| IVOD_ID |
170464 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170464 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-15T09:45:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-15T09:57:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/f097d2073855cd227c9ebe5e8ea40abda7dabc8f267c39f7d7cf49b11129b46fab895d7d41794bf65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:45:18 - 09:57:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：邀請審計部陳審計長瑞敏、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、衛生福利部石部長崇良、教育部鄭部長英耀就「政府食品安全管理機制、食安五環與校園食安預算執行及審核結果」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【7月15日及16日兩天一次會】） |
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有請主計長與審計長請主計長跟審計長委員好兩位長官好先請教主計主計長現在的你好像前幾天公佈我們的平均薪資是多少錢 |
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大概是有百分之六十九左右 |
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這個7月12號前幾天的事情你公布平均薪資47884元594萬的勞工低於平均五年來增加37萬人低於平均薪資這個就講出來了一件事情 |
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就是台灣現在隨著股市這樣子飆啊負責越負負 貧者越貧 更嚴重五年來對於平均薪資的比例是逐年上升我們今年GDP大概可以多少 |
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有沒有10%我們估是主計總數估是9.64啦但是那個中研院他也有在估說是要10點多啦中研院估超過10喔10.03的CPI呢CPI本身上個月是2.62.6高於我們中醫盲 |
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的心目中底線是是是我們大概整年平均大概是平均差距不斷的擴大物價不斷的上漲人民就越來越苦這個多數的人民是過苦日子的啦這個沈記長啊 |
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你不要講起來說這個 審計部要不要去降低貧富差距我們審計部有沒有責成財政部做點事情比如說稅的問題啦 什麼問題等等 有沒有 |
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我們今年我們現在在做114的損盒報告我們在損盒報告裡面有對這一個部分提出一些意見意見所以大概我們最重要的一個最重要的是什麼可以拿一個工具可以降低貧富差距現在看起來有點嚴重喔連續五年 |
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三分之二以上 領不到平均薪資非常非常嚴重啊 而且物價一直漲 |
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你可以講一個重點 一個就好最低工資是有對基層這一個部分政府在對這個條我們發現它是有幫助的這一個是有幫助的但是涉及到因為這個面向很廣所以我要告訴委員說政府的政策裡面調整最低工資這一個部分 |
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這個租本利得這個也要考慮因為現在的租本利得影響也會相當大這個也會把這個整個財富殺跡一直扣大持續關注這個問題好不好這一部分就當個題目來做報告好不好做研究給我 |
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審計部的角度如何降低台灣的貧富差距主席長請回 審計長留下我們請衛福部的長官來話哪位長官 衛福部長官林正智這個次長 |
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我想你本身又醫生又當過立委你應該對整個社會的大家對獨有的關心你應該很清楚這個獨有是很嚴重的一個事情到現在為止昨天卓榮泰院長也做了專案報告到現在為止在這個時刻我們都不知道獨有怎麼產生 |
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怎麼會有毒油是原料的問題呢還製成的問題呢還是什麼的到底是什麼問題謝謝委員讓我們說明其實這是在製油過程中這是製油過程中它的溫度可能控管不好那溫度控管不好之後確定喔 |
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所以是製成問題不是原料問題是不是 確定原料比較濕所以製成的時候溫度拉得比較高那溫度拉比較高之後本田皮的濃度可能會上升可是其實在製成過程中因為它還有一個製成過程它如果再平管得好它應該能夠把這個拉高的本田皮再把它削下來所以這製成的問題不是進口黃豆的問題所以不要冤枉黃豆 |
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我們目前認為就是因為其實有用巴西黃豆的也不只有這一家可是別人可以把品管做好好 我要跟你講一個比較重要的題目財政部已經花了幾十億經過了一個電子發票整合服務平台裡面賣這個油一進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
342.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
349.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
然後中間經過第一層 第二層 第三層通通清淨足足因為 啊 瞌睡 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
351.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
374.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
你們沒有用啊 外務部沒有用財政部這個系統啊財政部其實也向委員報告 部長有特別跟我們說他們可以協助我們對啊 財政部不是現在才開始做耶 做了好幾年了花了幾十億啊 政府都欠了結果你們都放在那裡納糧 結果到現在為止都沒有告訴我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
375.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
384.859 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
所以到底跑去哪裡 請問你現在公佈你現在能不能夠什麼時候可以list出來我們每天都有公佈等一下 等一下 你不要急著回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
385.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
407.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
你什麼時候可以完整的告訴全國的消費者說這一家的泡麵有問題那個的什麼有問題總共幾家有問題什麼時候可以去...委員我們現在總共有統計440項的產品那我們每天都公佈在食藥署的官方網站的首頁有個專區現在總共幾家現在總共440不只440啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
411.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
413.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
440項的產品440個產品然後我給你一個資料我們有參加時安會報對不對有 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
427.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
445.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
113年開始賴清德當總統崇隆他還當行政院長他推動五環2.0死安政策114年度立法院非常支持女人給了110億比113年增加9.7%我們再看喔 來各部會督導落實五環2.0 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
452.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
469.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
車島六部會完成19套資訊系統串聯資料用電子發票追蹤食品交易六項這什麼概念就是要找食品營的概念我們再看喔下個圖我給你看你看 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
473.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
499.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
民間APP就已經有了你中毒了嗎給你查一下它就是一個財政部的發票系統裡面它專門focus在我的食品安全這部分就是食品這一部分一塊叫食品運你們根本都沒有做你們跟民間來比你們不知道賣了幾拍不是半拍也不是一拍也不是兩拍賣了N拍 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
501.867 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
517.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
我認為我們這邊是因為這些大廠跟中間的一層一層就是第二層第三層的廠商這一邊他們事實上也有明確的交易的這個部分所以我們直接從最源頭的大廠包含中聯跟泰山福茂福壽三家直接找來你跟我這個隨便這樣講我要問你的是老百姓要知道我今天去超商買是 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
524.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
548.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
我買個泡麵 我有沒有中標老百姓關心這個啊我現在可以退錢 老實講 退錢不是我關心的泡麵幾十塊錢 不是我關心的我關心的是 我中標以後怎麼辦啊我請問你啊 要不然先把這個問題解決這個我會說說你沒做因為左二郎派院長說修法的方向其中有一個就是食品運 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
550.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
578.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
所以你們根本就沒有做簡單來講我要強調是財政部花這麼多錢做了電子 雲子 雲端發票的系統你們沒有去把它好第一個沒有用第二個沒有去把它整合民間都不明明款民間做出來了說 哎 你說一下馬上知道馬上知道我有沒有買到這個產品有的話可以退錢退錢不是我關心我現在問你 你是專業醫生我就問你 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
579.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
603.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
我要怎麼樣知道我還沒有中標就是我吃了這個東西但是我有沒有這些扁明筆有沒有留在我的肝臟或者留在我的腎臟我怎麼扯抽血可不可以報告委員這個因為他事實上不是用抽血驗而且民眾在吃的食物裡面包含他的食物烹調過程中就可能造成更高的本偏僻對啊怎麼樣嘛我現在就是說我想了解我 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
