| IVOD_ID |
170556 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170556 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-19,35,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-16T15:32:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-16T15:44:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c57864e9296d47751fe00abee55047931ac734a26d834dc4c96cfc61d699b925c5914fa0a6f3b7f85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅明才 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:32:34 - 15:44:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：併案審查：
一、 行政院函請審議「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。
二、 本院委員林楚茵等17人擬具「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。
三、 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「強化國防自主暨無人機產業發展條例草案」案。
四、 本院國民黨黨團擬具「國防自主無人載具科技發展及採購條例草案」案。(僅詢答)(以上各案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查)） |
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好 接下來我們請羅明財委員質詢主席各位初六席官員大家好主席可不可以請經濟部好 請經濟部核次長國防部 |
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國安部副總長執行官兩位一起我想 市長今天聆聽了很多委員的發言你有沒有覺得其中的委員講得比較好的 |
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我覺得委員都各有不同的角度啦好 那你隨便講十個像我剛剛覺得上一個講的紅委員他就是很專業啊我發現他講的比早上講的這些官員還好你回去不要跟部長講你有沒有覺得因為這個事情討論了以後 |
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整個分開來看你就會發現它不是單一的說我要為了做而做打造護國神山沒有人反對啊那我請問你喔那台積電是護國神山以前有沒有編特別預算沒有沒有好那是由哪一座護國神山是因為編特別預算然後感覺有成功的 |
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我跟委員報告這次編特別預算是因為國防部他們有這個國防自主的這樣的一個需求那這些需求本來國防部本來就是要採購的那如果說把這些採購的商機能夠留在國內的話我覺得對國內的產業事實上是有幫助的而且許多的國內產業他們也 |
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看到這樣的一個長期的訂單的話就願意來加碼投資而且在研發的創新上面多做一些這個努力所以大概概念是國建國造啦大概概念就是說無人機就是我們自己造嘛這個大概這個意思吧是當然我們就是要發展自己的國防產業 |
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其實我是很支持的因為我從小就是軍事迷啊那對這個就跟足球一樣我不會踢足球但是足球也看得瞎瞎叫大家也都覺得很精彩很有興趣我也希望下一個無人機的產業我們打世界盃嘛那就牽涉到一個金額的問題啊韓國最近 |
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他為了要發展整個整體科技電子業的發展投入多少錢那個 次長投入多少這我沒有去瞭解大概是38兆就是最近的事啊他那個涵蓋面更廣展現他們的信心啊所以你覺得 |
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要發展無人機就從無人機的現狀開始說起請問全世界現在無人機做最好的是哪個品牌當然美國 法國都有無人機很好的這個品牌美國哪個牌子Andurial法國Hero |
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就大疆 民眾的部分 對所以當然我們也不是說自己妄自菲薄而是你去世界你世界有一些情況要去問一下因為譬如說AI整個整體整理出來就是NVIDIA系統 對不對 |
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AMD啊 那整個你排列下來 Google啊 Amazon啊周邊會買的 OpenAI 往下延伸就會有很多的產業出現嘛因為全世界大家都知道嘛所以你現在要在台灣發展無人機的產業請問你準備投多少錢 |
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目前我們已經有一個同仇型計畫從去年到2019年我們總共要編442億元來投入那當然除了這個以外我們還有許多的一些政府的資源包括國發基金這邊他也可以來做一些投資的國發基金準備投多少 |
