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許忠信 @ 第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:03,120 | 我們有請國防部部長 |
| 00:00:03,200 | 00:00:04,400 | 請顧部長 |
| 00:00:09,640 | 00:00:10,720 | 部長好 |
| 00:00:13,140 | 00:00:15,860 | 我要說個事喔 別再假扮 |
| 00:00:17,340 | 00:00:19,500 | 我們在二次大戰 |
| 00:00:19,620 | 00:00:23,360 | 末期日本造了一台潛艇 |
| 00:00:23,360 | 00:00:24,700 | 它是航空母艦 |
| 00:00:25,100 | 00:00:28,640 | 它準備要潛航到巴拉馬運河 |
| 00:00:28,640 | 00:00:29,960 | 再浮起來 |
| 00:00:30,320 | 00:00:31,720 | 炸掉巴拉馬運河 |
| 00:00:32,580 | 00:00:36,040 | 後來這個技術變成是一個機密 |
| 00:00:37,240 | 00:00:38,640 | 我要請問部長 |
| 00:00:38,640 | 00:00:41,300 | 我們無人機有沒有航空母艦 |
| 00:00:42,720 | 00:00:43,560 | 有沒有什麼 |
| 00:00:43,560 | 00:00:44,920 | 航空母艦 |
| 00:00:44,920 | 00:00:45,820 | KUBO |
| 00:00:45,820 | 00:00:46,460 | 航空母艦 |
| 00:00:46,460 | 00:00:48,240 | 無人機有沒有航空母艦 |
| 00:00:48,800 | 00:00:51,840 | 現在大家會有在發展 |
| 00:00:51,840 | 00:00:55,760 | 在這個一個母船上面 |
| 00:00:55,760 | 00:00:57,960 | 會有一個無人機的一個 |
| 00:00:58,600 | 00:01:01,040 | 將這個船做為無人機的一個載台 |
| 00:01:01,040 | 00:01:03,240 | 那個母船就是Motorship |
| 00:01:03,240 | 00:01:06,200 | 我現在秀四張圖給各位看 |
| 00:01:07,520 | 00:01:11,360 | 第一張圖就是部長上次跟我教導的民船 |
| 00:01:11,760 | 00:01:13,320 | 民船用的 |
| 00:01:14,000 | 00:01:16,400 | 無人機母船Motorship |
| 00:01:17,840 | 00:01:23,320 | 那中國現在也發展出專門載無人機的母船 |
| 00:01:24,280 | 00:01:26,280 | 是ZoomMotorship |
| 00:01:26,280 | 00:01:27,840 | 各位看第二張圖 |
| 00:01:28,800 | 00:01:31,600 | 有一隻叫做Tiger Killer |
| 00:01:32,360 | 00:01:34,960 | 有一隻叫做Philokiller |
| 00:01:36,039 | 00:01:39,000 | 這些圖是西方的專家 |
| 00:01:39,559 | 00:01:41,080 | 他們親自去拍攝到的 |
| 00:01:41,839 | 00:01:43,600 | 所以它不是用民船而已 |
| 00:01:44,399 | 00:01:48,039 | 它也專門替無人機製造母船 |
| 00:01:48,280 | 00:01:52,000 | 所以我把它稱為無人機航空母艦 |
| 00:01:53,560 | 00:01:55,320 | 那麼這個佈置在哪裡呢 |
| 00:01:55,960 | 00:01:58,559 | 部長請各位看到第三張圖 |
| 00:01:59,800 | 00:02:01,880 | 從南海仲裁案 |
| 00:02:02,320 | 00:02:04,080 | 南海的土地爭議以後 |
| 00:02:05,080 | 00:02:08,959 | 中國把這些KillerMotorship |
| 00:02:09,759 | 00:02:12,880 | PhilokillerMotorship等這些無人機母船 |
| 00:02:13,799 | 00:02:17,160 | 沿著南海九段線來佈置 |
