| IVOD_ID |
170523 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170523 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-16T11:11:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-16T11:28:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c57864e9296d47753749027f75a6ef13769602a34423c74fcd2db9a171d41d2ce319f0192663703a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐欣瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:11:53 - 11:28:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請內政部部長、警政署署長、法務部次長就「115年11月28日地方公職人員選舉選務維安勤務工作規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。二、邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員、內政部部長、警政署署長、法務部次長、數位發展部、國家通訊傳播委員會就「115年11月28日地方公職人員選舉選務整備、選務中立、假訊息因應作為與公民投票選務辦理情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。三、繼續審查委員羅智強等18人擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。四、繼續審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「公民投票法第二十一條及第四十三條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員葉元之等19人擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。六、審查委員廖偉翔等16人擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。七、審查委員賴士葆等25人擬具「公民投票法第二十一條條文修正草案」案。） |
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好謝謝主席本席首先請我們內政部次長次長我也好次長我本來是要 |
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詢問部長,但是您代表部長,我們看到你們內政部的報告,針對我們接下來的地方公職人員選舉,這個是非常重要台灣民主的基石,整個選舉過程一定要公平、公正、公開。 |
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那我們在內政部報告書中特別強調內政部的報告說警政署已經要求各警察局成立了假訊息查處小組要依據行政院的惡假害惡意還有虛假造假然後危害的標準來積極偵辦假訊息 |
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那本席在這邊要很嚴肅的請教您你們是不是正在把第一線的基層員警推上政治審查與言論法官的火線他們哪裡有辦法去做這個判定除了有一些有啦比如說說哪個候選人出了車禍其實沒有或者是他生重病這個可以但是有很多像是言論自由可受公平的這個部分 |
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那我們第一層的員警他有什麼能力在幾小時內做出判斷是 |
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好 我想跟委員先報告 等一下我不讀的部分我再請我們警政署來解說你們盡快 簡答好 那我想第一個因應這次的選舉那這個部分當然各地方的選務我們的警察同仁本來就是有關查查會選的部分就是他本來應辦的工作那這一次有關如果說有像假訊息假訊息這一塊假訊息這一塊 這個低層的基層員警 |
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他有些牽扯到言論自由我剛剛有舉例嘛有些他可以判定的那今天基層員警我們也擔心一個情況就是如果對某特定候選人他的言論他都判定這個是言論自由對另一方的候選人就這個所講的就馬上澄清說不對這是假訊息 |
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這個很危險啦這次選戰你這個推給第一層員警有些這種惡意有害跟合理質疑的這個界線連法官檢察官可能都要花幾個月審理可是現在你們在報告裡寫交給第一層員警這個我們覺得這很可怕 |
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是 那委員我是不是請我們署長來做一些所以我們如何來進行 請你簡要跟委員報告絕對不是基層員警來判斷那誰判斷有正義的專責小組就是每個機關有專責小組那現在要提的就是你現在專責小組我也擔心啊你那專責小組的判決這個假訊息 |
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要配合主管機關去做釐清他的這個主責的是哪一個機關有他們機關會繼續判有的不是在內政部的這個範圍有的是在其他部會有主管機關會認定這個的訊息的真實性是什麼有主管機關那委員剛剛提的很好有一些就是說可能就是言論自由 |
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那就他內容裡面他的那個界限你怎麼辦他的界限他的內容裡面是不是要違反相關法律的規定就是他講的內容通常選戰我們太有經驗通常選戰沒有什麼規範所以好沒關係因為這一題太久了所以我這邊要要求啦我們內政部請你重新評估假訊息不帶偵查終結就發布新聞澄清的規範你們一定要有 |
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對整個你們人家報警或是警察單位你一定要有一個具體規範其實我覺得你們連規範都很難我簡單講假訊息一定是下架重新 |
