| IVOD_ID |
170498 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170498 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-19,35,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-16T09:35:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-16T09:46:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c57864e9296d47759dca7be009ac8ede1ac734a26d834dc4b699012f2e5216e503c53ec228b776055ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:35:36 - 09:46:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：併案審查：
一、 行政院函請審議「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。
二、 本院委員林楚茵等17人擬具「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。
三、 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「強化國防自主暨無人機產業發展條例草案」案。
四、 本院國民黨黨團擬具「國防自主無人載具科技發展及採購條例草案」案。(僅詢答)(以上各案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查)） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請國防部的顧部長還有經濟部的何次長一起好了請國防部經濟部是 二位好來 部長這個不只這樣你們跟這個執政黨會員們呢大家唱說聚焦喔其實重要 |
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來講不是什麼要一邊一邊特別預算 重要就是要不要幫助無人機產業很重要加兩個字喔 加四個字 技術升級 這個才重要沒有錯 現在已經有無人機產業了 台灣怎麼說 說到我們才通過了 |
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經濟部補助了442億幫助無人機五年 未來的五年然後呢 說我們去年的產值129億這個比前年成長2.5倍外銷成長27倍台灣無人機產業早就有了啊今天這是要怎樣這個等於是我們很少特別醫生這樣子啦編了直接給廠商這錦上添花嘛 |
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我就問部長馬上有一個問題就出現了無人機有兩百六十幾架請問你按照你要買二十一萬架是不是二十一萬台都是無人機嗎 |
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21萬架的無人機,還有1300多艘的無人艇對,21萬架的無人機,1300多架的無人艇無人艇這一部分,等一下會講,無人機的這一部分 |
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請問你 你大概會分成幾包啦得到標的廠商大概幾家我們原則上就是每年會一標嘛然後會採公開招標的方式公開招標最有力標有沒有限制性標沒有 就最有力標 然後複數決標 |
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好 那就問你投標的資格有沒有限制我想投標的資格我們會依據相關的政府採購法政府採購法規定還有積極資格 消極資格他要做過這一方面的大家現在擔心的是什麼擔心的是現在最近在講的啊會不會過去一個茶葉山來飆啦又飆到啦 |
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家庭裝潢的標也標到了 炸藥也標也標到了大家擔心的是這個部長你怎麼樣去排除他不是這個行業的人不知道透過什麼關係或者透過因為他是綠油油的企業就可以得這個標 怎麼樣防止這個事情 |
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委員好我是國防採購室主任向委員報告我們第一個原則一定是依據政府採購法剛剛委員所講的廠商的資格當然廠商的資格第一個是基本資格那基本資格我們原則上因為時間短 |
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特殊資格我講特殊資格不能亂電因為亂電就會不當限制廠商不當限制廠商或土地廠商那你回答我吧我們是依據貨案的特性需要還有市場傷情情況來 你要告訴我們你這個是趙明軒哥告訴我們怎麼樣防止外界 |
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擔心的無人機又是要土地特定的廠商 擔心這個問題 怎麼來這是防幣的問題 防幣我想應該是從定的價格 尤其是規格規格基本上是依據我們作戰需求 但是作戰需求合不合於市場行情 我們是會先公開徵求 |
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公開越來那你回答我大概幾個廠商會得票嘛反正你是市長是不是因為我實在有限我沒辦法很抱歉你要打斷我你講什麼你講你包容誰多啦你給我背教科書讓我有時間喔你回答我大概幾家廠商會得票 |
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這個目前 不得而知當然知道啊 怎麼不知道呢那你跟我們要兩千兩千多億是什麼要的 當然知道說我大概發給幾家廠商 很好算二十一萬家的無人機如果一個廠商可以 很好算嘛一萬台 那就二十一家廠商所有 我想這個所有國內廠商都有資格來參標我就告訴你啊 |
