| IVOD_ID |
170547 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170547 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-16T13:44:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-16T14:00:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c57864e9296d4775fd5e58dbb003b0eb7116cccdf4cf529df6d240afde84e98a417f76de9673b42b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:44:41 - 14:00:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：邀請文化部部長李遠列席就「以災難說檢視文化部國際傳播政策執行成效、文化內容投資及公共資源運用補助」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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志祥委員有請部長有請部長王委員你好你好 |
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物以往之不見,之來者之可追,時彌圖其未遠,絕今是而昨非在我今天質詢之前我想把陶淵明的歸續來希的這一段話來送給部長部長今天專報的主題其實就是因為您跟文化部在審查預算過程前後的說明 |
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不僅沒有讓大家更清楚還讓社會上增加對文化政策更多的疑慮才特別安排的那首先我們先來看一下我們7月2號省預算當天部長到底說了些什麼話來請播放有聲音嗎 |
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我把刀曾经好几部电影都卖了好几亿然后他想用这部电影作为一个好久没有的功夫片它具有种开创性出来这个结果的确令人这个非常傻眼我个人在这边代表文策院投资这个功夫惨赔啊我个人道歉向所有这个关心台湾影视的还有这个纳税人道歉 |
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台灣Plus它從頭到尾它的問題就是這個定位沒有很清楚原來想像中我們有一個頻道可以對國外發聲當你決定之後一下子沒有這麼多人才的時候就大量用了外籍記者短期的訓練那大家就覺得外籍記者報導東西又跟台灣沒有關係當初在中央社做不下去用一道公款集團公款集團好像又沒有辦法完全管到它因為它連上班都不在一起它的確是一個災難我必須承認的確是一個災難我覺得朝育芬的問題 |
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也是因為在更換外籍主管的過程中他們大概找不太到合適的這個本國籍的編輯就屈就吧部長我想請教您齁7月2號你說的這些話到底算不算數啊哪些是真話哪些是假話那你的道歉是要收回了嗎 |
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謝謝委員剛才把我在當天放的那個話很完整的播出那關於功夫我想講的是其實文策院投資過非常非常多影片也賣錢的電影非常多文策院本來就是投資一些具有前瞻性實驗性但是他的 |
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電影本身的那個風險非常大沒有人會知道以我們投下這麼多的錢為了一部充滿這個技術提升還有類型提升而且他事實上他真的花了這麼多錢在做一個各種技術的提升在這個電影我們本來就是要試著投資這一種比較有遠見的電影所以大家 |
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想像中九把刀的電影會賣好幾億包括我內心在期待過年的時候應該賣好幾億可是他上片的過程非常奇怪一上片全部被所有人罵罵到最後票房就這樣結束我當然心裡蠻難過可是不表示我們在公布這個片子投資可以否定我們所有文社院投資的所有影片我當時道歉是真的因為他們回收遠遠低於我的想像大概就這樣 |
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謝謝部長你這邊有說道歉是真的那我覺得部長剛剛也講一個重點說真的我上次質詢其實我還算蠻客氣的我沒有把自己個人意見放進去我只是很客觀提出說國發基金加上文化部的補助國家投了一億五千萬在公布這部影片上 |
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你們告訴我回收一千萬我只是很客觀講這個事實所以部長當時就說這是令人傻眼的結果然後他慘賠那你對此道歉今天部長還是維持這個道歉我還是再次肯定你而且部長今天剛講了一段話說真的我在上次質詢很想講但是部長你講了這部電影為什麼今天你會覺得遺憾你會傻眼因為它不只是票房不好 |
