| IVOD_ID |
170588 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170588 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
27 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-20T11:07:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-20T11:17:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/09ae2675330bc1e5491efca1d146f455462d4557d658398c4ecbf2277d9178731d216fa11ae63dd35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許忠信 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:07:43 - 11:17:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「國軍軍品採購履約爭議與違約致獲裝期程延宕採購策略精進作為」，並備質詢。） |
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595.58346875 |
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597.79409375 |
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0.979 |
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SPEAKER_02 |
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許委員忠信 |
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598.38471875 |
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601.08471875 |
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0.979 |
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SPEAKER_00 |
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顧部長立雄 |
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601.96221875 |
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602.65409375 |
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0.934 |
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0 |
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3.12 |
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我們有請國防部部長 |
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3.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].end |
4.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].text |
請顧部長 |
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9.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].end |
10.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].text |
部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
13.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
15.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].text |
我要說個事喔 別再假扮 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
17.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
19.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
我們在二次大戰 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
19.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
23.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
末期日本造了一台潛艇 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
23.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
24.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
它是航空母艦 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
25.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
28.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
它準備要潛航到巴拉馬運河 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
28.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
29.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
再浮起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
30.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
31.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
炸掉巴拉馬運河 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
32.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
36.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
後來這個技術變成是一個機密 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
37.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
38.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
我要請問部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
38.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
41.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
我們無人機有沒有航空母艦 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
42.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
43.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
有沒有什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
43.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
44.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
航空母艦 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
44.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
45.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
KUBO |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
45.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
46.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
航空母艦 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
46.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
48.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
無人機有沒有航空母艦 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
48.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
51.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
現在大家會有在發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
51.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
55.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
在這個一個母船上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
55.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
57.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
會有一個無人機的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
58.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
61.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
將這個船做為無人機的一個載台 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
61.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
63.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
那個母船就是Motorship |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
63.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
66.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
我現在秀四張圖給各位看 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
67.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
71.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
第一張圖就是部長上次跟我教導的民船 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
71.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
73.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
民船用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
74 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
76.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
無人機母船Motorship |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
77.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
83.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
那中國現在也發展出專門載無人機的母船 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
84.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
86.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
是ZoomMotorship |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
86.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
87.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
各位看第二張圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
88.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
91.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
有一隻叫做Tiger Killer |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
92.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
94.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
有一隻叫做Philokiller |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
96.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
99 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
這些圖是西方的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
99.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
101.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
他們親自去拍攝到的 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
101.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
103.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
所以它不是用民船而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
104.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
108.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
它也專門替無人機製造母船 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
108.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
112 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
所以我把它稱為無人機航空母艦 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
113.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
115.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
那麼這個佈置在哪裡呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
115.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
118.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
部長請各位看到第三張圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
119.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
121.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
從南海仲裁案 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
