| IVOD_ID |
170425 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170425 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-13T13:20:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-13T13:39:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:18:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0e832b2683ee9ecec2083bf2f2427915160bf55e4e25a139359df6c887d2b74b2d8f15caca8ddabc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳思瑤 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:20:48 - 13:39:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部政務次長林靜儀、行政院食品安全辦公室主任許輔列席就「校園食品安全把關機制及致癌油事件因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀列席就「學生出缺勤管理及校園秩序維護政策亂象檢討與改善措施」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
三、審查教育部函為修正「高級中等以下學校教師解聘不續聘停聘或資遣辦法」部分條文及「公立高級中等以下學校教師成績考核辦法」第五條、第六條之一條文案。
四、審查
(一)國民黨黨團擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第三條條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員林德福等25人擬具「教育經費編列與管理法增訂第三條之二條文草案」案。
(………因系統字數上限，詳見議事日程)） |
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我先請衛福部林次長有請次長 |
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晚安次郎辛苦了真的從上午到下午明天立法院還有一整天卓院長會負責任的到立法院的大會接受各黨派的食安專報我想我們都理性的監督但是我非常遺憾當我們在致癌油問題油的事情還在釐清還在應變 |
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今天赫然又出現了鋪天蓋地的錯假訊息說毒蘋果來了 |
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我覺得這些錯假訊息的傳送者非常的其心可異不斷的興風作浪在整個社會對於食安議題高度關切的這個當下居然又惡意的在社群上散播我想請您說明所謂社群上散播的食藥署放寬蘋果農藥分普尼 |
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殘留標準放寬了六倍也就是政府要讓人民從美國進口吃到毒蘋果是事實嗎不是 |
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所以呢芬普尼跟芬普寧有什麼不同您請要跟大家科比一下這兩個是用在不一樣的地方我是不是請副署長快速的跟大家講我看到社群上已經傳成一片我們這次訂的是芬普寧安寧的寧那這個是在國內不是芬普尼那芬普尼這個藥呢是在國內是 |
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水旋剂水旋剂是禁止使用它只是准许使用利剂所以它有一部分的时候是被禁掉所以这两个药是不一样完全不一样的东西是完全不一样的东西而且政府是基于科学把关而不是因为 |
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美国与台湾的关税协定而被迫放宽也就是以美论现在又被操作了所以品相不同分普宁分普尼两者大不同而也没有放宽标准六倍我们一切是基于科学的把关依据科学的标准 |
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對跟我們補充就是說我們其實因為有很多台灣事實上是有各式各樣的蔬果食品等等跟全世界在做貿易那有的是我們要出口而是別人要進口那進口出口依據不同的國家不同的食用的模式那他的相關的風險以及不同的國家在種植物的時候他所用到藥品等等不同所以其實定期我們在農藥的標準農藥殘留標準的檢驗裡面都是定期在驗的不是針對某些國家 |
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所以说这一次那我想请问目前社群上的这些恶意的传播你们一级法规一食安法可以搜证可以要求查处可以严格法办而且可以要求平台下架目前进行的如何 |
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目前食藥署會發文針對就是有這些錯誤的資訊或者是蓄意散播謠言的話我們會發文給相關平台業者那如果大家有明確發現有蓄意要造謠的部分的話也可以讓我們知道我們可以相關查處 |
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目前為止似乎還沒有被強制下架相關的文章你們要求我們依法有授權嘛要求平台業者要負起他的社會責任不要讓這些作假的訊息不斷的藉由平台的這種無遠弗屆的傳播力我今天早上等了一個上午一直在刷 |
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已經轉傳到非常離譜的狀況所以我被迫在今天的質詢請你們再一次的以正視聽好嗎好 謝謝委員我們新聞稿已經發了那相關的這個跟平台聯繫的部分我們今天下午會立刻處理我們也呼籲所有的國人安心沒有毒蘋果這件事沒有放寬分譜尼六倍標準這件事沒有政府為了跟美國的關稅談判ART的順利結果而犧牲了國人的健康 |
