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徐巧芯 @ 第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:01,130 | 00:00:02,210 | 謝謝主席 |
| 00:00:02,210 | 00:00:04,410 | 那我們是不是能夠有請顧麗雄顧部長 |
| 00:00:04,410 | 00:00:05,410 | 請顧部長 |
| 00:00:13,700 | 00:00:14,620 | 是,許瑋 |
| 00:00:14,620 | 00:00:18,700 | 部長好,我想先延續一下剛剛賴世保委員的這個提問 |
| 00:00:18,700 | 00:00:22,220 | 就關於今天大家都很關心這個我們要去做 |
| 00:00:22,220 | 00:00:26,820 | 原本說是斷網的一個這個城鎮任性演習嘛 |
| 00:00:26,820 | 00:00:29,619 | 那現在剛才我聽很明確就是說降速 |
| 00:00:29,619 | 00:00:31,380 | 不過降速降的也是滿滿的 |
| 00:00:31,380 | 00:00:33,900 | 我想問一下這樣降速的一個演習 |
| 00:00:33,900 | 00:00:36,420 | 我們希望達到什麼樣的效果 |
| 00:00:36,420 | 00:00:38,100 | 以及民眾在這個 |
| 00:00:38,660 | 00:00:40,379 | 降速的演習上 |
| 00:00:40,379 | 00:00:43,940 | 國防部希望民眾能夠做什麼樣的配合 |
| 00:00:45,010 | 00:00:46,010 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:00:46,010 | 00:00:52,090 | 這個這個首先這個規劃是通常會在做的規劃 |
| 00:00:52,090 | 00:00:53,050 | 那國防部 |
| 00:00:53,050 | 00:00:56,330 | 因為這個是在這個漢光演習的期間 |
| 00:00:56,330 | 00:00:59,170 | 那國防部配合這樣子的一個 |
| 00:00:59,170 | 00:01:04,290 | 在暫時可能面臨這個通訊的一個整體的那個任性 |
| 00:01:04,290 | 00:01:07,090 | 受到這個衝擊 |
| 00:01:07,090 | 00:01:10,690 | 那我們要怎麼樣做好這個相關資產通訊任性的準備 |
| 00:01:10,690 | 00:01:13,770 | 這是我們國防部應該要做的事項這樣子 |
| 00:01:13,810 | 00:01:18,250 | 那相關的整體的規劃就由行政院這邊來會來主責 |
| 00:01:18,250 | 00:01:20,850 | 那可是因為你是在漢光演習期間嘛 |
| 00:01:20,850 | 00:01:23,170 | 所以就是大家還是會問國防部啊 |
| 00:01:23,170 | 00:01:24,130 | 所以我的意思是說 |
| 00:01:24,130 | 00:01:27,289 | 你們如果對於相關的一些事情的回覆 |
| 00:01:27,289 | 00:01:30,890 | 那都還是要去請行政院或請通常會 |
| 00:01:30,890 | 00:01:33,210 | 那這樣大家就會覺得說是不是 |
| 00:01:33,210 | 00:01:35,050 | 我今天事情問你 |
| 00:01:35,050 | 00:01:36,770 | 那你也回答不清楚 |
| 00:01:36,770 | 00:01:40,090 | 因為我要額外去問行政院問A問B問C |
| 00:01:40,090 | 00:01:41,770 | 那還是沒有統籌在一起啊 |
| 00:01:41,770 | 00:01:45,369 | 我的理解是行政院應該會就此做 |
| 00:01:45,369 | 00:01:49,210 | 早期相關的部會會做一個完整的記者會的說明 |
| 00:01:49,210 | 00:01:51,330 | 那什麼時候才要做這個說明啊 |
| 00:01:51,330 | 00:01:53,610 | 因為現在大家已經都在討論這個議題了 |
| 00:01:53,610 | 00:01:54,410 | 到委員 |
| 00:01:54,410 | 00:01:56,009 | 據我們了解跟掌握 |
| 00:01:56,009 | 00:01:59,690 | 就是通常會在22號7月22號的時候 |
| 00:01:59,690 | 00:02:02,090 | 針對這次的演習 |
| 00:02:02,090 | 00:02:04,370 | 這個行動通訊受阻 |
