| IVOD_ID |
170486 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170486 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
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| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-15T12:25:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-15T12:33:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f097d2073855cd22ec22479698b95c46a7dabc8f267c39f72137d5325ab65988334a1e86bb4a3c825ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王育敏 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:25:34 - 12:33:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：邀請審計部陳審計長瑞敏、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、衛生福利部石部長崇良、教育部鄭部長英耀就「政府食品安全管理機制、食安五環與校園食安預算執行及審核結果」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【7月15日及16日兩天一次會】） |
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林靜儀次長 |
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市長我請教你好這個爆發史上最嚴重的這個食安事件但是昨天行政院院長在這個院會他道歉兩個字說不出口請問你也是一個醫師你認為爆發這麼重大的食安事件從老人到小孩幾乎全國民眾大家都吃到了這一些獨有的食品你自己吃到了沒你對照那些產品你吃到了沒 |
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我沒有去對照妳沒有對照對因為在我們在立法院中午吃便當有訂台鐵便當我們都吃到了那這個為什麼院長連一句道歉都說不出口有這麼難嗎人民何辜 |
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人民何辜?這個就是政府把關不利啊業者無良但是政府也把關不利難道跟民眾說一句道歉有這麼的難嗎?委員我今天已經說過這個案子從中央跟地方因為執行的業務在地方我想從你口中大概聽不到道歉兩個字我現在要追問的是這麼嚴重的食安事件現在已經過了兩個禮拜了 |
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但是造成獨有的原因你們是初一十五原因都不一樣在7月5號的時候媒體報導江志剛署長他說開了專家會議他告訴大家巴西黃豆含水率高所以最有可能就是從巴西黃豆這邊出來的結果今天我聽了次長回答委員的詢問你說不是巴西黃豆是製程有問題 |
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那你們兩個人的說法不一 到底誰的說法為準這兩件事情都受影響原料跟製程都是影響所以我們現在對於你上午的回答就有誤導上午有委員在追問你巴西黃豆的時候你說跟豆子沒有關係說有其他的油品廠用到豆子對 因為有別的油廠也有用到巴西的豆子所以你這個說法太武斷 你要不要收回來我這一次強調七月五號是專家學者的會議我們這裡面對於 當然專家學者會議我們後續還會再召開 |
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那我專家這邊也都認為說還要再針對所以你不能排除巴西黃豆啊我不用排除巴西黃豆你早上回答賴志寶委員我聽到的就是這樣問題不是那個巴西那個問題是豆的問題那就是巴西進口的黃豆它的含水量比較高嗎接下來我要問你我上個禮拜就問過部長喔 |
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巴西黃豆的流向如果專家會議有指指巴西黃豆含水量高的話那我查過今年以來已經是70萬噸的這個巴西黃豆的進口去年有87萬噸我上個禮拜問你們說掌握這一些巴西黃豆的流向沒有除了中聯到底進了多少其他油廠進了多少上個禮拜沒有答案你們現在答案出來了嗎好來你講 |
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就是說今年1月到5月巴西進來60萬公噸那在前端就是在前端黃豆進來的時候那時候有查總共有15家業者有做輸入那這15家業者用的最多的是大統益美蘭蕾跟福壽這是三個大統益不是中聯我這邊的資料是大統益那大統益在這個南區我們食藥署南區那邊7月8號有再去做抽驗是合格的 |
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那再來是說它的豆合格還是它的油品合格油你們是抽幾月到幾月的我們今年7月8號去抽驗抽幾月的油品我們這邊抽到的是現場的七槽 |
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現場那它顯的呢因為如果4到6月現在週年爆發的是4到6月你們有沒有抽4到6月的郵品這邊我們他們自己有流樣所以今年他們每個月有流14批的樣那我們另外也有再去抽那驗到的結果呢4到6月驗出來的都沒有問題都符合標準目前所以他們是同一批痘有嗎要確認喔你不要到時候又爆發出來有問題喔 |
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其他還在檢驗當中那我們現在有一件是檢驗合格好 還在檢驗中我覺得這件事情到目前為止你們獨有發生的原因都還沒有查清楚你們就急著要讓一些預防性下架商品上架這個是有問題的因為你一定要把原因查清楚之後你才知道問題發生在哪裡 |
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就像你早上在回答委員的問題的時候你們現在一下子說是這個黃豆有問題巴西黃豆含水量過高專家學者會議然後一下子你又說是中聯製程它的製程有問題你們都還沒有十足把握的時候匆匆忙忙要讓這些商品再上架我認為是不可取的第一個我要講的是食安事件你不只是4到6月現在的預防性下架 |
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還有你還要向上溯源向上追查我就問中聯它1到3月的油品它還有樣品嗎你們還查得到它1到3月的確定沒有問題嗎我們現在對於中聯的就是現在是4到6月份我們正在驗那是不是要往回追溯我先跟委員報告就是說至少以當地的主管機關它在113年114年驗的都合格這是我們現在能夠掌握到的部分 |
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所以你現在到底能不能保證它之前四月以前都沒有問題這個委員我們只能說現在的資料以過去我們台中市政府衛生局驗的然後跟我們現在四月份拿到的資料往下驗的這兩個部分我們能處理那至於說過去那段時間因為有一些廠商他們可以有一些自主檢驗的部分這個是不是容我們再回去跟廠商調過去一到三月他們自主檢驗的 |
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今天我要告訴你的就是把原因查清楚是解決下一次食安事件不能再發生的一個很重要的關鍵但是你們現在對於是不是巴西黃豆黃豆有問題還是中聯的製程有問題你們現在都還沒有十足的把握我要求你們要盡快把你們現在一個是中聯所有的還有二十幾批你還沒有公布喔現在還在驗喔所以你這個結果都還沒出來之前 |
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你根本就不應該讓這些有疑慮的商品快速的上架我覺得你這樣子你真的都公佈完確定沒有問題之後然後你所有的預防性下架這些你再一次驗然後再上架國人才會安心你這樣匆匆忙忙其實對國人來講他其實是不安心 |
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會造成市場秩序更混亂而已所以這個部分我希望你們可以把握這個原則那我就問你你現在所有追查另外的20P的21P的到底什麼時候會整個結果出來目前我們有24P然後有52項產品因為有些不是從中聯有些是從它後面就是其他的廠商這邊的資料到底什麼時候整個完整結果會出來院長要求我們一週內要把所有的數據檢查完成所以下個禮拜幾禮拜三禮拜一 |
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今天是禮拜三你們的Date Line到底是哪一天我們現在大家都在趕 整個實驗室都在趕還有我要求剛剛講的大同益的部分他同樣有進口巴西的黃豆而且他進口很多那這個部分你們現在驗的結果還沒有出來的是不是一週後也可以 |
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同時公布我們現在盡速的做 交情證盡速在演好 國人要的是一個真相然後要的是行政院長一個真誠的道歉要的是這樣的一個重大死案事件不會再發生所以我希望大家是秉持這樣的原則來處理這一次的死案事件要卸責給地方政府這絕對不是一個解方也是民眾不想看見的好 謝謝好 謝謝 我們結束王玉銘委員的質詢接下來曾振前曾振前 |