| IVOD_ID |
170592 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170592 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
21 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第21次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-20T11:30:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-20T11:37:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:30:37 - 11:37:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第21次全體委員會議（事由：邀請中央研究院院長陳建仁列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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0.905 |
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10.29 |
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11.79 |
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主席 各位委員 |
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11.79 |
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13.29 |
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有請院長 |
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13.29 |
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15.29 |
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好 有請院長 |
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17.92 |
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19.92 |
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院長好久不見 |
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19.92 |
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20.92 |
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好久不見 對 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
20.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
21.92 |
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恭喜恭喜 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
23.35 |
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26.35 |
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好 這個今天中元宴的報告 |
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26.35 |
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29.35 |
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這個特別要請中元宴 |
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30.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
35.17 |
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還有我們所有的中元所屬的相關的單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
36.57 |
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38.57 |
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這個中元宴很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
39.37 |
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41.37 |
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我們看 我看了你的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
41.37 |
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44.37 |
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也寫的非常多 很詳細 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
45.78 |
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47.78 |
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我們就看這一段 |
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48.53 |
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53.53 |
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執行日治時期 台灣人類血以民族血史 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
53.53 |
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56.53 |
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這方面的一個研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
57.93 |
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61.93 |
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那日治時期的部分等一下我們也可以談談 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
62.79 |
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64.79 |
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那日治時期之前 |
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66.13 |
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69.13 |
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台灣的原住民族 |
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69.72 |
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71.72 |
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所碰到的這些很多的 |
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73.25 |
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75.25 |
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這是 |
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75.24 |
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77.24 |
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歷程或是歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
78.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
79.42 |
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那一位沒有 |
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80.09 |
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81.09 |
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到目前為止 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
81.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
83.09 |
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就是因為不完整 |
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83.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
84.83 |
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不完整 |
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84.83 |
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85.83 |
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無論是中元宴 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
86.7 |
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87.7 |
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或者是博士館 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
89.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
91.5 |
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就是因為對原住民族的 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
91.5 |
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93.5 |
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五十日治時期 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
93.84 |
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95.84 |
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或者是日治時期之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
96.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
97.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
不夠完整 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
99.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
101.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
100.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
103.57 |
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我們政府機關所建築的成立的 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
104.79 |
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105.79 |
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所以說公共電視 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
107.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
109.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
他 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
108.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
110.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
去開發一個電影 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
110.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
112.76 |
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好 我們看 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
113.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
114.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
思考囉 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
115.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
117.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
公共電視 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
117.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
119.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
政府的錢 人民的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
120.55 |
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123.55 |
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結果對原住民傷害非常非常的大 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
125.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
126.43 |
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他就根據一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
127.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
128.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
編輯 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
129.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
130.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
導演就根據什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
130.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
131.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
一個小說 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
132.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
134.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
就根據一個小說就這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
135.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
137.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
136.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
138.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
就是因為我們自己 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
140.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
142.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
自己手沒有寫出來嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
143.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
146.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
只有一個小說加寫的 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
146.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
147.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
他就根據這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
148.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
151.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
就對原住民的傷害非常非常的大 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
153.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
154.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
155.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
158.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
屏東馬家鄉良商部落的你頭目 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
159.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
160.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
蔡依珊 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
161.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