| 00:02:04,370 | 00:02:06,690 | 這個降速的這個演習會做一個說明 |
| 00:02:06,690 | 00:02:09,530 | 那另外行政院在7月23號的 |
| 00:02:09,570 | 00:02:13,170 | 院會後的記者會也會再做一個詳細的再做說明 |
| 00:02:13,170 | 00:02:16,410 | OK所以算是蠻重大的22號開一次 |
| 00:02:16,410 | 00:02:19,210 | 等於說做一次說明23號的記者會 |
| 00:02:19,210 | 00:02:20,810 | 那你們有沒有講就是說 |
| 00:02:20,810 | 00:02:25,610 | 政府機關是希望民眾在這個降速期間做什麼樣的一個配合 |
| 00:02:28,980 | 00:02:30,820 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:02:30,820 | 00:02:33,100 | 最主要是我們在降速的時候啊 |
| 00:02:33,100 | 00:02:36,340 | 模擬戰時的時候可能會有一些伺服器中斷 |
| 00:02:36,340 | 00:02:39,140 | 然後導致這個 |
| 00:02:39,140 | 00:02:41,660 | 我們資訊傳輸不像以往 |
| 00:02:41,660 | 00:02:44,340 | 影音串流或者是一些 |
| 00:02:44,340 | 00:02:46,860 | 市場上的一些可能交易的部分 |
| 00:02:46,860 | 00:02:47,180 | 所以 |
| 00:02:47,880 | 00:02:49,840 | 會留下來的就是變成 |
| 00:02:49,840 | 00:02:54,440 | 語音跟簡訊這樣子的功能不受影響 |
| 00:02:54,440 | 00:02:56,600 | 其他需要大頻寬的 |
| 00:02:56,600 | 00:02:58,600 | 你會感受到受到 |
| 00:02:59,299 | 00:03:00,780 | 這樣子的限制 |
| 00:03:00,780 | 00:03:01,820 | 但是這限制呢 |
| 00:03:01,820 | 00:03:05,220 | 大概是大概維持30分鐘之內 |
| 00:03:05,220 | 00:03:09,579 | 然後來訓練各個機關部門你的應變作為 |
| 00:03:10,140 | 00:03:13,339 | 這相關應變作為將來會列出來 |
| 00:03:13,339 | 00:03:16,179 | 會作為一個改進的一個方式 |
| 00:03:16,179 | 00:03:17,540 | 那有什麼要跟民眾講 |
| 00:03:17,540 | 00:03:20,339 | 就是說民眾在這個期間之內要配合的部分 |
| 00:03:20,339 | 00:03:24,140 | 所以這個到時候記者會把他全部會把他列出來 |
| 00:03:24,140 | 00:03:24,540 | 好啊 |
| 00:03:24,540 | 00:03:26,339 | 你這樣子很尷尬嘛 |
| 00:03:26,339 | 00:03:28,660 | 我覺得我好我大概理解了 |
| 00:03:28,660 | 00:03:30,060 | 但是說也跟部長講一下 |
| 00:03:30,060 | 00:03:33,380 | 為什麼這個事情大家今天會有很多批評是因為 |
| 00:03:33,380 | 00:03:34,220 | 無論如何做到 |
| 00:03:34,220 | 00:03:35,619 | 但還是想要問國防部嘛 |
| 00:03:35,619 | 00:03:37,779 | 因為他也是在對於就是戰時 |
| 00:03:37,779 | 00:03:39,899 | 如果發生這樣事情的一個演訓 |
| 00:03:39,940 | 00:03:42,940 | 那結果現在要先等到22號23號 |
| 00:03:42,940 | 00:03:44,900 | 然後等行政院等通傳會 |
| 00:03:44,900 | 00:03:48,420 | 那這樣大家對這個事情來說的話就會引起一些不滿 |
| 00:03:48,420 | 00:03:49,340 | 這個部分的話 |
| 00:03:49,340 | 00:03:53,300 | 我希望國防部跟相關的單位能夠大家再統籌一下 |
| 00:03:53,300 | 00:03:54,500 | 那盡快的 |
| 00:03:55,340 | 00:03:57,260 | 盡快的做一個說明好不好 |
| 00:03:57,260 | 00:03:58,540 | 因為是否則的話 |
| 00:03:58,540 | 00:04:00,220 | 你看現在才幾號而已 |