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都没有这些事大家要能够分辨这些错假的讯息大家也彼此的提醒那我请署长彭署长是洗手间不好意思有请署长自然你可能也稍后一下下署长辛苦了下一页 |
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我非常仔細的針對這一次的校園食安我們的整個管理我去就法規面制度面再去重盤檢視了一次在法規面我們可以依據的法律有食品安全衛生管理法 |
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在校園端我們有學校衛生法可以來落實校園食品安全的管理責任我們另外還有相關的執法學校餐廳廚房原生消費合作社衛生管理辦法進一步針對衛生管理制度來下手我們同樣可以 |
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经由现在的学校午餐食物内容营养基准还有校园饮品点心贩售范围等等行政规范所以在法制面我可以说面对任何可能冲击学生安全的食安在法制面校园目前是非常完备的 |
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也在這些法律的授權之下看看這個最左手邊就是這一次的教育部校園食材登錄平台它確實是發揮了作用我們可以一筆一筆快速的透過食材登錄的制度去追蹤流向所以這個系統是2020年上路到現在 |
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我想法规的完备制度还有这个平台的运作有没有顺利尤其在应变的过程这是我最关切的而我这次发现你们另外还新设了一个line的通报小尖兵是吗是的这个作用是补什么之不足 |
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這個我們希望我們除了剛剛講的一些機制包含email還有我們跟縣市的直接的人工通報怕漏掉之外我們另外又做了一軌所以說這一次在新的作為現有的食材登錄平台裡頭我們又快速的訂定一個方便學校發聲 |
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任何可疑的状况可以快速主动的透过这个LINE的通报小兼兵的系统可以回溯也可以回报给各地的县市政府包括教育部这个部分我在制度面我是要给予肯定你们的反应够快但是呢这就要有教育我们有行政院的消保处的同仁在这里吗这一次来副处长 |
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這一次的食安的事件跨部會都要動起來第一時間徹查下架所有有離綠的油品第二步嚴格的罰辦重罰不罰的廠商 |
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而第三關也就是依據我們食安法有所授權我們可以啟動食安基金協助廣大的消費者除了退換貨之外要可以經由一個集體的訴訟來求償我不曉得現在行政院的規劃尤其在校園可能就是替各級學校一併來集體求償的一個有效的作為請問行政院目前的做法 |
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这个跟委员报告在这个提起消费团体诉讼这个区块我们已经协调了国内两个优良的消保团体也跟他们做过相关的一些协调协商他们都愿意积极来做将来的团体诉讼的相关后续的一个处理将来是多久的将来 |
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目前来讲的话其实还是在目前来讲因为有30件的一个申诉案件所以那部件我们还是在持续的收集这些申诉的案件那将来的话会有一些相关的一些规划比如说在104年的时候其实那是发生石米油的相关的事件所以我们会协调这个优良的消保团体那我们会定出相关的一些规范 |
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比如说我们会写请我们的教育部我们的国教署来跟校园的这些受害的这些师生做一些这个询问说明会之类的然后收集相关的资料我知道你们动作也很快 |
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已经有两家优良的消保团体愿意来承接那在这里就把讯息请彭处长还有我们部长这里协助未来可能学生跟教职员员工在内的校园的集体诉讼的球场可能会是一个重要必须要去进行的法律的行动我想我们横向联系请行政院来快速来协助我们好吗好下一页 |
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剛剛武力華委員有針對食安法的修法我想我基本上是同意我歸納出未來修法我們要補強這一次三級評管確實讓大家很疑惑四月發生但是我們中央政府到6月30號才明確的接獲到通報 |
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换言之三级的平款的制度我们确实要在法规面去强化所以我提出了这四点归纳也提供给你们未来在修法要做参照当然强化源头的控管我想卫福部已经看到问题了第二个在制程端的严格审查有效的进行试验抽验如果有重大的制程或原料的来源变更的话我想就你们会纳入嘛 |
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第三个我也会要求提高业者自主检验的频率而且强制的通报上传当然第三方的通报义务我们引进第三方检验机构的资格认证就可以来杜绝厂商隐匿的这些疑虑我想我归纳出四大的食安修法的方向卫福部是不是都纳入参照快速的启动谢谢我们会相关一起来演绎好 |
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谢谢那辛苦大家我想明天立法院还有一整天的专报谢谢不好意思部长你辛苦我也请政部长我后边这个问题今天呢来部长辛苦 |
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我今天赫然發現 招委有另外一個議案今天也排了審查 對不起 巡打就是教育經費編列與管理法那也有在野黨的委員明確的入法修正要求各級政府教育經費的預算合計 |