605.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
631.845 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
我還沒有對我身體有傷害站在衛福部這邊我們當然是希望說原來油的品質所以我們用這個方式來控管油的品質但是油去到了每一戶的人家裡面它炸雞排過程所產生出來的這個不是我們在油的品質的前端可以處理的所以你還是沒有回答問題嗎我要問你說我關心的不是我去退錢退幾十塊甚至幾百塊我關心的是我吃得到嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
633.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
658.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
啊我的健康有沒有受影響啊有沒有大的傷害啊所以我們一直提醒民眾就是盡量在飲食上面盡量減少這種高溫高油的這樣子的飲食因為就算我們原來出產的那個油它是符合標準的它在烹調過程就可能造成更高的本片皮所以你告訴民眾不要吃炸雞排其實本來炸雞排就不是我們要鼓勵大家吃的食物啊不要吃烤肉 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
660.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
675.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
這些都是盡量避免但是當然我知道在民生上大家喜歡但是他本來就是我請問沈機長啊就是我剛剛提的那個問題行政院長卓榮泰昨天講了他要修法其中有一個建立十平均 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
676.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
696.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
民間都已經有APP了這部你還不要讀到一下那個好 因為我們以前有看過啊這個食藥署建這幾個好像成效不是挺好的所以我們就會加會強化這一塊因為要靠這一塊啊才能夠啊比較面向啊比較打不得住最後一句話就請你回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
697.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
724.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
你要多久時間可以去把它查清楚給我三個月三個月喔 三個月查清楚來來來 我把這話講完就可以了查清楚因為慈恩匯報第二次卓榮泰主持的就是要建構這個食品運所以他昨天講了把自己嘴巴他早就講了啊只是你們沒有做啊食藥署太老大了啊不是食藥署啊衛福部老大在那裡啊院長的話都不聽啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
725.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
733.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
就是整个审计部把它查一下好 三个月好 谢谢我们结束赖世宝委员的质询接下来请郭国恩委员谢谢主席有请 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-07-15T09:45:18.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-07-15T09:45:18.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
謝謝主席以及各位先進，有請主計長與審計長。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0.474 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-07-15T09:45:18.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-07-15T09:45:19.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
請主計長跟審計長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
陳審計長瑞敏 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-07-15T09:45:19.050000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-07-15T09:45:19.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-07-15T09:45:19.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-07-15T09:45:19.310000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
兩位長官好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-07-15T09:45:19.330000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-07-15T09:45:22.953000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
先請教主計長，前幾天公布的平均薪資是多少錢？ |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-07-15T09:45:22.953000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-07-15T09:45:30.704333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
四萬七左右。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-07-15T09:45:30.704333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-07-15T09:45:38.455667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
四萬七千多，快四萬八。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-07-15T09:45:38.455667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-07-15T09:45:46.207000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
有多少人沒有達到這個標準？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-07-15T09:45:46.207000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-07-15T09:45:47.889000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
大概有69%左右的人。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-07-15T09:45:47.889000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-07-15T09:46:08.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
67%左右，將近70%。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-07-15T09:46:08.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-07-15T09:46:41.292000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
前幾天（7月12號）你們公布平均薪資是4萬7,884元，有594萬的勞工低於平均，5年來增加37萬人低於平均薪資，這個講出了一件事情，就是臺灣現在隨著股市這樣子飆，但富者越富、貧者越貧的情形更嚴重，5年來低於平均薪資的比率是逐年上升。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-07-15T09:46:43.014000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-07-15T09:46:44.316000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
今年GDP大概可以多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-07-15T09:46:45.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-07-15T09:46:46.298000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
有沒有10%？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-07-15T09:46:48.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-07-15T09:46:50.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
主計總處估是9.64%。9.64%？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-07-15T09:46:50.941000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-07-15T09:46:56.144000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
但是中研院也有估，說是十點多。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-07-15T09:46:57.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-07-15T09:46:59.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
中研院估超過10%喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-07-15T09:46:59.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-07-15T09:47:00.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
好像是10.03%的樣子。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-07-15T09:47:00.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-07-15T09:47:01.528000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
CPI呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-07-15T09:47:02.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-07-15T09:47:04.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