| 00:04:00,220 | 00:04:02,660 | 那大家就已經在討論這個事情了 |
| 00:04:02,660 | 00:04:03,180 | 然後呢 |
| 00:04:03,180 | 00:04:05,740 | 你要這個講說你看一下 |
| 00:04:05,740 | 00:04:08,300 | 好2223號又再隔一天 |
| 00:04:08,340 | 00:04:09,980 | 那我覺得這個速度是有一點慢 |
| 00:04:09,980 | 00:04:13,100 | 因為會涉及到一般民眾的不便利性 |
| 00:04:13,100 | 00:04:15,740 | 那我們一定就要先把相關的一些 |
| 00:04:15,740 | 00:04:17,500 | 可能民眾需要配合的 |
| 00:04:17,500 | 00:04:19,260 | 那就把它提上時程來 |
| 00:04:19,260 | 00:04:20,540 | 否則大家就是會 |
| 00:04:20,540 | 00:04:22,100 | 你看一開始講話斷網 |
| 00:04:22,100 | 00:04:22,660 | 很緊張 |
| 00:04:22,660 | 00:04:24,300 | 然後今天講說降速 |
| 00:04:24,300 | 00:04:27,620 | 那到底具體的一些規劃是什麼 |
| 00:04:27,620 | 00:04:29,860 | 我們把所有的事情都講清楚之後 |
| 00:04:29,860 | 00:04:31,620 | 民眾才方便配合 |
| 00:04:31,620 | 00:04:32,660 | 好那我今天呢 |
| 00:04:32,660 | 00:04:34,020 | 其實主要謝謝 |
| 00:04:34,020 | 00:04:36,900 | 那我今天主要問的就是說有關於 |
| 00:04:36,940 | 00:04:38,659 | 法院最近在判決裡面 |
| 00:04:38,659 | 00:04:40,419 | 有點出說國防部 |
| 00:04:40,419 | 00:04:42,260 | 聯兵要資料 |
| 00:04:42,260 | 00:04:44,580 | 電子檔要怎麼樣去管理跟傳輸 |
| 00:04:44,580 | 00:04:45,900 | 是否需要報合 |
| 00:04:45,900 | 00:04:47,539 | 是沒有辦法講清楚的 |
| 00:04:47,539 | 00:04:48,299 | 所以呢 |
| 00:04:48,299 | 00:04:49,460 | 這個就有提到 |
| 00:04:49,460 | 00:04:51,219 | 這個是自由時報的報導 |
| 00:04:51,219 | 00:04:51,780 | 講說呢 |
| 00:04:51,780 | 00:04:54,060 | 這個共諜案的軍官被記過 |
| 00:04:54,060 | 00:04:56,219 | 六軍哨校是勝訴的 |
| 00:04:56,219 | 00:04:58,780 | 然後判決的相關原因是因為 |
| 00:04:58,780 | 00:05:00,780 | 我們相關的資料如何報合 |
| 00:05:00,780 | 00:05:02,780 | 是本身沒有清楚 |
| 00:05:02,780 | 00:05:03,260 | 然後呢 |
| 00:05:03,260 | 00:05:04,460 | 等於是說呢 |
| 00:05:04,460 | 00:05:06,380 | 法院認定的認證 |
| 00:05:06,380 | 00:05:08,900 | 就是說我們連內部機密管理制度 |
| 00:05:08,900 | 00:05:10,219 | 是有漏洞的 |
| 00:05:10,219 | 00:05:11,420 | 那想要請問一下 |
| 00:05:11,420 | 00:05:13,580 | 國防部針對這樣的一個判決 |
| 00:05:13,580 | 00:05:15,900 | 有沒有做相關的討論跟檢討 |
| 00:05:15,900 | 00:05:18,140 | 是我們之前就已經在做這個 |
| 00:05:18,140 | 00:05:20,500 | 資料治理跟精準和密的工作 |
| 00:05:20,500 | 00:05:22,219 | 那這個是我們現在 |
| 00:05:22,219 | 00:05:24,380 | 組一個很重要主要的政策 |
| 00:05:24,380 | 00:05:26,100 | 那就在推動 |
| 00:05:26,100 | 00:05:28,580 | 相關的這些都要做好這個 |
| 00:05:28,580 | 00:05:29,700 | 和密的工作 |
| 00:05:29,700 | 00:05:31,060 | 那和密也要精準 |
