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羅廷瑋 @ 第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第21次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:04,250 | 00:00:05,850 | 好 謝謝主席 有請院長 |
| 00:00:05,850 | 00:00:07,210 | 好 有請院長 |
| 00:00:10,710 | 00:00:11,210 | 羅卓偉好 |
| 00:00:11,810 | 00:00:12,650 | 好 院長好 |
| 00:00:12,650 | 00:00:13,850 | 院長好久不見 |
| 00:00:13,850 | 00:00:14,350 | 對 |
| 00:00:14,860 | 00:00:17,740 | 首先恭喜院長 接任中研院 |
| 00:00:17,740 | 00:00:20,060 | 那我想除了中研院士 |
| 00:00:20,060 | 00:00:22,540 | 在學術上翻開你的經歷 |
| 00:00:23,350 | 00:00:25,550 | 不管是承任中研院副院長 |
| 00:00:25,550 | 00:00:27,190 | 還承任國科會副主委 |
| 00:00:27,770 | 00:00:32,049 | 衛生署的署長 副總統 行政院院長 |
| 00:00:32,049 | 00:00:35,450 | 我想應該很難有人可以超越你的成就 |
| 00:00:35,450 | 00:00:36,690 | 跟這些經歷 |
| 00:00:36,690 | 00:00:38,090 | 那這些豐富的經歷 |
| 00:00:38,090 | 00:00:41,410 | 也會為你接下來擔任中研院院長 |
| 00:00:41,410 | 00:00:43,930 | 帶來很重要的一些經驗 |
| 00:00:44,690 | 00:00:45,730 | 那我想 |
| 00:00:45,730 | 00:00:46,730 | 2023年 |
| 00:00:46,730 | 00:00:47,730 | 各位說是 |
| 00:00:48,290 | 00:00:49,730 | 人生最後一個公子 |
| 00:00:50,940 | 00:00:52,220 | 到現在重新回到了 |
| 00:00:52,220 | 00:00:53,300 | 首席的立法院 |
| 00:00:53,300 | 00:00:55,220 | 接受國會的監督 |
| 00:00:55,220 | 00:00:57,699 | 請問對當時那一句 |
| 00:00:57,699 | 00:00:58,900 | 人生最後的公子 |
| 00:00:58,900 | 00:01:00,900 | 現在回過頭來 |
| 00:01:00,900 | 00:01:02,699 | 我們又回到了立法院 |
| 00:01:02,699 | 00:01:03,459 | 接受監督 |
| 00:01:03,459 | 00:01:05,300 | 擔任中研院院長 |
| 00:01:05,300 | 00:01:06,380 | 來服務國人 |
| 00:01:06,380 | 00:01:07,780 | 有沒有什麼想法 |
| 00:01:07,780 | 00:01:09,140 | 中研院院長 |
| 00:01:09,140 | 00:01:10,860 | 本身就是特別研究員 |
| 00:01:10,860 | 00:01:13,060 | 所以也是從事學術的研究 |
| 00:01:13,060 | 00:01:16,420 | 那我剛才已經回答科委員 |
| 00:01:16,420 | 00:01:17,500 | 他也有問嗎 |
| 00:01:17,500 | 00:01:19,860 | 學術研究是我的最愛 |
| 00:01:19,900 | 00:01:22,220 | 所以我回到我學術研究的領域 |
| 00:01:22,220 | 00:01:23,460 | 那公共服務 |
| 00:01:23,460 | 00:01:26,100 | 是我覺得是對國家跟社會的使命 |
| 00:01:26,100 | 00:01:27,539 | 我也會認真來做好 |
| 00:01:27,539 | 00:01:28,180 | 好 謝謝 |
