| IVOD_ID |
170588 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170588 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
27 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-20T11:07:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-20T11:17:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/09ae2675330bc1e5491efca1d146f455462d4557d658398c4ecbf2277d9178731d216fa11ae63dd35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許忠信 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:07:43 - 11:17:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「國軍軍品採購履約爭議與違約致獲裝期程延宕採購策略精進作為」，並備質詢。） |
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我們有請國防部部長 |
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請顧部長 |
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部長好 |
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我要說個事喔 別再假扮 |
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我們在二次大戰 |
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末期日本造了一台潛艇 |
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它是航空母艦 |
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它準備要潛航到巴拉馬運河 |
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再浮起來 |
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炸掉巴拉馬運河 |
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後來這個技術變成是一個機密 |
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我要請問部長 |
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我們無人機有沒有航空母艦 |
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有沒有什麼 |
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航空母艦 |
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KUBO |
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航空母艦 |
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無人機有沒有航空母艦 |
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現在大家會有在發展 |
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在這個一個母船上面 |
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會有一個無人機的一個 |
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將這個船做為無人機的一個載台 |
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那個母船就是Motorship |
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我現在秀四張圖給各位看 |
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第一張圖就是部長上次跟我教導的民船 |
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民船用的 |
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無人機母船Motorship |
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83.32 |
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那中國現在也發展出專門載無人機的母船 |
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86.28 |
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是ZoomMotorship |
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86.28 |
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87.84 |
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各位看第二張圖 |
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88.8 |
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91.6 |
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有一隻叫做Tiger Killer |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
92.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
94.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
有一隻叫做Philokiller |
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96.04 |
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99 |
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這些圖是西方的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
99.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
101.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
他們親自去拍攝到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
101.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
103.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
所以它不是用民船而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
104.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
108.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
它也專門替無人機製造母船 |
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108.28 |
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112 |
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所以我把它稱為無人機航空母艦 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
113.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
115.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
那麼這個佈置在哪裡呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
115.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
118.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
部長請各位看到第三張圖 |
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119.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
121.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
從南海仲裁案 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
122.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
124.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
南海的土地爭議以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
125.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
128.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
中國把這些KillerMotorship |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
129.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
132.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
PhilokillerMotorship等這些無人機母船 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
133.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
137.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
沿著南海九段線來佈置 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
138.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
141.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
這上次部長到本黨團的時候 |
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141.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
143.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
我有跟各位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
144.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
149.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
所以各位你可以看到它用無人機母船搭載無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
150.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
153 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
在守護它南海它的主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
154.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
157.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
所以它有很強大的威脅 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
158.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
159.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
那現在我要跟各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
160.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
162 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
跟台灣有什麼關係呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
162.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
163.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
各位看到第四張圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
165.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
167.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
這四張圖是西方的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
168.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
173.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
他們不了解為什麼中國在2019年以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
174.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
177.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
在台灣的東岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
178.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
179.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
的太平洋西岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
180.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
183.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
佈置很多湖標 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
183.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
184.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
波羽 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
185.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
188.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
他們說不知道中國要做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
188.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
190.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
那個湖標做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
191.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
195.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
上次部長到我們本黨團來做報告的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
196.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
197.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
我有跟部長做報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
199.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
202.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
南海因為沒有洋流 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
203.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
206.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
所以這些無人機母船不會被漂走 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
207.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
209.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
所以他們就已經佈置了 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
210.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
212.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
但是太平洋不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
213.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
215.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
它有很強的洋流 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
216.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
218.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
從赤道往北走 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
218.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
222.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
然後又繞回北美洲往南 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
224.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
225.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
這個洋流 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
226.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
228.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
會把它的無人機母船 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
229.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
230.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
漂走 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
231.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
233.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
因為這個無人機母船沒辦法射毛 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
234.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
236.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
因為太平洋太深 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
236.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
237.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
尤其台灣的東海岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
238.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
239.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
有很深的海溝 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
240.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
241.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
沒辦法射毛 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
241.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
243.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
所以它母船會被漂走 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
244.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
246.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
所以我個人懷疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
247.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
252.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
中國在這個地方佈置這麼多紅色點的 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
254.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
254.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
湖標 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
256.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
258.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
應該是要在測洋流 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
259 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
259.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
風速 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
260.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
260.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
261.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
263.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
部長您覺得我這樣看 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
263.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
264.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
267 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
267.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
269.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
270.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
包園那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
270.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
271.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
布衣這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
271.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
272.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
這個設置 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
272.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
274.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
布衣這個設置基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
275.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
276.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
它的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
276.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
280.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
會依照使用者他的需求去做界定 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
280.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
281.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
它有分水面的跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
282.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
285.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
半浮的跟水下固定式的 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
285.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
286.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
那我們看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
287.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
290 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
如果您顯示出來的這個部分在東海岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
290 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
292.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
這是西方的戰略專家他們的圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
292.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
296.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
我們還是認為它做水文調查的可能性是比較高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
297.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
299 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
所以這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
299 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
302.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
因為水文調查就涉及到它未來海軍武力運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
302.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
305.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
所以這個部分收集情資的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
305.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
306.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
我們也一直在掌握當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
307.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
309.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
那當然相關的部分屬於機密的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
309.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
311.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
也不方便在這個地方跟委員做說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
312.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
312.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
313.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
313.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
314.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
316.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
它這個湖標做什麼用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
316.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
319.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
除了水文以外水文一般的船也可以釣 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
320.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
321.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
那為什麼用湖標 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
321.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
325.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
我個人認為它要探這個洋流跟風速對 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
325.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
326.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
無人機母船的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
328 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
330.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
所以各位我們為什麼迫切需要無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
331.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
334.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
所以中國現在的確是迫切需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
334.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
336.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
我們用無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
337.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
338.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
要來在反制 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
338.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
339.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
所以各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
340.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
341.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
我們今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
341.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
342.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
我剛好還 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
342.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
343.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
掛了一個Badge |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
344.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
345.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
上禮拜四 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
346.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
348.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
Estonia的國會議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
348.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
349.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
來訪問本院 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
349.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
