| IVOD_ID |
170527 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170527 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-19,35,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-16T11:44:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-16T11:54:14+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c57864e9296d477531141fd9ac8a7e4e1ac734a26d834dc4cd2db9a171d41d2cb2c76d9d4ef1a3e25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:44:15 - 11:54:14 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：併案審查：
一、 行政院函請審議「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。
二、 本院委員林楚茵等17人擬具「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。
三、 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「強化國防自主暨無人機產業發展條例草案」案。
四、 本院國民黨黨團擬具「國防自主無人載具科技發展及採購條例草案」案。(僅詢答)(以上各案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查)） |
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好謝謝主席我想要請我們何市長顧部長好請經濟部國防部部長早安市長早安其實 |
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我們去年在審這個我們之前在審因應國際情勢的這個經濟社會跟民生國安任性條例裡面好像也曾經把這個就是說經濟部當作主審那但是其他的預算都放進來對不對那所以其實如果把 |
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以經濟部為主審那我相信經濟部也不會太干涉到國防部對於國防自主需求的這樣子的一個規劃那是不是在院會及跨部會的 |
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的流程上面請問兩位首長有什麼樣子的困難嗎應該不會吧跟委員報告其實無人機這個產業在國內不是現在才開始我們在112年就已經在輔導產業界了目前是因為地緣政治還有國防自主 |
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以及這個飛鴻供應鏈在地採購建立這個產能的這樣的一個需要國安部他提出了這樣的一個採購的需求那業者他們需要的就是一個穩定長期的一個訂單我想用這個特別預算來這個保證有一個這樣的一個預算的一個支持那讓業者他能夠投入 |
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這個研發然後進行投資我想這個是我們未來產業它擴大這個規模或是提升產能一個很重要的一個策略我們也是想要藉著這樣子的機會就是全球有一個就是要發展這樣子就是不要購買他們不購買就是中國大陸的無人機 |
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所以臺灣才有這樣的機會所以現在提出這樣的一個特別條例的話就是基於國安部建軍的需要由經濟部這邊來做產業輔導來協助我們廠商建立這樣讓國防部當所有廠商的第一桶金 |
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算是所有廠商的第一桶金嗎廠商目前當然都已經在發展 光部是做最大的作為一個最大的需求單位 所以我們提出一個特別條例那跟委員報告 因為這幾部的法案裡面國民黨跟民眾黨黨提出來都不是特別條例那因為我們提的是特別條例我們特別條例的目的是為了我們後續再提出具體的特別預算來供大院來審查但是 |
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國民黨跟民主黨提的版本並不是一個特別條例所以這兩個限制是不一樣的對 但是顧部長你也必須要了解就是說當台灣要發展這個就是無人機的產業或者無人載具的產業的時候其實在這個肥紅供應鏈裡面我們也面臨到價格的競爭那這過去以來都是經濟部是這個部分的強項那 |
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經濟部你怎麼樣子協助喔因為現在我們面臨到就是價格的問題嘛你怎麼樣協助業者導入自動化生產還有降低成本而不是只是因為如果只是純粹的軍規的採購的時候當然從顧部長的立場他不會在意這個生產成本是否降低而是他在意是否有辦法交單嘛 是不是 |
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那這個部分你經濟部怎麼協調是我跟委員報告其實非紅供應鏈這個是民主整個民主國家現在普遍面臨到的這樣的一個問題那我們用這個特別預算給予長期的訂單而且給予量 |
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那這樣的一個做法可以讓我們國內的廠商他在生產無人機的這個成本上面他可以去降低那再加上我們經濟部做一些產業的輔導給科專預算的這個補助 |
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所以在一些產業技術的缺口上面我們把它補齊然後再加上有一個產業的規模出現的話那我們的成本就可以去降低所以國防部這2100億的需求對廠商來講是非常非常重要的對 國防部的需求很重要所以我們要把它整合到經濟部的這個未來產業發展的這個方面嘛所以我們這個統合領計劃已經在做產業輔導了還有 |
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我想要了解就是國科會他所做的報告裡面我們在電池芯的材料關鍵零組件還是高度的依賴進口那這個部分你剛才也講了我們有五成以上的這個保證那你怎麼樣子做 |
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是 其實我們在電子芯的部分我們也投入很多的一些研發補助然後也透過法人來協助我們國內的產業建築要建立自主 |
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能力包括一些國內的大廠其實他們在這個電池新的開發上面包括台塑這些公司他們都投入在這個領域上面那我想我們的工研院也在發展這方面的一個電池的一個改善的一個技術特別是那種固態電池或是那個快充式的這個電池 |
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這些對未來我們這個國防產業的這個需求是大有幫助而且這些技術都是可以我們彎道超車這個中國大陸的相關的這個技術好 那顧部長不好意思就教一下就是台灣的無人機產業它現在面臨到就是實際應用的這個 |
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的考驗那我想要請問就是針對國內的這個軍方的採購你如何強化就是作戰需求跟民間研發的對接是否你會仿效美國的複製者的計畫 |
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跟委員報告我想這樣第一個就是說先就這個我們作戰需求面的部分我們會跟經濟部合作然後來讓這個廠商能夠了解說我們作戰方面的需求大概是什麼這是第一個第二個就是採購之後我們現在也不是說一次就把採購完我們會分年分批採購那在這個分年分批採購的當下我們成立一個平台 |
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所以我們每次的這個戰演訓的時候會進行回饋說這個好不好用那還有沒有在改進的地方那同時我們也會依據國外可能說二五戰爭他們使用的一個場景實際的場景我會回饋到這個平台上面那這個平台上面我們也會更進一步 |
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那個合作然後包括公園院也好中科院也好他們都可以來就這個平台上面所進行的這些需求面也好然後要缺改面也好我們來進行這樣子的一個平台的設計然後讓這個廠商理解那如果廠商能夠 |
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再快速的進行他們不管是缺改的一個一個更正或者是一個更迭代的一個創新的一個納入那我們就會後續我們的採購案裡面他把它放在最有利標裡面他作為一個加分的項目等等這樣子的一個迭代創新才能夠因應無人載具的快速的發展這樣的採購策略但前提是前提是他現在要看得到他明年他還有 |
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還有後年還有大後年如果放在年度預算裡面他今年是這樣子那我們就沒有辦法要求有一個迭代創新的要求我們也沒辦法透過長單的規模來讓他願意進行投資那對可是你有沒有先給予他們就是長期就是場域的這樣子的一個驗證機會就是軟體這個驗證的機制現在由行政院 |
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的層級做跨部會的協調因為這涉及到不是只有國安部、經濟部還有交通部其他還有相關各部會都已經在因為其實因為顧部長你也知道不管是如何在立法院我們就是審過是條例喔那未來這個預算其實還是由就是行政院來編列然後就是要會同你們各部會喔 |
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才會決定喔那所以這個部分業者也需要一個實際的場域的還有未來我們怎麼樣子增加就是說無人機使用整個系統性的這樣子的一個問題喔那我覺得這個部分也要請顧部長就我理解我們國防部參與的行政院層級的在水面的採聚無人機的採聚還有這個甚至水價都在研討這個測試的場域 |
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其實我還有一點就是關於美國國防授權法的889條的限制對於供應鏈的治安合規要求這會增加中小企業的營業成本這也要請經濟部來協助好不好因為這個由速發部他們會來好不好經濟部跟速發部是不是對速發部會來做治安的檢測好謝謝 |