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黃建賓 @ 第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:03,240 | 好 新的主席有請國防部長 |
| 00:00:03,240 | 00:00:04,240 | 請部部長 |
| 00:00:10,840 | 00:00:12,160 | 是 黃偉宏 |
| 00:00:12,440 | 00:00:16,280 | 部長 部長 那個我們今天的題目是 |
| 00:00:16,540 | 00:00:20,500 | 就是在我們軍民採購的這些一些問題上 |
| 00:00:20,500 | 00:00:24,700 | 那講軍品的這個籌補跟一般的採購是不一樣的 |
| 00:00:24,700 | 00:00:27,720 | 因為它直接關係到是整個部隊的這個戰力 |
| 00:00:27,919 | 00:00:30,439 | 也關係到我們國家的這個防衛的韌性 |
| 00:00:30,439 | 00:00:33,760 | 那簡單的來說就是要能夠平時拿得到 |
| 00:00:33,760 | 00:00:37,660 | 暫時要用得上 而且要準時到位夠用 |
| 00:00:37,660 | 00:00:40,360 | 我想這個部長這點你們都有同意了齁 |
| 00:00:41,080 | 00:00:44,180 | 是 我們盡量能夠符合我們的作戰需求 |
| 00:00:44,180 | 00:00:46,920 | 好 可是部長 如果說我們採購一直延宕齁 |
| 00:00:46,920 | 00:00:50,019 | 然後這沒有過 然後旅約正義又拖很久 |
| 00:00:50,019 | 00:00:52,160 | 這問題就不是跟我們慢一點的問題 |
| 00:00:52,160 | 00:00:54,060 | 而是整個前線的部隊到底 |
| 00:00:54,060 | 00:00:56,820 | 它能不能夠準時的拿到戰力齁 |
| 00:00:57,080 | 00:00:59,880 | 那我們國防部在114年的11月3號 |
| 00:00:59,880 | 00:01:05,319 | 也曾經針對這個軍事工程落後軍商購這個案的延宕 |
| 00:01:05,319 | 00:01:06,420 | 提出專案的報告 |
| 00:01:06,420 | 00:01:11,420 | 當時國防部說要強化專責管理專業訓練契約管理 |
| 00:01:11,420 | 00:01:13,420 | 那我現在想要請教部長說 |
| 00:01:13,420 | 00:01:16,120 | 到今天為止那改成了多少 |
| 00:01:16,120 | 00:01:18,220 | 那延宕的案件有沒有變少 |
| 00:01:18,220 | 00:01:20,220 | 金額有沒有下降 |
| 00:01:20,220 | 00:01:23,620 | 那平均延宕的時間有沒有縮短 |
| 00:01:23,620 | 00:01:26,420 | 那請國防部這邊可以給我們具體的數字 |
| 00:01:27,820 | 00:01:29,820 | 郭委員我們每個案子啊 |
| 00:01:29,820 | 00:01:32,820 | 都有依據這個專案管理的機制 |
| 00:01:32,820 | 00:01:34,820 | 定期召開專案管理會議 |
| 00:01:34,820 | 00:01:37,820 | 也設定節點來管制這個執行進度 |
| 00:01:37,820 | 00:01:39,820 | 那有關於這個每個案子 |
| 00:01:39,820 | 00:01:43,020 | 後續我們可以提供這個書面資料跟委員 |
| 00:01:43,020 | 00:01:45,220 | 對啦 具體的數字就好了啦 |
| 00:01:45,220 | 00:01:47,720 | 因為我想要了解說具體的數字是多少 |
| 00:01:47,720 | 00:01:50,220 | 而不是這種原則性的說明這樣子 好不好 |
| 00:01:51,720 | 00:01:52,720 | 好 主任謝謝 |
| 00:01:52,720 | 00:01:54,020 | 那向委員報告 |
| 00:01:54,020 | 00:01:55,720 | 我們現在這個購案 |
| 00:01:55,720 | 00:01:58,120 | 我們近五年我們統計啊 |
| 00:01:58,120 | 00:01:59,120 | 有三萬多件 |
| 00:01:59,120 | 00:02:00,320 | 三萬一千件 |
| 00:02:00,320 | 00:02:01,320 | 招標的 |
| 00:02:01,320 | 00:02:04,320 | 然後但是產生履歷增益十件 |
| 00:02:04,320 | 00:02:07,320 | 那所以說基本上我們都有按照 |