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下架澄清但是我們現在就擔心警察機關在選前關鍵時刻成為某單方面打壓特定陣營言論的政治工具沒有維護行政中立這是最擔心的 |
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現在就是我們還研究到可能是從境外的這個狀況進來的沒關係 我跟你討論我覺得你們是不是可以盡快給出這個規範好不好我們要訂出來我們也必須要很清楚接著還有很重要更重要的 |
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我看你們不只假訊息審查有問題你們的身為影音見識本席在這裡也要肯定我們在內政委員會從兩年前每一次中選會來還有內政部來我們都一再的 |
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強調現在AI身為影音的判定太重要了所以我可以先肯定你們的是你們開始有作為包括速發補那這裡呢我要特別先對你們說你們報告上面寫依據選罷法第51條之3規定候選人如果發現被身為AI身為抹黑可以向警察機關申請鑑識可是 |
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本席在這邊要揭穿你們這天大謊言你們刑事局有鑑識設備但是我請教你全國五合一的選舉有多少候選人那這個AI審委出現以後他們一定是跟在地的派出所跟分局來報案可是我們發現中央有技術基層沒招數你這個基層的派出所跟分局你要怎麼去判定 |
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請回答跟我們報告因為受理之後我們行事局的一個深為深為的鑑識的一個軟體的工具那目前就是說一個案大概就是四個小時內大概就可以了解到這個這個相關的這個真假剛剛有委員你有問到嗎 |
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那我想我沒注意所以不是只有我們這個機關可以做身為包括調查局也會有這樣的調查局你們找調查局調查局會不會說這是你們的事不會不會不會因為在法務部底下大概我們除了內政部的寫字局法務部的調查局大概也都有這樣的一個可以可以我繼續追問那你現在 |
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五合一的選舉你知道候選人有多少那你們現在到底配置在哪裡你是包括直轄市跟每個縣市的派出所還是每個分局都有你告訴我我們在刑事局全部在刑事局所以所有全國各派出所都要彙整到你刑事局請你刑事局來判定那OKOK那我就請教我們是有一個通報機制啦好對但是 |
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這一個部分你們有沒有考量到這個到選前特別像這種AI身為很多都會在什麼時候出現過去的選舉沒有AI的時候就已經有假造了你們都看過所以我現在就要確認你到最後一週七天 |
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全國一天上來幾百件 你怎麼辦我們會準備好了那你怎麼準備啊 你具體的講給我們聽啊就是相關的設備跟人員我們部分會準備好 |
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相關你只有這一句話表示你們還沒準備好因為我們沒請到你知道上一次8年前的2018的這個也是五合一的選舉他是公投綁大選結果他是投票塞車你們這個更可怕在選前整個的這種 |
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AI身為這種假影音假訊息的這個整個影響整個的選舉結果這個會對台灣民主造成很大的問題那你們怎麼準備好你現在跟我講我們真的聽不到不是 我跟委員報告就是這個部分當然也是今年我們一個工作很大的一個重點不管是假訊息或身為於的所以全部在刑事局 速發部有協助嗎沒有跨部會行政鍛鍊 |
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我們有協助加速的部分所以現在的話你們協助刑事警察局嗎協助刑事警察局跟平台去下架快速一點你們是協助下架我現在光講到我們的報案如果 |
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幾千件一次來因為全國你要知道我也不要假設啦不要假設所以你覺得不會有我想就是說包括佛和部內政部跟速發今年都會處理這一個假訊或語音會那大概第一時間當然有甚快就是這個發現是一個身為語音速發我們通報的話這個平台月頭就馬上就會下架你現在是告訴我你的流程我都聽得很清楚 |
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那我說的是一次來大塞車我們無法判定啊新竹縣搞不好就三十起新北新北來一次來個三百件你怎麼辦 |
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那這個發生怎麼辦我就講8年前光是投票排隊沒有預設結果就發生了我們會準備有能力來處理的沒關係那我們就請你們能不能提出對我們整個 |
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這個進入選戰之後我們受理身為鑑識的整個標準作業程序包含你們碰到很大量資訊的時候你們可以在你們可以自己講嘛比如說一天假設有50件我不要講那麼多那50件你怎麼處理100件你怎麼處理好不好我們希望能看到這個好那接下來本席要請 |
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我們你們先回座本席請中選會好不好中選會主委 |
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選舉開票業你的電腦計票系統以及計票資訊查詢網站 |
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向來這個會是境外敵對勢力還有駭客發動認知作戰以及DDOS你大概知道分散式的阻斷服務攻擊的他們的最高目標價值目標所以你們在報告中有寫你們在今年的4月23號完成的計票系統的委外招標 |
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而且配合庶發部資安院要在7月進行政府庶位任性巡航作業來做資安的見解那本席請庶發部也上來請問這個庶位任性巡航做了沒你說7月要做現在7月中了我們請兩個單位到底做了沒這在報告裡講的對這個主要要藉助庶發部的這方面的專長對啊你們做了沒來庶發部請說做了沒 |