| 00:02:18,799 | 00:02:21,799 | 這上次部長到本黨團的時候 |
| 00:02:21,799 | 00:02:23,799 | 我有跟各位報告 |
| 00:02:24,800 | 00:02:29,600 | 所以各位你可以看到它用無人機母船搭載無人機 |
| 00:02:30,680 | 00:02:33,000 | 在守護它南海它的主張 |
| 00:02:34,280 | 00:02:37,080 | 所以它有很強大的威脅 |
| 00:02:38,320 | 00:02:39,840 | 那現在我要跟各位 |
| 00:02:40,320 | 00:02:42,000 | 跟台灣有什麼關係呢 |
| 00:02:42,280 | 00:02:43,800 | 各位看到第四張圖 |
| 00:02:45,080 | 00:02:47,800 | 這四張圖是西方的專家 |
| 00:02:48,760 | 00:02:53,280 | 他們不了解為什麼中國在2019年以後 |
| 00:02:54,200 | 00:02:57,640 | 在台灣的東岸 |
| 00:02:58,280 | 00:02:59,800 | 的太平洋西岸 |
| 00:03:00,800 | 00:03:03,560 | 佈置很多湖標 |
| 00:03:03,800 | 00:03:04,320 | 波羽 |
| 00:03:05,560 | 00:03:08,040 | 他們說不知道中國要做什麼 |
| 00:03:08,560 | 00:03:10,040 | 那個湖標做什麼 |
| 00:03:11,320 | 00:03:15,800 | 上次部長到我們本黨團來做報告的時候 |
| 00:03:16,160 | 00:03:17,800 | 我有跟部長做報告 |
| 00:03:19,960 | 00:03:22,560 | 南海因為沒有洋流 |
| 00:03:23,320 | 00:03:26,480 | 所以這些無人機母船不會被漂走 |
| 00:03:27,680 | 00:03:29,480 | 所以他們就已經佈置了 |
| 00:03:30,560 | 00:03:32,920 | 但是太平洋不一樣 |
| 00:03:33,920 | 00:03:35,520 | 它有很強的洋流 |
| 00:03:36,520 | 00:03:38,080 | 從赤道往北走 |
| 00:03:38,560 | 00:03:42,400 | 然後又繞回北美洲往南 |
| 00:03:44,080 | 00:03:45,280 | 這個洋流 |
| 00:03:46,240 | 00:03:48,720 | 會把它的無人機母船 |
| 00:03:49,640 | 00:03:50,160 | 漂走 |
| 00:03:51,160 | 00:03:53,760 | 因為這個無人機母船沒辦法射毛 |
| 00:03:54,799 | 00:03:56,320 | 因為太平洋太深 |
| 00:03:56,440 | 00:03:57,880 | 尤其台灣的東海岸 |
| 00:03:58,680 | 00:03:59,600 | 有很深的海溝 |
| 00:04:00,160 | 00:04:01,120 | 沒辦法射毛 |
| 00:04:01,720 | 00:04:03,320 | 所以它母船會被漂走 |
| 00:04:04,160 | 00:04:06,359 | 所以我個人懷疑 |
| 00:04:07,760 | 00:04:12,320 | 中國在這個地方佈置這麼多紅色點的 |
| 00:04:14,320 | 00:04:14,760 | 湖標 |
| 00:04:16,360 | 00:04:18,079 | 應該是要在測洋流 |
| 00:04:19,000 | 00:04:19,560 | 風速 |
| 00:04:20,359 | 00:04:20,719 | 等等 |
| 00:04:21,560 | 00:04:23,120 | 部長您覺得我這樣看 |
| 00:04:23,599 | 00:04:24,200 | 有沒有可能 |
| 00:04:27,000 | 00:04:27,400 | 中國 |
| 00:04:29,560 | 00:04:30,120 | 包園那個 |
| 00:04:30,479 | 00:04:31,080 | 布衣這個 |
| 00:04:31,400 | 00:04:32,599 | 這個設置 |
| 00:04:32,599 | 00:04:34,799 | 布衣這個設置基本上 |
| 00:04:35,240 | 00:04:36,280 | 它的功能 |
| 00:04:36,680 | 00:04:40,159 | 會依照使用者他的需求去做界定 |