163.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
也是平中國小老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
164.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
165.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
他就做了一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
166.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
168.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
很 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
167.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
168.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
沉重的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
170.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
171.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
172.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
174.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
這個就是我們自己國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
175.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
177.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
有中研院有國史館 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
178.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
180.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
就是沒有做很到現在沒有啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
182.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
185.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
沒有針對思考囉當時事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
185.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
187.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
所發生的前因後果 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
187.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
189.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
或是相關的這些史實 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
189.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
190.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
到現在還是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
192.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
194.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
這個就是我們要啟明中研院 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
196.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
198.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
怎麼樣跟國史館共同的去 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
200.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
202.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
去去去推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
203.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
205.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
所以這樣的一個情形之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
205.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
207.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
我就不多說 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
207.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
209.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
我就講那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
209.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
211.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
被 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
210.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
212.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
在這個世界裡面思考了這個電影裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
213.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
215.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
被捧的很高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
215.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
216.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
就李仙德 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
218.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
219.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
他是美國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
219.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
221.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
李仙 李仙德 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
222.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
223.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
是美國人 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
223.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
224.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
被捧的高高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
225.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
227.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
但是對我們原住民來講他是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
227.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
229.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
對我們非常傷害很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
230.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
232.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
大家可能還不知道為什麼傷害很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
234 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
236 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
因為李仙德在思考囉事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
237.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
239.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
結束之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
239.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
241.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
他跑到日本 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
241.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
243.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
日本去推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
243.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
245.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
產生的發生了這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
246.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
248.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
牡丹式事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
248.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
250.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
牡丹式事件就是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
250.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
252.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
李仙德到 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
252.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
254.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
就認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
254.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
256.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
他就開創了什麼呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
260.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
262.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
日本為什麼會主張升番帝為無主之地 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
263.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
265.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
就是李仙德 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
265.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
267.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
在日本去推動了 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
269.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
271.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
所以這個部分就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
272.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
274.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
為了特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
275.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
277.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
讓我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
276.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
278.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
院長知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
278.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
280.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
在你當副總統的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
280.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
282.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
我們的蔡總統說 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
283.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
285.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
有一本書叫做《台灣通史》 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
286.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
288.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
他的戲演第一段提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
288.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
290.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
台灣故如史也 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
290.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
292.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
何人啟之正是坐之 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
292.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
294.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
清代吟之 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
294.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
296.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
這剛就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
296.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
298.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
沒有把台灣原住民放在 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
299.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
301.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
裡面了 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
300.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
302.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
所以要去處理啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
302.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
304.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
結果到現在還是沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
304.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
306.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
我用這個來免利 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
307.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
309.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