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不應低於該年度預算籌編時前三年決算稅入淨額平均值的24%從現有的23%的法規提升1%24%問題這1%在中央的預算支出就非常的龐大部長大概是將近400億吧是 |
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當然我不需要再贅述對於財政紀律法第五條第七條立法委員不能片面增加政府支出更不得增訂固定的經費額度或比例的保障我都不需要再贅述只是這些立委一而再再而三的要違法來修法下一頁部長這是我們的警訊喔這個表呢 |
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上一週的質詢我只做到ABCD啦現在又加了一個1了 朝偉在拍照很好請記錄喔我們的大學法 高級中等教育法專科學校法 也就是學代三法強制透過立委的修法片面增加而且中央全負擔一年增加國庫100到400億 |
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B就是營養午餐專法下午可能會逐條每年強制要求中央買單又要增加國庫138億 |
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C幼兒教育及照顧法又要求中央地方負擔的額度呢又強制的來入法中央又大施寫每年要增加400到600億D呢國教向下延伸而且是中央買單一次性的硬體增加至少80億而每年常態會增加國庫100億 |
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到1ABCDE今天最新的教育經費編列與管理法又因為這個1%的修改每年國庫又要增加400億所以ABCDE加起來教育部每年要增加1138億到1638億plus固定的硬體 |
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80億一次每年國家又要有1138到1638億教育部有錢嗎部長我們才化法我們一年教育部少了多少錢教育部少了900多億 |
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我們有不挺教育嗎 夏業當我們的國家財政有餘裕我們來看看我從2017年 |
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我们所编列的教育预算到2026年我来看这10年间我们total的教育的投入是增加1731亿成长的比例是79.4%换言之成长了80%这是当我们国家有余裕 |
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我們一定大力投資在教育上而這個權利是誰的就是行政權行政權可以合理的去分配我對於國家預算的投入這就是具體的數字所以從2017到2025我們每一年都提升8年間增加1731億 |
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比起剛剛委員他修改1%每年強制的400我們其實能做的我們絕對大幅的超車啊 |
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而这当中唯一的一年我们的教育经费不减反增是哪一年呢部长就是我们受到才化法冲击中央4165亿被搬走的那一年所以我们从2025国家的教育投资来到3910亿的史上新高被迫因为才化法钱搬到地方去了我们往下修变成3410亿 |
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即便如此我們還是大幅成長了56.4%的教育投資所以我要說的是我們重視教育我們加碼教育國家的裁員合理分配教育部絕對拼了命的去爭取預算這每一筆不就是你們爭取來的嗎我們要大聲的告訴社會啊 |
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我們要告訴所有負責任的這些立法委員修法不是那麼簡單你寫了一個數字多一趴少一趴可是對於整個預算權限就是行政權我們難道有虧待預算嗎我們有虧待教育嗎部長我時間到了我就停留在這一個頁面 |
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你們好好去論述吧我們這10年間努力的成長了80%的教育預算這是我們的用心陳主委員所提如果把這個財化法以後這個教育部跟行政院的一般補助用在補助地方的這一個整個我們今年事實上的預算事實上是4300億 |
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又史上新高了嘛如果沒有硬因為等於切出去了將近900億這個地方所以我們才會看到這個只有3400好我回到財化法最後一頁要修這個法下一頁可以我們請在野黨委員不要持續冷凍丟包了行政院版的財化法 |
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行政院版的才化法216天216天216天被冷冻了我们替国家人民孩童争取教育预算但是中央地方一起来全责相扶一起来协助教育做得更好而根本就是回到才化法 |
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今天委員們片面提出這個教育經費編列的這個管理法片面的在修法卻無視於財政的根本大法才化法還躺在那裡如果如委員今天所提的這個法案連水費電費這些依據地方制度法都應當地方分擔的還有營養午餐強制要中央買單 |
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我覺得這才是真正的教育的災難這真的才是教育的災難我剛剛整理了部長就這個會期教育委員會提出來的錢坑肉桶違反行政分立的法案一年教育部製多又要再支出1638億 |
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1161.527 |
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我们真的很难维持教育的品质我们要大方大声的来说出事实的真相好吗我们辛苦了一起加油谢谢 |