| 00:04:40,159 | 00:04:41,520 | 它有分水面的跟 |
| 00:04:42,240 | 00:04:45,080 | 半浮的跟水下固定式的 |
| 00:04:45,400 | 00:04:46,760 | 那我們看到 |
| 00:04:47,039 | 00:04:50,000 | 如果您顯示出來的這個部分在東海岸 |
| 00:04:50,000 | 00:04:52,240 | 這是西方的戰略專家他們的圖 |
| 00:04:52,240 | 00:04:56,680 | 我們還是認為它做水文調查的可能性是比較高的 |
| 00:04:57,440 | 00:04:59,000 | 所以這個部分的話 |
| 00:04:59,000 | 00:05:02,480 | 因為水文調查就涉及到它未來海軍武力運用 |
| 00:05:02,920 | 00:05:05,200 | 所以這個部分收集情資的部分 |
| 00:05:05,200 | 00:05:06,960 | 我們也一直在掌握當中 |
| 00:05:07,080 | 00:05:09,320 | 那當然相關的部分屬於機密的部分 |
| 00:05:09,320 | 00:05:11,640 | 也不方便在這個地方跟委員做說明 |
| 00:05:12,080 | 00:05:12,480 | 了解 |
| 00:05:13,080 | 00:05:13,520 | 所以 |
| 00:05:14,159 | 00:05:16,280 | 它這個湖標做什麼用途 |
| 00:05:16,840 | 00:05:19,400 | 除了水文以外水文一般的船也可以釣 |
| 00:05:20,120 | 00:05:21,240 | 那為什麼用湖標 |
| 00:05:21,520 | 00:05:25,159 | 我個人認為它要探這個洋流跟風速對 |
| 00:05:25,680 | 00:05:26,960 | 無人機母船的影響 |
| 00:05:28,000 | 00:05:30,800 | 所以各位我們為什麼迫切需要無人機 |
| 00:05:31,880 | 00:05:34,360 | 所以中國現在的確是迫切需要 |
| 00:05:34,880 | 00:05:36,280 | 我們用無人機 |
| 00:05:37,159 | 00:05:38,120 | 要來在反制 |
| 00:05:38,920 | 00:05:39,560 | 所以各位 |
| 00:05:40,320 | 00:05:41,440 | 我們今天 |
| 00:05:41,800 | 00:05:42,599 | 我剛好還 |
| 00:05:42,920 | 00:05:43,760 | 掛了一個Badge |
| 00:05:44,560 | 00:05:45,440 | 上禮拜四 |
| 00:05:46,440 | 00:05:48,120 | Estonia的國會議員 |
| 00:05:48,560 | 00:05:49,600 | 來訪問本院 |
| 00:05:49,840 | 00:05:51,840 | 我陪同院長接見 |
| 00:05:52,080 | 00:05:53,440 | 裡面有國防委員的 |
| 00:05:54,360 | 00:05:57,040 | 我推測他們是要來推銷無人機 |
| 00:05:58,240 | 00:05:59,400 | 那麼無人機 |
| 00:05:59,880 | 00:06:01,480 | 這個在我們軍品 |
| 00:06:01,800 | 00:06:03,520 | 今天軍品 |
| 00:06:04,000 | 00:06:05,480 | 嚴當的問題如果是 |
| 00:06:05,720 | 00:06:07,080 | 賣方市場的 |
| 00:06:07,360 | 00:06:08,080 | 我不敢講 |
| 00:06:08,560 | 00:06:09,480 | 但是無人機 |
| 00:06:09,880 | 00:06:13,000 | 連愛沙尼亞都要來希望爭取商機 |
| 00:06:13,760 | 00:06:15,360 | 那表示那是買方市場 |
| 00:06:16,000 | 00:06:17,520 | 也就是我方有市場 |
| 00:06:19,880 | 00:06:21,960 | 郭部長是我在萬國的前輩 |
| 00:06:22,840 | 00:06:25,320 | 我在萬國接一個第一個案子就是 |
| 00:06:25,480 | 00:06:26,320 | 放光群 |
| 00:06:26,960 | 00:06:28,320 | 創辦人教我的 |
| 00:06:28,880 | 00:06:29,880 | Standby LLC |
