| IVOD_ID |
170480 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170480 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-15T11:41:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-15T11:54:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f097d2073855cd226edce20b40664f9ba7dabc8f267c39f7d0a1b18c43a2647039797466756a34355ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅明才 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:41:43 - 11:54:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：邀請審計部陳審計長瑞敏、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、衛生福利部石部長崇良、教育部鄭部長英耀就「政府食品安全管理機制、食安五環與校園食安預算執行及審核結果」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【7月15日及16日兩天一次會】） |
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本席向來對於教育的問題對於兒童的問題對於老人照顧的問題我非常非常重視 |
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這一次除了這個毒油的事件令人非常的痛心我首先請教一下這個衛福部好了因為你們是在做檢查的單位這一次源頭的部分到底有哪幾間負責最主要是中聯油脂那你們衛福部裡面 |
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有沒有人認識他們的老闆或者是總經理或者是高階的主管我不清楚委員我也不認識你們盤點一下啊你們都不認識嗎我不認識但是我不會出問你有沒有跟他們一起吃過飯我不知道都沒有這我不清楚外界說你們一直在包庇啊我們沒有必要包庇我們罰了他一億多未來可能還會罰更多所以一億多夠嗎 |
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國人的健康就一億多被買單了嗎沒有 保養員所以現在中聯油脂我們對於它整個行為它到現在我們現在是四到六月份全部預防性下架再來跟地方政府這邊我們也不讓它現在並不讓它做繼續的生產因為它品管還沒有恢復我問一下 沈氣長 |
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省長 為了國人的健康我們這一二十年來建立了防範的體制很多的檢測單位以及很多的教育宣導大概花了多少錢這個我們沒有去統計但是每年大概都有光十萬五萬大概都有四五十億花了四五十億十年叫做四五百億 |
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官員說罰他一億六千萬就沒事了嗎我們的健康就被他犧牲掉這樣有道理嗎沈議長現在他說的這些問題的油品啊導致國人啊平均每個人吃下了大概一瓶的有毒的油脂沈議長 |
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阿這一屋動不動?照目前公布的資料是會致癌的會致癌我們每一年為了國人的健康我們的健保支出花了多少我們宣導花了多少結果現在國人致癌的比例一天一天的攀升我們為了預防花了幾十億幾百億 |
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沈議長就剛剛他說那個人說就罰他一億六千萬沈議長他也有說後繼還會更重大的處啊現在不是光是錢的問題啊你就是一億六再乘十倍十六億再乘百倍對國人的健康有所彌補嗎我們要亡羊補牢 |
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是 那我想請教你這個油啊 一瓶 他說每一個人平均吃了大概一點多公升大概就是一瓶礦泉水的油脂那麼多 |
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如果這一瓶有問題的油 讓你喝 你要不要喝這個因為知道有問題了 當然不喝好 你不喝 可是這些問題油到底有沒有銷毀 找到源頭 |
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衛福部在努力 行政部門都在努力那衛福部做了什麼事那要請教衛福部而已你看 我們到現在都不知道你做了什麼事還有一個問題 這些有已經吃下去了不會講話的小朋友又偶爾 或者是失智的老人或者是八九 九十歲的老人他都一直每天在吃 吃下去 |
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這些人可不可以申請國賠委員先補充一個事情這個部分本便皮是在整個製造過程中那他可能因為高溫他的品管不好產生所以事實上目前我們對於中聯這一家業者認為他的品管出問題我們要做後續他品管上面的要求這是第一個事情跟委員說明 |
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第二個事情這個本田皮這個物質不是添加物它是在我們一般日常飲食油炸製成烹煮甚至烘烤的過程都會產生那甚至包含抽煙等等行為都有可能會有都會暴露在這個物質裡面所以再跟委員補充就是說這個物質事實上就是我們對於中聯或相關的油品這一次我們訂的這個我們所訂的這個標準主要的目的是去看它在它的產製成的過程中它沒有符合產製成的標準 |
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這個是不是自然有委員 這個部分 我們有本身不是 |
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但是我們的食品有本身不是不是 委員這不就吃了會致癌嗎這一個本便品它當然來 你旁邊那個說吃了不會致癌來 我請吃了不會致癌是不是那你就跟國人講啊你就拿一瓶沙拉油或者是有問題的油你當場當著全國人民的面前你喝下去啊委員 重點光是這樣喝油對心血管就很不好我還是要提醒 |
