| IVOD_ID |
170487 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170487 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-15T12:33:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-15T12:45:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f097d2073855cd224b591fbaf6bd7e00a7dabc8f267c39f72137d5325ab659889efbac3bee55a0345ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:33:36 - 12:45:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：邀請審計部陳審計長瑞敏、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、衛生福利部石部長崇良、教育部鄭部長英耀就「政府食品安全管理機制、食安五環與校園食安預算執行及審核結果」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【7月15日及16日兩天一次會】） |
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市長發生了這麼重大的食安議題你認為它到底原因是出在哪裡?為什麼會導致這樣子? |
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第一個事情在廠商這邊我們在7月4號專家會議裡面專家這邊認為是說整個在中聯這邊他們製程的品管HACCP做得並不符合標準這是第一個部分第二個部分在相關的廠商這一邊其實在4月份有廠商自主去驗驗完之後發現有問題但是遲遲沒有通知包含地方主管機關跟中央主管機關所以這個部分在通報的部分是有一個中間是有一個很大的落差 |
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第三個事情就是過去食藥署這邊我們訂定的相關油脂的標準沒有一些專案讓地方政府來做檢驗但是訂了這個標準我們至少希望他半年至少驗一次不過看情況當然在地方上也會有驗的頻次其實就真的只有如果像這麼大的廠商有一些他的這個檢驗的部分他又真的半年才驗一次這個認為我們認為那個頻次不夠所以這個部分我們要要求他們能夠 |
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以這三項的說明就是表示這一次實案你認為最大的漏洞是在這裡 |
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那是幾個 其中的漏洞都有影響廠商 通報 檢驗所以你也知道漏洞在哪裡政府的責任在哪裡所以接下來我們要重新再到目前為止你認為這個事件發生這麼重大政府的責任在哪裡政府的缺失在哪裡這邊我們剛剛提到剛剛就是我們說到的包含檢驗的評次我們可能未來我們要加強它檢驗的評次再來就是對於廠商這邊的通報責任或者是第三工政方檢驗的這個通報責任這個部分未來要在實範法裡面把它加進去 |
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當事情發生的時候 政府告訴我們修法是強化源頭管理 強化製程管理強化異常通報 強化品質管理 強化數位治理研議要求大型高風險食品業設置專業的獨立董事等六項措施是在這一次 說一個禮拜內要修食安法的方向對不對是 我們今天還有提出食安法的方向那表示以前你的責任在哪裡呢 |
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讓人民產生了這麼大的一個食安問題到現在還不清不楚所以在這邊要請教你們的修法目前為止我們這次的改革是要制度的提升還是補上過去你監督的這個漏洞呢都要都要齁好這一句都要表示 |
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這一次光光在6月11號最明確的已經知道但是到6月30才這個陳報上來業者拿去實驗室報告也只有給這個這個業者政府部門完全在這一段時間完全都不知道我們要怎麼改昨天跟卓葵討論本期強烈的要求未來實驗室只要有碰到有問題的 |
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有異常的就必須要同步的來通知你贊成吧所以這一定要做 |
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我們的修法也並不是這一次食安的漏洞完全的一個答案而是目前為止我們如果有行政命令可以直接執行之的我們更應該要去做還是目前我們的條文有的我們沒有去做到這個責任才導致這麼大現在都照相關的標準在處理所以這是剛剛委員補充的就是說在現在行政命令可以調整的包含檢驗評次因為檢驗評次這個部分我們過去消息是 |
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而且是這麼樣全國都在用的不管進入到學校 進入到團賽 |
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數量大的高比例的你更應當要加密去檢查嘛對不對可是委員我們其實過去四年我們都有給地方政府相關的專案那但是在中聯郵址的資料裡面在地方政府的稽查113年一次 114年三次所以務必一定要保障我們的安全我再來請教教育部 |
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前天告訴我們食藥署公布你們教育部透過我們食材的平台檢驗出來包括幼兒園以上的是881家現在是1380家 |
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然後你們宣布要研議建立高風險的這個食材供應商如果經過這個公告是重大的事案的不得再進入校園本席要請教你們用疑似兩個字告訴社會大眾到底我目前1380所學校到底是有還是沒有 |
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那個委員可能有些誤解第一個我們是針對那個油品的部分油品的部分本來15項現在變50項我們清查出 |
