| IVOD_ID |
170415 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170415 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-13T09:34:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-13T09:54:51+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:19:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0e832b2683ee9ece0a435111f49a94c5160bf55e4e25a139c1eadaedc6251e65b2c76d9d4ef1a3e25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:34:52 - 09:54:51 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀、衛生福利部政務次長林靜儀、行政院食品安全辦公室主任許輔列席就「校園食品安全把關機制及致癌油事件因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請教育部部長鄭英耀列席就「學生出缺勤管理及校園秩序維護政策亂象檢討與改善措施」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
三、審查教育部函為修正「高級中等以下學校教師解聘不續聘停聘或資遣辦法」部分條文及「公立高級中等以下學校教師成績考核辦法」第五條、第六條之一條文案。
四、審查
(一)國民黨黨團擬具「教育經費編列與管理法第三條條文修正草案」案。
(二)委員林德福等25人擬具「教育經費編列與管理法增訂第三條之二條文草案」案。
(………因系統字數上限，詳見議事日程)） |
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有請政醫藥部長跟林靜儀次長有請部長有請次長 |
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我想先請教次長這個食用油品出現一級致癌物本田皮嚴重超標 |
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那變成食安風暴我看到連執政黨的立委都痛批衛福部食藥署說要追究行政疏失然後認為你們的危機處理慢半拍我想請教針對執政黨立委這樣的一個質疑 |
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我想請問我們的次長你覺得衛福部有行政疏失嗎謝謝委員給我們這個時間說明因為我們是6月30收到中聯通知他們拋錶7月1號進行處理 |
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你不需要把報告唸到我們還是要說清楚因為我們6月30日接到但是我還是要你認為沒有行政疏失嗎剛剛提到的後續如何在廠商這邊劉建國都要徹雜行政疏失我們後續在廠商這邊他們什麼時候的通報程序這邊的精進這個部分一定要處理人民的食安吞下肚 |
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你連你們執政黨立委都看不下我是幫劉建國報區啊來時間暫停請官員針對委員質詢的問題喔直接回答麥克風檢查一下有沒有問題聲音怪怪的請繼續我再重述問你一次喔劉建國說要徹查行政書師你認為你有行政書師嗎我們會尊重委員這邊的徹查啊 徹查啊所以你到現在認為沒有嘛沒有委員你們要查我們就尊重委員的查啊我告訴你很簡單啦 |
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整篇的報告裡面也完全沒有在追究在檢討你們自己衛福部的責任我看過了我以為我們六月三十接到中聯通現在我們要檢討是廠商發現問題之後不要再跟我再繼續倒帶了我要繼續問問題來你部長致歉了沒有道歉了沒有我們對於這件事情我們當然致歉因為他影響了廠商沒有行政書師需要道歉嗎 |
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來 我告訴你 連部長本身都有檢討誠意 公開道歉你在這邊 你到底在凹什麼民眾期待政府就是一個嚴格的把關我們來看看 我要問你 請教你請問現在有問題的油品總量到底是多少 |
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現在我們在中聯這邊我們接獲的以及後續在7月12號我們又接到一批他們的通知所以目前檢驗從4月份到6月份中聯這邊檢驗到有問題的有5批郵品但是我們4月到6月5批但是我們4月到6月現在全部預防性下架多少量 |
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預防性下架總共2000我要請媒體朋友跟所有的台灣民眾看看啦這就是衛福部次長 |
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我們請曾氏就曾氏可以讓我唸現在我問你多少量所以我現在繼續把報告再唸一遍我現在要唸的現在我們預防性下架的包含預防性下架的所有跟中聯有關的總共是27532.7公噸非常謝謝您啊光一個27000噸我就要問個兩分鐘沒關係啊 |
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你要拖時間後面還有別的立委從 |
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衛福部7月對外宣布到現在兩週從1300噸變成2600噸現在變成你口中的27000噸還會更多目前在中聯我們是4到6月你認為有問題你預防性下降就認為可能有問題嘛我們4到6月預防性下降所以全部27532那請問還會更多 還有沒有更多 |
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目前我們的檢驗到現在沒有更多就是這些都預防性下架了這個數字從一千三暴增到兩千六現在變成可能預防性下架兩萬七千噸我告訴你啊全國民眾看著食藥署這種慢半拍荒腔走板的執行越查越多越查越離譜來再來我想請教業者部分當然進入司法調查我知道 |
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我繼續問行政責任行政院衛福部跟食藥署有受到任何處分嗎有任何行政調查追溯政治責任管理責任跟決策責任嗎有沒有目前為止有沒有 |