122.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
124.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
南海的土地爭議以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
125.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
128.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
中國把這些KillerMotorship |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
129.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
132.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
PhilokillerMotorship等這些無人機母船 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
133.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
137.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
沿著南海九段線來佈置 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
138.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
141.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
這上次部長到本黨團的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
141.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
143.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
我有跟各位報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
144.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
149.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
所以各位你可以看到它用無人機母船搭載無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
150.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
153 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
在守護它南海它的主張 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
154.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
157.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
所以它有很強大的威脅 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
158.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
159.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
那現在我要跟各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
160.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
162 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
跟台灣有什麼關係呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
162.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
163.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
各位看到第四張圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
165.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
167.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
這四張圖是西方的專家 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
168.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
173.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
他們不了解為什麼中國在2019年以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
174.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
177.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
在台灣的東岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
178.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
179.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
的太平洋西岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
180.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
183.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
佈置很多湖標 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
183.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
184.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
波羽 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
185.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
188.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
他們說不知道中國要做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
188.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
190.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
那個湖標做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
191.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
195.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
上次部長到我們本黨團來做報告的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
196.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
197.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
我有跟部長做報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
199.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
202.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
南海因為沒有洋流 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
203.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
206.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
所以這些無人機母船不會被漂走 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
207.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
209.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
所以他們就已經佈置了 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
210.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
212.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
但是太平洋不一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
213.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
215.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
它有很強的洋流 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
216.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
218.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
從赤道往北走 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
218.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
222.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
然後又繞回北美洲往南 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
224.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
225.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
這個洋流 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
226.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
228.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
會把它的無人機母船 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
229.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
230.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
漂走 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
231.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
233.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
因為這個無人機母船沒辦法射毛 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
234.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
236.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
因為太平洋太深 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
236.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
237.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
尤其台灣的東海岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
238.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
239.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
有很深的海溝 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
240.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
241.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
沒辦法射毛 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
241.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
243.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
所以它母船會被漂走 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
244.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
246.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
所以我個人懷疑 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
247.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
252.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
中國在這個地方佈置這麼多紅色點的 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
254.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
254.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
湖標 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
256.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
258.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
應該是要在測洋流 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
259 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
259.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
風速 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
260.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
260.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
261.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
263.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
部長您覺得我這樣看 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
263.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
264.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
267 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
267.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
中國 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
269.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
270.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
包園那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
270.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
271.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
布衣這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
271.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
