| IVOD_ID |
170522 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170522 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-16T11:02:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-16T11:11:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c57864e9296d4775292ced85809e26e9769602a34423c74fcd2db9a171d41d2ce319f0192663703a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:02:21 - 11:11:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請內政部部長、警政署署長、法務部次長就「115年11月28日地方公職人員選舉選務維安勤務工作規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。二、邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員、內政部部長、警政署署長、法務部次長、數位發展部、國家通訊傳播委員會就「115年11月28日地方公職人員選舉選務整備、選務中立、假訊息因應作為與公民投票選務辦理情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。三、繼續審查委員羅智強等18人擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。四、繼續審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「公民投票法第二十一條及第四十三條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員葉元之等19人擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。六、審查委員廖偉翔等16人擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。七、審查委員賴士葆等25人擬具「公民投票法第二十一條條文修正草案」案。） |
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主席我們請中學會主委 |
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主委先來問一下,因為今年的年底可能會大選綁公投我看到主委呼籲,一個恰恰好,兩個有點多,三個受不了主委同時也幫2018年中選會的同仁報區,因為那個時候10個民間的連署通通成案 |
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我覺得你現在等於是幫公投設了一個框架就是好像是說 唉 公投就不要太多太多我們中選會受不了所以可能會出現2018的狀況我自己是覺得這有點陰夜沸石啦就是按照民進黨過去推公投的那種強烈的動機啊 |
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過去民進黨的前輩為了公投 哇這個上街頭然後那麼努力在推結果現在居然說因為中選會可能負荷不了所以呢 哎呀公投就不要太多我現在還沒有講到公投的實質內容我覺得這樣的態度 陰也非死就好比說不要出車禍 大家不要開車就好 |
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重點應該是中選會怎麼去針對假設你就是要料理也不是料理什麼就是說你要想說可能會很多我中選會怎麼去解決這個問題而不是說因為會很多所以你們最好少投一點這個不是民主國家應有的思維方式啦所以我覺得這個主委可能您要解決這個問題不是叫大家少提一點而是說怎麼去想辦法就行政上面來解決這個主委不知道您怎麼看 |
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我覺得把所有問題歸之於行政這叫做行政萬能這個可能也不見得對啦那就是政府的問題啦就像現在有的問題你說我們政府能力不足啊你不能怪政府你也見多識廣我舉一個例子當Katrina摧毀那個美國的大城市叫什麼New OrleansKatrina摧毀New Orleans的時候要怪 |
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New Orleans這個整個建築太差嗎整個這個水道這個設備不好嗎人民這個 我要講就是說 |
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十項公投這個是可以說百年一役啦要等到什麼時候還有整個社會沸騰等一下周委你有一點搞錯我問的方向我現在不是在講2018誰對誰錯啦我現在是講說如果這一次就算有很多公投中選會的態度應該是就行政補強就像你舉天災例子嘛921那個天災過去的建築法規的規定很多房子可能在房政要求沒有那麼高 |
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後來我們也更改法規啊所以現在防證要求是多的啊那你2018發生這樣的事情那你現在如果面對一樣公投的數量我中學會怎麼去因應嘛而不是告訴大家說三個我受不了啦所以你們少提點你不能這樣啦 |
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我們現在我們從2004年開始才有公投綁大選嘛之前通通沒有嘛我所說的就是說我們如何汲取2018的慘痛的經驗教訓 |
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好像只能提三個一樣不然我就受不了啦我是在建議我建議啦你這受不了了大家就會覺得我覺得社會應該思考這個問題不要光想這個公投如何如何或者是選務如何如何現在是兩個結論 |