| 00:02:07,320 | 00:02:10,120 | 原來都有按照這個都有設定管制節點 |
| 00:02:10,120 | 00:02:12,320 | 也有做專案管制的這個機制 |
| 00:02:13,320 | 00:02:15,320 | 所以在開完專案報告之後 |
| 00:02:15,320 | 00:02:17,120 | 有做哪些改善 |
| 00:02:17,120 | 00:02:18,120 | 每個案子是 |
| 00:02:18,120 | 00:02:20,120 | 就是我本席提到的那些 |
| 00:02:20,120 | 00:02:22,120 | 再報告給本席辦公室 |
| 00:02:22,120 | 00:02:22,620 | 是 |
| 00:02:22,620 | 00:02:23,320 | 因為我們會這樣講 |
| 00:02:23,320 | 00:02:25,120 | 是我們看到現在整個國際的情勢 |
| 00:02:25,120 | 00:02:26,520 | 從烏克蘭戰爭開始 |
| 00:02:26,520 | 00:02:27,520 | 然後總統衝突 |
| 00:02:27,520 | 00:02:31,520 | 都讓我們看到全球整個軍工的供應變得非常的緊張 |
| 00:02:31,520 | 00:02:33,520 | 那烏克蘭的戰爭也很清楚 |
| 00:02:33,520 | 00:02:35,520 | 你剛面對飛彈無人機的這樣子 |
| 00:02:35,520 | 00:02:36,520 | 連續的攻擊 |
| 00:02:36,520 | 00:02:39,020 | 你居然是再先進的防衛系統 |
| 00:02:39,020 | 00:02:42,020 | 攔截的彈藥也都可能會面臨到不夠用 |
| 00:02:42,020 | 00:02:44,520 | 那其他的區域的衝突也告訴我們說 |
| 00:02:44,520 | 00:02:46,020 | 你防一防未來 |
| 00:02:46,020 | 00:02:49,020 | 你要面對你的準備時間要更長 |
| 00:02:49,020 | 00:02:52,020 | 而且你還要面對更大規模的這些威脅 |
| 00:02:52,020 | 00:02:54,020 | 那現在我們每次的武器 |
| 00:02:54,920 | 00:02:55,920 | 交付研擋 |
| 00:02:55,920 | 00:02:58,920 | 各式的精準的彈藥籌補都在延長 |
| 00:02:58,920 | 00:03:01,920 | 那已經不是只有我們台灣遇到 |
| 00:03:01,920 | 00:03:03,920 | 現在是各國都在搶 |
| 00:03:03,920 | 00:03:06,920 | 那我們台灣就高度的仰賴對外的採購 |
| 00:03:06,920 | 00:03:08,920 | 那如果台海真的 |
| 00:03:08,920 | 00:03:10,920 | 有一天真的不幸發生了高強度的衝突 |
| 00:03:10,920 | 00:03:14,920 | 那美方的產能跟庫存會不會排擠我們的交貨的期程 |
| 00:03:14,920 | 00:03:16,920 | 我想要請教部長 |
| 00:03:16,920 | 00:03:18,920 | 我們軍工一算已經通 |
| 00:03:18,920 | 00:03:20,920 | 特別一算已經通過了 |
| 00:03:20,920 | 00:03:22,920 | 那按下給多數向美方來採購 |
| 00:03:23,820 | 00:03:25,820 | 那國防部有沒有建立這個 |
| 00:03:25,820 | 00:03:27,820 | 對美採購研擋的風險清單 |
| 00:03:27,820 | 00:03:29,820 | 哪一些項目是高風險 |
| 00:03:29,820 | 00:03:31,820 | 哪一些有沒有替代方案 |
| 00:03:31,820 | 00:03:33,820 | 那有沒有分散整個來源 |
| 00:03:33,820 | 00:03:35,820 | 那關鍵的零組件 |
| 00:03:35,820 | 00:03:37,820 | 有沒有規劃自主生產 |
| 00:03:37,820 | 00:03:39,820 | 或者是計轉 |
| 00:03:39,820 | 00:03:41,820 | 期程在哪裡 |
| 00:03:41,820 | 00:03:43,820 | 報告員我們先 |
| 00:03:43,820 | 00:03:45,820 | 你剛剛談到那個軍購案的這個部分 |
| 00:03:45,820 | 00:03:47,820 | 就是我們市長在 |
| 00:03:47,820 | 00:03:49,820 | 前年從前年開始 |
| 00:03:49,820 | 00:03:51,820 | 我們就已經開始針對我們軍購的這個部分 |