我們中元宴 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
311.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
313.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
包括我們的南島也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
314.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
316.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
南島民族 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
316.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
318.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
台灣是原住民 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
318.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
320.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
南島民族的發言地 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
321.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
323.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
我們現在只能一用 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
324.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
326.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
國外的 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
326.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
328.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
學者的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
328.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
330.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
讓我們自己呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
330.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
332.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
所以這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
332.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
334.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
中元宴國事館 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
334.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
336.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
共同的來去 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
336.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
338.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
共同的來去整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
338.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
340.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
這些資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
340.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
342.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
可以嗎院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
342.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
344.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
其實中元宴在原住民族的 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
344.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
348.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
文化知識傳統的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
348.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
350.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
也有不少 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
350.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
352.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
然後我們像剛才 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
352.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
354.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
吳釗偉在講到我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
354.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
356.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
跟這個部落的 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
356.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
358.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
工作的這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
358.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
360.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
也有在進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
360.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
362.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
當然您剛才提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
362.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
364.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
那一本書 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
364.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
366.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
366.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
368.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
確實是一本小說 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
368.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
370.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
那是我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
370.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
372.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
完整的史實的參考 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
372.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
374.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
那中元宴這邊來鼓勵 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
374.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
376.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
看我們的同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
376.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
378.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
會不會對這一些以往的 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
378.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
380.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
原住民相關的史料 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
380.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
382.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
做更深入的來探討 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
382.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
384.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
要共同的去堆墮跟故事 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
384.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
386.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
像那個部落歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
386.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
388.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
我過去在 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
388.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
390.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
業民會當副主委的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
390.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
392.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
就協調國事館 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
392.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
394.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
就開始堆動 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
393.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
395.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
整個部落歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
395.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
397.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
整個所有部落歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
397.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
399.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
都完整的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
399.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
401.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
就是整個台灣原住民族的歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
401.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
403.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
所以跟原民會 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
403.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
405.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
還有跟文化部 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
405.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
407.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
我們也會來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
407.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
409.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
一起合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
409.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
411.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
謝謝政天才委員的指示 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-07-20T11:30:47.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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2026-07-20T11:30:48.540000+08:00 |
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主席、各位委員。 |
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1 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-07-20T11:30:48.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-07-20T11:30:49.915000+08:00 |
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有請院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
1 |
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主席 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-07-20T11:30:50.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-07-20T11:30:51.890000+08:00 |
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好，有請院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
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陳院長建仁 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-07-20T11:30:51.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-07-20T11:30:54.920000+08:00 |
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鄭委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-07-20T11:30:54.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-07-20T11:30:56.586667+08:00 |
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院長好，好久不見。 |
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陳院長建仁 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-07-20T11:30:56.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-07-20T11:30:57.520000+08:00 |
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好久不見。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-07-20T11:30:57.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-07-20T11:30:58.670000+08:00 |
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恭喜、恭喜。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-07-20T11:31:01.168182+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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2026-07-20T11:31:11.875882+08:00 |