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不論是哪一家你怎麼樣的對得起這些小朋友或者是沒有辦法表達的老齡人這一次的郵品這個當然它超過我們所設定的標準所以在中聯的這一批郵品包含不論是我們現在驗出有超標或沒有驗出超標的還沒有驗到超標的這29批4月到6月我們全部都現在都是預防性下架 |
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所以你現在預防性下架的意思是說這些有問題的油是可以吃還是不可以吃有問題的這些我們因為它超過我們的標準所以我們把它下架了但是容我稍微說明一下即使今天是一個符合標準的油拿去油炸油炸出來的這個它的本田皮的量就非常非常的高所以站在食品我們講的健康的立場上來講 |
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我們在這邊管理的是它前端製程必須符合標準但是在日常生活各位 尤其台灣我們如果是大火烘烤或者是油炸的飲食裡面本田皮的量事實上都一直存在在食品裡面好 那下一步 |
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市長對於國小兒童還有這些教育相關的機構他沒地方選擇他就是在學校營養午餐也好或者準備的膳食也好他就選擇就是要吃 |
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那這個問題已經有很多的學校都面臨這樣的問題那接下來怎麼做跟委員報告說其實我們在7月1號接到食藥署通告之後我們就開始透過那個食安登錄平台學校現在大概99%都在 |
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這個食材登錄平台裡面去撈出1385項然後第二天7月2號馬上就通知地方縣市政府做清查就是用到當時查出來那15項的那個品牌的油那開始撈 撈到現在已經大概50項有50項公布的那個油已經有260個學校的七個縣市那這些人吃了多久我們 |
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現在這個吃多久是我們是依照食藥署公布的我們來撈撈到的是有使用的部分有的那個根據食藥署公布的那個品項它是四月初製造的五種品項我們是用那個資料來撈的這樣算一算大概吃多久吃多久 |
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兩個月左右兩個月啊那如果一個小朋友譬如說一年級二年級的學生他就這樣一直吃一直吃那吃了兩個月對身體會不會造成什麼樣的損害 |
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會不會照什麼我們會跟衛福部這邊一起來追蹤啦就是說他的那個不要追蹤啊衛福部在對你旁邊啊對我們以後相關的那個林次長還是這個因為小朋友這邊我們小朋友如果一二年級啊他已經吃了兩個月兩個月可能吃了一瓶那麼大的一個小朋友如果兩個月吃這麼多油我想不是好事 |
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可是他已經吃了啊不可能小朋友兩個月真的沒有道理吃這麼多油那大概吃多少沒有一瓶有沒有吃到半瓶委員重點是他的烹煮過程相關的食品這裡面有多樣的原因那我們現在在食藥署這邊我們為什麼這一批油我們會讓他要下架要罰第一個是因為他延遲通報第二個是他檢驗上面他不合格他還讓他上架 |
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我問你啊 這個事情已經發生好幾天了啦那 比如說今天 今天是幾月幾號 |
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7月15號今天7月15號還有沒有學童繼續的吃這一批有毒的有毒的有毒的有毒的有毒的有毒的有毒的有毒的有毒的有毒的 |
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現在你都下架了但是生活還是要過油還是要吃這批油是國內公油的大宗這批油沒有了以後那你要叫這些食品業者加什麼油所以我們現在我們在這段時間當然也先請地方政府都確認過另外三家大的油廠另外幾家大的煉油廠他們的產品目前是OK |
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那當然我們也正在啟動就是說因為現在這29批裡面有5批確定超標所以那個是不可能再上來了那另外24批預防性下架的假設有可信的檢體那我們後續會做一些檢查為了國人的健康啊你們喔一定要酸井螺絲要嚴正的面對這件事情不要跟全民為敵做得到嗎大家都一起在吃這些油啊 |
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那你要站在人民的立場而不是站在這些業者的立場沒有必要站在業者的立場真的嗎沒有必要啊為什麼要站在業者的立場那你們回去包括在場的這些官員你們回去查查看有沒有任何的官員跟中聯有吃過一頓飯或有認識有包庇委員你這講的是包含地方政府嗎因為地方政府可能跟他們比較近你查你查你就公佈啊 |
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你先查中央政府有沒有啊對啊 中央這邊我們其實到我們連他們董事長姓什麼我都不知道你們下面的人那麼多報告委員 相關我還在提醒10號署裡面有多少員工委員我再提醒一下10號署有多少員工1500 |
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一千五百個 你敢保證一千五百個你的嘴巴裡面講出來說你跟他都不熟一千五百個跟他們都不熟啊委員我知道你要問的是利益關係那如果其實還是要強調那你是要調查啊我還是要強調依照食安法定期的稽查是必然政府你要叫我們相信你可是你要叫我們相信一千五百個人嗎 |
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如果這樣我會建議是包含地方政府全部都要了解你查啊你查啊我當然支持查啊把事情釐清清楚啊對不對罪口或有所謂把他抓出來啊開玩笑拿全民的這個安全來做賭注啊沒有任何一點空間啊現在檢調已經在查了最後那個主席長 |
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這個油不能吃那個油不能吃那其他可以吃的油會不會漲價對整個消費者的影響是在哪裡這要看他供應的情形如果有缺貨就會漲價這樣子或者是說他缺貨買不到那就會有一些你注意一下看看有沒有業者趁機那個烘台物價謝謝 |
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谢谢我们结束罗明财委员的质询接下来请王世坚委员 |