| 00:01:28,180 | 00:01:29,180 | 一起加油 |
| 00:01:29,180 | 00:01:31,140 | 兩年一度的中研院院士 |
| 00:01:31,140 | 00:01:32,660 | 會議剛落幕 |
| 00:01:32,660 | 00:01:34,340 | 同樣身為中研院院士的 |
| 00:01:34,340 | 00:01:35,180 | 管仲敏院士 |
| 00:01:35,180 | 00:01:36,140 | 他在臉書 |
| 00:01:36,140 | 00:01:37,620 | 臉書特別發文說 |
| 00:01:37,620 | 00:01:39,260 | 看似幾天熱鬧的會議 |
| 00:01:39,260 | 00:01:42,380 | 我注意到社會其實對此並不關心 |
| 00:01:42,380 | 00:01:43,300 | 還特別呱嗠 |
| 00:01:43,300 | 00:01:45,460 | 表示和早年很不相同 |
| 00:01:45,460 | 00:01:46,460 | 那院長請問一下 |
| 00:01:46,460 | 00:01:47,860 | 那你自己什麼感覺 |
| 00:01:47,900 | 00:01:51,420 | 社會有在關注中研院院士的會議嗎 |
| 00:01:51,420 | 00:01:52,340 | 你覺得呢 |
| 00:01:52,340 | 00:01:53,260 | 當然有 |
| 00:01:53,260 | 00:01:55,780 | 如果從報章雜誌來看的話 |
| 00:01:55,780 | 00:01:57,220 | 我們的同仁告訴我 |
| 00:01:57,220 | 00:02:00,220 | 這一個報導就超過了一百多篇的報導 |
| 00:02:00,220 | 00:02:03,020 | 而且各個學術研究機構 |
| 00:02:03,020 | 00:02:04,900 | 或者各個學校大學 |
| 00:02:04,900 | 00:02:07,940 | 對於他們能夠當學院士的同仁 |
| 00:02:07,940 | 00:02:09,220 | 都加以表揚 |
| 00:02:09,220 | 00:02:12,180 | 這也表示說各界對於中研院士 |
| 00:02:12,180 | 00:02:14,660 | 這樣的一個選上 |
| 00:02:14,660 | 00:02:16,260 | 是認為一個很大的榮譽 |
| 00:02:16,299 | 00:02:17,660 | 當然我尊重 |
| 00:02:17,660 | 00:02:19,100 | 我們的 |
| 00:02:19,100 | 00:02:21,540 | 這個廣州民院士的個人的想法 |
| 00:02:21,540 | 00:02:23,060 | 但是這是少數意見 |
| 00:02:23,060 | 00:02:25,220 | 我不便多做評論 |
| 00:02:25,220 | 00:02:27,220 | 自由民主法治的國家 |
| 00:02:27,220 | 00:02:28,660 | 就是郭文貴的想法 |
| 00:02:28,660 | 00:02:30,299 | 他當然可以講他的話 |
| 00:02:30,299 | 00:02:32,260 | 但是這不是大眾的意見 |
| 00:02:32,260 | 00:02:33,540 | 但我們要來探討 |
| 00:02:33,540 | 00:02:34,739 | 報導歸報導 |
| 00:02:34,739 | 00:02:36,459 | 因為畢竟我們的一些媒體 |
| 00:02:36,459 | 00:02:37,540 | 大家都很關注 |
| 00:02:37,540 | 00:02:39,100 | 但是流量怎麼樣 |
| 00:02:39,100 | 00:02:40,100 | 民眾關不關心 |
| 00:02:40,100 | 00:02:41,579 | 甚至有沒有去討論 |
| 00:02:41,579 | 00:02:42,739 | 到底是不關心 |
| 00:02:42,739 | 00:02:45,060 | 還是認為中研院的存在 |
| 00:02:45,100 | 00:02:46,860 | 對民眾來說沒有特別的感覺 |
| 00:02:46,860 | 00:02:47,860 | 這個我們可以來探討 |
