| IVOD_ID |
170507 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170507 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-19,35,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-16T10:44:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-16T10:54:41+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c57864e9296d477501d22f7b874c4e9c1ac734a26d834dc4a4701c14be3154052b84f17dd0fda0a55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:44:37 - 10:54:41 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：併案審查：
一、 行政院函請審議「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。
二、 本院委員林楚茵等17人擬具「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。
三、 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「強化國防自主暨無人機產業發展條例草案」案。
四、 本院國民黨黨團擬具「國防自主無人載具科技發展及採購條例草案」案。(僅詢答)(以上各案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查)） |
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好 那接下來我們請王逸川委員質詢好 謝謝主席 我們請經濟部次長還有國防部顧部長請經濟部和次跟顧部長王委員好 |
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好 我先請教經濟部這次國民黨跟民眾黨提出來的相關的版本有哪一些條文哪一些精神是你們可以納進去或者說你們已經在做或者在這個統籌型計畫裡頭你們已經在執行了是 |
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跟委員報告那也謝謝國民黨跟民眾黨的黨團他們對無人機產業輔導的這個重視那其實這一部分的一些內容我們在無人機產業發展的統修型計畫裡面都已經納進來了而且這是跨部位的合作 |
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那也就是說我們許多的一些輔導的工作是由經濟部來主導但是有很多的配套包括資安包括我們需要飛行的這個場域的測試還有相關的這些評估是相關的一些這個規範這些都是由相關部會簡單講就是說這個兩黨提出來的這些版本相關的精神或者是提出來的做法 |
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已經都在你們經濟部在統籌型計畫裡頭都涵蓋進來了這樣代表你們過去做的人沒有信心人家有信心看到統籌型計畫他們就不會提啦所以這個還要再努力不然人家說你們的輔導做得不好什麼做得不好這個要加油 請問現在整機的出口 |
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大家看到我們去年是0.93沒關係這數字都知道我的意思是說既然這兩個黨提出來的版本有些條文啊如果你們認為這個應該要更加強在你們統籌型計畫或後續推動你們有很多的聯盟嘛大家就會來推動的時候 |
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把他放進去讓國民黨跟民眾黨可以放心這不會說看起來沒信心所以提這個要把他法治化這第一個 第二個 次長我再請教這秋霜啊買的是頂端還是要補助啊到人家開公司 說我這間公司開了就是要捏補助的 |
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其實應該是說有穩定的訂單然後看得到的訂單 這個我想現在是廠商最需要的然後穩定的訂單 或者是顧部長提到這個長單這有出來之後 他可能也會去融資導租新的設備 |
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新的廠房 它才有信心嘛啊你如果是說一年一年變400億 大家就說有時候有 有時候沒有時候清的到 有時候清不到有時候二十到九年都還沒過 還沒年代過這樣很不穩定的情況之下 現在中小企業 你要叫他們落職下去去跟他們借錢 他可能也緊張緊張啦 |
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好 所以這個穩定的這個訂單啊我相信是比較重要的好 我接著請到國安部柏立法 你們這一個條例裡頭很明確 |
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很明確你們就是要採購三件事情 對吧 尖針型無人機 濱海攻擊型無人機 小型自殺無人艇就是三大類別嘛 對不對 是好 那這一些跟我們前一陣子啊 1.25兆的這個條例裡頭被砍掉的那四千多億有沒有相關啊 |
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我們原來確實是有在我們的特別前次的特別條例裡面有編列要採購的這些相關的國防自主無人載具的這個項目就包括特別是在自主的這個部分那有一些我們會編列在其他的包括我們今年的年度預算跟追加預算裡面 |
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但就明年的年度預算或者是今年就是要預算我們會再來嚴釐相關部分但是我們對於這些能夠創造國防自主振興的一個產業鏈的建構我們認為用特別預算的方式是比較適合部長這個上次砍掉了那些無人機的錢我相信韓國瑜院長不管帶團到英國法國帶團到美國 |
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所有國外的這些國會議員包括他們的相關的部門啊都在問台灣被砍掉的那些無人機相關無人載具的預算什麼時候會補回來這個在場的不管是個哪一個政黨去的代表都說會會會所以你們提了這2100億大概就是要把這件事情補回來我這樣講有錯嗎 |
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特別是就我們能夠建立一個自主的費用供應鏈的這一塊我們要把它補回來好那今天這個國民黨有提出了一個版本那那個版本裡頭大概它也有一部分是說要採購的有一部分是要發展產業 兩種錢混在一起談這如果版本通過 國安部叫經濟部 |
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你們有辦法變醫生嗎 你們要怎麼分啊2400除以2等於1200 還是2400這你們有想法嗎 還是這通過了你真的沒辦法處理因為你們2100億很明確就是那三類你們會算出2100億就那三類各採購多少你們算過大概預算才會保住2100億這個數字嘛 |
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那現在如果通過是這2400億包括這些產業的,不然你跟國人說一下,這如果真的通過就對了,叫國民黨的班分通過啦這要到國安部的時候,國安部會跟行政院什麼建議,行政院說你跟歐洲編議上的時候,你會怎麼樣來處理這些顆粒 |
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我當然第一個是認為就是說在立法上面裡面匡列然後限制說我們所有的無人載具就是也包括居民共用測試場域還有什麼產業聚落期中小企業特別服務等等就是限定在400億這個部分一年的400億然後一年的400億然後將它匡列在這個條例裡面並不是一個適切的做法因為 |
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要怎麼樣編列預算來納入如果是要納入年度預算的話那年度預算的這個規模每年都不一樣那有多少的部分要分配到我們國防部的國防預算裡面那也要依據我們作戰的需求來加以來考量編列 |
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那現在說一個400億但是他也沒有講得很清楚說這400億哪些部分的資用的一個像這剛剛講的那三個項目到底應該是哪些佔多少錢他並沒有說明得非常的清楚那這樣子的話那我覺得 |
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我覺得最大的問題應該是說我們每年的所有的國防自主的無人載具會隨著時代的演進會有很大的不同我舉個例子我們現在2114包括 |
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也就是兩款的無人機一款的自殺無人艇對不對那我們接下來可能還有地面的無人載具我們還有水下的無人載具這些如果都在這個國民黨的自主的無人載具的科技發展跟採購條例裡面他就限縮你所有的無人載具就只有這些那還要跟經濟部去協調來做分配我覺得無論如何 |
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沒有辦法能夠切切的去展望我們未來能夠執行真的會有自然難行的部分那採購的部分我們現在提出光不是提出就是他比較明確就是這建森型的攻擊型的無人機跟無人艇 |
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那就這個部分我們就把它很明確的匡列住嘛那但是無人載具的部分的發展是日新月異的像我們現在也同時也要用小批量採購來驗證地面的無人載具我們現在也在進行研發這個水下無人載具那這個部分沒有辦法被限制住啦我覺得立法院也不宜限制住行政院編列的預算的權利 |
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好 我想今天這個 你在這邊的答詢包括韓國瑜院長 撮團去參加過的這些人都知道啦齁那同時跟答應什麼東西 跟承諾什麼東西 跟保證什麼東西這個國家大家都在看啦 美國也在看 英國也在看 法國也在看包括中國也在看 |
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所以我想今天國安部的立場非常清楚就是兩千一百億來採購這三類無人載具的這一些裝備、設備來充實我們的國防實力那請國安部繼續加油阿你那個經濟部齁,人家在問你,你如果卡卡的,對你沒信心說要再編一段立法起來齁,這個你們要加油 |
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好不好不然大家說要互打該互打的不好繼續加油好不好好謝謝好謝謝王逸川委員接下來有請 |