| IVOD_ID |
170472 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170472 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-15T10:45:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-15T10:56:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f097d2073855cd220f680091fee48f37a7dabc8f267c39f7ce030e795822cb8f621747a0e7dfbc9b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李彥秀 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:45:56 - 10:56:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：邀請審計部陳審計長瑞敏、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、衛生福利部石部長崇良、教育部鄭部長英耀就「政府食品安全管理機制、食安五環與校園食安預算執行及審核結果」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【7月15日及16日兩天一次會】） |
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現在請李燕秀委員質詢OK 邀請林靜怡次長我們沈紀長 陳沈紀長好 邀請林次長跟陳沈紀長上來質詢靜怡次長是民眾人民其實最害怕的不只是食品安全出問題 |
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最害怕的是政府知道了畢業者慢通知的比媒體還要晚甚至是在處理的過程當中所謂的風險溝通科學依據到底足不足夠處理的過程20%含油脂下架處理的是荒倉走板 |
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對於致癌物所有的民眾我能不吃我當然都不要吃我想你非常清楚所以百分之二十那個油脂含的門檻是在委員會定的嗎那個是在一百零六年的食安專家諮詢會議所他們的一個下下的討論專家會議大家制定的標準我們後續會做檢討 |
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所以從今天 那我就請沈記長因為我也看到你今天在業務報告裡面也有提到說幾個問題點包括食品食藥署推動食品業者自主衛生管理我覺得這個可能有問題未來要調整所以我看到幾點你的建議包括卓院長昨天講的食安五環 |
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有要調整的空間我們要修食安法可見很多都是制度面我們要再做調整你同不同意同意次長 林經理次長你同不同意是 我們絕對制度面調整好 |
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可見到目前事情發生到現在,從6月30號到現在,很多就是制度面的調整。當然制度面調整之後,執行面就會跟著修正,包括要不要密集去做檢查中央跟地方如何再次分工得更細一點。 |
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所以是制度面有相當大的問題所以所有的民眾朝野大家都認為審法要修法是制度面的問題 |
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那包括過去我們食藥署的時候 今天是副署長來署長過去他在學者的時候 為什麼我們邀請食藥署署長因為他自己也是食安專家學者過去論文也寫非常多 但非常遺憾今天食藥署署長沒來包括過去強調說有暫時性的處分 要預防性的下架法制化要及早的介入防止危害擴大 |
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這都是過去食藥署制定的食品安全衛生預防性的下架原則但過去都是原則它的法律位階是不足的一般的民眾他不需要是食安專家他都知道只要有問題應該是全部都要下架才對但是為什麼原民對於民進黨政府這次處理的不滿 |
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20%有含油脂的下架所以會造成未來可能有含油的有問題的還在食品架上這就是原民對於現在食品安全不信任最主要的原因是原民對於現在民進黨政府 |
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底下食安信心完全崩潰最主要的理由我講到現在市長你同意嗎報告委員其實剛剛提到這個過去的原則我們會再做一些調整跟修正那大概7月4號當天其實就已經找專家所以那個20person當然專家這邊給我們這樣的意見但是後來民眾對於專家的意見的反應不同所以我們後來做預防性下架 |
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民進黨政府執政邁入第十年食安五環每次常常在破洞食安五環常常在破洞你早就應該不需要我剛剛一直強調不需要是學者專食安學者專家一聽到有問題應該是全面先下架這就是讓人民看到政府的魄力跟決心 |
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這也會讓業者 所有的業者上井發條我們食藥署的署長在2019年發表了一篇論文食安要回到劑量跟曝露量零減出但在這一次食藥署拿來當成不必要全面下架的理由其實我覺得這個就是民眾在整件事情當中對於整個衛福部處理的不滿對於民進黨政府對於食安處理不滿最主要的理由因為 |
