iVOD / 170592

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IVOD_ID 170592
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170592
日期 2026-07-20
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-5-22-21
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第21次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 5
會議資料.會次 21
會議資料.種類 委員會
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會議資料.標題 第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第21次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2026-07-20T11:30:37+08:00
結束時間 2026-07-20T11:37:28+08:00
影片長度 00:06:51
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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委員名稱 鄭天財Sra Kacaw
委員發言時間 11:30:37 - 11:37:28
會議時間 2026-07-20T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第21次全體委員會議(事由:邀請中央研究院院長陳建仁列席報告業務概況,並備質詢。)
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 有請院長
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 好 有請院長
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 院長好久不見
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 好久不見 對
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 好 這個今天中元宴的報告
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 這個特別要請中元宴
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 這個中元宴很重要
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 那日治時期的部分等一下我們也可以談談
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 這是
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transcript.whisperx[156].text 都完整的話
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transcript.whisperx[159].text 還有跟文化部
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transcript.whisperx[160].text 我們也會來討論
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transcript.whisperx[161].text 一起合作
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transcript.whisperx[162].text 謝謝政天才委員的指示