272.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
這個設置 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
272.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
274.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
布衣這個設置基本上 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
275.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
276.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
它的功能 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
276.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
280.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
會依照使用者他的需求去做界定 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
280.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
281.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
它有分水面的跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
282.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
285.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
半浮的跟水下固定式的 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
285.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
286.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
那我們看到 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
287.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
290 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
如果您顯示出來的這個部分在東海岸 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
290 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
292.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
這是西方的戰略專家他們的圖 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
292.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
296.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
我們還是認為它做水文調查的可能性是比較高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
297.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
299 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
所以這個部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
299 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
302.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
因為水文調查就涉及到它未來海軍武力運用 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
302.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
305.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
所以這個部分收集情資的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
305.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
306.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
我們也一直在掌握當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
307.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
309.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
那當然相關的部分屬於機密的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
309.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
311.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
也不方便在這個地方跟委員做說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
312.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
312.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
313.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
313.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
314.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
316.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
它這個湖標做什麼用途 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
316.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
319.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
除了水文以外水文一般的船也可以釣 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
320.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
321.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
那為什麼用湖標 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
321.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
325.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
我個人認為它要探這個洋流跟風速對 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
325.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
326.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
無人機母船的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
328 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
330.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
所以各位我們為什麼迫切需要無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
331.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
334.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
所以中國現在的確是迫切需要 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
334.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
336.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
我們用無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
337.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
338.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
要來在反制 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
338.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
339.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
所以各位 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
340.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
341.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
我們今天 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
341.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
342.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
我剛好還 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
342.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
343.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
掛了一個Badge |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
344.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
345.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
上禮拜四 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
346.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
348.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
Estonia的國會議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
348.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
349.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
來訪問本院 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
349.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
351.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
我陪同院長接見 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
352.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
353.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
裡面有國防委員的 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
354.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
357.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
我推測他們是要來推銷無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
358.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
359.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
那麼無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
359.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
361.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
這個在我們軍品 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
361.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
363.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
今天軍品 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
364 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
365.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
嚴當的問題如果是 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
365.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
367.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
賣方市場的 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
367.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
368.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
我不敢講 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
368.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
369.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
但是無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
369.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
373 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
連愛沙尼亞都要來希望爭取商機 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
373.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
375.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
那表示那是買方市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
376 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
377.52 |
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也就是我方有市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
379.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
381.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
郭部長是我在萬國的前輩 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
382.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
385.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
我在萬國接一個第一個案子就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
385.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
