| IVOD_ID |
170554 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170554 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-19,35,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-16T15:08:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-16T15:18:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c57864e9296d47758ad261616e76bb081ac734a26d834dc4c96cfc61d699b925b066f83588e7a26e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳冠廷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:08:18 - 15:18:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：併案審查：
一、 行政院函請審議「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。
二、 本院委員林楚茵等17人擬具「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。
三、 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「強化國防自主暨無人機產業發展條例草案」案。
四、 本院國民黨黨團擬具「國防自主無人載具科技發展及採購條例草案」案。(僅詢答)(以上各案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查)） |
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我們就要請陳冠廷委員質詢我們請經濟部次長請經濟部 |
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委員好市長好 市長這一檔的2400億的這個部分它是一般公務預算那在這個一般公務預算裡面它有提到的一些跟產業振興的概念的部分那跟我們的無人載具的 |
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之前有一個產業振興相關的條款我看你們今天的書面報告組織總署也好經濟部的書面報告也好都有提到一個442億元的這個相關的無人載具投從計畫這個預計是114到119年來去投入442億元來給無人載具提供發展這2400億跟這個我們現有的442億的無人載具的這個產業發展計畫還有沒有雷同之處 |
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裡面有一部分是會用在這個產業輔導的部分我想是雷同的啦也就是說我們現在已經有統籌型計畫已經在對產業已經在做輔導了而且裡面所提到所設計的這相關的獎勵啦或是租稅抵減投資的部分其實我們在產創條例裡面本來廠商現在就可以來 |
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來應用這方面的這些相關的優惠所以在一檔所設計出來的這些條文裡面其實說真的現在不管是我們投手銀計畫還是現有的法規其實廠商都可以來依循這些政府所提供的這相關的這個輔導資源可以來使用好你剛剛提到的包含租稅還有一些財政上面的輔助等等的 |
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那這個442億元已經有可能有重複的地方那有沒有不僅是重複會不會有抵觸的地方啊就是說已經這邊也有規定那你再另行規定的話那以哪一個為主 |
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當然就是早上也有委員提到說會不會抵觸這個憲法就是說立法院應該只能審行政院提出來的預算那這次這個在院長的版本裡面有提到就是說他要這個編列預算這個是違憲的 |
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我先不講到違憲我們先講到說假設已經有了無人載具產業發展計畫裡面的條目跟他們提出來的計畫2400億的計畫裡面有互相重疊那一個比較多那一個比較少或者是相反一個比較少一個比較多的這個狀況之下是以哪一個為主啊 |
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對 當然我們現在為了要趕快輔導產業的話我們當然就是以這個目前統籌金計畫的這個推動為主那如果在野黨他提出2400億的話那是不是最好的方式如果他們真的想要對無人載具來提高他的這個投資提高我們的量能還有我們的產線那未來說民轉軍的時候在遇到國家緊急狀態的時候能夠擴增擴建的話 |
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那是不是增加無人載具投資計畫的追加預算是不是也有幫助其實在野黨他們是用這個公務預算的方式來編列啦那公務預算其實會有幾個效果第一個可能預算編列的時候會有排擠的效果那第二個也有可能預算會被刪減的問題 |
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那第三個就是預算可能也有可能會被這個審查時程延宕的這個問題所以如果說國安部現在提出了這個特別預算的這個編列的話能夠讓廠商可以 |
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看得到未來有一個很穩定的預算的一個編列而且他們也願意來投資或是說在研發者的工作上面能夠多做一些這方面的一個努力的話其實他們也比較願意做這方面的資本的一個投入 |