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你是問行政院還是問行政院上級長官啊如果行政宿舍他要啟動啊我們現在持續都跟長官這邊進行報告我沒有啦行政院開始啟動行政調查了你們針對你們行政宿舍我們開始啟動行政調查這個委員你問我不知道你不知道啊來衛福部有沒有 |
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我們目前正在全力的把這個目前的食安狀況處理好讓民眾可以安心游遊所以也沒進行行政疏失的調查嗎現在對於這些油廠我們進行的是司法上的處理我告訴你不要講別的啦我幫劉建國抱屈啦講了也是白講講了也是白講到目前為止結論很簡單又清楚又明白嘛 |
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你們並沒有負責任的意思啊中央政府顯然認為即便衛福部是食安法主管機關就算現在民怨沸騰又如何你奈我何啊只要你今天回答的態度像跟次長你的回答態度一樣報告唸一唸就結束了事啊我不跟你講不用講別的事情我光倒帶一件事情看到這個報告讓全民來檢驗啦 |
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你這報告連那2.7萬多你都不敢寫進去一定要問了半天來我要告訴你中央的責任跟疏失在哪裡我來告訴你4月業者自主查出問題之後至少盡力4次業者查驗超標到6月底中央才知道你們結果是7月1號只要求問題的原油跟分裝品下架 |
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第二層產品是不處理的數百個家下游名單不公開這是你們第一時間的危機處理來來來 我只告訴你事實發生如何民眾去公平嘛 |
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7月4號開始轉彎擴大下架然後就端出一個油製品成分超過20%者需下架的標準到7月7號再度大轉彎全數預防性下架我說光看你們今天通報後的決策數天數變完全看著輿論風向走嘛先拖到什麼程度擠牙膏擠到什麼程度我們就下架到哪裡 |
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我想要請問 食安等不等同國安啊各式各樣的都是國安是嘛等同人民的生命安全啊當然是國家有大問題啊結果你們用什麼方式來去做滿不滿意不用我來講讓你們執政黨立委自己講讓今天全國民眾來講來 接下來喔我來請教一下我們部長 |
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目前掌握數字獨遊流進學校數量是多少我們因應措施有完備嗎跟委員報告我們確實在7月1號 |
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收到這樣一個訊息馬上這一個國教署就從我們的這個平台上第一天馬上就收集到有一千三百八十所學校是有用到中聯這三家的一個大概量是多少然後呢 |
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我們就請各地方縣市政府開始教育局處去查那麼查的時候第一批在7月7號的時候我們大概發現到有這一個五個縣市有228個學校是有使用全部下架在這第一波然後第二波到7月7號又公布第二波的時候我們 |
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這個7月9號再公布了7月7號是232的這個品項7月9號440個品項我們根據這個馬上有20個縣市好 謝謝部長 謝謝部長我要告訴你喔起碼次長看一看啦至少願意回答問題啊但是我要拜託今天部長還有後面的次長你就知道今天食安問題有多大 |
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上千所學校也受牽連教育部不是食安法主管機關但是有責任為今天食藥署衛福部把關不嚴今天已經串到校園來部長 你能不能擔保今天我們學校的校園學生的食安不會受這個食油的安全問題所波及影響 |
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跟委員報告我們建立這個平台確實每一天的一個食材都透明公開而且要上網繼續努力啦謝謝部長謝謝謝謝委員部長我想請教你下一個問題喔 |
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這回有到教文委員會我其實一直在做我們選區的學校的實際的訪談跟所謂的那個請益那過去我跟部長也反映過教師荒的問題那也有很多的校長跟我反映有行政大逃亡的問題就是說行政業務越來越多排擠教學心理也讓很多的老師不敢踏入教職甚至許多學校連主任職都找不到 |
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那我知道教育部有提出一些支持增補行政能力的計畫包括國中有增製學務能力嘛其他成績也有類似那我肯定教育部的態度啦但是我這邊有一個建議希望政府有意願來幫助但應該要真正落實政策的美意我遇到有些國中校長有這樣建議他說國中美校是增製一位能力 |
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但實際上教育現場的行政能力還是非常缺而且因為每個學校的學生人數事情繁雜度不一全部所有學校都是以一個人來去編配那對於人就是學生數校園規模比較大的學校他們就人力緊缺的問題比較嚴重所以他們 |
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認為說可不可以調整以學生人數為基準讓學生數越多的學校可以有越多的人力比方說在學校的護理師也是用學生人數來評估的嘛那我的建議也就是校長們的建議說綜合學校空間標準跟教育現場的建議是否可以調整以實體班為計算標準36班含以下的補一人37班以上就可以有兩人 |
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我不知道部長可不可以幫忙我們這些學校的教育現場的人力不足給這樣的一個後盾跟幫助 |
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謝謝委員關心教育品質包括減少我們老師的一個行政壓力我想確實現在的挑戰是比較大也跟委員報告去年我們會協務人力會增加是沒有我進來以後在年度的預算並沒有變成這個我們內部調整但是我先謝謝你啦我先謝謝你就是說增加一個有幫助 |