| 00:03:52,720 | 00:03:54,720 | 可能產生了潛在風險 |
| 00:03:54,720 | 00:03:56,720 | 去進行評估 |
| 00:03:56,720 | 00:03:58,720 | 在做特別預算的時候 |
| 00:03:58,720 | 00:04:00,720 | 我們也有跟大院這邊報告過 |
| 00:04:00,720 | 00:04:02,720 | 這些項目都是 |
| 00:04:02,720 | 00:04:04,720 | 已經經過跟美方 |
| 00:04:04,720 | 00:04:06,720 | 詳細的討論過交期數量 |
| 00:04:06,720 | 00:04:08,720 | 都沒有問題的 |
| 00:04:08,720 | 00:04:10,720 | 我們才會把它列入 |
| 00:04:10,720 | 00:04:12,720 | 我們的採購項目 |
| 00:04:12,720 | 00:04:14,720 | 那至於後面計轉的這個部分 |
| 00:04:14,720 | 00:04:16,719 | 我們 |
| 00:04:16,719 | 00:04:18,719 | 也有一些重點的項目 |
| 00:04:18,719 | 00:04:20,719 | 其中包含了 |
| 00:04:21,620 | 00:04:23,620 | 這個是未來我們爭取美方 |
| 00:04:23,620 | 00:04:25,620 | 計轉然後希望能夠在地生產 |
| 00:04:25,620 | 00:04:27,620 | 那當然還有一些其他的項目 |
| 00:04:27,620 | 00:04:29,620 | 可能會後再跟委員做說明 |
| 00:04:29,620 | 00:04:31,620 | 謝謝市長 |
| 00:04:31,620 | 00:04:33,620 | 市長其實本來要提醒的就是 |
| 00:04:33,620 | 00:04:35,620 | 全球性的這樣子的 |
| 00:04:35,620 | 00:04:37,620 | 軍工的緊張性 |
| 00:04:37,620 | 00:04:39,620 | 那這個也很難去 |
| 00:04:39,620 | 00:04:41,620 | 我們也很難 |
| 00:04:41,620 | 00:04:43,620 | 不擔心說 |
| 00:04:43,620 | 00:04:45,620 | 那未來其他的戰區如果有這個需求的時候 |
| 00:04:45,620 | 00:04:47,620 | 他整個資源線 |
| 00:04:47,620 | 00:04:49,620 | 採購以來那些遊行的時候 |
| 00:04:49,620 | 00:04:51,620 | 所以這個要先預防起來吧 |
| 00:04:51,620 | 00:04:53,620 | 是不是 |
| 00:04:53,620 | 00:04:55,620 | 對所以那個我們要擴充我們的 |
| 00:04:55,620 | 00:04:57,620 | 戰備的產線 |
| 00:04:57,620 | 00:04:59,620 | 我們有擺在這個特別條例 |
| 00:04:59,620 | 00:05:01,620 | 要納入特別預算 |
| 00:05:01,620 | 00:05:03,620 | 那因為這個特別條例也沒有通過 |
| 00:05:03,620 | 00:05:05,620 | 所以我們之後也會擺入 |
| 00:05:05,620 | 00:05:07,620 | 最佳預算跟公務預算裡面去 |
| 00:05:07,620 | 00:05:09,620 | 那事實上之前 |
| 00:05:09,620 | 00:05:11,620 | 也有跟 |
| 00:05:11,620 | 00:05:13,620 | 各位報告就是說 |
| 00:05:13,620 | 00:05:15,620 | 我們台美之間對15公里的 |
| 00:05:15,620 | 00:05:17,620 | 這個榴彈我們一定要 |
| 00:05:17,620 | 00:05:19,620 | 開始要共同合作這樣子 |
| 00:05:19,620 | 00:05:21,620 | 謝謝部長謝謝市長回應本期 |
| 00:05:21,620 | 00:05:23,620 | 提醒我們部裡面 |
| 00:05:23,620 | 00:05:25,620 | 確實這些部分要注意 |
| 00:05:25,620 | 00:05:27,620 | 那我們在因為時間也很長 |
| 00:05:27,620 | 00:05:29,620 | 我們再來談談反無人機系統 |
| 00:05:29,620 | 00:05:31,620 | 這個事情反無人機系統 |
| 00:05:31,620 | 00:05:33,620 | 我想很多人都提到 |
| 00:05:33,620 | 00:05:35,620 | 那之前我們的 |
| 00:05:35,620 | 00:05:37,620 | 入軍司令部有辦理 |