| 00:02:47,860 | 00:02:48,620 | 沒關係 |
| 00:02:48,620 | 00:02:51,380 | 民眾在我們的這個院區開放 |
| 00:02:51,380 | 00:02:53,660 | 或者我們的這個 |
| 00:02:53,660 | 00:02:54,780 | 大眾的演講 |
| 00:02:54,780 | 00:02:56,300 | 參與力都很高 |
| 00:02:56,300 | 00:02:58,220 | 所以他們對於科技的發展 |
| 00:02:58,220 | 00:02:59,580 | 確實很關心 |
| 00:02:59,580 | 00:03:00,540 | 我一直都很關心 |
| 00:03:00,540 | 00:03:02,060 | 中研院的一個定位 |
| 00:03:02,060 | 00:03:03,060 | 那之前 |
| 00:03:03,060 | 00:03:04,500 | 廖院長在任的時候 |
| 00:03:04,500 | 00:03:06,620 | 我們一直都以經濟議題 |
| 00:03:06,620 | 00:03:08,260 | 跟這樣子的案例 |
| 00:03:08,260 | 00:03:09,460 | 來跟廖院長討論 |
| 00:03:09,460 | 00:03:11,100 | 當時台灣有財團法人 |
| 00:03:11,100 | 00:03:12,340 | 台灣綜合研究院 |
| 00:03:12,340 | 00:03:14,180 | 財團法人中華經濟研究院 |
| 00:03:14,180 | 00:03:15,460 | 但每當國內 |
| 00:03:15,460 | 00:03:17,420 | 發生種種因經濟直接 |
| 00:03:17,420 | 00:03:19,300 | 間接的相關議題的時候 |
| 00:03:19,300 | 00:03:21,660 | 在各種媒體跟訊息的管道 |
| 00:03:21,660 | 00:03:23,140 | 都可以看到兩個財團法人 |
| 00:03:23,140 | 00:03:25,500 | 提出他們的種種分析跟看法 |
| 00:03:25,500 | 00:03:27,780 | 那中研院經濟所幾乎沒有 |
| 00:03:27,780 | 00:03:29,700 | 只會寫出期刊文章 |
| 00:03:29,700 | 00:03:32,980 | 完全沒有去對這個部分來做評論 |
| 00:03:32,980 | 00:03:35,540 | 那無畏於國聲 |
| 00:03:35,540 | 00:03:36,540 | 國際民視 |
| 00:03:36,540 | 00:03:38,100 | 那我們看到這件事情 |
| 00:03:38,100 | 00:03:40,020 | 是否比起是否被關心 |
| 00:03:40,020 | 00:03:41,420 | 我想更關鍵的問題是 |
| 00:03:41,420 | 00:03:44,260 | 中研院能不能積極的回應 |
| 00:03:44,260 | 00:03:46,299 | 國家重大的動工議題 |
| 00:03:46,299 | 00:03:48,380 | 中研院經濟所確實有回應了 |
| 00:03:48,380 | 00:03:50,140 | 這個我們國家的經濟發展 |
| 00:03:50,140 | 00:03:52,100 | 像最近發表的 |
| 00:03:52,100 | 00:03:54,459 | 我們今年的經濟成長 |
| 00:03:54,459 | 00:03:55,500 | 會達到 |
| 00:03:55,500 | 00:03:56,820 | 會超過10% |
| 00:03:56,820 | 00:03:59,299 | 就得到各界的這個重視 |
| 00:03:59,299 | 00:04:00,339 | 而且討論 |
| 00:04:00,339 | 00:04:03,100 | 在任何的經濟成長的 |
| 00:04:03,100 | 00:04:04,380 | 這個估計當中 |
| 00:04:04,380 | 00:04:06,100 | 當然是越多的單位 |
| 00:04:06,100 | 00:04:07,060 | 來做估計 |
| 00:04:07,060 | 00:04:10,100 | 能夠得到越精準的這個 |