| 00:05:31,060 | 00:05:33,820 | 那另外為了要做資料治理 |
| 00:05:33,820 | 00:05:35,219 | 所以這些精準和密的工作 |
| 00:05:35,260 | 00:05:36,860 | 是一個基礎的功夫 |
| 00:05:36,860 | 00:05:39,020 | 那你們已經完成這樣子的一個 |
| 00:05:39,020 | 00:05:41,900 | 整體的方案落實下去了嗎 |
| 00:05:41,900 | 00:05:43,900 | 相關的話有連絡 |
| 00:05:44,860 | 00:05:46,219 | 各位委員報告 |
| 00:05:46,219 | 00:05:47,980 | 會造成這樣子 |
| 00:05:47,980 | 00:05:50,020 | 我們最主要的有兩個因素 |
| 00:05:50,020 | 00:05:51,900 | 就是一個機密檔案的 |
| 00:05:51,900 | 00:05:53,900 | 和密的一個流程 |
| 00:05:53,900 | 00:05:55,740 | 那這個是這個我們已經 |
| 00:05:55,740 | 00:05:58,340 | 正在推動正在執行 |
| 00:05:58,340 | 00:05:59,540 | 再來就是 |
| 00:06:00,190 | 00:06:01,710 | 資料很容易透過 |
| 00:06:01,710 | 00:06:04,030 | 母子疊的交換流出去 |
| 00:06:04,030 | 00:06:06,790 | 那未來我們在特別預算裡面 |
| 00:06:06,790 | 00:06:08,390 | 也規劃了這些 |
| 00:06:08,390 | 00:06:11,390 | 所謂的不透過母子疊 |
| 00:06:11,390 | 00:06:14,430 | 來做一個跨網域之間的交換 |
| 00:06:14,430 | 00:06:15,430 | 這些機制 |
| 00:06:15,430 | 00:06:17,430 | 那這些機制會在 |
| 00:06:17,950 | 00:06:19,950 | 今年到明年之間 |
| 00:06:19,950 | 00:06:22,990 | 透過設備透過管理的這個相關 |
| 00:06:22,990 | 00:06:24,430 | 機制會做 |
| 00:06:24,430 | 00:06:26,229 | 更完善的一個執行 |
| 00:06:26,229 | 00:06:26,750 | 好 |
| 00:06:26,750 | 00:06:27,710 | 那中間的部分 |
| 00:06:27,710 | 00:06:29,310 | 如果有再出現這種 |
| 00:06:29,310 | 00:06:31,550 | 可能有涉及到 |
| 00:06:31,550 | 00:06:33,270 | 遞交一些機密資料 |
| 00:06:33,270 | 00:06:34,070 | 那 |
| 00:06:34,070 | 00:06:35,909 | 因為你看這個案子就變成是說 |
| 00:06:35,909 | 00:06:38,669 | 其實這個人他確實有可能 |
| 00:06:38,669 | 00:06:40,270 | 洩漏一些資訊跟秘密 |
| 00:06:40,270 | 00:06:41,390 | 但為什麼他 |
| 00:06:41,390 | 00:06:43,310 | 涉入共諜案是勝訴的 |
| 00:06:43,310 | 00:06:45,870 | 那就在於說我們的相關機制是 |
| 00:06:45,870 | 00:06:46,950 | 不夠完善嘛 |
| 00:06:46,950 | 00:06:48,670 | 那我們要在這段期間 |
| 00:06:48,670 | 00:06:50,070 | 那怎麼樣去避免 |
| 00:06:50,070 | 00:06:53,270 | 像他們可以去鑽漏洞的 |
| 00:06:53,270 | 00:06:54,390 | 情況發生 |
| 00:06:54,390 | 00:06:55,789 | 對就剛講的那個 |
| 00:06:55,789 | 00:06:56,950 | 和密的流程 |
| 00:06:56,950 | 00:06:57,229 | 對 |
| 00:06:57,229 | 00:06:58,990 | 我們現在正在 |
| 00:06:58,990 | 00:07:01,070 | 沒有我就怕你中間還有空窗期嘛 |
| 00:07:01,070 | 00:07:01,870 | 我就是說 |
| 00:07:01,870 | 00:07:02,950 | 我剛剛已經聽懂了 |
| 00:07:02,950 | 00:07:03,669 | 你後面的 |
| 00:07:03,669 | 00:07:04,950 | 你做這樣的規劃 |