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所以我想國安部的這樣的一個增加採購的能量的話我想對國內的無人機業者來講他們也比較能夠吃下一個定心丸他願意來投入這樣的一個長期研發的工作 |
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那次長接下來我想要請教一下包含這個經濟部那還有我們的中科院的院長也可以那是不是要一起一併來我們就針對這個他們提到本土化的部分那本土化我們就進入更細節就是剛才提到的不管是我們的晶片也好還是說我們的一些主要的關鍵部產 |
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我們現在本土化有辦法達到在野黨他們要求的這樣子的比例嗎 |
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我中科院副院長跟委員報告就是我們有很多一些包含了關鍵零組件的本土化我們也希望能夠配合經濟部的統籌型企劃然後我們有一個多元運用方案也希望在那個裡面來去提升我們國內的技術水準對那現在這一檔的提出來的版本裡面他有提出要在多少的百分比甚至說本土的這個關鍵部材或者是本土的零件比例要到幾%80%嘛所以最高是有他們的條例裡面 |
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對 四年後要達到80%好 四年後要達到80%那現在有辦法完成這樣子的任務嗎其實我跟委員報告其實現在的話我們的統計就是一些小型無人機的話大概已經有70%可以達到國產化然後中型的話大概有六成可以達到我的意思是國產化所以這一檔提出來的這個目的是達到80%的話 |
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那我擔心說在我們時間上面來不來得及我怕說時間上面如果來不及的話那等於是再把我們的產量等於是無法用其他國家我們是去中化嘛但是其他有盟的國家跟我們友善的國家跟我們互補的國家等於是我們沒有辦法進這些專用的關鍵部材零組件來去完成我們無人機發展的這個目標那這樣怎麼辦是 所以我們也是比較擔心因為無人機的迭代的速度非常快啦 |
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所以有一些零組件的部分有可能會產生就是說目前我們國內的話還是需要向國外來採購這個部分所以如果再去訂這個所謂國產化的這個比例的話就怕委員剛剛提到的這個問題我們會擔心他會有這樣的一個問題 |
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好那接下來我們請國防部這個次長或者是副總長執行官也可以一起好簡單好想請教一下我們剛才有聽到應該也不是我們仔細看一下這一檔的一些提案裡面有說分三地做生產的這個基地你們對這一個的看法跟意見如何 |
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包委員這個有關於在野黨在他的條例裡頭所規定的這個地點我相信這個我們台灣各地都有相當多的廠商那我們的國防部門的條例分散 |
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對重要的是要滿足最快的速度滿足我們的作戰需求所以說實際上我們是只要能夠符合我們作戰需求的我們都會去加以這個採購納入我們的作戰序列那至於要由哪些地方強制分配到怎麼樣分配實際上就會造成我們在採購還有這個產業上發展上的這個 |
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失去了彈性反而不利於我們在這個國防快速建立的目標好那最後一個問題我想請教就是說可是在分散生產這方面有它的道理在嗎 |
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當然就任性來說的確如果我們的這個能夠分散能夠這個將這個利益這個國防產業的這個效益擴大到最大是有它的好處但是我們要強調必須先滿足我們的作戰需求 |
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那因為這個要權衡一下這個我對這一點是有既有疑慮但是一方面又覺得說它分散的它能夠增強我們的韌性這件事情也是要納入考量所以這個部分可能要先做研究就是說如果我們的目標是追求韌性就是當一滴的生產被斷斷鏈了那接下來至少有其他地方可以作為備位的這個提供者那在暫時的時候這個又特別重要 |
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可是在平時的話我們是要快速獲得這些能力快速獲得這些裝備所以理論上是要誰能夠生產我們就要做他的採購不管是在哪一區域所以平時跟暫時之間它是有不同的需求 |
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但是我們現在又追求韌性所以我認為我們這部分可能跟在野黨要溝通一下說到底是怎麼樣權衡那特別是現在在陳平時期的話那我們是不是先不要 |
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要這麼強硬的說要分這麼多地還是說他真的還是有他的必要性這個部分我覺得要溝通因為是有他的道理在剛才你有講有他的道理在但是也有他的缺陷在所以這個部分我們瞭解一下到底盤整一下到底夠不夠如果不夠的話就要跟在野黨來跟他們來去說服說因為現在的狀況陳平時期是真的不夠我們可以理解他們要在三個不同地區生產的這一個看法 |
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可是如果在陳平時期這樣的做法似乎不是最好的做法那這個部分就要來溝通一下好不好是 好 謝謝委員 |