| 00:04:10,100 | 00:04:10,899 | 數據 |
| 00:04:10,900 | 00:04:12,060 | 給大家做參考 |
| 00:04:12,060 | 00:04:13,700 | 中研院經濟所 |
| 00:04:13,700 | 00:04:15,300 | 在這一方面做得很好 |
| 00:04:15,300 | 00:04:19,340 | 另外經濟所在專業學術上的研究 |
| 00:04:19,340 | 00:04:20,579 | 實際上有很好的成果 |
| 00:04:20,579 | 00:04:22,900 | 有機會我在跟委員做報告 |
| 00:04:22,900 | 00:04:24,580 | 好 從1979年 |
| 00:04:24,580 | 00:04:26,220 | 多麗聯本中毒事件 |
| 00:04:26,220 | 00:04:28,300 | 舒化劑 毒澱粉 |
| 00:04:28,300 | 00:04:30,060 | 劣質地溝油 |
| 00:04:30,060 | 00:04:31,060 | 戴奧辛蛋 |
| 00:04:31,060 | 00:04:32,260 | 芬蒲彌蛋 |
| 00:04:32,260 | 00:04:33,380 | 蘇丹紅 |
| 00:04:33,380 | 00:04:35,460 | 加上這一次的致癌油事件 |
| 00:04:35,460 | 00:04:38,020 | 台灣數十年來食癌危機 |
| 00:04:38,020 | 00:04:39,300 | 一再的重演 |
| 00:04:39,300 | 00:04:40,740 | 顯示制度 |
| 00:04:40,780 | 00:04:42,020 | 一定有問題 |
| 00:04:42,020 | 00:04:44,060 | 所以始終沒有被根本的解決 |
| 00:04:44,060 | 00:04:45,620 | 面對食安危機 |
| 00:04:45,620 | 00:04:46,980 | 前院長翁啟惠 |
| 00:04:47,659 | 00:04:50,020 | 與民國103年出版的 |
| 00:04:50,020 | 00:04:53,780 | 國家食品安全維護環境毒物 |
| 00:04:53,780 | 00:04:55,419 | 防治體系的建議書 |
| 00:04:55,419 | 00:04:57,419 | 內容長達120頁 |
| 00:04:57,419 | 00:04:59,700 | 那從制度面 檢測面到能量 |
| 00:04:59,700 | 00:05:00,780 | 跨部會的治理 |
| 00:05:00,780 | 00:05:02,300 | 提出完整的一個建議 |
| 00:05:02,300 | 00:05:03,979 | 當時陳建能副院長 |
| 00:05:03,979 | 00:05:06,299 | 藝民列委員會的成員 |
| 00:05:06,299 | 00:05:08,340 | 顯見整個中研院 |
| 00:05:08,340 | 00:05:09,299 | 對於整個 |
| 00:05:09,299 | 00:05:12,620 | 積極投入國家食品安全衛生 |
| 00:05:12,620 | 00:05:13,940 | 的制度設計 |
| 00:05:13,940 | 00:05:14,700 | 請問院長 |
| 00:05:14,740 | 00:05:17,539 | 該建議書提出到現在10年 |
| 00:05:17,539 | 00:05:18,780 | 逾10年了 |
| 00:05:18,780 | 00:05:20,460 | 我們中研院是否有追蹤 |
| 00:05:20,460 | 00:05:22,460 | 其政策的落實情形 |
| 00:05:22,460 | 00:05:24,700 | 有哪些建議已被政府採納 |
| 00:05:24,700 | 00:05:25,900 | 又有哪些至今 |
| 00:05:25,900 | 00:05:28,219 | 停留在這一本建議書上 |
| 00:05:28,219 | 00:05:30,140 | 我舉一個很簡單的例子 |
| 00:05:30,140 | 00:05:31,260 | 像我們建議中藥 |
| 00:05:31,260 | 00:05:33,140 | 要成立食安相關的單位 |