| 00:07:04,950 | 00:07:06,710 | 這個是我們已經之前 |
| 00:07:06,710 | 00:07:08,190 | 就已經開始做了 |
| 00:07:08,190 | 00:07:08,710 | 這個 |
| 00:07:08,710 | 00:07:10,909 | 這個流程上面之前 |
| 00:07:10,909 | 00:07:13,990 | 流程上面的時序講一下好不好 |
| 00:07:13,990 | 00:07:14,710 | 好委員好 |
| 00:07:14,710 | 00:07:15,870 | 我是政戰局局長 |
| 00:07:15,870 | 00:07:16,750 | 跟您報告 |
| 00:07:16,750 | 00:07:18,030 | 我們現在針對 |
| 00:07:18,030 | 00:07:19,870 | 每個官兵他 |
| 00:07:19,870 | 00:07:22,670 | 核給他是什麼樣等級的機密 |
| 00:07:22,670 | 00:07:24,670 | 程度才可以去接觸 |
| 00:07:24,670 | 00:07:26,270 | 什麼樣的機密文件 |
| 00:07:26,270 | 00:07:27,230 | 那麼這個部分 |
| 00:07:27,230 | 00:07:28,350 | 我們要對於 |
| 00:07:28,350 | 00:07:30,470 | 人員的機密查核 |
| 00:07:30,470 | 00:07:32,190 | 跟他的接觸等級的限制 |
| 00:07:32,190 | 00:07:33,430 | 是非常清楚的 |
| 00:07:33,430 | 00:07:34,030 | 好 |
| 00:07:34,030 | 00:07:35,190 | 那最後我要談一下 |
| 00:07:35,190 | 00:07:37,070 | 就是有關於這個教召 |
| 00:07:37,070 | 00:07:38,670 | 其實上一次我來 |
| 00:07:38,670 | 00:07:39,470 | 問部長的時候 |
| 00:07:39,470 | 00:07:40,630 | 我就講到了 |
| 00:07:40,630 | 00:07:42,670 | 就是那時候我就提到說呢 |
| 00:07:42,670 | 00:07:43,230 | 這個 |
| 00:07:43,230 | 00:07:45,550 | 因為我們增加很多教召 |
| 00:07:45,550 | 00:07:47,470 | 所以在增加很多教召的時候 |
| 00:07:47,470 | 00:07:49,310 | 一定會遇到一些問題 |
| 00:07:49,310 | 00:07:49,990 | 那那天 |
| 00:07:49,990 | 00:07:52,630 | 你就問我說是哪一個單位 |
| 00:07:52,630 | 00:07:53,950 | 那當時的時候 |
| 00:07:53,950 | 00:07:55,350 | 是這個 |
| 00:07:55,350 | 00:07:56,590 | 松指部 |
| 00:07:56,590 | 00:07:58,230 | 但我那時候我就講到一件事 |
| 00:07:58,230 | 00:07:59,070 | 你不能 |
| 00:07:59,070 | 00:07:59,950 | 每一次 |
| 00:07:59,950 | 00:08:01,070 | 有人反應了 |
| 00:08:01,070 | 00:08:02,190 | 有人爆料了 |
| 00:08:02,190 | 00:08:03,470 | 上了媒體了 |
| 00:08:03,470 | 00:08:04,390 | 然後你就說好 |
| 00:08:04,390 | 00:08:05,270 | 那這邊有問題 |
| 00:08:05,270 | 00:08:06,110 | 我去處理一個 |
| 00:08:06,110 | 00:08:09,150 | 因為教召是整體性都提高的 |
| 00:08:09,150 | 00:08:10,790 | 所以如果你今天只是說 |
| 00:08:10,790 | 00:08:12,510 | 今天有松指部的檢舉說 |
| 00:08:12,510 | 00:08:13,030 | 這裡有問題 |
| 00:08:13,030 | 00:08:13,950 | 你就去改善A |
| 00:08:13,950 | 00:08:14,430 | 改善B |
| 00:08:14,430 | 00:08:16,630 | 你沒有全面性的檢討的話 |
| 00:08:16,630 | 00:08:18,310 | 我上一次質詢的時候 |
| 00:08:18,310 | 00:08:18,990 | 我就講了 |
| 00:08:18,990 | 00:08:20,110 | 你這是頭痛一頭 |