CPI上個月是2.6%。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-07-15T09:47:04.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-07-15T09:47:10.414000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
2.6%高於中央銀行心目中的底線2%。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-07-15T09:47:10.414000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-07-15T09:47:15.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
是，整年平均大概是1.93%。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-07-15T09:47:17.319000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-07-15T09:47:27.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
所以你看，貧富差距不斷擴大、物價不斷上漲，人民就越來越苦，多數人民是過苦日子的。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.829 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-07-15T09:47:27.988000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-07-15T09:47:31.108000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
審計長，你要來講一下嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-07-15T09:47:33.330000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-07-15T09:47:33.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
審計部要不要去…… |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
陳審計長瑞敏 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-07-15T09:47:33.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-07-15T09:47:36.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
委員的關心，我們也關心…… |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-07-15T09:47:36.575000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-07-15T09:47:42.462000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
降低貧富差距，審計部有沒有責成財政部做一點事情？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-07-15T09:47:42.663000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-07-15T09:47:43.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
比如稅的問題或什麼問題等等，有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
陳審計長瑞敏 |
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2026-07-15T09:47:45.446000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-07-15T09:47:59.658000+08:00 |
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我們現在在做114年審核報告，在審核報告裡面有對這個部分提出一些預警意見，所以大概我們…… |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.816 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:48:00.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-07-15T09:48:01.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
你講一個最重要的是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-07-15T09:48:02.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-07-15T09:48:04.201000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
哪個工具可以降低貧富差距？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-07-15T09:48:04.642000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-07-15T09:48:13.891000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
現在看起來越來越嚴重，連續5年三分之二以上的人領不到平均薪資，非常嚴重啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:48:14.131000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-07-15T09:48:17.575000+08:00 |
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而且物價一直漲，你跟我講一個重點，一個就好了。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
陳審計長瑞敏 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-07-15T09:48:18.535000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-07-15T09:48:38.786000+08:00 |
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最低工資適合對基層，政府對這個部分調，我們發現是有幫助的，但是因為這個面向很廣，所以我要告訴委員，在政府的政策裡面，調整最低工資這個部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.887 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:48:38.786000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
1 |
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2026-07-15T09:48:45.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
你要不要…… |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
陳審計長瑞敏 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-07-15T09:48:45.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-07-15T09:48:55.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
但資本利得也要考慮，因為現在資本利得的影響也相當大，會把整個財務差距一直拉擴大。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.757 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:48:55.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-07-15T09:48:55.999000+08:00 |
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我希望你持續關注這個問題，好不好？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.688 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-07-15T09:48:56.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-07-15T09:48:56.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
這部分就當一個題目來做報告，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-07-15T09:48:56.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-07-15T09:48:57.260000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
做研究給我。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
陳審計長瑞敏 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-07-15T09:48:57.260000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-07-15T09:49:05.846000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
好，我再提供給委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-07-15T09:49:05.846000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-07-15T09:49:09.567000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
以審計部的角度出發，看如何降低臺灣的貧富差距。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
陳審計長瑞敏 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-07-15T09:49:09.567000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
1 |
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2026-07-15T09:49:10.928000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-07-15T09:49:10.928000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-07-15T09:49:12.748000+08:00 |
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主計長請回，審計長留下。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-07-15T09:49:13.269000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-07-15T09:49:17.590000+08:00 |