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當然他就要看有適當的案源當然他就會來做投資的支持那國泊金最主要是靠台積電台積電大概我們持有大概是6.5%左右那以現在的市值來看的話台積電總市值是多少 |
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根委員報告以現在台積電目前的這個股價來講的話2400塊對 那市值 國家基金這邊大概就接近4兆4兆4兆 4兆 對 我想說大概3點多到4兆那你會不會因為這一次的無人機的發展賣台積電股票不會 |
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那台積電股票未來怎麼處理?賣不賣?台積電的股票我想委員很清楚嘛因為其實外資的持股很高所以台積電國發...外資持股應該有70幾%吧所以...雖然我們是比較最大的這個法人股東所以這對於這個穩定來講的話是有幫助的所以我想大院的委員大概也都有提到說不要賣台積電的股票所以台積電不會賣?是OK 好 |
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那你如果台積電不要賣的話那你覺得在國發基準部可以運用的資金有多少你要來投入無人機相關 |
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跟委員報告我們有各個不同的投資方案有硬體軟體直接投資的創投的百億的這個主題式的基金天使等等那主要都是在支持當新創有需要的時候大概就會有這個好那接著就是會討論到一個問題這個你一個那麼大的一個項目展開了以後有硬體軟體有周邊請問 |
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何次長既然你們是主辦是你嘛是不是你有沒有發現在台灣的上市上規公司1900家裡面有幾家跟無人機發展有關的大概有很多的來你旁邊那個有沒有比較了解的 |
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有幾家?跟委員報告,其實無人機相關廠商有267家但是裡面有非常多的零組件也是由國內非常知名的業者我覺得你們這樣也不錯因為你就推一個產業出來市長,你也有點小貢獻因為你一推出了以後260家裡面的說要做無人機,有的都還沒開始做股票都漲了30%、50%你有沒有發現這個現象? |
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當然這個就是大家對國內無人機這個產業事實上是很有這個信心你要注意一點 我不是批評喔我以為你這個很好因為現在台灣的產業全部都是AI啦除了半導體AI有AI 大家想我送給我沒有AI 大家愛愛叫 就被愛 |
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所以你這樣很好啊那你接下來除了無人機你第二個你還要推什麼那我們現在還有許多的像機器人的這個產業那你就講嘛 講大一點嘛我要做無人機 哇 帶動200多家公司的上漲有的漲30% 漲50%南部有一家連做都還沒做 漲到300多塊 |
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你再來講 機器人 你也喊啊對台灣好 我們都支持第三個 還有什麼產業我們現在有推出13個關鍵的產業你要走 要走較招穩 做大一點雨露均沾 只要帶動台灣發展我們都舉雙手贊成 可是一定要小心上次上一波的綠能就變成什麼綠油油 |
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然後什麼光電88槍什麼搞得亂七八糟其實我們明代也沒在看那個啦我們在看的是台灣整個未來的經濟的發展產業的帶動這個是最重要的所以我基本上我是支持的啦 |
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但我覺得建議護國神山像新北特別我們是新練寶高智慧園區在你所有一個無人機大概品項下大概有幾項兩百多項嘛 零組件什麼的六大模組這樣往下分有多少 |
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大概有一兩百項我希望優先在新店寶高智慧園區因為它裡面有很多的晶片鴻海還有相關的什麼國巨機械通通在那個地方請優先來考量精密製造的基地土層樹林那邊五股工業區是產業鏈也優先來考量一下 |
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場域測試的話 大海西施政 北海岸的沿海特定的空域也不錯這邊也請你們在推動的時候多多考慮那最後 建立一個MIT無人載具安全認證提升國際競爭力也很重要要做就把它做好 |
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做就要做大我們也都知道啦因為紅色供應燕關係整個切斷了以後事實上包括阿拉伯包括很多的國家現在已經都有跟我們買啦可是不要漏氣啊買了半天連續去試飛的時候石價掉三價下來會很漏氣的你上面打的MIT啊你要做好啊 |
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所以你們這個產業供應鏈你們要把發揮台積電成功的經驗複製到每一個區塊讓他們串結起來好不好2400億夠不夠 |
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沒有 我們現在就是以統籌型計畫我們先來推動再搭配我們那個國防採購的這個特別預算好啦 我們希望這樣來支持產業以前也沒特別預算嘛就是照這樣子年度預算下去做 謝謝 |