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我是覺得該提就提啦該提就提 那中選會就是要因應 這第一個點第二點 我看到民進黨的我們站在選委的立場 我們必須要很客觀的來告訴我們第二點啦 我已經表達了 那主委我希望您可以聽進去第二個就是 我看到民進黨的黨團說說現在在野黨提很多公投啊 中選會要嚴格把關啊要嚴審啊什麼 下指導旗啊 |
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這個主委你會受到民進黨黨團的壓力嗎我們絕對超然公正中立中學生大家要期待客觀然後再來我想延續上一次我跟你們的詢答因為今天我們在討論是選舉的秩序我們最近一次大選就是去年的罷免我就舉去年罷免的案例 |
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那這個案例我上次也問過 你們請警政署一起上來好不好我就用這個案例來詢問 假設這一次發生一樣的事情這個是 講一下 這是上一次罷免的時候 在我那個選區出現的狀況在投開票所外 就有看到應該這是罷團的志工 或是罷團我不知道啦謝謝你們 然後放了一個這個LOGO 右下角那個LOGO那個LOGO是什麼呢 我幫大家回顧一下 這就是罷免娃娃 |
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罷免娃娃在投票當天投開票所外面舉牌子放的是罷免娃娃這很清楚這就好比說郵主以前選舉過嗎你可不可以叫你的志工在投票當天放你的照片 |
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也許不寫游鷹籠 但是呢就放你的照片可以這樣子嗎那一天主委給我的答案是模擬兩可模擬兩可 說啊這個我們要查一下啊看一下這個什麼離投開票所多近啊 不敢回答 |
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但是後來你們有回文啊你們回文有一點就寫得非常清楚公職人員選舉罷免法第56條第二款規定政黨及任何人不得在投票日從事競選、助選或罷免活動很顯然在投開票所外面放罷免娃娃這是不是活動?是不是選舉活動?主委是不是? |
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當然是啊是好那我為什麼請警政署來呢因為那一天這個事情呢我的支持者有當下去報警 |
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我想問署長 正常的SOP如果今天有人選舉然後他的志工在投票當天放他的照片在投票標準門口如果有人報警 警察到現場怎麼處理那我們會了解這個現場的狀況 授證完之後會不會辦我們有選監小組跟檢察官我們會依法來授證會不會辦嗎會處理那你知道那一天怎麼處理嗎 |
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警察到了現場說確認一下沒有什麼問題請他離開可以這樣子嗎 |
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剛剛主委已經講了 主委說這個很明顯是有選舉行為 也有報警了 警察到現場說沒有問題請他離開我們應該是會依法處理 那為什麼沒有依法處理你去查一下這個有沒有立案好不好 就是沒有啊 就沒有嘛所以這就一個很明顯的放水嘛 大免的放水 |
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那如果今年1128我就問啦1128那如果又有候選人做一樣的狀況有人報警警察到現場一樣看一看沒有請他離開嗎會這樣子嗎 |
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還是會立案那我們一定會依法來處理啦依法嘛 那是怎麼樣是依法嘛 請他離開叫依法還是說至少要留一下名字然後請公主會討論一下這個有沒有有沒有選舉的行為然後再做出一個處分有問題的處分或沒問題的處分 是怎麼樣 |
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是 那因為這個有牽涉到可能就是我現在簡單講一下啦就是說選票法的規定裡面投票票所當時有30公尺內移內移內的跟以外的這個行為啦這個是另外的問題你不能在離投票當中那遇到這個狀況如果說因為看到這個狀況如果說是瞬間來有經過勸導有經過制止他已經就離開沒有這個行為那當然可能就是有一些 |
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主委我現在講的是當天能不能從事選舉活動如果今天有一個人他PO了一個臉書要現場選舉當天他的志工說請自治調查然後你勸導他他嚇下來他就沒事了嗎依選報法的規定是不能從事這些的規定不行嘛對嘛那為什麼沒有就是請他離開呢為什麼那我們應該是會沒有就沒有嘛不然你先去查嘛好啦我們來了解對不對我再秀一下照片給你看好不好幫我再秀一下 |
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542.045 |
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投票當天謝謝你們放一個罷免娃娃謝謝你們投罷免嘛那這個警察就請他離開了主委請問一下中選會主委是可以這樣子嗎這個就是哪個案不要說今年到11月28號一樣對不對拿一個照片然後說你趕快離開趕快離開我當面看到就好可以這樣子嗎 |
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543.055 |
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557.851 |
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那我們今天我們也已經正式新聞給你我們的態度不可以嘛所以這就是執行面的問題嘛那署長請你去了解一下好了那希望128不要再出現類似的狀況可以嗎好 謝謝署長 |