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我們請衛福部的長官林政次。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-07-15T09:49:17.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-07-15T09:49:18.590000+08:00 |
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請林政次。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
林次長靜儀 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-07-15T09:49:18.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-07-15T09:49:19.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
委員早。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:49:18.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-07-15T09:49:55.600000+08:00 |
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次長，你本身是醫生又當過立委，整個社會對於毒油的關心你應該很清楚，毒油是很嚴重的一個事情，昨天卓榮泰院長也做了專案報告，到現在為止，在這個時刻我們都不知道毒油是怎麼產生的，怎麼會有毒油？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:49:56.201000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-07-15T09:49:58.922000+08:00 |
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是原料的問題還是製程的問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-07-15T09:50:00.563000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-07-15T09:50:01.843000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
到底是什麼問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
林次長靜儀 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-07-15T09:50:01.843000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-07-15T09:50:02.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
謝謝委員讓我們說明…… |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:50:02.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-07-15T09:50:03.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
請簡短。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
林次長靜儀 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-07-15T09:50:03.104000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-07-15T09:50:10.007000+08:00 |
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其實這次是在製油過程中，它的溫度可能控管不好，溫度控管不好之後，它的…… |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:50:10.187000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-07-15T09:50:10.307000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
確定喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
林次長靜儀 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-07-15T09:50:10.307000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-07-15T09:50:11.467000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
我們至少在專家現在…… |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-07-15T09:50:11.467000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-07-15T09:50:13.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
所以是製程問題，不是原料問題，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-07-15T09:50:14.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-07-15T09:50:14.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
確定嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
林次長靜儀 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-07-15T09:50:14.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-07-15T09:50:23.073000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
原料比較溼，所以製程的時候溫度拉得比較高，溫度拉比較高之後，苯駢芘的濃度可能會上升，可是其實在製程過程中…… |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-07-15T09:50:23.073000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-07-15T09:50:24.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
所以你等於拿這個…… |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
林次長靜儀 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-07-15T09:50:24.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-07-15T09:50:30.537000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
製程過程如果品管得好，它應該能夠把拉高的苯駢芘再降下來。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-07-15T09:50:31.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-07-15T09:50:35.219000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
院長都不敢定調，你定調了，說這是製程的問題，不是進口黃豆的問題，所以不要冤枉進口的，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
林次長靜儀 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-07-15T09:50:36.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-07-15T09:50:43.101000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
我們目前認為……因為有用巴西黃豆的也不只這一家，可是別人可以把品管做好。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-07-15T09:50:43.462000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-07-15T09:51:10.598000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
我要跟你講一個比較重要的題目，財政部已經花了幾十億去建構一個電子發票整合服務平台，裡面有賣這個油的資料一進來，中間經過第一層、第二層、第三層，通通清清楚楚，因為要課稅，但你們沒有用啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.819 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-07-15T09:51:11.979000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-07-15T09:51:13.339000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
衛福部沒有用財政部這個系統。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
林次長靜儀 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-07-15T09:51:15.701000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-07-15T09:51:19.323000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
向委員報告，部長有特別跟我們說，財政部可以協助我們。對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-07-15T09:51:22.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-07-15T09:51:39.577000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
財政部不是現在才開始做，做了好幾年了，花了幾十億，都是政府的錢，結果你們都把這個放在那裡納涼，到現在為止都沒有告訴我們說到底跑去哪裡，請問你們現在公布的，什麼時候可以list出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.854 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
林次長靜儀 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-07-15T09:51:39.577000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-07-15T09:51:40.277000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