| 00:05:37,620 | 00:05:39,620 | 這個無人機反制的這個委託研究 |
| 00:05:39,620 | 00:05:41,620 | 那由這個創未來公司 |
| 00:05:41,620 | 00:05:43,620 | 獲評為優勝的這個整合廠商 |
| 00:05:43,620 | 00:05:45,620 | 那接著我們另外叫 |
| 00:05:45,620 | 00:05:47,620 | 這個正地式的無人機反制系統的 |
| 00:05:47,620 | 00:05:49,620 | 採購標案又是由 |
| 00:05:49,620 | 00:05:51,620 | 同一家公司得標那金額大概就是 |
| 00:05:51,620 | 00:05:53,620 | 9.8億那部長 |
| 00:05:53,620 | 00:05:55,620 | 這個會不會讓外界來質疑說 |
| 00:05:55,620 | 00:05:57,620 | 從研究到採購都是 |
| 00:05:57,620 | 00:05:59,620 | 由同一個廠商來承受 |
| 00:05:59,620 | 00:06:01,620 | 那規格有沒有被特定的廠商 |
| 00:06:01,620 | 00:06:03,620 | 綁住 |
| 00:06:03,620 | 00:06:05,620 | 那市場的競爭到底充不充分 |
| 00:06:05,620 | 00:06:07,620 | 相關的評選跟 |
| 00:06:07,620 | 00:06:09,620 | 採購的設計有沒有第三方 |
| 00:06:09,620 | 00:06:11,620 | 的緊合 |
| 00:06:11,620 | 00:06:13,620 | 那第二個就是說外界也會質疑說 |
| 00:06:13,620 | 00:06:15,620 | 那這套系統三次測驗都沒有達到 |
| 00:06:15,620 | 00:06:17,620 | 合格標準 |
| 00:06:17,620 | 00:06:19,620 | 甚至傳出說連那個商用的 |
| 00:06:19,620 | 00:06:21,620 | 無人機都可以穿越防線喔 |
| 00:06:21,620 | 00:06:23,620 | 那這個是我們國防部 |
| 00:06:23,620 | 00:06:25,620 | 一開始在設定需求 |
| 00:06:25,620 | 00:06:27,620 | 在測驗標準在風險 |
| 00:06:27,620 | 00:06:29,620 | 礦管上面是不是有問題 |
| 00:06:29,620 | 00:06:31,620 | 那我想問的 |
| 00:06:31,620 | 00:06:33,620 | 就是說我們如果測驗不合格 |
| 00:06:33,620 | 00:06:35,620 | 問題都要卡在哪裡是卡在偵測 |
| 00:06:35,620 | 00:06:37,620 | 識別還是干擾 |
| 00:06:37,620 | 00:06:39,620 | 還是攔阻還是整個系統 |
| 00:06:39,620 | 00:06:41,620 | 的整合那測驗的環境 |
| 00:06:41,620 | 00:06:43,620 | 我們沒有貼近實戰 |
| 00:06:43,620 | 00:06:45,620 | 那我們國防部是不是能夠在 |
| 00:06:45,620 | 00:06:47,620 | 涉及機密的情況之下 |
| 00:06:47,620 | 00:06:49,620 | 向立法院來說明提出整個完整的 |
| 00:06:49,620 | 00:06:51,620 | 這個報告 |
| 00:06:51,620 | 00:06:53,620 | 包圍針對您剛才的提詢 |
| 00:06:53,620 | 00:06:55,620 | 我就以下幾點的回覆 |
| 00:06:55,620 | 00:06:57,620 | 第一個委託研究案 |
| 00:06:57,620 | 00:06:59,620 | 跟這個26號的反制 |
| 00:06:59,620 | 00:07:01,620 | 系統它在 |
| 00:07:01,620 | 00:07:03,620 | 屬性上面跟適用的法規是 |
| 00:07:03,620 | 00:07:05,620 | 不一樣的那委託研究案 |
| 00:07:05,620 | 00:07:07,620 | 它最主要它是 |
| 00:07:07,620 | 00:07:09,620 | 不是一個正它不適用於政府 |
| 00:07:09,620 | 00:07:11,620 | 採購法它是依據我們的 |
| 00:07:11,620 | 00:07:13,620 | 需求那當初 |
| 00:07:13,620 | 00:07:15,620 | 是為了能夠快速獲得這個裝備 |
| 00:07:15,620 | 00:07:17,620 | 那當然 |
