道要怎麼樣去申請 |
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是不是你們能夠來聽取一下他們的意見 |
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我們初步大概已經有辦過兩場了 |
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後續還會持續來辦理 |
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如果說今天討論大家對這個方向 |
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還是可以認同的話 |
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364 |
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那我們會加緊而且把這個場次可以來擴充 |
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364 |
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另外就是也要再請教部長 |
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關於你們這個第六條之一 |
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370 |
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你要所謂的這個供應事業要去識別化 |
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377 |
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然後我們要來公布他所謂的 |
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380 |
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這一些用電的資訊等等 |
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部長這個您覺得會不會涉及到 |
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所謂的個資法或者是對於有些營業秘密 |
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388 |
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391 |
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雖然我把公司的名字弄掉 |
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396 |
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但是其實有心人還是很容易去做推估 |
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還是很容易去做判別 |
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| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
401 |
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對包含我們所謂的去識別化 |
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401 |
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就是要做到他沒有辦法判讀 |
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405 |
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406 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
要做到這個部分 |
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406 |
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411 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
你覺得以現在的所謂的科技進程 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
411 |
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跟現在的網路搜尋 |
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417 |
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你如何把它做到他沒有辦法判別 |
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417 |
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419 |
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我覺得很難耶 |
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419 |
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421 |
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你只要公布是在哪一個工業區 |
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421 |
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424 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
哪一個區塊哪一個地段 |
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424 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
428 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
用電多少其實都很容易追溯的耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
428 |
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430 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
對就是說 |
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430 |
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433 |
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部長這個你們應該要再好好的 |
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433 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
435 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
慎重的思考 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
435 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
439 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
甚至我覺得這個跟本席提的法條 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
439 |
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442 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
其實是有一些相關聯性 |
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442 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
我的法條講說 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
443 |
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446 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
任何人不得故意散播影響國家能源供應 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
446 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
國家能源基礎設施跟違反科學依據 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
449 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
452 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
的能源相關不實的謠言或假訊息 |
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452 |
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453 |
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是的 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
453 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
您支持嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
458 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
我們是開放討論方向上我們也覺得是 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
458 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
散播對國家能源不實的訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
463 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
你跟我說你要開放討論 |
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463 |
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467 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
你自己支持你連支持這兩個都不敢講 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
467 |
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470 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
你講說你是開放討論 |
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470 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
473 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
後面我說我方向上我支持 |
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473 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
475 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
對 |
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475 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
477 |
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部長我想是這樣啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
477 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
很不想跟你大聲啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
484 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
但是我覺得在你剛剛講的這一些對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
484 |
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489 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
用電業者這些公司的這些所謂的去識別化的部分 |
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489 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
機敏資料的保護上面 |
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491 |
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495 |
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我覺得你們可能還要再持續的還要再三思啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
495 |
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497 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
還在更緊密的思考 |
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497 |
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499 |
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因為我不認為你這樣講 |
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499 |
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502 |
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他就完全推估不出來或者是找不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
對於這些企業大戶的這些用電資訊 |
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506 |
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509 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
那本席提的這個法案 |
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509 |
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512 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
我覺得這個對於國家的能源基礎建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
512 |
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514 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
這個是非常重大的 |
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514 |
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519 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
我也期待行政院能夠支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
你不要跟我講說你開放討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
我覺得散播不實遙遠這個區塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
不管是在哪一個方位上面來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
531 |
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政府都應該要大力的打擊這些散播假訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
534 |
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謝謝邱英文 |