| IVOD_ID |
170540 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170540 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-19,35,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-16T12:50:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-16T13:01:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c57864e9296d477560d2ba150c85263e1ac734a26d834dc42c2ededbe271e638a70d2b13d237a2c95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳超明 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:50:42 - 13:01:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：併案審查：
一、 行政院函請審議「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。
二、 本院委員林楚茵等17人擬具「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。
三、 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「強化國防自主暨無人機產業發展條例草案」案。
四、 本院國民黨黨團擬具「國防自主無人載具科技發展及採購條例草案」案。(僅詢答)(以上各案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查)） |
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首先有請我們國防部採購室我們的趙紫潤趙將軍還有國家中山科學院我們的李院長請國防部相關班會 |
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今天沒有請我們國安部顧部長先上台我請教你們幾個問題若依照行政院特別條例的話2100億依照你們的報告說你們要在台灣自主建造濱海雄的偵察機濱海雄的無人機還有濱海的無人潛艇這裡面到底要花了多少錢 |
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這個多少錢還是要依據實際的這個項鍊的需求沒有你大概你說要自主防衛要趕快動員完成2100億如果給你國安部你完成這一些的時候大概要多少時間你才能完成部長剛剛所講的無人機21萬架 |
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好,我們一整群水艇,一千三百噸,大概你的時間要多久才能完成?包委員,這是要依據這個產業的能力,這個都有關?所謂依據產業的能力是怎樣?包委員,這個跟委員長...我現在怎麼問?這個問題,你在台灣支持採購生產的,還是國外採購生產的佔了多少? |
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我為什麼把中科院特別請出來你國安部你的採購是為什麼特別請出來不要部長回答包委員我們現在採購的這三個款項全部都是在地生產在地製造我問你多久能完成 |
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多久完成的部分針對無人機的所以我現在在湊你的話無人機的部分當國民黨民眾黨提出來蔡英將提出來一年四百億六年兩千四百億增加當兩千一百億如果你是在台灣生產的時候那個溝通協調的能力非常重要 |
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但是你中科院跟你國防部的採購室要跟民間來聯繫來溝通來做的話以你們的心態非常的困難我為什麼特別把這一點強調出來 |
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因為在裡面的時候如果把你們正確的意向給跟你們配合的廠商你們溝通能力很差外面願意找到那也不便再講多國防為了保衛人民生命有時候這樣但是在這樣的時間你要去完成 |
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以我個人的名義你沒有辦法我們事實上已經跟產業界做了很好的溝通我們是產業界做了很好的溝通我為什麼講你們不要這樣置信皮尤其怎麼在做的他的無人機怎麼完成的他有分做商用跟經用 |
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沒有大的公司把你們用軟體整個結合起來再去做很困難八號議員我們類似形式供給的無人機機構已經透過我們...我問你你先去八號議員你外部的完成嗎你有準備嗎你為什麼不敢跟我回答你的廠商都準備好了 |
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我再跟你報告一下無人機就是要六年做完無人艇也是在這個時間之內會完成但是我們會以一年一標的方式來執行我跟你講你一年一標的方式一樣那一年給你400億有差別多少 |
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市長你這次怎麼全去8月份也沒了?市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長 |
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聽出來啦,我們都知道這裏面的困難跟協調溝通有多重要你以為這樣就可以有幾樣的事情你們做得很成功你們成功只要對國外採購那就兩千一百億對國外採購你們佔了多少?佔零 |
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全部台湾,好不批评,我就是要有这样的国防部不要到国外,2100亿都没有在国外采购全部在台湾做了,所以讲了要算了,再来作战级计划,参谋处的处长室通讯电子资讯的参谋室,各位将军大家辛苦了 |
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你這些資訊我為什麼點出來因為國網是保護你要跟廠商溝通你的軟體你的晶片設計你要怎樣去溝通你們很大膽的出來這台對溝通的時候你又怕我現在是跟你說我們在執行會碰到的一個問題然後全部你們自己做你們自己發訂單啊你一個 |
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國安部的採購室你中科院要去管到多少工廠這樣就是你管理的來啊那每一個規則都要有一個註定的標準啊你們要想一想那個零件要有多少我是這樣跟你說的不要太有自信你自己說這樣倒倒的再來零件製作人你的工廠要怎樣來設計要很快加工速度 |
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411.575 |
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你看到伊朗地下室你看到烏克蘭的這樣子它是從大陸帶進零件家庭基礎啦那我為什麼特別提出土耳其的一個方式它是有成功因為它有實戰的經驗我們還沒有實戰的經驗你們總理還要預算總人公要的業務我也支持但是先把問題提出來幾年以後不敢講 |
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六年一年四百億,六年剛好把這個產業鏈完成四百億如果經濟有快你也可以特別要求啊你們覺得這樣幾十年開會沒人敢跟你們講話,追蹤的很少保證我為什麼會突然跟你談到這一切其實裡面的溝通各方面的細節要有非常的注意 |
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不是很簡單的意思,一個產業鏈的完成,要試再試,土耳其花了多少錢?他現在無人機算是做得很成功,引為為見。台灣也不要自我驕傲說我們半導體引擎什麼都行, |
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我跟你講土耳其這個成功也是一個借鏡給我們一個學習的機會跟參考的機會我是跟你說要做,做實事不是打高空當非經費起來都是保衛台灣人民的生命財產的安全這個責任很重大 |
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柯委員報告第一個這個案子的不是中科院在主管說跟廠商怎麼樣怎麼樣這個都是由國內的廠商來進行投票的第一點第二點就是說有關相關的這些技術的我們就是希望透過這個大量產單的這個策略來刺激國內廠商能夠來進行整個投票規劃好2100億 |
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你說沒有採購外面的,臺灣這個我完全贊成因為這裡面的商區可以延伸臺灣另外一個富國神山的產業要好好努力趙偉給我再一下,我再來另外問 |
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534.769 |
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你們現在工作報告裡面說聯參針對防衛作戰各階段需求進行長達兩年以上的深入研究並以有名國家共同評估了以後確立整體無人機的系統 |
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564 |
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當然剛剛講到兵來行、自殺行還有那無間的群挺裡面這裡面你們講到最短的時間快速的整建下來所以我一直在強調你們這一點不要以為很簡單,搞不好有頭無尾我問了這個問題我們做無人機以有名國家共同評估為什麼要這樣共同評估我們台灣有台灣的需要 |
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烏克蘭的環境,斯人的環境,伊朗的環境,以色列的環境,每個環境不一樣啊為什麼要與友邦國家共同,還要跟美國協商,我們要怎麼做才可以我是陳磊,可以不用回答 |
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610.286 |
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因為我看了這兩千一百億我記得資料是看了跟美國協商出來的結果還是我們做好了要把文機送給別人另外還有一個我覺得也蠻重要的你的報告裡面說邊則國家大事生死存亡之道但是你裡面的報告裡面又寫出 |
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上市核心機載具將以國軍各類運行友人作戰系統相互協調形成重層兵來打擊網塑造台灣海峽第一個場景不斷的接受敵軍的戰力企圖犯台失敗我裡面塑造台灣海峽第一場景你不是要跟台灣前沿去打仗嗎 |
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不是 這個地域場景是給中共看的不要這麼寫啦 你寫給中共看啦中共比我們更了解 如果大家彼此對視啦你不要把下午台灣啦你寫成塑造台灣海峽地域場景這是美國人講的話餒台灣人不能講這樣的話 還對製造恐怖啊 謝謝我們沒有製造恐怖 我們在製造嚇阻 |
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674.039 |
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674.223 |
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好謝謝陳昌 |