| 00:08:20,110 | 00:08:20,950 | 腳痛一腳 |
| 00:08:21,980 | 00:08:24,860 | 馬上果然就又有另外的爆發 |
| 00:08:24,860 | 00:08:26,460 | 就是3月30號 |
| 00:08:26,460 | 00:08:27,980 | 包含是這個 |
| 00:08:27,980 | 00:08:31,700 | 這個還有7月8號質詢松指部的部分 |
| 00:08:31,700 | 00:08:34,820 | 那現在又有陸軍104旅的教召期間 |
| 00:08:34,820 | 00:08:35,539 | 包含 |
| 00:08:35,539 | 00:08:37,100 | 野戰沐浴設備故障 |
| 00:08:37,100 | 00:08:38,260 | 12間淋浴間 |
| 00:08:38,260 | 00:08:40,060 | 只有5間能用 |
| 00:08:40,060 | 00:08:41,060 | 不到一半 |
| 00:08:41,060 | 00:08:42,980 | 連續多天是沒有熱水的 |
| 00:08:42,980 | 00:08:45,220 | 而且水質是可能有問題的 |
| 00:08:45,220 | 00:08:46,500 | 那請問一下 |
| 00:08:46,500 | 00:08:49,380 | 這一次104旅的教召 |
| 00:08:49,380 | 00:08:50,620 | 出現了什麼樣的問題 |
| 00:08:50,620 | 00:08:52,100 | 你們的檢討如何 |
| 00:08:54,580 | 00:08:57,740 | 我們的確這次在腰動4旅的教召 |
| 00:08:57,740 | 00:09:00,180 | 他的開設沐浴站的這個 |
| 00:09:00,180 | 00:09:03,540 | 其中有一座的馬達是有問題 |
| 00:09:03,540 | 00:09:08,260 | 所以導致原本應該是同時間可以供12人使用 |
| 00:09:08,260 | 00:09:09,860 | 那因為其中有一座有問題 |
| 00:09:09,860 | 00:09:11,580 | 所以這個就減半 |
| 00:09:11,580 | 00:09:14,460 | 那這個問題其實發生了 |
| 00:09:14,460 | 00:09:16,500 | 地區支援5支部也好 |
| 00:09:16,500 | 00:09:17,700 | 地補庫也好 |
| 00:09:17,700 | 00:09:18,860 | 其實都有備料 |
| 00:09:18,860 | 00:09:20,540 | 都可以立刻去做更換 |
| 00:09:20,540 | 00:09:22,980 | 那但是就是當時的幹部 |
| 00:09:23,020 | 00:09:25,820 | 他因為還忙於其他的教召數物 |
| 00:09:25,820 | 00:09:27,980 | 所以疏於反應 |
| 00:09:27,980 | 00:09:28,900 | 他如果一個反應 |
| 00:09:28,900 | 00:09:31,260 | 其實在實軍團在5支部 |
| 00:09:31,260 | 00:09:32,780 | 立刻就可以更換 |
| 00:09:32,780 | 00:09:36,300 | 那當然也在召援反應我們得知之後 |
| 00:09:36,300 | 00:09:37,820 | 我們就立刻做了應處的作為 |
| 00:09:37,820 | 00:09:39,540 | 在當天中午之前 |
| 00:09:39,540 | 00:09:40,540 | 也就做了更換 |
| 00:09:40,540 | 00:09:42,940 | 那也跟召援講清楚說明白 |
| 00:09:42,940 | 00:09:45,140 | 那至於水質的部分是因為 |
| 00:09:45,140 | 00:09:46,340 | 我們也不能怪宮廟 |
| 00:09:46,340 | 00:09:47,540 | 因為我們已經借助宮廟 |
| 00:09:47,540 | 00:09:49,340 | 宮廟跟我們很大的協助 |
| 00:09:49,340 | 00:09:51,820 | 那因為那個提供的水質 |
| 00:09:51,860 | 00:09:54,260 | 也就是比較有一點顏色 |
| 00:09:54,260 | 00:09:56,060 | 所以黃色地下水 |
| 00:09:56,060 | 00:09:56,460 | 好的 |
| 00:09:56,460 | 00:09:57,340 | 也是可以沐浴的 |
| 00:09:57,340 | 00:09:58,540 | 請好好檢討 |
| 00:09:58,540 | 00:10:00,460 | 那這個部長 |