386.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
放光群 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
386.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
388.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
創辦人教我的 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
388.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
389.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
Standby LLC |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
390.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
391.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
像這一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
392.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
394.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
國際買賣契約 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
394.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
395.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
軍品買賣契約 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
396.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
399.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
當我們是買方市場的時候我們有折衝力 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
399.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
402 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
我要跟美國買跟愛沙尼亞買 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
402.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
404.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
跟誰買我們有折衝力 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
404.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
406.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
這個在買賣契約可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
407.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
409.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
要求你開擔保信用狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
410.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
412 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
你這個擔保信用狀 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
412.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
414.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
由出口國的銀行開立 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
414.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
415.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
Standby LLC |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
416.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
417.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
而他們歐洲人 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
418.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
421.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
是用像德國用Dipang guarantee |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
422.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
425.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
Dipang guarantee英文把它翻譯成Bang guarantee |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
426 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
428.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
名稱不一樣但是它的法律性質一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
429.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
431.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
經過國內的保對銀行保對 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
432.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
433.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
你履約 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
433.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
434.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
沒有按照契約來 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
435.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
437.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
只要期間到沒有交付 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
437.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
440.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
或是交付的軍品不符合要求 |
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440.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
441.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
我call bank |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
442.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
445.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
call bank 放光群老師教我說 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
445.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
448.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
這個call bank沒辦法阻止 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
449.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
449.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
銀行付款 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
450.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
450.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
451.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
453.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
放光群老師跟我講說這是 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
453.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
454.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
sure site bank |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
455.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
455.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
自殺 bank |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
456.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
458.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
也說這筆錢我們一定可以拿回來 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
459.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
462.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
所以這個時候是軍品的供應商他要很緊張要來起訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
462.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
465.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
拿回這一筆擔保金 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
466.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
471.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
部長您有沒有在國防部裡面把您的專業跟國防部的弟兄來教導 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
474.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
476.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
您這張圖有提到 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
477.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
477.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
479.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
480.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
唯受益人 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
480.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
就是擔保狀的受益人 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
483.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
484.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
國防部是賣方嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
484.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
485.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
買方 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
486.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
488.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
我們是買軍品的 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
488.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
490.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
所以是擔保狀的受益人 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
492.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
495 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
外國的供應商是申請擔保狀之人 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
496.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
497.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
497.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
499.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
我們國防部是受益人 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
499.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
501.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
你只要交的軍品 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
502.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
504.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
有瑕疵不符合標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
504.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
或是 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
505.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
505.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
違約 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
506.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