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7個縣市260所學校直接用那個油品的相關油品那你剛才講的那個數字呢是後來那個衛福部又公布用那個油品再製那個品項當然是再製啊衛福部荒腔走板本來說20%以下的沒有關係現在不行我們反映了現在一直報連環報再報再報所以市長針對問題 |
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民眾要問的 家長要問的是說到底我的孩子在學校有沒有吃到毒油 |
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當然是這一次食安有波及到校園這是事實那我剛才把它講完就是後來那個440項的那個再製的那些用那個油品再製的是440項後來我們為什麼用一次呢因為那個食安登錄平台有的記載的那個關鍵字會不一樣所以我們是擴大清查擴大清查是861項跟300 |
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孩子的午餐不能建立在你事後的補救上 |
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對不對對你一定認同這個原則是 沒有錯我們的孩子到底有沒有吃下相關的毒油目前是有不管是再製還是什麼當然是家長只有要知道昨天卓葵質詢的時候她說一週之內去清查清楚那你多久可以告訴我們 |
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是不是如同昨天所說的一週之內去清查清楚因為你們上下都不連貫你剛剛回答委員說要兩週那到底是什麼時候可以告訴家長孩子吃得有沒有健康兩週是指說他要我們算出那個量我跟他說那個量因為學校的公餐有三種形態有一種是從外面直接公餐他用的油 |
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可能我們在這個學校登錄是有的市長但是他量齁有時候他有做外面的針對我們學校控管在教育部到底什麼時候可以告訴我們他們到底有沒有吃到毒油我們都第一時間都已經公布了請教什麼時候可以告訴我們現在就已經公布了我們逐批在公布因為我們是下游單位我們是使用者你現在用儀式請告訴我們嘛你多久可以告訴我們他們有沒有吃到毒油嘛 |
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對 我們現在都已經在公告什麼時候會把所有疑似的調查清楚疑似現在配同地方縣府清查你們多久時間可以告訴家長家長要問的事實我什麼時候可以知道答案嘛其實我們440項疑似全部都下架了全部下架了就是你講的1195個市長 我們要知道的ending的答案到底我的孩子有沒有吃下毒油 |
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委員我再稍微說明一下就是這個部分它廠商的這個超標是它的製程有問題超標超標之後但是今天不論今天的這個油品進入到飲食的過程它不是直接油進去油在烹調過程它就會造成本田皮的增加所以這個部分要稍微說一下那第二個部分您剛剛所提到本田皮是致癌物家長很緊張所以最後它的製程是 |
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市長 孩子的家長 社會大眾需要知道的是到底我的孩子吃下的有沒有毒不是一直讓他們在等待委員這邊我再說明一下 相關的油品什麼時候 相關的油品什麼時候會全部清查完現在我們對於 現在對於中聯這29批已經全部預防性下架 |
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預防性下降我們在等待到底我的孩子有沒有吃到毒品嗎是教育部的工作啦市長多久時間啦委員你剛才有一些數字是這樣子你講的1385應該是指說我們7月1號收到那個有品的相關的我們7月2號通知那個地方進行清查那已經清查完了就是260項260項260項是有問題的對那現在怎麼辦呢 |
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我們都已經下架了嘛 都已經下架了 都已經下架了那其他疑似在調查什麼時候會回答沒有 疑似的是440項 那是什麼時候會公佈出來那個已經都下架了是下架啦下架但是沒有調查嘛 還在調查當中嘛都下架了 都下架了你的疑似是不是告訴我家長說這個就是有問題 |
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本家請問的 你要對喔 你要講清楚喔沒有錯 七月一號因為你是用疑似喔 可是你的文字上面是疑似喔不是啦 疑似的部分是因為我們根據你下架不等於是確認啊 到底是有還是沒有嘛疑似 疑似的原因是因為我們是預防性下架那我們家長要請問啊 |
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妳下架的不表妳的儀式不表示到底是有還是沒有我們要聽妳教育部告訴我們的到底是有還是沒有嘛這一批油做的都預防性下架了但是妳們也不會再去畫不會去回到實驗室去查就對了我今天可能她不打算查她不打算查了啦蛋糕今天油的蛋糕用的油做下去我不論妳這一批蛋糕是什麼狀況總之妳用到這個油就下架就這樣子 |
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我要請問市長你們公布的疑似是不是表示就是有對 就是我們 我再講兩次一次是7月1號那一次這一次440項是根據衛福部公布的440項只要疑似的我們有861校334所 幼兒園全部都下架只要疑似就下架疑似你下架但是我要請教到底是有還是沒有就是都下架了都下架是有還是沒有 |
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有可能有但他不想查我們就只要疑似就下架你怎麼可以這樣不告訴身為大眾呢你的疑似下架你是預防性下架嘛但是我家長要問的是我的孩子有沒有吃下毒油啊到底是有還是沒有這部分如果委員還要相關的資料我們再來清查不是我要相關資料是家長要確認到底有還沒有你趕快去查好不好我們就是根據衛福部的440項來做預防性下架嘛就是有861項 |
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趕快去查到底是有還是沒有就是有 我們在預防好 謝謝我們結束楊瓊英委員的質詢接下來請葉元智委員 |