| IVOD_ID |
170477 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170477 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-15T11:15:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-15T11:26:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f097d2073855cd22be092d6a966c3288a7dabc8f267c39f7d0a1b18c43a26470becabc25a29024875ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:15:09 - 11:26:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：邀請審計部陳審計長瑞敏、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、衛生福利部石部長崇良、教育部鄭部長英耀就「政府食品安全管理機制、食安五環與校園食安預算執行及審核結果」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【7月15日及16日兩天一次會】） |
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請這個衛福部林次長還有教育部的張廖次長請林次長 請張廖次長兩位次長好那因為這次這個中聯油脂本名比超標的事情大家就很關心這件事情呢那流入校園後續的這個處理方式那我是看這一個衛福部的統計 |
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目前有20個縣市,623所學校,258所幼兒園,合計881所校園,疑似受到影響的產品,有實施預防性的下架和停職使用。我這個數字還有在增加嗎? |
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委員我們現在根據食藥署 衛福部這邊公布的品項你講的是指後來公布的440項現在已經涉及到20縣市 861校還有334所幼兒園目前已經都下架了 |
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下架就是說我們有一個校園食材登錄平台所以這個登錄平台有發揮效用我們7月1號接到這個通知之後我們大概就用比較寬的方式就從那個食燈平台去撈譬如說有油 這是油的 油瓶就油我們就撈了大概1385校 |
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然後有登錄的部分我們就7月2號馬上通知各縣市政府開始來撈只要跟中聯福壽福茂泰山有關係的到7月14號為止就是到昨天為止是確定大概有260校新北有76校台北有64校基隆有11校台中有69校台南有13校高雄14校所以有即刻停用了嘛 |
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好 那有去做實地封存的這個動作嗎你剛才問的這個800多所 這個是屬於用那個油有問題 因為它有再製那個加工食品然後因為衛福部公布之後 我們又再去撈所以撈出來是這個800多所 這疑似的這部分我們都請它先下架對 那你們有去實地 請這個各縣市政府交易局去做實地的封存嗎 |
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那退回跟銷毀的動作勒? |
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因為那個執行機關在地方政府我們通知他們之後他們就是必須要去做這個動作因為中央也要去督導一下說到底地方政府有沒有按照停用看起來是沒問題嘛接下來封存跟退回銷毀後續的動作也要一起做啊對在地方他們的那個查驗的日期還有這個查驗的品項銷毀他們都會有一個公佈的資訊 |
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那這個因為我剛剛其他委員有問到就是審計部的資料那是在112年這個幼兒園使用校園設的登錄平台公立幼兒園當然比較高那時候的這個比率這個有87成 |
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但是非公立的包含非營利、准公、私立那時候的資料偏低8.26%但是我看你們最新的資料有給我的是現在私立幼兒園有2939元比例已經提高到74%了 |
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對謝謝委員的關心其實是這樣就是說您剛才講的那個八十幾趴也是一二年資料其實現在一般公立學校學校的部分已經到九十九趴了九十九趴對在食材登錄的那個比例上涵蓋率那公立幼兒園其實也到了九十幾趴了那現在就是說我們講的非營利 整攻 私利對 |
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就是我們非營利幼兒園還有互助式教保服務員或准公這個政府有補助的部分其實都到非營利的部分到99%那互助式教保服務也到88% 89%那准公幼也到了100%幾乎百分之百 |
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反正就是公立的或是政府有補助的都已經在99%私立的部分我們現在私立幼兒園因為它規模真的很小有的二三十個三四十個當時我們在法規上沒有強制性但是我們有協同就是說我們也是會去做抽查因為那個是食安的問題那目前的私立幼兒園那目前已經大概就是65%左右 |
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65%那這有辦法在112年確實那時候審計部他們做的報告那時候才9%而已所以我們經過這三年努力人力上的不足那還是說設備上的不足那要怎麼樣登錄的品項因為有的那個主要食材是很複雜它很多批號那他們那個 |
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那比較小的幼兒園其實他們行政能力普遍不足所以我們現在也在研擬說如果要再提高這個比例的話可能比如說研擬一些AI的登錄的方式讓他們能夠在這個用掃描的方式或者說用在登錄上比較方便我覺得這還是可以用科技的方式來進行我們希望再把它提高到跟我們一般就是99%以上的那個標準 |