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署長在長期在學術上用劑量來去決定就是劑量決定毒性但是面對現在所謂的一級致癌物到底說應該用最嚴格的標準是我的孩子我的家人哪怕是吃到0.00001我都不要他吃到任何一點致癌在烹調等等的過程中不是只有油的源頭會有這個事實上在烹調高溫蒸煮都會產生本皮 |
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這就是為什麼大家都非常重視實案的理由但是政府應該把關而未把關應注意而未注意這就是政府的責任不是嗎這個部分我們當然目前對於這些相關的有品製程廠他的HACC他的標準跟製程會做一些嚴格要求我知道你要講什麼因為昨天院長已經都講了但是 |
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包括我們食品雲花了數十億元來處理但是仍舊在第一時間我們沒有辦法追溯到以前食品雲說非追不可但是最後處理的是到底源頭來自哪裡到底上下游廠商有哪些或者影響到的相關的食品到底範圍擴到多大 |
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照理說有食品雲應該很快 啪啪啪電腦一出來哪些有可能中聯的上下有發票的跟他有進出貨的很快就可以查出來但是我們看到整件事情處理過程當中食藥署事實是動用許多的稽查人員去追我們不是AI政府有花食品雲數十億元嗎 |
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到最後是所有的食安的所有的稽查人員像消防員一樣到處四處救火這就是每次發生食安事件的時候我們都說是頭痛一頭腳痛一腳照理說是一個電腦出來一個電腦出來跟中聯有關的上下游去追查檢調去追查到發票他的進出貨單照理說全部都可以看得出來甚至下面都可以追得出來才對中聯泰山福茂福壽這邊事實上在食品雲的相關的追蹤都有 |
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報告委員食品雲裡面包括五大部分那其中有一個就是追溯追蹤那追溯追蹤裡面我們有要求這些業者大的業者是要進入這個系統去做申報他的原料來源跟產品的流向那這次的事件裡面中聯泰山福壽等這些業者確實有在這些資料所以我們在第一線是也可以從那邊6月30號到現在7月15號 |
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所有有問題的可能有問題的是不是都在都已經下架這是我第一個問題第二個問題你們現在要修那個食安五環2.0版要修食安法那我就有幾個問題要請問 |
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人民會問說那未來幾天如果再發生事件的話是不是一個星期或三天就可以全部下架有沒有這樣的信心 次長委員我們當然希望是這樣的事情你不要跟我講希望他的前頭原料他前頭的評管本來就應該要能夠有製程上的標準今天從過去從事發到現在許多委員會已經排了專報左院長昨天也講了你們也要修食安五環2.0要修食安法 |
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以後如果再發生事情幾天可以全部下架幾天中央可以知道甚至通報地方下去抽查去執行一個星期 三天 兩天 聽盡管理怎麼去做處理 |
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我們當然在未來的經濟的方向希望能夠避免發生這一類的事情必須做所謂下架那因為下架的事情影響不論是對民眾或對廠商都是非常複雜跟麻煩的事情那所以這一次的事情政府不應該怕麻煩不是 我是說人民我們不要讓人民麻煩 碰到事情人民可以讓政府依照你有的手邊的工具跟法律的手段去處理但是我要問的是 |
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幾天你修食安法內容我不管你怎麼修2.0 3.0 4.0以後當有問題被通報的時候幾天可以全部下架我們的目標是要第一時間就掌握然後讓這些產品不要上架類似像第一時間你也當過民意黨你也坐在這個位置上你也站在這個位置上質詢過 |
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到底是一個星期還是三天 還是兩天不要告訴我第一時間因為你們都會講第一時間下架我只問你未來未來當再發生有食品安全事件的時候你是不是會第一時間就知道修了2.0版本之後食安法你會不會第一時間就知道那未來如果再發生事情 知道之後是不是三天就全部下架 |
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委員我們這一次光是還沒有修這次六月三十知道之後我們在兩天之內就要求七月二號七月一號開始我們就要你不用跟我講你不要跟我拖時間我不要跟你吵架我是真的未來的事情未來的事件修了食安法修了食安五環二點零之後 |
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未來24小時之內有機會通報甚至是發生重大事件的時候是不是一天之內或兩天之內或36小時之內會公佈所有的流向你這樣子修法才有意義嘛你今天在這邊排專報才有意義嘛這次的修法就是朝向這個方向能夠在24小時之內得到這些資訊廠商要通報不然的話廠商這次他delay了兩個多月 |
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36小時之內有沒有機會全部下架我覺得這些都是要交代的清清楚楚我們今天花那麼多時間在這邊質詢再修食安法2.0才有意義要不然的話修的都是假的沒有意義 |
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都靠業者自主管理政府現在有修法的工具跟手段沒有精進的手法你沒有破例告訴民眾說以後有問題我是24小時我只要我接到我24小時全部都讓他下架你沒有這樣的破例的話10N5還2.0你還是繼續破我們會跟地方政府一起來合作 |