506.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
慢交 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
507.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
508.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
我們通常都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
509.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
510.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
契約保證 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
510.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
511.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
契約金額的10% |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
512.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
513.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
為擔保金額 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
514.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
516.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
所以這10%要下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
516.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
519.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
是反而供應商要到台灣來起訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
519.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
520.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
請求還還 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
521.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
522.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
所以這個很好用 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
522.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
525.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
您這個國際貿易上面用擔保信用帳 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
526.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
527.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
當然是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
528.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
529.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
可以考慮的一個案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
531.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
532.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
買方市場的產品 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
532.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
534.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
那我們來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
534.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
536.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
有一些相關的履歷保證金 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
536.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
538.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
可能甚至就直接請他 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
538.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
540.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
存放到那個帳戶裡面去 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
540.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
541.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
那是SQA account |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
541.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
544.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
那個另外一種是有關於賣方市場的商品 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
545.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
547.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
我們買方市場的軍品 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
547.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
548.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
我們可以用這一招 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
549.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
550.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
像無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
550.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
Estrotonia都要急著要來賣給我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
553.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
554.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
所以表示我們是 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
555.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
556.92 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
有強勢的買方市場 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
557.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
559.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
這個時候我們可以跟這些供應商要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
560.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
561.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
用擔保信用帳 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
561.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
用他們的Depunt guarantee |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
563.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
564.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
這樣我們就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
568.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
如期的取得我們所要的無人機 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
568.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
569.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
所以我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
570.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
572.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
有關於如何做這個信用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
572.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
574.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
尤其履歷的擔保 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
574.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
576.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
這個部有很多相關的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
576.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
578.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
我們都會來進行研擬 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
579.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
581.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
拜託部長把您的專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
581.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
583.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
來指導我們國防部 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
583.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
586.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
因為萬國跟履歷都是非常的 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
586.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
587.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
專精的 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
587.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
590.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
所以不是只有履歷可以提供給各位法律顧問 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
590.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
591.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
萬國其實也可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
591.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
592.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
國防部長就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
593.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
595.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
我們顧部長就是萬國出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
595.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
597.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
我們顧部長就是萬國出來的 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
597.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
599.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
以上跟各位做一個報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
599.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
601.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
謝謝部長的回覆 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-07-20T11:07:43.693333+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-07-20T11:07:45.773333+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，有請國防部顧部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-07-20T11:07:46.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-07-20T11:07:47.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
請顧部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-07-20T11:07:52.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-07-20T11:07:53.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
部長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-07-20T11:07:53.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-07-20T11:07:57.158571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