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他被人家罵爆了很多人上來就罵他所以我要告訴大家我今天質詢了功夫影片之後我告訴部長啦在外面不管是任何背景的其他的電影的創作人很多都來告訴我說的真好1億5千的國家公帑其實是可以做更好的運用的所以這邊齁我先謝謝部長還維持住你的道歉 |
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但是呢部長其實我希望你不要兩天後說法又不一樣了因為在上次你道歉完之後你在兩天後你在記者會上你在7月4號記者會上說只要保住預算要我說什麼都可以希望大家原諒我說錯話我是希望今天你維持你的道歉 |
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不是因為要保住預算 所以你怎麼說都可以啦 我希望不是啦那我也希望說今天部長 我當然知道我可以體諒部長啦 我知道壓力一定很大啦但是 部長基本上更應該要去向國人跟 尤其我講的是很多的一些影視方面 |
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電影製作 電影導演不管是新銳或是現有團隊今天嗷嗷逮捕的這些電影團隊文化部要擔當對他們要有交代這個才是你的本物跟本質那第二個我們講台灣Plus其實7月2號部長也知道嘛你坦承台灣Plus是災難我當場也肯定部長 |
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那我想請問Town Plus還是災難嗎這個句話要收回了嗎其實前面很多人問過這個問題我也一再解釋我如果重新放回當天剛剛委員你也放了那一段我說Town Plus怎麼形成的在一個什麼情況下形成然後被搬來搬去外籍記者其實我講的這個 |
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所遇到的挑戰就是講這一段也許我用您剛剛講的字眼稍微重了一點可是我還是承認我們所面臨的問題是相同的而且我們講完之後就花很多時間就開始要改變而且從去年年中到現在我們已經改變了很多其實我那一天是花了90%的時間在講我們怎麼改 |
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如果只停留在那些字眼上會有點誤會我都全部否定所以才會有兩天之後我覺得我好像我的語言有點傷到所有努力工作的人所以我就跟努力工作的人道歉但是不表示我前面講的話是想騙預算我覺得不是好謝謝部長的澄清但部長今天如果位置交換一下我講講我的感受你聽聽看因為7月2號 |
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你第一個你願意面對今天功夫慘賠的這個狀況你向國人道歉那你也針對TIME PLUS你認為是一個當時的用詞是災難所以你說要進行改革那我當然也當下就肯定部長可是部長你在7月4號那段話坦白講在我聽起來就好像是為了保住預算騙我 |
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我的感受啦 那你今天要澄清很好所以我看到這個新聞其實我是有點詫異的坦白跟部長說因為我覺得我在7月2號的時候的這個預算審查過程當中我感受到的部長是針對文化部的政策你是時迷途其未遠啦你知道有些方向錯有些做法錯了但是還來得及改 |
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知來者之可追你覺得還是可以去做改變所以你願意承認過去的錯誤然後希望能夠未來提出徹徑的一個方向跟方式可是7月4號你的記者會就讓我聽起來好像變成是意識手段好像是一個權宜之計好像是在騙我的我自己是有這個感受但是我還是要跟部長提醒一件事情就是說 |
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我認為部長很多東西我覺得今天還是要踩住你身為部長的一個最根本的責任線上就像說在立法院其實嚴格來講為了保住預算說什麼都可以這句話基本邏輯其實是不對的為什麼呢因為立法院按照憲法我們有審查預算的憲政的職責他其實 |
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是在保護我們的民眾的納稅錢能夠得到最佳的運用所以才會有立法院上面我們針對預算我們提出來的看法所以作為文化部部長你當然要為你的政策乃至於預算辯護這點我可以理解但是並不是為了保住預算什麼話都可以說這一點我相信現在的部長你應該也不認同這句話吧沒錯吧 |
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我想我是语言上的有点不思啦因为我觉得为了保住预算我什么都可以说那一刻你应该想我的心情嘛因为那天早上为了要删除那个美学会有讲了一个上午那我真的很希望大家对文社院还有对TELA PLUS多一点鼓励嘛 |
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那我也願意檢討我其實一直是一個改革者我非常誠實的面對那剛剛講到說我什麼都可以你可以想像我不太可能在為了保護預算去罵我的父母親吧這個語言本身不會是無限制的膨脹我想只是一種形容我為了捍衛文化部剩下不多的預算的那一種捍衛的心情而已我並不是真的想要欺騙 |
