| IVOD_ID |
170482 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170482 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-15T11:55:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-15T12:05:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f097d2073855cd22d140ce536905e5eca7dabc8f267c39f72137d5325ab6598854ed8f2ce0dbea445ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王世堅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:55:08 - 12:05:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：邀請審計部陳審計長瑞敏、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、衛生福利部石部長崇良、教育部鄭部長英耀就「政府食品安全管理機制、食安五環與校園食安預算執行及審核結果」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【7月15日及16日兩天一次會】） |
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林副部次長請林次長林次長 沒想到是在這個地方相遇喔這個古語有言 損者三有 有貧弊現在我們是碰到本貧弊這個古語有時候都還滿應驗的 |
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這個現在亡羊補牢我希望衛福部態度要做出來也就是說面對這次毒瘤事件我們整個亡羊補牢的作業我們要誠實勇敢沉著那就是說我們要開誠布公那麼不虛假而且政府也應該主動揭露不逃避 |
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還有要指揮善後不慌張不慌張我怎麼樣看出說你們有點慌張呢比方說你們一直到昨天才要求業者要自主揭露結果這個自主揭露你們 欸 比較好的獨油商你們像泰山他不錯 |
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你要求他自主揭露他馬上公佈下游包括產品清單結果福壽啦 福茂啦這些他通通沒有公佈產品清單所以 |
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我們民眾 消費者根本全然不知我覺得他們還在逃避當中啦他們還在逃避當中這個事情我們7月10號開會的時候有當面要求那現在在他們網站上我們剛剛同仁在點是點得進去的 |
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對啊 你們到今天上午才上架才把這個資料補全啊 不是嗎沒有 這是業者要補但我們自己是每一天都在公佈所以我們現在在食藥署的官方網站上有440項產品已經公佈對 你總頓數其實到今天才更正到正確嘛你在 |
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昨天之前你的總噸數還維持在1300多噸那我現在是要另外問你的就是說進口的巴西黃豆這一次說是因為它含水量高所以造成後續製造上產生這些毒素 粉瓶病那麼但是它那些數量進來總共有59.9萬公噸 |
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所以次長回去你查一下這59.9萬公噸到底這些廠商用了多少因為他們可能很可能只用一部分 |
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可能剩下的那他到底這些怎麼處置我們有沒有去追蹤好不好那因為後續的問題喔我覺得要查我就不想問你啦你請回你把我帶回去這句話59.9萬公噸的這些黃豆到底下落是如何已經用了多少還有多少還沒用那再來的問題喔你請問我請那個審計處長好謝謝委員謝謝 |
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請沈記長沈記長很多事我認為可能要由你下去查行政調查後大概才查得出來謝謝 |
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我要查的第一件事情包括我剛剛請衛福部林市長他們回去查的其實也麻煩您幫我了解一下好不好到底這些有問題的黃豆還有多少現在下落如何第二點就是說很奇怪的在我們這個颱風假前 |
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那麼我們7月8號為止所有官方網站上總共這個超標油品有1300公噸怎麼才過了一個禮拜颱風架一放完以後到今天啊暴增到5756公噸怎麼突然間一下子多了這個 |
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4100公噸這一點你回去把他們釐清到底是怎麼樣是 |
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這四大廠商心虛不敢去報還是說他們在這個部分當中還打算有所隱瞞第二點就是說這個回收到現在為止你看中聯的大豆沙有1300公噸到7月13日為止到前天為止它只回收410公噸回收得太少太慢 |
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那麼7月7號通報的泰山的部分泰山的部分他通報了1309公噸結果只回收505公噸這個南橋的部分這個都是5月10號左右製造的喔5月份製造的報了他1305.9公噸 |
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它還算是這裡面最誠實的喔它也才回收319公噸好了這個最近7月12號那麼又公布了福壽兩批也是有毒的大豆沙拉油分別是報了533.85公噸跟1307公噸 |
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結果他分別回收都只有533公噸的回收243還算OK一半1300公噸的只回收162公噸整個統計下來也就是說總共這些毒油量5756公噸 |
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總回收多少 總回收1641公噸回收不到三成 天啊 有七成耶跑哪裡去 簡單講 就跑到我們每個消費者 |
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對 肚子裡的啦委員不好意思我告訴一下因為其實中聯這一批他最早出問題就是他這個其中有一個郵巢那他那個是四月份最早通報就是說六月三十收到通報的所以那個各位委員現在看到一千三是那一桶就是他那個整個郵巢的那後面的四千 |
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那後面這邊是我們因為發現後來陸續有得到通報那所以我們是把中油中聯從4月份到6月份29批的油全部預防性的下架所以會出現這個比較高的數字這是第二個部分跟委員補充第三就是說這邊的回收跟下架先講一個資訊目前我們已經跟我們持續以來就要求福茂福壽跟泰山通知他們的下油廠商跟他們自己所以把所有這29批全部預防性下架是全部下架 |
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那這裡面有一些回收是陸續因為有比方說它已經是就是中聯那一個已經超標的那個要回收那有些它還在油草裡頭就是說它可能在下油廠商製造食品的油草裡頭那那批現在就直接是所以這4000公噸你說不一定是全部進到我們大家肚子是其中有一些是預防性 好不好那既然你上來好 那個次長既然你上來你很勇敢 |
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這個我希望外務部回去研究一下甚至可以找法務部一起研究要制定專法啦 什麼專法呢就是說如果未來發生重大食品危害毒害事件的話主管機關可以向這些違法黑心業者查扣他們的財產 |
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查扣他們的財產 假扣也要他們的財產那麼這一些查扣來的財產未來用來給給受害者包括受害的下游廠商才求償有門可不可以你現在就可以做的一部分就是說你可以要求健保局啊很多我們受害的民眾現在腸胃不舒服啊或者發生了其他更嚴重的事情那 |
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健保署他們所支出的這個醫藥整治費其實這一些都可以向這個已經可以正式向這些危害的廠商來跟他們求償因為現在我們法律上允許的是只有消保官那針對有民眾或者有下屬廠商真的提出簡據單據證明這一些 |
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才有去部分的集體訴訟我覺得這還不夠 |
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應該把衛福部的權限再擴大因為這一個部分石油 食用品的部分出了問題全民會一致的要求的第一個單位就是直指衛福部啊所以衛福部本來就應該要有更強烈的方式可以來遏止這種情形當然啦 你們現在要求說以後不能只有自主檢查 這是對的 |
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那這只是一部分 我覺得要從耕耘把他們這些傢伙這些惡職廠商可以把他們的惡劣行徑由他們來付出慘重的代價這樣他們以後才不敢 |
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好不好你回去研究一下這個制定專法啦好不好因為只有你們你們是帶頭的第一個單位所以你們有權利來制定這一部分的專法好不好回去好好研究我們會來跟相關的單位做研議那現在在因為檢調也已經介入了先跟委員報告好 那個沈縣長我剛剛提的那幾點你再回去 |
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好不好 就是這些我們大家共同有的疑點我們必須查清楚對社會交代可以肆意 好不好好 謝謝謝謝我們結束王世堅委員的質詢接下來請許中信委員 |