| 00:06:30,840 | 00:06:31,640 | 像這一種 |
| 00:06:32,800 | 00:06:34,280 | 國際買賣契約 |
| 00:06:34,640 | 00:06:35,520 | 軍品買賣契約 |
| 00:06:36,280 | 00:06:39,200 | 當我們是買方市場的時候我們有折衝力 |
| 00:06:39,760 | 00:06:42,000 | 我要跟美國買跟愛沙尼亞買 |
| 00:06:42,360 | 00:06:44,320 | 跟誰買我們有折衝力 |
| 00:06:44,880 | 00:06:46,440 | 這個在買賣契約可以 |
| 00:06:47,280 | 00:06:49,440 | 要求你開擔保信用狀 |
| 00:06:50,360 | 00:06:52,000 | 你這個擔保信用狀 |
| 00:06:52,480 | 00:06:54,159 | 由出口國的銀行開立 |
| 00:06:54,719 | 00:06:55,719 | Standby LLC |
| 00:06:56,440 | 00:06:57,800 | 而他們歐洲人 |
| 00:06:58,920 | 00:07:01,600 | 是用像德國用Dipang guarantee |
| 00:07:02,320 | 00:07:05,240 | Dipang guarantee英文把它翻譯成Bang guarantee |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:08,400 | 名稱不一樣但是它的法律性質一樣 |
| 00:07:09,280 | 00:07:11,640 | 經過國內的保對銀行保對 |
| 00:07:12,479 | 00:07:13,599 | 你履約 |
| 00:07:13,880 | 00:07:14,919 | 沒有按照契約來 |
| 00:07:15,360 | 00:07:17,440 | 只要期間到沒有交付 |
| 00:07:17,719 | 00:07:20,200 | 或是交付的軍品不符合要求 |
| 00:07:20,760 | 00:07:21,760 | 我call bank |
| 00:07:22,919 | 00:07:25,400 | call bank 放光群老師教我說 |
| 00:07:25,919 | 00:07:28,680 | 這個call bank沒辦法阻止 |
| 00:07:29,120 | 00:07:29,919 | 銀行付款 |
| 00:07:30,360 | 00:07:30,880 | 所以 |
| 00:07:31,599 | 00:07:33,360 | 放光群老師跟我講說這是 |
| 00:07:33,800 | 00:07:34,800 | sure site bank |
| 00:07:35,200 | 00:07:35,840 | 自殺 bank |
| 00:07:36,479 | 00:07:38,599 | 也說這筆錢我們一定可以拿回來 |
| 00:07:39,120 | 00:07:42,680 | 所以這個時候是軍品的供應商他要很緊張要來起訴 |
| 00:07:42,960 | 00:07:45,200 | 拿回這一筆擔保金 |
| 00:07:46,480 | 00:07:51,600 | 部長您有沒有在國防部裡面把您的專業跟國防部的弟兄來教導 |
| 00:07:54,360 | 00:07:56,280 | 您這張圖有提到 |
| 00:07:57,040 | 00:07:57,800 | 國防部 |
| 00:07:59,080 | 00:08:00,280 | 唯受益人 |
| 00:08:00,480 | 00:08:02,000 | 就是擔保狀的受益人 |
| 00:08:03,040 | 00:08:04,680 | 國防部是賣方嗎 |
| 00:08:04,840 | 00:08:05,440 | 買方 |
| 00:08:06,400 | 00:08:08,200 | 我們是買軍品的 |
| 00:08:08,440 | 00:08:10,200 | 所以是擔保狀的受益人 |
| 00:08:12,200 | 00:08:15,000 | 外國的供應商是申請擔保狀之人 |
| 00:08:16,160 | 00:08:17,160 | 所以 |
| 00:08:17,800 | 00:08:19,480 | 我們國防部是受益人 |
| 00:08:19,680 | 00:08:21,160 | 你只要交的軍品 |
| 00:08:22,440 | 00:08:24,159 | 有瑕疵不符合標準 |