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今天是中研院的業務報告，特別請中研院及所有中研院所屬相關單位列席。 |
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0.613 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-07-20T11:31:14.070000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-07-20T11:31:21.036667+08:00 |
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中研院很重要，我看了你的報告，寫得非常多也很詳細。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.818 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-20T11:31:22.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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2026-07-20T11:31:38.485556+08:00 |
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我們來看簡報上這段文字，有關「執行《日治時期臺灣人類學與民族學史》」這方面的研究，針對日治時期的部分，我們等一下也可以談。 |
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0.717 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
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| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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2026-07-20T11:33:08.345714+08:00 |
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日治時期之前，臺灣原住民族所碰到很多的這些歷程或是歷史，到目前為止，因為史料不完整，無論是中研院或是國史館，對於原住民族不管是日治時期，或者是日治時期之前都不夠完整，所以我們政府機關所捐助成立的譬如公共電視，它所開發製作的一部電影「斯卡羅」，公共電視花費政府的錢、人民的錢去製作的，結果對原住民傷害非常非常大，編劇、導演就僅根據一本小說，因為我們自己沒有寫出來，他們就只有根據一位小說家寫的小說來製作這部電影，對原住民的傷害非常非常地大。 |
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0.735 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-20T11:33:10.440000+08:00 |
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2026-07-20T11:33:27.560000+08:00 |
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當時屏東瑪家鄉涼山部落的女頭目蔡衣珊，也是屏東國小老師，她就做了一個很沉重的說明及呼籲。 |
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0.732 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-07-20T11:33:30.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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2026-07-20T11:33:58.730000+08:00 |
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而我們自己國家有中研院、有國史館，但到現在都沒有針對當時斯卡羅事件所發生的前因後果，或是相關這些史實來探究，這就是我們要期勉中研院怎麼樣與國史館共同的來推動。 |
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0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-07-20T11:34:00.793636+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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2026-07-20T11:34:29.666667+08:00 |
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在這樣的情形之下，我就不多說，我就講這部「斯卡羅」電影裡被捧得很高的叫李仙得，他是美國人，被捧得高高的，但是對我們原住民來說，他是一位對我們傷害非常大的人物，大家可能還不知道為什麼傷害很大？ |
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0.812 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-07-20T11:34:31+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-07-20T11:34:53.610000+08:00 |
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因為李仙得在斯卡羅事件結束之後，跑到日本去推動「番地無主論」，進而發生牡丹社事件，李仙得提倡了什麼呢？ |
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0.667 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-07-20T11:34:57.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-07-20T11:34:58.885000+08:00 |
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日本為什麼會主張「生番地為無主之地」？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-07-20T11:35:00.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-07-20T11:35:04.098571+08:00 |
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就是李仙得在日本推動的。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-20T11:35:06.570000+08:00 |
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針對這個部分，我要特別讓院長知道，在你當副總統的時候，我們蔡總統說，有一本書叫「臺灣通史」，它的序言第一段提到「臺灣固無史也。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-20T11:35:27.670000+08:00 |
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2026-07-20T11:35:30.920000+08:00 |
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荷人啟之，鄭氏作之，清代營之。 |
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0.583 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-20T11:35:32.310000+08:00 |
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」當然就是沒有把臺灣原住民放在裡面，所以要去處理，結果到現在還是沒有。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-20T11:35:41.050000+08:00 |
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2026-07-20T11:36:07.106667+08:00 |
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我用這個來勉勵中研院，包括我們的南島也是一樣，臺灣是南島民族的發源地，我們現在只能引用國外學者的資料，我們自己的呢？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-20T11:36:07.660000+08:00 |
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2026-07-20T11:36:19.020000+08:00 |
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所以針對這個部分，請中研院及國史館共同來整合這些資源，可以嗎？院長。好。 |
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陳院長建仁 |
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2026-07-20T11:36:19.420000+08:00 |
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2026-07-20T11:36:49.170000+08:00 |
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其實中研院在原住民族的文化、知識及傳統的研究也不少，像剛才伍召委也提到我們跟部落共作的這個部分也有在進行，當然您剛才提到那一本書裡的內容，確實是一本小說，沒有很完整史實的參考。 |
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0.817 |
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陳院長建仁 |
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2026-07-20T11:36:49.642222+08:00 |
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2026-07-20T11:36:59.170000+08:00 |
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中研院這邊會鼓勵我們的同仁對這一些以往原住民相關史料，作更深入的探討。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-20T11:36:59.420000+08:00 |
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要與國史館共同去推動。 |
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0.4 |
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陳院長建仁 |
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2026-07-20T11:37:00.220000+08:00 |
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當然這個部分…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-07-20T11:37:01.420000+08:00 |
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像那個部落歷史，我過去在原民會當副主委的時候，就協調國史館開始推動部落歷史，整個所有部落的歷史都完整的話，就是整個臺灣原住民族的歷史。對。 |
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陳院長建仁 |
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2026-07-20T11:37:26.060000+08:00 |
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所以我們也會與原民會及文化部一起合作來討論。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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好，謝謝。謝謝。 |
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0.4 |
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主席 |
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2026-07-20T11:37:27.260000+08:00 |
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謝謝鄭天財委員的質詢，也請院長回座。 |
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0.25 |
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主席 |
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2026-07-20T11:37:32.131429+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-07-20T11:37:38.702857+08:00 |
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下一位也是今天的最後一位，有請葉元之委員進行詢答。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（11時30分）主席、各位委員。有請院長。 |
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主席：好，有請院長。 |
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陳院長建仁：鄭委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：院長好，好久不見。 |
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陳院長建仁：好久不見。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：恭喜、恭喜。今天是中研院的業務報告，特別請中研院及所有中研院所屬相關單位列席。中研院很重要，我看了你的報告，寫得非常多也很詳細。我們來看簡報上這段文字，有關「執行《日治時期臺灣人類學與民族學史》」這方面的研究，針對日治時期的部分，我們等一下也可以談。日治時期之前，臺灣原住民族所碰到很多的這些歷程或是歷史，到目前為止，因為史料不完整，無論是中研院或是國史館，對於原住民族不管是日治時期，或者是日治時期之前都不夠完整，所以我們政府機關所捐助成立的譬如公共電視，它所開發製作的一部電影「斯卡羅」，公共電視花費政府的錢、人民的錢去製作的，結果對原住民傷害非常非常大，編劇、導演就僅根據一本小說，因為我們自己沒有寫出來，他們就只有根據一位小說家寫的小說來製作這部電影，對原住民的傷害非常非常地大。當時屏東瑪家鄉涼山部落的女頭目蔡衣珊，也是屏東國小老師，她就做了一個很沉重的說明及呼籲。而我們自己國家有中研院、有國史館，但到現在都沒有針對當時斯卡羅事件所發生的前因後果，或是相關這些史實來探究，這就是我們要期勉中研院怎麼樣與國史館共同的來推動。 |
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在這樣的情形之下，我就不多說，我就講這部「斯卡羅」電影裡被捧得很高的叫李仙得，他是美國人，被捧得高高的，但是對我們原住民來說，他是一位對我們傷害非常大的人物，大家可能還不知道為什麼傷害很大？因為李仙得在斯卡羅事件結束之後，跑到日本去推動「番地無主論」，進而發生牡丹社事件，李仙得提倡了什麼呢？日本為什麼會主張「生番地為無主之地」？就是李仙得在日本推動的。針對這個部分，我要特別讓院長知道，在你當副總統的時候，我們蔡總統說，有一本書叫「臺灣通史」，它的序言第一段提到「臺灣固無史也。荷人啟之，鄭氏作之，清代營之。」當然就是沒有把臺灣原住民放在裡面，所以要去處理，結果到現在還是沒有。我用這個來勉勵中研院，包括我們的南島也是一樣，臺灣是南島民族的發源地，我們現在只能引用國外學者的資料，我們自己的呢？所以針對這個部分，請中研院及國史館共同來整合這些資源，可以嗎？院長。 |
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陳院長建仁：好。其實中研院在原住民族的文化、知識及傳統的研究也不少，像剛才伍召委也提到我們跟部落共作的這個部分也有在進行，當然您剛才提到那一本書裡的內容，確實是一本小說，沒有很完整史實的參考。中研院這邊會鼓勵我們的同仁對這一些以往原住民相關史料，作更深入的探討。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：要與國史館共同去推動。 |
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陳院長建仁：當然這個部分…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：像那個部落歷史，我過去在原民會當副主委的時候，就協調國史館開始推動部落歷史，整個所有部落的歷史都完整的話，就是整個臺灣原住民族的歷史。 |
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陳院長建仁：對。所以我們也會與原民會及文化部一起合作來討論。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[12][0] |
陳院長建仁：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝鄭天財委員的質詢，也請院長回座。 |
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下一位也是今天的最後一位，有請葉元之委員進行詢答。 |
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226 |
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委員會-11-5-22-21 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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柯志恩 |
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羅廷瑋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
葛如鈞 |
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陳秀寳 |
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蔡春綢 |
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郭昱晴 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
謝龍介 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
陳培瑜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
吳思瑤 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
吳沛憶 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
許忠信 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
林宜瑾 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
傅崐萁 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
吳宗憲 |
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1 |
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2026-07-20 |
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1156501 |
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1156501_00002 |
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立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第21次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請中央研究院院長陳建仁列席報告業務概況，並備質詢 |
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1156501_00001 |