| 00:10:00,460 | 00:10:01,460 | 就是我們不能說 |
| 00:10:01,460 | 00:10:02,660 | 每一次教召的時候 |
| 00:10:02,660 | 00:10:03,540 | 都說是個案 |
| 00:10:03,540 | 00:10:05,100 | 因為你從住宿沐浴 |
| 00:10:05,100 | 00:10:07,180 | 飲水 伙食 裝備等等的這個問題 |
| 00:10:07,180 | 00:10:08,140 | 我們找人家來 |
| 00:10:08,140 | 00:10:10,260 | 那我們也要做好相對應的準備 |
| 00:10:10,260 | 00:10:11,620 | 不然我們教召這麼多人 |
| 00:10:11,620 | 00:10:13,380 | 可是我們國防部相關的系統 |
| 00:10:13,380 | 00:10:14,500 | 我們沒有準備好 |
| 00:10:14,500 | 00:10:15,980 | 這個其實是不對的 |
| 00:10:15,980 | 00:10:17,340 | 那所以我想要問一下說 |
| 00:10:17,340 | 00:10:18,940 | 我們能不能在一個時段 |
| 00:10:18,940 | 00:10:21,100 | 時間裡面去完全 |
| 00:10:21,260 | 00:10:22,900 | 各軍團去清查一下 |
| 00:10:22,900 | 00:10:24,660 | 我們教召到底整體情況 |
| 00:10:24,660 | 00:10:26,180 | 有沒有系統性能夠 |
| 00:10:26,180 | 00:10:27,340 | 把它改善的部分 |
| 00:10:27,340 | 00:10:28,060 | 而不是說 |
| 00:10:28,060 | 00:10:29,940 | 好像我每一個禮拜都要 |
| 00:10:29,940 | 00:10:31,100 | 有人來陳情 |
| 00:10:31,100 | 00:10:32,300 | 然後有人來爆料之後 |
| 00:10:32,300 | 00:10:33,660 | 然後一個問一個 |
| 00:10:33,660 | 00:10:34,260 | 一個問一個 |
| 00:10:34,260 | 00:10:35,900 | 這樣永遠都沒有辦法結束 |
| 00:10:35,900 | 00:10:36,500 | 我問一下部長 |
| 00:10:36,500 | 00:10:37,340 | 因為我時間不夠 |
| 00:10:37,340 | 00:10:39,540 | 後面還有委員要問好不好 |
| 00:10:39,540 | 00:10:40,860 | 包容我簡單說 |
| 00:10:40,860 | 00:10:42,620 | 有關於招訓 |
| 00:10:42,620 | 00:10:43,500 | 我們很重視的 |
| 00:10:43,500 | 00:10:44,820 | 是一個實戰化的需求 |
| 00:10:44,820 | 00:10:46,700 | 不是 因為不只你陸軍 |
| 00:10:46,700 | 00:10:47,980 | 今天就是陸海空 |
| 00:10:47,980 | 00:10:49,380 | 那每一軍種都有嗎 |
| 00:10:49,380 | 00:10:50,300 | 當然最主要是 |
| 00:10:51,260 | 00:10:51,939 | 這我們必須 |
| 00:10:51,939 | 00:10:52,500 | 也沒有 |
| 00:10:52,500 | 00:10:53,740 | 因為上一次我問的時候 |
| 00:10:53,740 | 00:10:54,620 | 是空軍嗎 |
| 00:10:54,620 | 00:10:56,300 | 那簡單的跟委員報告 |
| 00:10:56,300 | 00:10:58,459 | 因為其實我們在課程 |
| 00:10:58,459 | 00:11:01,099 | 各個方面也不斷的在增加 |
| 00:11:01,099 | 00:11:03,020 | 更嚴謹和更實戰化 |
| 00:11:03,020 | 00:11:04,260 | 所以我們也很重視 |
| 00:11:04,260 | 00:11:05,180 | 召援的反應 |
| 00:11:05,180 | 00:11:06,180 | 那我們 |
| 00:11:06,180 | 00:11:07,420 | 不是 我的意思就是說 |
| 00:11:07,420 | 00:11:08,979 | 你不能一次有人反應 |
| 00:11:08,979 | 00:11:09,900 | 然後做一個 |
| 00:11:09,900 | 00:11:11,219 | 不是一個整體的 |