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所以你們有沒有大概一個目標值就是說希望多久的時間然後希望實體幼兒園經由你們的協助也能夠提高到一定的標準所以我們會跟地方政府一起來努力啦我們這次的清查雖然說他沒有在實燈這個平台裡面但是因為我們都是做那個實體清查電話也好或者現場去看他的那個登錄的資料裡面是不是有買這樣的品項有的話就是下架這樣子 |
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讓家長還是能夠透過這個食材登錄的平台還是能夠知道說他們的孩子在學校吃的怎麼樣尤其是幼兒園收費又稍微高一點點那我想家長的權利應該也要能夠維持住啦 |
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現在我們就是說這個管理的一個登錄平台我們會想辦法再跟地方政府研商用比較節省的這種方比較省力的方式來開發我不曉得就是反正透過AI或是說透過這種科技表格化的方式盡量不用這樣逐一你要去登它這樣他們有時候也會漏掉有時候錯誤或者說沒有那個人力會漏掉我們只要加入他沒有的話我們會列入考核就是說將來以前是有補助說我們列入考核那這是私立遊園因為沒有 |
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拿我們補助所以我們基本上就是用協助的方式比例是有提高啦這三年來比例是有提高但是還可以再增加啦是我們這部分再繼續努力好謝謝謝謝張教授次長那我接下來我再請教這一個林次長 |
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市委員市長我為一個跟食安比較沒有相關的但是跟病人權益有相關的就是說這個上個禮拜五有所謂的一個颱風準備假然後呢讓很多的這個病人的權益呢都受到了損失那甚至連這個臺北龍總的院長陳院長他就說最怕放假的是醫療單位因為颱風假對於醫療院所造成極大的一個困難那他也講到說這個 |
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放了這個颱風架對於台灣的大型醫療院所面臨的醫療潤性和病患安全都會受到影響因為只要政府一通電話放假成本跟病患的安撫都是由醫院還有醫護人員自行吸收那我先請問一下就是說當然颱風你不可測當然有一個科學的方式去評估說到底要不要放颱風架 |
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那像禮拜五這一種就是看起來不是颱風架是所謂的颱風準備架那的確也對病人的權益受到影響那這方面的話衛福部有沒有一些標準或是說一些做法讓病人的權益不要受到影響 |
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其實報告委員衛福部這邊當然我們必須要兼顧醫療人員因為他出勤的安全還有病人到醫院也有一些安全的考量所以其實我相信大家都是一樣的立場是假設有到了我們在氣象署所預報的那樣子的風雨或者是說 |
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這個醫院或是病人所處的地方是高度風險的區域像我們有一些預防性撤離的部分那個部分我想如果因為這個預警的原因那停止掉相關的醫療服務我相信不論是醫療院所醫療院所的工作人員或民眾大家都會接受啦你風大到不行沒有人這個時候你跟民眾說我取消你的手術民眾當然不同時他也會他也有困難去嘛 |
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可是如果說沒有到颱風架的標準那在大家其實原來的在醫療這邊尤其很多都是一個非常必要的程序的時候那必須承認說尤其像這種大型醫院一旦停止這個服務它後續整個影響的會是蠻多的就不論對民眾或者是相關醫療人員他要去重新調整排程那這個部分影響是很大對 那我就是說像這種大型醫院那你要做一個手術也不是說我今天 |
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前幾天訂了然後就今天要做他可能已經排了很長的時間那你今天不做下次再排也不知道是哪個時候要重新排對啊要重新排那我意思是說遇到這一種不論是颱風準備假還是真的颱風假那對於這一次大型醫療院所的病人權益那要怎麼去做照顧或是說去協助這部分 |
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這個衛福部有沒有一個SOP出來其實報告員這個因為颱風的相關的架颱風架或者是因為颱風必須要停止相關的停止上班上課這個都這個不是在衛福部這邊主管那衛福部醫院的角色或醫療院所這邊其實就是在兼顧這個所有不論是來上班的出勤的醫療人員的安全跟病人權益的部分我們盡量依照不同的情況來做兼顧就是急診跟住院應該不會受到影響 |
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然後這個洗腎應該也不會受到影響啦不一定 當然就看醫院那當然洗腎這種它可能持續都有在運作假設風暴雨急 那醫療人員沒有辦法上班他依照這個勞基法 颱風天他沒有辦法出缺勤沒有辦法出勤或者是病人沒有辦法出 沒有辦法去這個部分當然就真的是一個不得已但是一般的 不是重大的手術一些常規手術有可能就取消了 |
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會 因為大家看醫院這邊如果有的醫院他有配合颱風架那就取消那如果有的醫院他沒有去配合這個部分不過這個會牽涉到因為如果沒有宣布颱風架那醫院這邊的運作大概比較能夠依照他的狀況來評估那因為宣布颱風架通常醫院就很多醫院他大概就會取消蠻多原來既定的醫療服務只留下必要的常規我覺得這個有關醫療韌性這部分 |
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就是說你可能會遇到颱風架或是說遇到怎麼樣的會受到影響那我們所關心就是說病人的權益不要去受到影響那這部分我不曉得說這個衛福部要不要跟我們大型醫療院所那有一個比如說有一個SOP或是怎麼樣 |
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盡量不要這個因為這個價或是什麼樣然後就讓病人全身受到影響然後你本來已經排好了又要延到很後面去這樣子我想醫院都會盡量再幫病人重新安排依照他的病情來重新安排不過我想也要跟委員說明這裡還有另外一個事情我們要衡量是這個突然之間調整的醫療或者是相關的行政流程行政量對於就像大型又非常繁忙的醫療院所有醫療人員也是一個非常非常大的負擔 |
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對啊 所以說但是這些所謂的醫療的成本都是由大型醫院自己吸收的嘛是好 OK 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝我們結束李昆城委員的質詢接下來請林思銘委員 |