| 00:07:17,620 | 00:07:19,620 | 它的這個為什麼 |
| 00:07:19,620 | 00:07:21,620 | 是由創未來來組合 |
| 00:07:21,620 | 00:07:23,620 | 那個已經是到了整個委託研究 |
| 00:07:23,620 | 00:07:25,620 | 決議的末端它當 |
| 00:07:25,620 | 00:07:27,620 | 初是由四家事實上 |
| 00:07:27,620 | 00:07:29,620 | 是最後的一個 |
| 00:07:29,620 | 00:07:31,620 | 一個合議 |
| 00:07:31,620 | 00:07:33,620 | 的一個過程那當然 |
| 00:07:33,620 | 00:07:35,620 | 它的終止契約 |
| 00:07:35,620 | 00:07:37,620 | 也是起始於這個委託研究 |
| 00:07:37,620 | 00:07:39,620 | 精神它沒有跟另外一家 |
| 00:07:39,620 | 00:07:41,620 | 在應該在契約 |
| 00:07:41,620 | 00:07:43,620 | 精神裡面要求要完成 |
| 00:07:43,620 | 00:07:45,620 | 整合的因為大概 |
| 00:07:45,620 | 00:07:47,620 | 就不是大概就是兩家 |
| 00:07:47,620 | 00:07:49,620 | 的這個意向後面有一個 |
| 00:07:49,620 | 00:07:51,620 | 歧異沒有整合 |
| 00:07:51,620 | 00:07:53,620 | 那我們終止這個契約這是您 |
| 00:07:53,620 | 00:07:55,620 | 所提及的第一個叫委託研究案 |
| 00:07:55,620 | 00:07:57,620 | 那第二個在26號的 |
| 00:07:57,620 | 00:07:59,620 | 它就是一個純粹的採購案那事實上 |
| 00:07:59,620 | 00:08:01,620 | 它經過嚴整的公告招標 |
| 00:08:01,620 | 00:08:03,620 | 非常嚴謹的採購程序 |
| 00:08:03,620 | 00:08:05,620 | 那事實上也 |
| 00:08:05,620 | 00:08:07,620 | 它它它公告招標 |
| 00:08:07,620 | 00:08:09,620 | 之後也並不是只有一家 |
| 00:08:09,620 | 00:08:11,620 | 是唯一的廠商 |
| 00:08:11,620 | 00:08:13,620 | 然後在後面兩家 |
| 00:08:13,620 | 00:08:15,620 | 來共同評選的我們就有外聘 |
| 00:08:15,620 | 00:08:17,620 | 委員來共同的 |
| 00:08:17,620 | 00:08:19,620 | 領選那經過一個 |
| 00:08:19,620 | 00:08:21,620 | 實際的POC的驗測 |
| 00:08:21,620 | 00:08:23,620 | 那以及那POC |
| 00:08:23,620 | 00:08:25,620 | 我們再加上整個的 |
| 00:08:25,620 | 00:08:27,620 | 資格的審認那 |
| 00:08:27,620 | 00:08:29,620 | 當然最後是由 |
| 00:08:29,620 | 00:08:31,620 | 評審委員依照整個結論 |
| 00:08:31,620 | 00:08:33,620 | 是由川偉來最高分有他來獲選 |
| 00:08:33,620 | 00:08:35,620 | 好 參謀長請教 |
| 00:08:35,620 | 00:08:37,620 | 那接下來測驗 |
| 00:08:37,620 | 00:08:39,620 | 最近還有要再繼續測驗嗎 |
| 00:08:39,620 | 00:08:41,620 | 依照這個契約它就是 |
| 00:08:41,620 | 00:08:43,620 | 一次交貨驗首兩次 |
| 00:08:43,620 | 00:08:45,620 | 複驗那這兩次複驗 |
| 00:08:45,620 | 00:08:47,620 | 已經結束了那接下來就是解約嗎 |
| 00:08:47,620 | 00:08:49,620 | 現在我們正在 |
| 00:08:49,620 | 00:08:51,620 | 按按程序來辦理 |
| 00:08:51,620 | 00:08:53,620 | 那我們解約之後我們目前要求償 |
| 00:08:53,620 | 00:08:55,620 | 多少我們要保固責任 |
| 00:08:55,620 | 00:08:57,620 | 然後委約的責任要怎麼算 |
| 00:08:57,620 | 00:08:59,620 | 那我們已經付出去的錢 |
