| IVOD_ID |
170496 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170496 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-19,35,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-16T09:25:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-16T09:35:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c57864e9296d477587e2621d92aa32451ac734a26d834dc4b699012f2e5216e58a94a20e7e7dac435ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:25:41 - 09:35:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：併案審查：
一、 行政院函請審議「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。
二、 本院委員林楚茵等17人擬具「國防自主無人載具採購特別條例草案」案。
三、 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「強化國防自主暨無人機產業發展條例草案」案。
四、 本院國民黨黨團擬具「國防自主無人載具科技發展及採購條例草案」案。(僅詢答)(以上各案如未接獲院會交付審查之議事處來文，則不予審查)） |
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請登記第一位陳廷飛委員發言謝謝主持我請主計然後國防部因為我們時間有限還有經濟一起上好我們請主計國防部跟經濟部代表主計呢 |
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我想我先問主席因為我覺得我已經擔任民意代表28年10年的議員審地方預算18年的立委審中央預算我覺得在這個會期非常的奇怪 |
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因為從過去給我的一些方向目標就是我們的民意機關省預算是不能增加預算也不能下指導期要求行政院你要怎麼編預算可是在這一次全部都亂來 |
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我光看到我們這一次國民黨民眾黨的版本尤其國民黨的版本是直接要求編列每年400億連續6年這樣的一個版本而且用法律命令命令行政院每年要編一筆固定金額這個基本上已經違反預算法還有財政紀律法 |
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更不用說根本就以新式違憲了 抵觸憲法第59條來 主席是那個我們通常重大的法案 還有涉及重大金額這個可能行政跟立法都要事先溝通 取得共識一定要取得共識嘛 |
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立法院才能提出嘛如果沒有共識的話不可能立法院自己提出版本然後以所謂的固定預算法定預算要求行政院要吃下去吞下去對不對是這就已經違法違憲了好來我再問我們顧部長部長我看到國民黨的版本裡面 |
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基本上還有民眾黨的版本我們要提出一個特別條例也就是它有重要性而且關鍵性這裡面光所謂的急需無人採購的明確規劃三行急需無人採據採購的明確規劃根本就沒有 |
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那請問沒有明宣規劃怎麼叫一個必要性而且特殊性的一個特別條例草案來 部長 |
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是 委員跟委員報告第一個就是說我們是特別條例那現在國民黨版跟民眾黨版它不是一個特別條例那特別條例的目的是為了編特別預算所以這個首先要說明的是他們這兩個條例呢著重的都是在於有關這個科技發展跟這個產業發展這個部分那跟我們的特別條例的性質顯然不同第二個是我們國防部 |
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是這個如何符合我們作戰需求的這樣的無人載具的一個採購我想這是我們的一個才能夠知道的一個規劃那所以國防部委主管機關那我們提出一個明確的採購的標的那這個採購的標的是剛剛也報告了是經過兩年跟我們聯參自己本身還有報告 |
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美方共同的討論認為在台海的防衛作戰上面能夠發揮不對稱作戰優勢的一個非常非常重要的一個採購的一個事項那我們主要提出特別預算的目的就是因為希望能夠這個預算能夠穩定然後運用這個預算的穩定性那我們 |
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逐年的分批採購然後也強調它的迭代創新那這樣子一方面可以滿足我們的作戰需求作戰能力的建構一方面我們能夠讓廠商願意去投資然後另外一方面呢在基於無人載具的迭代創新的原則我們逐年來採購那特別條例通過之後還是要提出這個 |
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特別預算相關的具體的計畫那個時候會更詳細的跟各位委員說明以上的這些所以部長你講到一個重點國防部今天會提出這個特別條例因為我們已經思考兩年它有重要性 特別性而且也是符合我們現在作戰的方向 |
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可是這一次我們排定的很奇怪怎麼會把特別條例跟一般的條例擺在一起一般條例是民眾黨跟國民黨黨團所提出的所以這兩個是完全不同的所以我們看到在國民黨也好民眾黨團的版本裡面並沒有提出任何更明確的一個採購計畫 |
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他的重點在哪裡看不清楚他只有一個科技發展如果一個科技發展型的怎麼可以跟我們整個國防部所提出的採購特別條例草案擺在一起審呢這兩個是完全不同的所以我覺得今天我們在審這個特別條例的部分我覺得非常非常的奇怪而且是有點 |
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亂無章法除了從在野黨所提出的條例裡面完全居然違反了預算法跟憲法然後我們今天所看到審議的部分又是把特別條例跟一般的發展條例擺在同樣審 我不知道這怎麼審而且另外一個部分 |
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在我們看到經濟部那個次長其實我們在經濟部我在經濟委員會那麼久的時間其實在我們整個產業發展無人機的產業發展我們早就在推了 |
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預算早就在編了而且其實我們把所有的聚落大家看到我們看到台中市有40家彰化縣有8家南投縣有6家苗栗縣有3家南部地方在台南市有25家這也是我們一直希望未來發展無人街的產業聚落我們一定都找好點了 |
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我們店都找到了現在拿出來這種產業條例是不是太慢了是不是太慢了而且嘉義縣就五家北部地方新北市五十二家台北市四十三家桃園市三十三家新竹市二十一家新竹縣十一家宜蘭縣三家嘉義是一家這些早就在進行了 |
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那為什麼現在居然在野檔還在提這種所謂產業發展條例?我們不是在罷工嗎?我們要倒退嗎?確實如委員所提的我們其實在北中南各地都有完整的無人機產業聚落 |
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而且行政委推出一個無人機的一個產業發展統籌型計畫統合各部位來協助我們所有無人機產業的業者從我們的產業輔導從我們的這個評普還有許多的這些資安等等的一些規範我們來建立一個費用供應鏈 |
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而且還提供國防自主方面的一個需求所以我想用這個國防的需求來支持產業的發展讓產業有長期的一個穩定的訂單來投入研發 投入生產所以我們堅決的是國防部這一塊嘛 對不對 |
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我們要的是國防部這一塊否則我們現在進口出口其實都有就是缺我們國防部這個特別條例給我們所有產業更好的背景更好的一個產業的一個力道 |
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我現在覺得我們在亂七八糟耶所以我認為今天這樣的一個安排我覺得我們有一點把它混在一起了這個混在一起對我們的產業是沒有幫助的我們應該把它分得更清楚我們如何去發展無人機產業然後無人機產業如何有我們國防部更好的特別條例做一個更加的防衛保障 |
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才能讓我們無人機產業更有擔當更有穩實的基礎所以拜託真的要把它分得很清楚否則所有無人機產業都跟我說了現在是在幹什麼我們的產業發展不是早就在做了嗎怎麼現在又把我們拉回去我覺得立場要擺得很清楚謝謝 |