委員，我們每天都有公布。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-07-15T09:51:40.398000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-07-15T09:51:42.839000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
等一下，我的問題還沒問完，你不要急著回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-07-15T09:51:43.782000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-07-15T09:51:55.767000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
你什麼時候可以完整地告訴全國消費者說這一家的泡麵有問題或那個的什麼有問題，以及總共幾家有問題，什麼時候可以公布？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.887 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
林次長靜儀 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-07-15T09:51:56.007000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-07-15T09:52:03.129000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
委員，我們現在總共有統計440項的產品，我們每天都公布在食藥署官方網站首頁的一個專區。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-07-15T09:52:03.129000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-07-15T09:52:04.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
現在總共幾家？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
林次長靜儀 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-07-15T09:52:04.610000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-07-15T09:52:04.750000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
現在總共440。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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不只440啦！ |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:52:05.030000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:52:09.960000+08:00 |
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有幾個品項？ |
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0 |
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林次長靜儀 |
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2026-07-15T09:52:09.960000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:52:10.280000+08:00 |
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440項的產品。440個……產品。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:52:10.520000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:52:11.001000+08:00 |
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我給你看一個資料，你們有參加食安會報，對不對？有。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:52:25.459000+08:00 |
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113年開始，賴清德當總統、卓榮泰當行政院院長，他推動五環2.0食安政策，114年度的預算立法院非常支持你們，給了110億，比113年增加9.7%；各部會督導落實五環2.0，督導6部會完成19套資訊系統，串聯資料，用電子發票追蹤食品交易流向。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:53:01.336000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:53:01.796000+08:00 |
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這是什麼概念？ |
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0.833 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:53:03.236000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:53:04.897000+08:00 |
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就是要找食品雲的概念。 |
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0.9 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:53:11.615000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:53:15.797000+08:00 |
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民間app就已經有了，畫面會跳出「你中毒了嗎？ |
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0.6 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:53:15.957000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:53:37.646000+08:00 |
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」，讓民眾查一下，它就是財政部發票系統的pool裡面，專門focus在食品安全這部分，就是食品部分有一塊叫食品雲，你們根本都沒有做，你們跟民間來比不知道慢了幾拍，不是半拍，也不是一拍、也不是兩拍，是慢了N拍啊！ |
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林次長靜儀 |
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2026-07-15T09:53:40.528000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:53:53.917000+08:00 |
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委員，因為這些大廠跟中間的一層一層，就是第二層、第三層的廠商事實上也有明確的交易部分，所以我們直接從最源頭的大廠，包含中聯跟泰山、福懋、福壽3家直接找來。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:53:53.917000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:54:20.435000+08:00 |
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你跟我這樣隨便講一講，我要問你的是，老百姓要知道我今天去超商買個泡麵有沒有中標，老百姓關心的是這個，如果有，我現在就可以退錢，老實講，退錢不是我關心的，泡麵才幾十塊錢，不是我關心的，我關心的是我中標以後怎麼辦，要先把這個問題解決。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:54:20.435000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:54:21.155000+08:00 |
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這個我為什麼說你們沒做？ |
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0.636 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:54:22.016000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:54:59.550000+08:00 |
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因為卓榮泰院長說修法方向的其中一個就是食品雲，所以你們根本就沒有做，簡單來講，我要強調的是，財政部花這麼多錢做了電子雲端發票系統，你們第一個，沒有好好運用；第二個，沒有去把它整合，民間都比你們快，民間做出來了，告訴民眾說只要刷一下就馬上知道，scan就馬上知道我有沒有買到這個商品，有的話就可以退錢，但退錢不是我關心的，你是專業醫生，我就問你，我要怎麼樣知道我有沒有中標？ |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:54:59.550000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:07.275000+08:00 |
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就是我吃了這個東西，但是這些苯駢芘有沒有留在我的肝臟，或者留在我的腎臟？ |
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0.909 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:07.275000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:07.596000+08:00 |
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我怎麼測？ |
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0.75 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:08.116000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:08.917000+08:00 |
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抽血可不可以？ |
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1 |
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林次長靜儀 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:09.937000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:13.100000+08:00 |
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報告委員，因為它事實上不是用抽血驗…… |