許委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-07-20T11:07:57.158571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-07-20T11:08:00.957143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
我喜歡講故事，這樣媒體才會幫我報導。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.188 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-07-20T11:08:00.957143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-07-20T11:08:14.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
在二次大戰末期，日本造了一台潛艇，它是航空母艦，準備潛航到巴拿馬運河再浮起來炸掉巴拿馬運河。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-07-20T11:08:15.580000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-07-20T11:08:24.078333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
後來這個技術變成一個機密，我要請問部長，我們的無人機有沒有航空母艦？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-07-20T11:08:25.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-07-20T11:08:26.392000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
有沒有什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-07-20T11:08:26.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-07-20T11:08:31.062000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
航空母艦（くうぼ），無人機有沒有航空母艦？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-07-20T11:08:31.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-07-20T11:08:43.691429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
現在大家是發展在一個母船上面……將這個船作為無人機的載台。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-07-20T11:08:44.333333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-07-20T11:08:48.930909+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
母船就是mother ship，我現在show四張圖給各位看。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-07-20T11:08:50.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-07-20T11:09:34.734286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
第一張圖就是部長上次教導我的民船，是民船用的無人機母船（mother ship），中國現在也發展出專門搭載無人機的母船（drone mother ship），各位看第二張圖，其中一隻叫做Tiger Killer，一隻叫做Whale Killer，這些圖是西方專家親自拍攝到的，所以並不是只用民船而已，它還專門替無人機製造母船，因此我把它稱為無人機航空母艦。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.855 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-07-20T11:09:36.912000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-07-20T11:09:38.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
這個布置在哪裡呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-07-20T11:09:38.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-07-20T11:10:06.514286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
請部長看到第三張圖，從南海仲裁案南海土地增益以後，中國把這些killer mother ship、whale mother ship等無人機母船沿著南海的九段線在布置，這是上次部長到本黨團時，我有跟各位報告的。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-07-20T11:10:07.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-07-20T11:10:19.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
所以各位可以看到，它用無人機母船搭載無人機，在守護它在南海的主張，所以它有很強大的威脅。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-07-20T11:10:21.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-07-20T11:10:50.833333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
現在我要跟各位講，這跟臺灣有什麼關係，各位看到第四張圖，這四張圖是西方的專家不了解為什麼中國在2019年以後，要在臺灣東岸（太平洋西岸）布置很多浮標（buoy），他們說不知道中國要做什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.887 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-07-20T11:10:51.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-07-20T11:10:52.828571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
那個浮標要做什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-07-20T11:10:54.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-07-20T11:11:12.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
上次部長到本黨團來報告的時候，我也跟部長報告，南海因為沒有洋流，所以這些無人機母船不會漂走，於是他們就已經布置了。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-07-20T11:11:13.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-07-20T11:11:46.142222+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
但是太平洋不一樣，它有很強的洋流，從赤道往北走，又繞回北美洲往南，這個洋流會讓它的無人機母船漂走，因為這個無人機母船沒辦法設錨，畢竟太平洋太深，尤其是臺灣的東海岸有很深的海溝所以沒辦法設錨，因此它的母船會漂走。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-07-20T11:11:47.788571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-07-20T11:12:10.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
我個人懷疑中國在這個地方布置這麼多紅色點的浮標應該是在測洋流、風速等等，部長覺得我這樣看有沒有可能？中國…… |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.959 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
黃司長文啓 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-07-20T11:12:16.088889+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-07-20T11:12:32.815000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
報告委員，有關buoy這個設置，基本上它的功能會依照使用者的需求去界定，它有分水面的、半浮的跟水下固定式的，我們看到您顯示出來的這個部分在東海岸…… |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.851 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-07-20T11:12:33+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-07-20T11:12:35.067692+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
這是西方戰略專家提供的圖。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
黃司長文啓 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-07-20T11:12:35.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-07-20T11:12:54.485333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
我們還是認為它用來做水文調查的可能性是比較高的，因為水文調查會涉及到它未來海軍武力的運用，所以有關蒐集情資的部分，我們也一直在掌握當中，當然屬於機密的部分也不方便在這個地方跟委員說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-07-20T11:12:55.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-07-20T11:13:04.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
了解，所以這個浮標是作什麼用途，除了水文以外，一般的船也可以調查水文，但為什麼要用浮標？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.744 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-07-20T11:13:04.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-07-20T11:13:20.928000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
我個人認為它要探測洋流跟風速對無人機母船的影響，所以各位，這就是我們為什麼迫切需要無人機的原因，我們現在的確迫切需要用無人機反制中國。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.825 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-07-20T11:13:21.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-07-20T11:13:39.833846+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
所以各位，我今天剛好還掛了一個badge，上禮拜四Estonia的國會議員來訪問本院，我陪同院長接見，裡面就有國防委員，我推測他們是要來推銷無人機的。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-07-20T11:13:41.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-07-20T11:14:00.330000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
無人機在今天軍品延宕的問題上，如果是賣方市場的話，我不敢講，但是無人機連愛沙尼亞都要來，希望能爭取商機，那就表示那是買方市場，也就是我方有市場。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.908 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-07-20T11:14:03.069091+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-07-20T11:14:12.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
顧部長是我在萬國的前輩，我在萬國接到的第一個案子就是范光群創辦人教我的Stand-By L/C。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-07-20T11:14:13.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-07-20T11:14:51.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
像這種國際軍品的買賣契約，當我們是買方市場的時候，我們就有折衝力，不論是我跟美國買還是跟愛沙尼亞買，還是跟誰買，我們都有折衝力，這個在買賣契約上可以要求對方開擔保信用狀，這個擔保信用狀是由出口國的銀行開立Stand-By L/C，而他們歐洲人像德國是用die Bankgarantie，這翻譯成英文就是bank guarantee，名稱不一樣，但是它的法律性質一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-07-20T11:14:52.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-07-20T11:15:04.537778+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
經過國內的保兌銀行保兌，當他履約沒有按照契約來，只要期間到沒有交付，或是交付的軍品不符合要求，我call bond。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-07-20T11:15:07.315000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-07-20T11:15:21.448571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
范光群老師教我，這個call bond，沒辦法阻止銀行付款，所以范光群老師跟我講，這是suicide（自殺）bond，也就是這筆錢我們一定可以拿回來。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-07-20T11:15:22.120000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-07-20T11:15:27.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
所以這個時候是軍品的供應商要很緊張，要來起訴拿回這一筆擔保金。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-07-20T11:15:29.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-07-20T11:15:33.841481+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
部長，您有沒有在國防部裡面把您的專業教導國防部的弟兄？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-07-20T11:15:37.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-07-20T11:15:40.546667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
您這張圖提到國防部…… |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-07-20T11:15:40.546667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-07-20T11:15:42.380000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
為受益人…… |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-07-20T11:15:42.380000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-07-20T11:15:42.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