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立法院我覺得那天我審完預算走出來被訪問的時候我還說除了審查預算之外我個人從委員身上得到了很多建議因為 |
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文化工作本來就是一棒教一棒所以我能夠聽到大家給我的意見一些缺點我真的在有限時間內會希望趕快改變這點我希望藉由今天這個機會從我1980開始工作到現在我始終是一個改革者但是我心很軟 |
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我心真的很軟 因為我覺得我這話是不是又傷害到員工了所以其實這兩件事情基本上它不是衝突的而且我也不是真的要騙預算你現在看我怎麼騙嘛 我怎麼騙得過預算這個語言上我覺得我是不妥當啦 但是我的心情是一樣的部長 我這樣講啦 基本上我就再相信你一次嘛 |
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我再相信一次就是措辭不當可是回到我們今天政策的本身我覺得還是要很多東西要把話講清楚第一個你維持你的道歉這件事情我覺得我接受我還是一樣保持那時候態度的肯定我直接講功夫就是一個被很多人覺得真的是表現不好的電影賣座也不好政府投資慘賠這是三大鐵證 鐵事實 |
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那文化部也不能說今天我有的投資成功 有的投資失敗這也不是個現實 |
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更何況我相信羅廷偉召委其實也列舉細數過我們今天這個文策院的相關的投資到底這個報酬率是如何這都是讓大家公平當然另外一方面你也可以講說報酬不是衡量的唯一標準但是社會怎麼公平那是社會當然去看的那另外台灣Plus的部分我覺得部長的說法跟上次還是有一點點差距但是我還是要提醒部長 |
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事實上台灣Plus的混亂真的不是我一個人在講啦我告訴你 你也知道 我講過了嘛監察院也有意見嘛 對不對立法預算中心也有意見嘛 審計部也有意見嘛不要講國民黨立委有意見連民進黨立委都有人有意見啦那我們要不是因為得到很多外界不分藍綠對於台灣Plus這個災難的意見我今天也不需要拿來質詢部長所以 |
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你知道問題的嚴重性,就不需要去粉飾那知道問題錯在哪裡,承認錯誤還是最好的方式啦你承認錯誤才知道改變的方向啊我舉個例子,就像我們那位總編輯說他是副執行長,我不講,部長我直接跟你講啦那他就當副執行長,專職副執行長,就不要當總編輯啦 |
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那當總編輯副執行長就讓別人做啦我不相信找不到有人可以到美國去幫台灣Plus去談在美國的合作的事情這件事情其實沒什麼好爭辯的因為真沒潛力啦部長你是文化界的人我相信你對媒體也很了解對不對我其實一直在處理跟新聞作業有關的政府的窗口嘛 |
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所以我真的也是沒見過一個總編輯可以在國外海外工作在時差剛好完全相反的情況之下可以去主持編採會議啦然後去決定整個編輯部行政事務的事情所以這件事情其實我今天早上有聽相關的質詢我還是給部長一個建議啦不對就改成說下次不會再有這種事情啦這位總編輯你要叫他回去寫檢討報告都好啦 |
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真的不需要為了他 今天部長沒有這個必要為了這樣的一個總編 坦白講我真的是覺得這位總編輯 我覺得自己要反省你怎麼可以讓這種事情讓你的長官去接受社會大眾的責難你當初提這個要求就不對批示 當然批復到部長這邊來的公事 相關的主管今天竟然准這件事情就是不對這叫common sense ABC |
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那今天大家上來罵李遠部長說這個李遠部長你也是間接而已啊那個所謂的海外派你又不是你批的可是問題來了啊政策是文化部的政策啊所以在政策裡面光這一點出錯態度就是勇於檢討跟反省嘛那我也跟部長拜託一件事情啊我們辦公室要求這個光這一件事情檢討報告 |
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到現在也是呼嚨我啊你們告訴我就請我們這位偉大的總編輯你自己告訴大家舉一個例子哪一個總編輯可以做到你這個樣子海外工作三個月你舉個例子給我聽就好啦所以不管是今天功夫的投資或TimePlus這個事情上 |
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我坦白跟部長講啦 今天我的質詢稿其實寫蠻多的但是一開始你就承認說 你說道歉 你是依然是沒有改變那你對Tarant Plus你要去盯緊他去改革這件事 立場你也沒改變所以我的質詢稿很多東西就不用用了啦但是我希望今天出去之後 兩天後我不會聽到另外一個記者會跟我講說部長又說你又說錯話了不要一直說錯話 這對部長也不好以上 謝謝部長謝謝委員的指教 謝謝 |