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跟委員報告 我們回去了解一下 因為這個不是在市團署怎麼在報告裡寫了 結果這是中選會的報告寫喔中選會 做了沒 做了沒7月份啊 正在準備什麼 正在準備天啊 我們請那個負責 天啊 好啦老師還沒做 沒關係 還沒做我請那個 我們負責這部分業務的好 來 來 很簡短的來說明一下 好不好 |
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報告委員這個速發部治安院已經在7月就上週已經辦理這個數位的巡航作業就我們的這個地方公職委員選舉的電腦計票作業系統及這個支票資訊的系統已經做完成見解了已經完成了對 已經到我們會裡面來完成這個巡航的作業但是他們報告還沒提出來好 所以做完了那這樣 |
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本席想知道如果已經做了請問有沒有在整個這個系統中呢發掘出多少項漏洞有沒有他報告還沒出來還沒出來但是我們在跟治安院在接觸的過程中目前看起來是沒有什麼太多沒有什麼問題沒有什麼問題這個聽起來還不錯好那沒關係那本席繼續問那如果我們發現中選會跟訴發部之間的 |
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817.562 |
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830.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
資安全則界限模糊那現在本席假設一個情況那如果在計票的當天晚上整個被癱瘓的時候那請問這個時候誰來負責是中選會負責還是速發部負責 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
839.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
849.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
整個計票網站被癱瘓啊或是你整個數據異常被推延整個延遲發生這種情況請問誰是誰的權責我在這裡請教報告委員這個計票的系統我們是採用這個封閉系統所以計票系統是不會有被癱瘓的這個情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
861.255 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
888.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
我們沒有公開的網站網站的話我們是有對外我剛是講計票網站計票網站是一個對外的查詢的資訊那如果有這個遭受攻擊的話其實我們還有多種管道我們有直播的作業不會讓計票的資訊的呈現產生中斷所以你說你真實計票是內部內部的也不可能被攻擊嗎也不會啊 |
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888.642 |
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914.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
計票系統是封閉系統我們不會被攻擊封閉系統的意思嗎沒有等於你們報回來你們自己在內部確定嗎你確定計票系統是封閉的網路封閉的網路然後對外的才對外的那是你已經出來的才完成就對了 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
915.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
936.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
計票資訊的網站對外的呈現是有連網路的好那所以那一個網站如果被受攻擊有問題或是癱瘓最多就是暫停那這一個部分的權責是誰我們會做好的這個依照這個資訊安全的規矩 |
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937.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
953.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
而且那個也會影響整個對外的整個那一天開票的情況對我們會做好最好的演練那如果萬一有這樣的情況的話其實我們有多方面的管道可以對外呈現這個計票的計票程序繼續在進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
956.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
978.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
你們有那個異地重建備援系統我們有備援系統然後異地重建我們有異地 異地好OK那如果有的話那還不錯所以我們大家一起我們就是不希望我們的整個選舉是台灣民主的基石所以我們不希望有任何讓大家不信任的情況好 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
981.874 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
997.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
那再来本席再请教这个这个主委跟束发布那我们这边刚刚讲到AI申委讯息通报那这个部分如果这个好OK |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
1009.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1012.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
好 没关系那我想到这边好了好 谢谢 |