| 00:05:33,140 | 00:05:36,099 | 那行政院已經成立了食安辦 |
| 00:05:36,099 | 00:05:38,500 | 對 但看起來最近好像沒什麼功能 |
| 00:05:38,500 | 00:05:39,380 | 沒關係 |
| 00:05:39,380 | 00:05:40,340 | 然後另外 |
| 00:05:40,340 | 00:05:42,820 | 我們也強調這個跨部會的整合 |
| 00:05:42,820 | 00:05:45,500 | 包括經濟部 衛福部等等 |
| 00:05:45,500 | 00:05:46,740 | 那這一個部分 |
| 00:05:46,740 | 00:05:50,099 | 實際上現在在食安工作的推動上 |
| 00:05:50,099 | 00:05:51,659 | 跨部會的整合 |
| 00:05:51,659 | 00:05:53,940 | 也比以前要來的做得更好 |
| 00:05:53,940 | 00:05:55,580 | 再來就是人才的訓練 |
| 00:05:55,580 | 00:05:57,420 | 還有技術的精進方面 |
| 00:05:57,420 | 00:05:58,540 | 我們的建議 |
| 00:05:58,540 | 00:05:59,580 | 實際上相關的部分 |
| 00:05:59,580 | 00:06:01,539 | 這看起來都是有被納入 |
| 00:06:01,539 | 00:06:02,340 | 對 |
| 00:06:02,340 | 00:06:03,620 | 那有沒有沒被納入的 |
| 00:06:03,620 | 00:06:05,100 | 你自己有提到嗎 |
| 00:06:06,060 | 00:06:08,300 | 沒被納入的部分 |
| 00:06:08,300 | 00:06:10,900 | 我想現在需要加強的 |
| 00:06:10,940 | 00:06:13,700 | 就是中央政府跟地方政府 |
| 00:06:13,700 | 00:06:16,820 | 如何能夠一條邊的從上中下游 |
| 00:06:16,820 | 00:06:18,219 | 好好的整合在一起 |
| 00:06:18,219 | 00:06:22,500 | 然後跟廠商也能夠加強管控 |
| 00:06:22,500 | 00:06:24,539 | 我想這是一個很重要的目標 |
| 00:06:24,539 | 00:06:28,539 | 編長 我想身為公共衛生學界的一個態度 |
| 00:06:28,539 | 00:06:30,299 | 我是在說你 |
| 00:06:30,299 | 00:06:31,739 | 那而食品安全 |
| 00:06:31,739 | 00:06:34,859 | 正是公共衛生核心的一個議題之一 |
| 00:06:34,859 | 00:06:36,659 | 以這次致癌油的事件為由 |
| 00:06:36,659 | 00:06:39,460 | 我想沙拉油幾乎是每個家庭都要用到的 |
| 00:06:39,500 | 00:06:41,780 | 每個人每日都會食用的食品 |
| 00:06:41,780 | 00:06:44,419 | 甚至我們會去7-11會去外食 |
| 00:06:44,419 | 00:06:45,539 | 所以一旦出現問題 |
| 00:06:45,539 | 00:06:48,020 | 我相信這個影響層面是極廣泛 |
| 00:06:48,020 | 00:06:50,780 | 所以對於此次致癌油重大的食安問題 |
| 00:06:50,780 | 00:06:51,900 | 我相信 |
| 00:06:51,900 | 00:06:53,620 | 院長你一定有想法 |
| 00:06:53,620 | 00:06:56,299 | 你也想要建議一些什麼 |
| 00:06:56,299 | 00:06:57,700 | 是不是在這個機會 |
| 00:06:57,700 | 00:07:01,340 | 到底我們是什麼樣是製程污染有問題 |
| 00:07:01,340 | 00:07:03,340 | 還是黃豆原料有問題 |
| 00:07:03,340 | 00:07:04,580 | 還是兩個都有問題 |
| 00:07:04,580 | 00:07:05,659 | 還是有其他的因素 |
| 00:07:05,659 | 00:07:07,179 | 這部分您的看法是什麼 |