為受益人…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-07-20T11:15:43.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-07-20T11:15:44.831111+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
就是擔保狀的受益人。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-07-20T11:15:46.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-07-20T11:15:47.445714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
國防部是賣方嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-07-20T11:15:47.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
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買方，我們是買軍品的，所以是擔保狀的受益人，而外國的供應商是申請擔保狀之人。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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我們國防部是受益人，只要他交的軍品有瑕疵、不符合標準，或是違約、遲交，我們通常都是契約金額的10%為擔保金額，這10%要下來，反而是供應商要到臺灣來起訴請求返還，所以這個很好用！ |
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顧部長立雄 |
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您這個國際貿易上面用擔保信用狀的案例當然是可以考慮的，但是…… |
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許委員忠信 |
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買方市場的產品。 |
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1 |
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顧部長立雄 |
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就我們來講的話，相關的履約保證金，可能甚至就直接請他存放到那個帳戶裡面去。 |
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許委員忠信 |
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那是escrow account，是有關於賣方市場的商品，我們買方市場的軍品可以用這一招，像無人機，Estonia都急著要來賣給我們，表示我們是有強勢的買方市場，這個時候我們可以跟這些供應商要求用擔保信用狀，用他們的Die Bankgarantie，這樣我們就可以如期取得我們所要的無人機。 |
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| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
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2026-07-20T11:17:13.040000+08:00 |
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有關於如何做這個信用部分，尤其履約的擔保，有很多相關的機制，我們都會來進行研擬。 |
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| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
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2026-07-20T11:17:22.360000+08:00 |
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2026-07-20T11:17:40.793333+08:00 |
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拜託部長把您的專業指導我們國防部，因為萬國和理律都是非常專精的，所以不是只有理律可以提供各位法律顧問，萬國其實也可以，我們國防部顧部長就是萬國出來的。 |
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0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
許委員忠信 |
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2026-07-20T11:17:40.960000+08:00 |
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以上跟各位做一個報告，謝謝部長的回復。謝謝。 |
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主席 |
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1 |
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謝謝許委員。 |
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主席 |
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1 |
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接下來請謝龍介委員上臺質詢。 |
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許委員忠信：（11時7分）謝謝主席，有請國防部顧部長。 |
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主席：請顧部長。 |
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許委員忠信：部長好。 |
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顧部長立雄：許委員好。 |
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許委員忠信：我喜歡講故事，這樣媒體才會幫我報導。在二次大戰末期，日本造了一台潛艇，它是航空母艦，準備潛航到巴拿馬運河再浮起來炸掉巴拿馬運河。後來這個技術變成一個機密，我要請問部長，我們的無人機有沒有航空母艦？ |
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顧部長立雄：有沒有什麼？ |
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許委員忠信：航空母艦（くうぼ），無人機有沒有航空母艦？ |
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顧部長立雄：現在大家是發展在一個母船上面……將這個船作為無人機的載台。 |
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許委員忠信：母船就是mother ship，我現在show四張圖給各位看。第一張圖就是部長上次教導我的民船，是民船用的無人機母船（mother ship），中國現在也發展出專門搭載無人機的母船（drone mother ship），各位看第二張圖，其中一隻叫做Tiger Killer，一隻叫做Whale Killer，這些圖是西方專家親自拍攝到的，所以並不是只用民船而已，它還專門替無人機製造母船，因此我把它稱為無人機航空母艦。 |
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這個布置在哪裡呢？請部長看到第三張圖，從南海仲裁案南海土地增益以後，中國把這些killer mother ship、whale mother ship等無人機母船沿著南海的九段線在布置，這是上次部長到本黨團時，我有跟各位報告的。所以各位可以看到，它用無人機母船搭載無人機，在守護它在南海的主張，所以它有很強大的威脅。 |
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現在我要跟各位講，這跟臺灣有什麼關係，各位看到第四張圖，這四張圖是西方的專家不了解為什麼中國在2019年以後，要在臺灣東岸（太平洋西岸）布置很多浮標（buoy），他們說不知道中國要做什麼？那個浮標要做什麼？上次部長到本黨團來報告的時候，我也跟部長報告，南海因為沒有洋流，所以這些無人機母船不會漂走，於是他們就已經布置了。但是太平洋不一樣，它有很強的洋流，從赤道往北走，又繞回北美洲往南，這個洋流會讓它的無人機母船漂走，因為這個無人機母船沒辦法設錨，畢竟太平洋太深，尤其是臺灣的東海岸有很深的海溝所以沒辦法設錨，因此它的母船會漂走。我個人懷疑中國在這個地方布置這麼多紅色點的浮標應該是在測洋流、風速等等，部長覺得我這樣看有沒有可能？ |
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顧部長立雄：中國…… |
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黃司長文啓：報告委員，有關buoy這個設置，基本上它的功能會依照使用者的需求去界定，它有分水面的、半浮的跟水下固定式的，我們看到您顯示出來的這個部分在東海岸…… |
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許委員忠信：這是西方戰略專家提供的圖。 |
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黃司長文啓：我們還是認為它用來做水文調查的可能性是比較高的，因為水文調查會涉及到它未來海軍武力的運用，所以有關蒐集情資的部分，我們也一直在掌握當中，當然屬於機密的部分也不方便在這個地方跟委員說明。 |
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許委員忠信：了解，所以這個浮標是作什麼用途，除了水文以外，一般的船也可以調查水文，但為什麼要用浮標？我個人認為它要探測洋流跟風速對無人機母船的影響，所以各位，這就是我們為什麼迫切需要無人機的原因，我們現在的確迫切需要用無人機反制中國。 |
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所以各位，我今天剛好還掛了一個badge，上禮拜四Estonia的國會議員來訪問本院，我陪同院長接見，裡面就有國防委員，我推測他們是要來推銷無人機的。無人機在今天軍品延宕的問題上，如果是賣方市場的話，我不敢講，但是無人機連愛沙尼亞都要來，希望能爭取商機，那就表示那是買方市場，也就是我方有市場。 |
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顧部長是我在萬國的前輩，我在萬國接到的第一個案子就是范光群創辦人教我的Stand-By L/C。像這種國際軍品的買賣契約，當我們是買方市場的時候，我們就有折衝力，不論是我跟美國買還是跟愛沙尼亞買，還是跟誰買，我們都有折衝力，這個在買賣契約上可以要求對方開擔保信用狀，這個擔保信用狀是由出口國的銀行開立Stand-By L/C，而他們歐洲人像德國是用die Bankgarantie，這翻譯成英文就是bank guarantee，名稱不一樣，但是它的法律性質一樣。經過國內的保兌銀行保兌，當他履約沒有按照契約來，只要期間到沒有交付，或是交付的軍品不符合要求，我call bond。范光群老師教我，這個call bond，沒辦法阻止銀行付款，所以范光群老師跟我講，這是suicide（自殺）bond，也就是這筆錢我們一定可以拿回來。所以這個時候是軍品的供應商要很緊張，要來起訴拿回這一筆擔保金。 |
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部長，您有沒有在國防部裡面把您的專業教導國防部的弟兄？ |
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顧部長立雄：您這張圖提到國防部…… |
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許委員忠信：為受益人…… |
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顧部長立雄：為受益人…… |
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許委員忠信：就是擔保狀的受益人。 |
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顧部長立雄：國防部是賣方嗎？ |
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許委員忠信：買方，我們是買軍品的，所以是擔保狀的受益人，而外國的供應商是申請擔保狀之人。我們國防部是受益人，只要他交的軍品有瑕疵、不符合標準，或是違約、遲交，我們通常都是契約金額的10%為擔保金額，這10%要下來，反而是供應商要到臺灣來起訴請求返還，所以這個很好用！ |
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顧部長立雄：您這個國際貿易上面用擔保信用狀的案例當然是可以考慮的，但是…… |
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許委員忠信：買方市場的產品。 |
| gazette.blocks[22][0] |
顧部長立雄：就我們來講的話，相關的履約保證金，可能甚至就直接請他存放到那個帳戶裡面去。 |
| gazette.blocks[23][0] |
許委員忠信：那是escrow account，是有關於賣方市場的商品，我們買方市場的軍品可以用這一招，像無人機，Estonia都急著要來賣給我們，表示我們是有強勢的買方市場，這個時候我們可以跟這些供應商要求用擔保信用狀，用他們的Die Bankgarantie，這樣我們就可以如期取得我們所要的無人機。 |
| gazette.blocks[24][0] |
顧部長立雄：有關於如何做這個信用部分，尤其履約的擔保，有很多相關的機制，我們都會來進行研擬。 |
| gazette.blocks[25][0] |
許委員忠信：拜託部長把您的專業指導我們國防部，因為萬國和理律都是非常專精的，所以不是只有理律可以提供各位法律顧問，萬國其實也可以，我們國防部顧部長就是萬國出來的。以上跟各位做一個報告，謝謝部長的回復。 |
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顧部長立雄：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝許委員。 |
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接下來請謝龍介委員上臺質詢。 |
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386 |
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委員會-11-5-35-27 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
馬文君 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
羅美玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
陳俊宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
陳永康 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
王義川 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
林楚茵 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
沈伯洋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
馬文君 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
王安祥 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
黃建賓 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
許忠信 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
謝龍介 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
郭昱晴 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
洪毓祥 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
徐巧芯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
黃仁 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
王定宇 |
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325 |
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2026-07-20 |
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1156401 |
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立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「國軍軍品採購履約爭議與違約致獲裝期程延宕採購策略精進作
為」，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1156401_00005 |