| 00:08:59,620 | 00:09:01,620 | 有沒有確實的保存 |
| 00:09:01,620 | 00:09:03,620 | 剛剛採購室主任已經報告 |
| 00:09:03,620 | 00:09:05,620 | 這個不會付出任何一毛錢 |
| 00:09:05,620 | 00:09:07,620 | 那第二個當然它在整個 |
| 00:09:07,620 | 00:09:09,620 | 違約的部分也就是 |
| 00:09:09,620 | 00:09:11,620 | 九千多萬那另外 |
| 00:09:11,620 | 00:09:13,620 | 還有一個沒收履約保證金四千八百 |
| 00:09:13,620 | 00:09:15,620 | 多萬所以這 |
| 00:09:15,620 | 00:09:17,620 | 整個都是按照 |
| 00:09:17,620 | 00:09:19,620 | 這個案子我們會繼續再 |
| 00:09:19,620 | 00:09:21,620 | 推動嗎 |
| 00:09:21,620 | 00:09:23,620 | 剛剛部長也說過了 |
| 00:09:23,620 | 00:09:25,620 | 為了滿足我們實際上 |
| 00:09:25,620 | 00:09:27,620 | 本外島和這些 |
| 00:09:27,620 | 00:09:29,620 | 所謂重要防護目標需求 |
| 00:09:29,620 | 00:09:31,620 | 事實上在這個案子 |
| 00:09:31,620 | 00:09:33,620 | 正在進行當中因為這些 |
| 00:09:33,620 | 00:09:35,620 | 的科技的迭代 |
| 00:09:35,620 | 00:09:37,620 | 和需求是一直在滾動的 |
| 00:09:37,620 | 00:09:39,620 | 所以我們也完成了可惜是無人機的 |
| 00:09:39,620 | 00:09:41,620 | 這個建案座 |
| 00:09:41,620 | 00:09:43,620 | 的四階文件那只要 |
| 00:09:43,620 | 00:09:45,620 | 是預算獲付我們就可以來辦理招標 |
| 00:09:45,620 | 00:09:47,620 | 好謝謝陳部長的說明 |
| 00:09:47,620 | 00:09:49,620 | 讓時間關係做好講本席 |
| 00:09:49,620 | 00:09:51,620 | 要求國防部在一個月內 |
| 00:09:51,620 | 00:09:53,620 | 提供三項資料第一個就是 |
| 00:09:53,620 | 00:09:55,620 | 我們重大軍民採購 |
| 00:09:55,620 | 00:09:57,620 | 延宕案的清單還有改善 |
| 00:09:57,620 | 00:09:59,620 | 進度第二個就是 |
| 00:09:59,620 | 00:10:01,620 | 我們對美採購高風險的項目 |
| 00:10:01,620 | 00:10:03,620 | 一起替代或本土化 |
| 00:10:03,620 | 00:10:05,620 | 的方案第三個就是 |
| 00:10:05,620 | 00:10:07,620 | 我們反無人機系統的採購案 |
| 00:10:07,620 | 00:10:09,620 | 這個測驗結果 |
| 00:10:09,620 | 00:10:11,620 | 那旅約的爭議 |
| 00:10:11,620 | 00:10:13,620 | 還有全場進入戰略的規劃這些 |
| 00:10:13,620 | 00:10:15,620 | 資料我講這些在 |
| 00:10:15,620 | 00:10:17,620 | 這些資料就不要再用這個 |
| 00:10:17,620 | 00:10:19,620 | 依法辦理或持續進行 |
| 00:10:19,620 | 00:10:21,620 | 這些制度就明確的告訴 |
| 00:10:21,620 | 00:10:23,620 | 告訴我們讓我們也能夠 |
| 00:10:23,620 | 00:10:25,620 | 來瞭解好不好部長 |
| 00:10:25,620 | 00:10:27,620 | 剛剛那個旅約的後續處理 |
| 00:10:27,620 | 00:10:29,620 | 相關的違約 |
| 00:10:29,620 | 00:10:31,620 | 罰款的金額 |
| 00:10:31,620 | 00:10:33,620 | 我們當然就解約嘛解約當然就不用付 |
| 00:10:33,620 | 00:10:35,620 | 價金嘛另外還有一起罰款 |
| 00:10:35,620 | 00:10:37,620 | 還有旅約保證金等等這個我想 |
| 00:10:37,620 | 00:10:39,620 | 具體的金額都可以提供給 |
| 00:10:39,620 | 00:10:41,620 | 好謝謝部長謝謝市長謝謝許席 |