| 00:07:07,179 | 00:07:08,500 | 可不可以跟大家說一下 |
| 00:07:08,540 | 00:07:10,020 | 我想食安的問題 |
| 00:07:10,020 | 00:07:12,460 | 在它的溯源的這一個部分 |
| 00:07:12,460 | 00:07:13,620 | 找到真正原因 |
| 00:07:13,620 | 00:07:15,380 | 需要有完整的調查 |
| 00:07:15,380 | 00:07:17,820 | 就好像以往的在 |
| 00:07:17,820 | 00:07:19,460 | 西部特羅的歷史一樣 |
| 00:07:19,460 | 00:07:21,300 | 需要有一段時間的調查 |
| 00:07:21,300 | 00:07:24,380 | 但是在調查還沒有出來的以前 |
| 00:07:24,380 | 00:07:28,580 | 對於真正的污染的這個源頭在哪裡 |
| 00:07:28,580 | 00:07:29,780 | 是需要一點時間 |
| 00:07:29,780 | 00:07:31,420 | 但是我要強調的就是說 |
| 00:07:31,420 | 00:07:32,740 | 不管怎麼樣 |
| 00:07:32,740 | 00:07:35,020 | 做好了這個源頭的管控 |
| 00:07:35,020 | 00:07:39,380 | 做好這個生產的管理 |
| 00:07:39,380 | 00:07:41,340 | 以及這個集合通報 |
| 00:07:41,340 | 00:07:43,380 | 這個中央跟地方一定要 |
| 00:07:43,380 | 00:07:45,460 | 協同做一起努力 |
| 00:07:45,460 | 00:07:48,539 | 所以你認為就是在還沒有確定源頭的時候 |
| 00:07:48,539 | 00:07:49,780 | 我們不能揣測 |
| 00:07:49,780 | 00:07:50,260 | 對不對 |
| 00:07:50,260 | 00:07:50,659 | 當然 |
| 00:07:50,659 | 00:07:51,859 | 一定要了解清楚在哪裡 |
| 00:07:51,859 | 00:07:54,219 | 像上次西部特羅的例子 |
| 00:07:54,219 | 00:07:56,900 | 就是只有在一家檢驗室裡面 |
| 00:07:56,900 | 00:07:57,979 | 找到西部特羅 |
| 00:07:57,979 | 00:07:59,940 | 其他的同一個批號的 |
| 00:07:59,940 | 00:08:01,900 | 這個台糖的肉品 |
| 00:08:01,900 | 00:08:03,740 | 都沒有受到西部特羅的影響 |
| 00:08:03,780 | 00:08:05,180 | 你要講西部特羅沒關係 |
| 00:08:05,180 | 00:08:06,460 | 那我們就看到這一次 |
| 00:08:06,460 | 00:08:08,660 | 5月30 5月底的時候 |
| 00:08:08,660 | 00:08:10,900 | 廠商自主檢驗驗出有問題 |
| 00:08:10,900 | 00:08:13,260 | 通過檢驗的過程有問題的時候 |
| 00:08:13,260 | 00:08:14,580 | 他們復驗 |
| 00:08:14,580 | 00:08:16,220 | 那復驗委外的時候 |
| 00:08:16,220 | 00:08:17,980 | 驗出又更加超標 |
| 00:08:17,980 | 00:08:19,780 | 在這個過程當中 |
| 00:08:19,780 | 00:08:21,380 | 我們就看到他們有通報 |
| 00:08:21,380 | 00:08:22,980 | 所以應該要予以重罰 |
| 00:08:22,980 | 00:08:24,580 | 要予以重罰 |
| 00:08:24,580 | 00:08:28,300 | 但是當時食藥署衛福部 |
| 00:08:28,300 | 00:08:30,660 | 在第一線發出的新聞稿 |
| 00:08:30,660 | 00:08:31,820 | 這不是我講的 |
| 00:08:31,860 | 00:08:35,140 | 是你們民進黨的立法委員 |