| 00:08:24,560 | 00:08:25,000 | 或是 |
| 00:08:25,240 | 00:08:25,760 | 違約 |
| 00:08:26,320 | 00:08:26,840 | 慢交 |
| 00:08:27,440 | 00:08:28,640 | 我們通常都是 |
| 00:08:29,400 | 00:08:30,440 | 契約保證 |
| 00:08:30,600 | 00:08:31,920 | 契約金額的10% |
| 00:08:32,600 | 00:08:33,880 | 為擔保金額 |
| 00:08:34,720 | 00:08:36,520 | 所以這10%要下來 |
| 00:08:36,919 | 00:08:39,240 | 是反而供應商要到台灣來起訴 |
| 00:08:39,679 | 00:08:40,600 | 請求還還 |
| 00:08:41,320 | 00:08:42,400 | 所以這個很好用 |
| 00:08:42,600 | 00:08:45,920 | 您這個國際貿易上面用擔保信用帳 |
| 00:08:46,160 | 00:08:47,320 | 當然是一個 |
| 00:08:48,040 | 00:08:49,800 | 可以考慮的一個案例 |
| 00:08:51,400 | 00:08:52,600 | 買方市場的產品 |
| 00:08:52,840 | 00:08:54,240 | 那我們來講的話 |
| 00:08:54,400 | 00:08:56,160 | 有一些相關的履歷保證金 |
| 00:08:56,280 | 00:08:58,160 | 可能甚至就直接請他 |
| 00:08:58,400 | 00:09:00,200 | 存放到那個帳戶裡面去 |
| 00:09:00,200 | 00:09:01,040 | 那是SQA account |
| 00:09:01,560 | 00:09:04,839 | 那個另外一種是有關於賣方市場的商品 |
| 00:09:05,240 | 00:09:07,480 | 我們買方市場的軍品 |
| 00:09:07,719 | 00:09:08,760 | 我們可以用這一招 |
| 00:09:09,240 | 00:09:10,040 | 像無人機 |
| 00:09:10,719 | 00:09:13,000 | Estrotonia都要急著要來賣給我們 |
| 00:09:13,360 | 00:09:14,640 | 所以表示我們是 |
| 00:09:15,079 | 00:09:16,920 | 有強勢的買方市場 |
| 00:09:17,360 | 00:09:19,839 | 這個時候我們可以跟這些供應商要求 |
| 00:09:20,160 | 00:09:21,120 | 用擔保信用帳 |
| 00:09:21,520 | 00:09:23,000 | 用他們的Depunt guarantee |
| 00:09:23,800 | 00:09:24,800 | 這樣我們就可以 |
| 00:09:25,000 | 00:09:28,040 | 如期的取得我們所要的無人機 |
| 00:09:28,040 | 00:09:29,040 | 所以我想 |
| 00:09:30,040 | 00:09:32,560 | 有關於如何做這個信用的 |
| 00:09:32,959 | 00:09:34,360 | 尤其履歷的擔保 |
| 00:09:34,360 | 00:09:36,360 | 這個部有很多相關的機制 |
| 00:09:36,360 | 00:09:38,360 | 我們都會來進行研擬 |
| 00:09:39,360 | 00:09:41,360 | 拜託部長把您的專業 |
| 00:09:41,880 | 00:09:43,400 | 來指導我們國防部 |
| 00:09:43,640 | 00:09:46,640 | 因為萬國跟履歷都是非常的 |
| 00:09:46,959 | 00:09:47,959 | 專精的 |
| 00:09:47,959 | 00:09:50,959 | 所以不是只有履歷可以提供給各位法律顧問 |
| 00:09:50,959 | 00:09:51,959 | 萬國其實也可以 |
| 00:09:51,959 | 00:09:52,959 | 國防部長就是 |
| 00:09:53,959 | 00:09:55,959 | 我們顧部長就是萬國出來的 |
| 00:09:55,960 | 00:09:57,960 | 我們顧部長就是萬國出來的 |
| 00:09:57,960 | 00:09:59,960 | 以上跟各位做一個報告 |
| 00:09:59,960 | 00:10:01,960 | 謝謝部長的回覆 |