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0.875 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:13.100000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:14.100000+08:00 |
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不然要用什麼驗？ |
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0.143 |
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林次長靜儀 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:13.520000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:19.465000+08:00 |
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而且民眾在吃的食物的烹調過程中就可能造成更高的苯駢芘。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:20.505000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:20.806000+08:00 |
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對啊，怎麼樣嘛？ |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:20.906000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:25.489000+08:00 |
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我現在就是想了解，對我的身體有沒有傷害？ |
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0.833 |
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林次長靜儀 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:25.769000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:40.439000+08:00 |
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站在衛福部這邊，我們當然是希望管控原來油的品質，所以我們用這個方式來控管，但是油到了每一戶的人家裡面，他炸雞排過程所產生出來的，這個不是我們在最前端管控油的品質可以處理的事情。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:40.979000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:52.727000+08:00 |
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你還是沒有回答我的問題嘛，我要問你的是，我關心的不是我去退錢，退幾十塊甚至幾百塊，我關心的是我都吃到了，我的健康有沒有受影響啊？ |
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0.879 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:53.108000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:53.728000+08:00 |
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有沒有大的damage？ |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:53.728000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:54.728000+08:00 |
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我關心的是這個。 |
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0 |
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林次長靜儀 |
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2026-07-15T09:55:54.589000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:56:09.161000+08:00 |
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所以我們一直提醒民眾，在飲食上面儘量減少這種高溫、高油的飲食，因為就算我們原來出產的油是符合標準的，它在烹調過程就可能造成更高的苯駢芘。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:56:09.702000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:56:11.684000+08:00 |
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所以你告訴民眾不要吃炸雞排，是不是這個意思？ |
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0.65 |
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林次長靜儀 |
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2026-07-15T09:56:12.604000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:56:15.627000+08:00 |
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委員，其實本來炸雞排就不是我們要鼓勵大家吃的食物啊！ |
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0.917 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:56:15.767000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:56:16.147000+08:00 |
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不要吃烤肉？ |
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1 |
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林次長靜儀 |
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2026-07-15T09:56:18.798000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:56:23.603000+08:00 |
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這些都是儘量避免，當然我知道在民生上大家喜歡，可是它本來就是…… |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:56:23.823000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:56:38.339000+08:00 |
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我請問審計長，就是我剛剛提的那個問題，行政院長卓榮泰昨天講要修法，其中有一個是建立食品雲，民間都已經有app了，這一部分你要不要督導一下？ |
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0.778 |
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陳審計長瑞敏 |
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2026-07-15T09:56:38.979000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:56:44.082000+08:00 |
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好，因為我們以前有看過食藥署建這幾個，好像成效不是挺好。對啊！ |
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0.926 |
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陳審計長瑞敏 |
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2026-07-15T09:56:45.043000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:56:51.186000+08:00 |
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所以我們會強化這一塊，因為要靠這一塊，才能夠比較掌握得住各面向。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:56:51.186000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-07-15T09:56:52.787000+08:00 |
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這樣好不好？ |
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0.2 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:56:52.787000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:56:58.625000+08:00 |
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我最後一句話請你回答，你多久時間可以把它查清楚？ |
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0.955 |
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陳審計長瑞敏 |
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2026-07-15T09:57:01.105000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:57:01.526000+08:00 |
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給我三個月。什麼？ |
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0.714 |
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陳審計長瑞敏 |
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2026-07-15T09:57:01.646000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:57:01.826000+08:00 |