| 00:08:35,140 | 00:08:36,939 | 在質詢的時候就講的 |
| 00:08:36,939 | 00:08:38,620 | 食藥署發出的新聞稿 |
| 00:08:38,620 | 00:08:41,580 | 第一時間竟然是幫廠商說話 |
| 00:08:41,580 | 00:08:45,100 | 甚至說廠商自主的通報 |
| 00:08:45,100 | 00:08:46,740 | 廠商很積極 |
| 00:08:46,740 | 00:08:47,740 | 結果被打臉 |
| 00:08:47,740 | 00:08:50,340 | 5月30就已經在驗出 |
| 00:08:50,340 | 00:08:51,740 | 委外的過程 |
| 00:08:51,740 | 00:08:54,260 | 還在委外驗的時候 |
| 00:08:54,260 | 00:08:56,740 | 就還不斷的在輸出這些產品 |
| 00:08:56,740 | 00:08:57,740 | 然後第一時間 |
| 00:08:57,740 | 00:08:59,780 | 我們看到了他們還請學者 |
| 00:08:59,819 | 00:09:01,980 | 而且是你們民進黨的立委 |
| 00:09:01,980 | 00:09:04,459 | 去說這個學者是有爭議的學者 |
| 00:09:04,459 | 00:09:06,060 | 還開記者會說 |
| 00:09:06,060 | 00:09:07,980 | 多喝水就可以代謝 |
| 00:09:07,980 | 00:09:09,180 | 你能夠認同嗎 |
| 00:09:09,180 | 00:09:11,980 | 說烤肉就比BAP |
| 00:09:11,980 | 00:09:13,380 | 還比我們的食用油 |
| 00:09:13,380 | 00:09:16,180 | 致癌油的問題更加的高 |
| 00:09:16,180 | 00:09:18,180 | 這樣的說法你能夠認同嗎 |
| 00:09:18,180 | 00:09:20,339 | 我想這個學者是他自己的看法 |
| 00:09:21,070 | 00:09:22,470 | 他說可以代謝 |
| 00:09:24,000 | 00:09:26,000 | 基本上任何毒物 |
| 00:09:26,000 | 00:09:27,120 | 你可以認同嗎 |
| 00:09:27,120 | 00:09:27,720 | BAP |
| 00:09:27,720 | 00:09:29,400 | 食藥署幫他開記者會 |
| 00:09:29,400 | 00:09:32,840 | 這個不是學者自己在自己的臉書 |
| 00:09:32,840 | 00:09:35,320 | FB或者是自己直播 |
| 00:09:35,320 | 00:09:36,920 | 是食藥署的記者會 |
| 00:09:36,920 | 00:09:37,720 | 那你可以認同嗎 |
| 00:09:37,720 | 00:09:42,360 | BAP本來就是可以因為你多喝水 |
| 00:09:42,360 | 00:09:43,200 | 就是可以排掉 |
| 00:09:43,200 | 00:09:45,680 | 所以你也認同多喝水可以代謝 |
| 00:09:45,680 | 00:09:47,320 | 這是事實 |
| 00:09:47,320 | 00:09:49,960 | 那另外任何的致癌物都是這樣 |
| 00:09:49,960 | 00:09:51,560 | 這個沒有什麼稀罕的事情 |
| 00:09:51,560 | 00:09:53,959 | 20%含量不用下架你也認同 |
| 00:09:53,959 | 00:09:56,079 | 沒有這個該下架的就要下架 |
| 00:09:56,079 | 00:09:59,119 | 因為可以多喝水就可以代謝 |
| 00:09:59,119 | 00:10:00,520 | 該下架就要下架 |
| 00:10:00,520 | 00:10:02,560 | 那你所以你覺得應該要下架是嗎 |
| 00:10:02,560 | 00:10:03,199 | 是 |
| 00:10:03,199 | 00:10:03,800 | 好謝謝 |
| 00:10:05,860 | 00:10:07,380 | 謝謝羅廷維委員 |
| 00:10:07,380 | 00:10:08,020 | 也請院長 |