351.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
我陪同院長接見 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
352.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
353.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
裡面有國防委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
354.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
357.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
我推測他們是要來推銷無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
358.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
359.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
那麼無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
359.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
361.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
這個在我們軍品 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
361.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
363.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
今天軍品 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
364 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
365.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
嚴當的問題如果是 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
365.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
367.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
賣方市場的 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
367.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
368.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
我不敢講 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
368.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
369.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
但是無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
369.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
373 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
連愛沙尼亞都要來希望爭取商機 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
373.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
375.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
那表示那是買方市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
376 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
377.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
也就是我方有市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
379.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
381.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
郭部長是我在萬國的前輩 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
382.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
385.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
我在萬國接一個第一個案子就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
385.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
386.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
放光群 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
386.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
388.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
創辦人教我的 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
388.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
389.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
Standby LLC |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
390.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
391.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
像這一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
392.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
394.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
國際買賣契約 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
394.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
395.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
軍品買賣契約 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
396.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
399.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
當我們是買方市場的時候我們有折衝力 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
399.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
402 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
我要跟美國買跟愛沙尼亞買 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
402.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
404.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
跟誰買我們有折衝力 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
404.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
406.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
這個在買賣契約可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
407.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
409.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
要求你開擔保信用狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
410.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
412 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
你這個擔保信用狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
412.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
414.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
由出口國的銀行開立 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
414.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
415.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
Standby LLC |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
416.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
417.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
而他們歐洲人 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
418.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
421.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
是用像德國用Dipang guarantee |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
422.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
425.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
Dipang guarantee英文把它翻譯成Bang guarantee |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
428.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
名稱不一樣但是它的法律性質一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
429.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
431.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
經過國內的保對銀行保對 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
432.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
433.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
你履約 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
433.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
434.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
沒有按照契約來 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
435.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
437.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
只要期間到沒有交付 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
437.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
440.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
或是交付的軍品不符合要求 |
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440.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
441.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
我call bank |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
442.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
445.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
call bank 放光群老師教我說 |
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445.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
448.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
這個call bank沒辦法阻止 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
449.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
449.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
銀行付款 |
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450.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
450.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
所以 |
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451.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
453.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
放光群老師跟我講說這是 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
453.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
454.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
sure site bank |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
455.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
455.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
自殺 bank |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
456.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
458.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
也說這筆錢我們一定可以拿回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
459.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
462.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
所以這個時候是軍品的供應商他要很緊張要來起訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
462.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
465.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
拿回這一筆擔保金 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
466.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
471.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
部長您有沒有在國防部裡面把您的專業跟國防部的弟兄來教導 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
474.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
476.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
您這張圖有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
477.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
477.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
479.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
480.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
唯受益人 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
480.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
就是擔保狀的受益人 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
483.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
484.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
國防部是賣方嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
484.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
485.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
買方 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
486.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
488.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
我們是買軍品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
488.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
490.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
所以是擔保狀的受益人 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
492.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
外國的供應商是申請擔保狀之人 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
496.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
497.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
497.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
499.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
我們國防部是受益人 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
499.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
501.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
你只要交的軍品 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
502.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
504.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
有瑕疵不符合標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
504.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
或是 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
505.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
505.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
違約 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
506.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
506.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
慢交 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
507.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
508.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
我們通常都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
509.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
510.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
契約保證 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
510.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
511.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
契約金額的10% |
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512.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
513.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
為擔保金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
514.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
516.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
所以這10%要下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
516.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
519.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
是反而供應商要到台灣來起訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
519.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
520.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
請求還還 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
521.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
522.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
所以這個很好用 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
522.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
525.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
您這個國際貿易上面用擔保信用帳 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
526.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
527.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
當然是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
528.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
529.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
可以考慮的一個案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
531.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
532.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
買方市場的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
532.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
534.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
那我們來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
534.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
536.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
有一些相關的履歷保證金 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
536.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
538.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
可能甚至就直接請他 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
538.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
540.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
存放到那個帳戶裡面去 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
540.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
541.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
那是SQA account |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
541.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
544.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
那個另外一種是有關於賣方市場的商品 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
545.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
547.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
我們買方市場的軍品 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
547.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
548.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
我們可以用這一招 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
549.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
550.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
像無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
550.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
Estrotonia都要急著要來賣給我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
553.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
554.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
所以表示我們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
555.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
556.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
有強勢的買方市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
557.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
559.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
這個時候我們可以跟這些供應商要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
560.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
561.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
用擔保信用帳 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
561.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
用他們的Depunt guarantee |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
563.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
564.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
這樣我們就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
568.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
如期的取得我們所要的無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
568.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
569.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
所以我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
570.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
572.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
有關於如何做這個信用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
572.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
574.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
尤其履歷的擔保 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
574.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
576.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
這個部有很多相關的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
576.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
578.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
我們都會來進行研擬 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
579.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
581.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
拜託部長把您的專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
581.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
583.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
來指導我們國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
583.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
586.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
因為萬國跟履歷都是非常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
586.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
587.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
專精的 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
587.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
590.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
所以不是只有履歷可以提供給各位法律顧問 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
590.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
591.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
萬國其實也可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
591.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
592.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
國防部長就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
593.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
595.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
我們顧部長就是萬國出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
595.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
597.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
我們顧部長就是萬國出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
597.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
599.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
以上跟各位做一個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
599.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
601.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
謝謝部長的回覆 |