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給我三個月。 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:57:02.886000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:57:03.966000+08:00 |
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好，三個月查清楚。 |
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0.857 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:57:04.106000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:57:19.150000+08:00 |
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我把話講完就可以了，第二次食安會報是卓榮泰主持的，內容就是要建構食品雲，所以他昨天講的是打自己嘴巴，他早就講了啊，只是你們沒有做，食藥署太老大了！ |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:57:19.370000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:57:21.771000+08:00 |
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不是食藥署，是衛福部老大在那裡啊！ |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2026-07-15T09:57:22.191000+08:00 |
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2026-07-15T09:57:25.933000+08:00 |
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院長的話都不聽，審計部查一下。 |
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陳審計長瑞敏 |
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好，給我們三個月。 |
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主席 |
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好，謝謝，我們結束賴士葆委員的質詢。 |
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主席 |
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接下來請郭國文委員。 |
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賴委員士葆：（9時45分）謝謝主席以及各位先進，有請主計長與審計長。 |
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主席：請主計長跟審計長。 |
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陳審計長瑞敏：委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：兩位長官好。先請教主計長，前幾天公布的平均薪資是多少錢？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：四萬七左右。 |
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賴委員士葆：四萬七千多，快四萬八。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：對。 |
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賴委員士葆：有多少人沒有達到這個標準？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：大概有69%左右的人。 |
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賴委員士葆：67%左右，將近70%。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：前幾天（7月12號）你們公布平均薪資是4萬7,884元，有594萬的勞工低於平均，5年來增加37萬人低於平均薪資，這個講出了一件事情，就是臺灣現在隨著股市這樣子飆，但富者越富、貧者越貧的情形更嚴重，5年來低於平均薪資的比率是逐年上升。今年GDP大概可以多少？有沒有10%？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：主計總處估是9.64%。 |
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賴委員士葆：9.64%？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：但是中研院也有估，說是十點多。 |
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賴委員士葆：中研院估超過10%喔！ |
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陳主計長淑姿：好像是10.03%的樣子。 |
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賴委員士葆：CPI呢？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：CPI上個月是2.6%。 |
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賴委員士葆：2.6%高於中央銀行心目中的底線2%。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：是，整年平均大概是1.93%。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以你看，貧富差距不斷擴大、物價不斷上漲，人民就越來越苦，多數人民是過苦日子的。審計長，你要來講一下嗎？審計部要不要去…… |
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陳審計長瑞敏：委員的關心，我們也關心…… |
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賴委員士葆：降低貧富差距，審計部有沒有責成財政部做一點事情？比如稅的問題或什麼問題等等，有沒有？ |
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陳審計長瑞敏：我們現在在做114年審核報告，在審核報告裡面有對這個部分提出一些預警意見，所以大概我們…… |
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賴委員士葆：你講一個最重要的是什麼？哪個工具可以降低貧富差距？現在看起來越來越嚴重，連續5年三分之二以上的人領不到平均薪資，非常嚴重啊！而且物價一直漲，你跟我講一個重點，一個就好了。 |
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陳審計長瑞敏：最低工資適合對基層，政府對這個部分調，我們發現是有幫助的，但是因為這個面向很廣，所以我要告訴委員，在政府的政策裡面，調整最低工資這個部分…… |
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賴委員士葆：你要不要…… |
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陳審計長瑞敏：但資本利得也要考慮，因為現在資本利得的影響也相當大，會把整個財務差距一直拉擴大。 |
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賴委員士葆：我希望你持續關注這個問題，好不好？ |
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陳審計長瑞敏：好。 |
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賴委員士葆：這部分就當一個題目來做報告，好不好？做研究給我。 |
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陳審計長瑞敏：好，我再提供給委員。 |
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賴委員士葆：以審計部的角度出發，看如何降低臺灣的貧富差距。 |
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陳審計長瑞敏：好，謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：主計長請回，審計長留下。我們請衛福部的長官林政次。 |
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主席：請林政次。 |
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林次長靜儀：委員早。 |
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賴委員士葆：次長，你本身是醫生又當過立委，整個社會對於毒油的關心你應該很清楚，毒油是很嚴重的一個事情，昨天卓榮泰院長也做了專案報告，到現在為止，在這個時刻我們都不知道毒油是怎麼產生的，怎麼會有毒油？是原料的問題還是製程的問題？到底是什麼問題？ |
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林次長靜儀：謝謝委員讓我們說明…… |
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賴委員士葆：請簡短。 |
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林次長靜儀：其實這次是在製油過程中，它的溫度可能控管不好，溫度控管不好之後，它的…… |
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賴委員士葆：確定喔！ |
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林次長靜儀：我們至少在專家現在…… |
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賴委員士葆：所以是製程問題，不是原料問題，是不是？確定嗎？ |
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林次長靜儀：原料比較溼，所以製程的時候溫度拉得比較高，溫度拉比較高之後，苯駢芘的濃度可能會上升，可是其實在製程過程中…… |
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賴委員士葆：所以你等於拿這個…… |
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林次長靜儀：製程過程如果品管得好，它應該能夠把拉高的苯駢芘再降下來。 |
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賴委員士葆：院長都不敢定調，你定調了，說這是製程的問題，不是進口黃豆的問題，所以不要冤枉進口的，是不是？ |
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林次長靜儀：我們目前認為……因為有用巴西黃豆的也不只這一家，可是別人可以把品管做好。 |
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賴委員士葆：我要跟你講一個比較重要的題目，財政部已經花了幾十億去建構一個電子發票整合服務平台，裡面有賣這個油的資料一進來，中間經過第一層、第二層、第三層，通通清清楚楚，因為要課稅，但你們沒有用啊！衛福部沒有用財政部這個系統。 |
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林次長靜儀：向委員報告，部長有特別跟我們說，財政部可以協助我們。 |