| 00:11:11,219 | 00:11:13,020 | 因為當你教召的人數 |
| 00:11:13,020 | 00:11:14,380 | 都增加之後 |
| 00:11:14,380 | 00:11:15,420 | 那當然你 |
| 00:11:15,420 | 00:11:16,859 | 我們的這些勤務 |
| 00:11:16,859 | 00:11:18,620 | 那也會變得比較繁重 |
| 00:11:18,620 | 00:11:19,219 | 包容是 |
| 00:11:19,260 | 00:11:20,420 | 不能說頭痛一層 |
| 00:11:20,420 | 00:11:21,020 | 腳痛一層 |
| 00:11:21,020 | 00:11:21,540 | 所以我 |
| 00:11:21,540 | 00:11:21,980 | 我跟你講 |
| 00:11:21,980 | 00:11:23,540 | 我們給部長一點時間回應 |
| 00:11:23,540 | 00:11:23,860 | 好不好 |
| 00:11:23,860 | 00:11:24,620 | 因為我其實 |
| 00:11:24,620 | 00:11:25,380 | 要問你的部分 |
| 00:11:25,380 | 00:11:26,340 | 已經問完了 |
| 00:11:26,340 | 00:11:27,220 | 因為我現在問的是 |
| 00:11:27,220 | 00:11:28,820 | 不同軍種的部分 |
| 00:11:28,820 | 00:11:31,500 | 針對我們教召的人數提高 |
| 00:11:31,500 | 00:11:32,220 | 那是不是有一個 |
| 00:11:32,220 | 00:11:33,860 | 全面性的盤點 |
| 00:11:33,860 | 00:11:35,060 | 因為我沒有問你的原因 |
| 00:11:35,060 | 00:11:36,460 | 是因為不見得只有陸軍 |
| 00:11:36,460 | 00:11:37,980 | 我上禮拜問的是空軍 |
| 00:11:37,980 | 00:11:40,100 | 這禮拜是問的是陸軍 |
| 00:11:40,100 | 00:11:41,740 | 每一軍種如果都不 |
| 00:11:41,740 | 00:11:42,820 | 不斷的在發生 |
| 00:11:42,820 | 00:11:43,700 | 這樣的問題的時候 |
| 00:11:43,700 | 00:11:45,100 | 那回歸到的還是 |
| 00:11:45,100 | 00:11:46,460 | 部長對這件事情的 |
| 00:11:46,460 | 00:11:47,740 | 整體的態度 |
| 00:11:47,780 | 00:11:49,300 | 我是不是先就此行念 |
| 00:11:49,300 | 00:11:50,420 | 簡單的回應一下 |
| 00:11:50,420 | 00:11:51,500 | 因為已經 |
| 00:11:51,500 | 00:11:52,020 | 你要不要 |
| 00:11:52,020 | 00:11:53,340 | 請部長回答好了 |
| 00:11:53,340 | 00:11:54,100 | 昭瑋請部長回答 |
| 00:11:54,100 | 00:11:54,900 | 因為時間不夠 |
| 00:11:54,900 | 00:11:56,180 | 後面還有委員要問 |
| 00:11:56,180 | 00:11:56,500 | 好不好 |
| 00:11:57,540 | 00:11:58,860 | 我想委員 |
| 00:11:58,860 | 00:12:02,020 | 希望是我們做一個檢討 |
| 00:12:02,020 | 00:12:02,420 | 是吧 |
| 00:12:02,420 | 00:12:04,460 | 那我會請陸海空軍 |
| 00:12:04,460 | 00:12:06,260 | 他們各軍種來做一個檢討 |
| 00:12:06,260 | 00:12:07,420 | 對全面性的檢討 |
| 00:12:07,420 | 00:12:09,300 | 就是我們的召援提升之後 |
| 00:12:09,300 | 00:12:11,460 | 我們相對應的一些運儲 |
| 00:12:11,460 | 00:12:12,500 | 那怎麼樣去做 |
| 00:12:12,500 | 00:12:14,380 | 那也要相對應的去提升 |
| 00:12:14,380 | 00:12:14,900 | 好不好 |
| 00:12:14,900 | 00:12:15,819 | 謝謝 |
| 00:12:15,819 | 00:12:16,939 | 好 謝謝 |
| 00:12:17,700 | 00:12:18,460 | 接下來 |