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部長 兩位長官啊我能記得廠商有兩百六十幾家 核次長很清楚的當我沒有得到標的時候 我連標的資格都沒有的時候他心裡一定是XXX Why not me?我為什麼不Qualify?我為什麼把它被你們Screen out?這問題在這裡啊你要想一個馬上就有人講 Why not me? |
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為什麼不是我我如果跟你們參與競標 我輸了 認了結果現在連標的資格都沒有因為你們在這個標案的資格你們就會去掉一些 就會放一些條件在裡面保委員 絕對不會有這種情形好 還是不會喔尤其是公開我們就講喔 壞媽咪今天我要跟你講 |
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我們有兩百六十幾家的無人機廠商我相信得標的不會超過五十家其他的兩百多家一定這樣 看來六百三還有咧 其他的廠商咧跟委員報告就是說他因為要整機交付嘛可是剛剛提到的這些每一家廠商都有他的一個優點但是最後要有一個系統整合能夠整機交付 |
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所以他有...系統整合的能夠做的廠商沒幾家喔系統的整合的廠商就是他要去統合所有其他不管是飛控、通訊、光電、導航、看干擾等等這些廠商他們有相關的能力然後他們自然會對我們相關的公告的這些規格進行投標因為我時間快到了齁我跟你講齁你給我回答一個問題 |
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我問了幾個專家 說你要買的無人機21萬架裡面真正的High-end所謂High-end就是Low-endHigh-end是自動導航 還有其他的我就不細講了因為這個太多是有技術問題的High-end只有2000架左右 2000台左右其他都比較是Low-end所以 |
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怎麼樣讓台灣的無人機產業技術升級變得非常重要這就是為什麼我要提無人機的產業技術升級這就是我們為什麼要提出特別預算的原理沒有啊因為特別預算有一個成本有一個成本的一個效應那麼我們你們買到這一般的無人機啊 |
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我們軍規的標準不管在剛剛所提到的飛控、通訊、光電導航跟看到的上面我們訂一個規格然後這個規格我們會根據商情然後我們來逐步引導他迭代創新這個就是長單的效應假設你今天沒有一個長單你今天訂了一個規格那旁邊不知道有沒有那就沒有一個迭代創新的一個驅動力啊 |
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一個特別預算或者一個無人機的發展預算各自表述你們一定要特別預算我們一定要一般預算那我們寫個組決議就解決啦我們寫個組決議如果通過是2400、2500、2600不管whatever然後我們就想說未來幾年一定要花這個錢 |
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就結束了 按照國際上通過我覺得我們的重點就是我們一定要排紅啦然後我們要讓我們的廠商能夠升級然後跟國際合作藉由非常長暫的效應造成這樣子的一個自主的一個無人載具的一個重點非常重要的一個理念啊我請教你啊美國就在昨天還是前天MDAA 國防授權法 |
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在明年的時候那個十億美金我們沒有因為他們被參議院否決了 |
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這個事情原來2026年的時候就我的了解NDA包括裡面很多很多議題那這些他們現在所談論的這些相關的課題呢應該就我了解跟這個是無關的因為他們在其他的部分有爭議那NDA所涉及到的相關的事項相當的多啦不用了不用了2026年他要給我們10億叫我們買無人機喔叫我們發展無人機用這個10億喔 |
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你沒放進來?沒有叫我們說要買無人機有啊有啊你去讀一讀條文報告委員如果您去看一下那個去年2026 NDA裡面講的是協助我們提升軍用醫療以及無人機發展那個彈藥庫儲等相關的東西以及無人機發展然後來一個我們覺得很奇怪是你們來來來最後一個那個部長啊 |
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578.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
606.686 |
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我看到什麼中央社會的報導說高層官員我相信是國防部的官員向日經亞洲透露我計劃從中科院替海巡署買25艘的無人艇兩艘的無人水下機這個為什麼不是海巡市買來來來 講一下中科院整形怎麼樣海巡是按照中科院設置條例委制給中科院來採購 |
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608.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
627.925 |
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我跟你們講喔部長講說我們要買1300台的無人艇因為這個中科院現在做了要到明年才有pro type才有第一艘的原型艦嘛對不對pro type會在今年就獲得今年那也是一台而已啊量產可以可以 |
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628.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
646.179 |
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不會只有一台來 那個院長我最後一句話你們要注意了那個特別預算是任性的特別預算到時候已經失敗了所以我還要重申部長不要糾結虛擬宜是不是特別預算要想說這個錢給這個比較重要 謝謝好 謝謝賴司保委員 謝謝 |