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賴委員士葆：對啊！財政部不是現在才開始做，做了好幾年了，花了幾十億，都是政府的錢，結果你們都把這個放在那裡納涼，到現在為止都沒有告訴我們說到底跑去哪裡，請問你們現在公布的，什麼時候可以list出來？ |
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林次長靜儀：委員，我們每天都有公布。 |
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賴委員士葆：等一下，我的問題還沒問完，你不要急著回答。你什麼時候可以完整地告訴全國消費者說這一家的泡麵有問題或那個的什麼有問題，以及總共幾家有問題，什麼時候可以公布？ |
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林次長靜儀：委員，我們現在總共有統計440項的產品，我們每天都公布在食藥署官方網站首頁的一個專區。 |
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賴委員士葆：現在總共幾家？ |
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林次長靜儀：現在總共440。 |
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賴委員士葆：不只440啦！有幾個品項？ |
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林次長靜儀：440項的產品。 |
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賴委員士葆：440個…… |
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林次長靜儀：產品。 |
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賴委員士葆：我給你看一個資料，你們有參加食安會報，對不對？ |
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林次長靜儀：有。 |
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賴委員士葆：113年開始，賴清德當總統、卓榮泰當行政院院長，他推動五環2.0食安政策，114年度的預算立法院非常支持你們，給了110億，比113年增加9.7%；各部會督導落實五環2.0，督導6部會完成19套資訊系統，串聯資料，用電子發票追蹤食品交易流向。這是什麼概念？就是要找食品雲的概念。民間app就已經有了，畫面會跳出「你中毒了嗎？」，讓民眾查一下，它就是財政部發票系統的pool裡面，專門focus在食品安全這部分，就是食品部分有一塊叫食品雲，你們根本都沒有做，你們跟民間來比不知道慢了幾拍，不是半拍，也不是一拍、也不是兩拍，是慢了N拍啊！ |
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林次長靜儀：委員，因為這些大廠跟中間的一層一層，就是第二層、第三層的廠商事實上也有明確的交易部分，所以我們直接從最源頭的大廠，包含中聯跟泰山、福懋、福壽3家直接找來。 |
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賴委員士葆：你跟我這樣隨便講一講，我要問你的是，老百姓要知道我今天去超商買個泡麵有沒有中標，老百姓關心的是這個，如果有，我現在就可以退錢，老實講，退錢不是我關心的，泡麵才幾十塊錢，不是我關心的，我關心的是我中標以後怎麼辦，要先把這個問題解決。這個我為什麼說你們沒做？因為卓榮泰院長說修法方向的其中一個就是食品雲，所以你們根本就沒有做，簡單來講，我要強調的是，財政部花這麼多錢做了電子雲端發票系統，你們第一個，沒有好好運用；第二個，沒有去把它整合，民間都比你們快，民間做出來了，告訴民眾說只要刷一下就馬上知道，scan就馬上知道我有沒有買到這個商品，有的話就可以退錢，但退錢不是我關心的，你是專業醫生，我就問你，我要怎麼樣知道我有沒有中標？就是我吃了這個東西，但是這些苯駢芘有沒有留在我的肝臟，或者留在我的腎臟？我怎麼測？抽血可不可以？ |
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林次長靜儀：報告委員，因為它事實上不是用抽血驗…… |
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賴委員士葆：不然要用什麼驗？ |
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林次長靜儀：而且民眾在吃的食物的烹調過程中就可能造成更高的苯駢芘。 |
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賴委員士葆：對啊，怎麼樣嘛？我現在就是想了解，對我的身體有沒有傷害？ |
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林次長靜儀：站在衛福部這邊，我們當然是希望管控原來油的品質，所以我們用這個方式來控管，但是油到了每一戶的人家裡面，他炸雞排過程所產生出來的，這個不是我們在最前端管控油的品質可以處理的事情。 |
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賴委員士葆：你還是沒有回答我的問題嘛，我要問你的是，我關心的不是我去退錢，退幾十塊甚至幾百塊，我關心的是我都吃到了，我的健康有沒有受影響啊？有沒有大的damage？我關心的是這個。 |
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林次長靜儀：所以我們一直提醒民眾，在飲食上面儘量減少這種高溫、高油的飲食，因為就算我們原來出產的油是符合標準的，它在烹調過程就可能造成更高的苯駢芘。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以你告訴民眾不要吃炸雞排，是不是這個意思？ |
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林次長靜儀：委員，其實本來炸雞排就不是我們要鼓勵大家吃的食物啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：不要吃烤肉？ |
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林次長靜儀：這些都是儘量避免，當然我知道在民生上大家喜歡，可是它本來就是…… |
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賴委員士葆：我請問審計長，就是我剛剛提的那個問題，行政院長卓榮泰昨天講要修法，其中有一個是建立食品雲，民間都已經有app了，這一部分你要不要督導一下？ |
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陳審計長瑞敏：好，因為我們以前有看過食藥署建這幾個，好像成效不是挺好。 |
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賴委員士葆：對啊！ |
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陳審計長瑞敏：所以我們會強化這一塊，因為要靠這一塊，才能夠比較掌握得住各面向。 |
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賴委員士葆：這樣好不好？我最後一句話請你回答，你多久時間可以把它查清楚？ |
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陳審計長瑞敏：給我三個月。 |
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賴委員士葆：什麼？ |
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陳審計長瑞敏：給我三個月。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，三個月查清楚。我把話講完就可以了，第二次食安會報是卓榮泰主持的，內容就是要建構食品雲，所以他昨天講的是打自己嘴巴，他早就講了啊，只是你們沒有做，食藥署太老大了！不是食藥署，是衛福部老大在那裡啊！院長的話都不聽，審計部查一下。 |
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陳審計長瑞敏：好，給我們三個月。 |
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主席：好，謝謝，我們結束賴士葆委員的質詢。 |
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接下來請郭國文委員。 |
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426 |
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委員會-11-5-20-22 |
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李彥秀 |
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林德福 |
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吳秉叡 |
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賴士葆 |
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郭國文 |
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林岱樺 |
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賴惠員 |
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劉書彬 |
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顏寬恒 |
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李坤城 |
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林思銘 |
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羅明才 |
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王世堅 |
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許忠信 |
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洪孟楷 |
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王育敏 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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葉元之 |
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357 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2026-07-15 |
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1156302 |
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1156302_00005 |
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立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第22次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請審計部陳審計長瑞敏、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、衛生福利部石部長崇良、教育部鄭部
長英耀就「政府食品安全管理機制、食安五環與校園食安預算執行及審核結果」進行專題報告，
並備質詢 |
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1156302_00004 |