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說明說委員的建議我們也會考慮在未來我們希望在年度的預算能夠編進去然後能夠用班級考量它的一個規模初步我們因為沒有預算我們算是內部應試起來也聽到也看到了這個地方的一個聲音我先謝謝部長了那這個意見麻煩我們教育部再去研議一下我覺得校長提的意見很有道理就是看學校規模來去設計能力的編排 |
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那另外也是幫我們學生來請願政府一直在宣傳高中職跟五專前三年全面免納學費這也是德政那減輕了很多青年學子跟家長的負擔那這點我是給您肯定但是 |
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事實上同樣國中畢業去就讀私立的學校私立高中職跟私立武專其他平均的補助金額還是有非常大的差別我舉個例子我這邊拿到資料103年以來私立高中職最高每升每學期補助金額從103年的22,800元調整到114年的26,000 |
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261,162元已經調漲了4次那學費因為師資人士變動學費更的提高可是五專每升每學期補助金額我們可以看到教育部拿到的資料 |
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103年平均每升是用一整學年而不是一個學期103年平均每升每學年補助金額是19643元到114年變成19219元還縮水 |
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那五專是培育我們國家專業的人才那未來學生有專業技能也可以補上很多專業產業的缺口因為這邊時間有限啦我把這問題拋出來我希望教育部能夠給我一個報告說這個部分你們覺得是不是能夠來幫助我們今天那個學生們來去在補助上變得是更公平然後讓他們 |
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同樣能夠接受到國家的德政讓年輕人在這個求學的階段可以得到更多的幫助謝謝委員提醒我想我們可以來研議因為高職的部分 居高的部分它確實會因為內科補助的這個協會會有不同 |
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那這個五專這個部分我們看怎麼樣來縮短剛才委員所提的我們以實際性來研議然後希望來真正落實我們的本來這個免學會的這個政策能夠照顧到最後我先謝謝部長反正這兩個部分都是我想請部裡面給我一個報告讓我們一起來研商最後我是給部長一個小小的建議 |
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6月29號我們在審校士會議的時候我想部長應該知道在尤其在體權教育這部片引起很多人關心教育現場問題的時候校士會議的改進跟檢討已經變成全國教師認為的重中之重了我先不去細究今天你講所謂的這個請病假的過程我光講一件事情我希望部長以後你還是要把它放在心上 |
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在老師們覺得這麼重要的校師會議的改革的議程上立法院排了他已經不是尊重立法院的問題而已他也包括今天全國老師心心念念希望部長能夠在這個教育改革的現場立法院的現場能夠來展現出今天 |
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幫助老師來去解決教育現場困境的一個態度但是我覺得真的很遺憾你那天選擇的是去彰化陪候選人去視察當然你認為視察也重要啦可是這兩件事情的輕重緩急我覺得這是部長第一個要給你提醒的那第二個就是當然我也要必須說啦因為6月18號下午你請假的時候那時候我是站在羅廷維召委旁邊你那時候確實身體不舒服吧 |
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18號謝謝委員喔我也利用這個機會澄清一下沒有我知道你沒有講你請假是18號不是29號好沒關係可是我要這邊跟你部長你講兩件事嘛第一個就是在當時6月18號我在羅廷偉旁邊聽到你身體不適我們還請你多保重對不對所以我心存感激其實那一天中午我要離開有有有有有這個召委跟您都有送我到門口部長先等我講完啦齁我只是要把問題釐清給你建議啦 |
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我覺得基本上羅昭偉那時候也是一個體恤不長身體的狀況但是那時候確實在旁邊我的感覺是你只要身體的狀況沒改變的話基本上你會在這種狀況之下你不會來立法院嘛所以羅昭偉跟我們認知到你身體不舒服不來立法院可是今天將心比心當立法院審查校事會議的時候 |
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我們停留在你6月18號身體不舒服所以你沒有來當然認為是身體不舒服沒來嘛結果你到了彰化去陪著這個縣長的參選人來去考察那這個東西基本上我覺得外界有誤意啊部長我覺得你還是可以把它放在心上但是真正重要重點我還是提醒部長那天是審查校師會議啊 |
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大家都那麼關心這件事情就部長這個輕重環境你的選擇感謝委員的提醒但是我也必須要澄清當時我們事實上也跟召委請假然後事實上也不是用病假然後我也要跟委員報告我到地方去如果委員有觀察到我特別會到偏鄉原來的農業縣市我不會到我比較稍微用時間到了我就給你一個簡單的建議我要跟委員報告 |
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包含那一天 地下不爭官啦是 謝依鳳委員也是我辦公室特別通知謝委員說我會到彰化去看地方的一切我要利用這個機會跟委員報告我只要到地方一定會跟地方縣市的教育部級處長做通知我是給你一個建議啦 |
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輕重環節還是要分啦我相信到地方考察的時間是很彈性的有各種時間可以安排但校式會議的那個審查就那一天啦所有老師睜大眼睛在看就是那一天身為教育部長 |
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大家在看說希望教育部長在那個會議當中展現出當老師後盾的態度這一點給部長參考我也要跟委員報告感謝委員的一個關心確實我們這兩年來我進來教育部這兩年來沒有寒暑假我們原來過去我一直以為我寒暑假可以去看學校希望這個教學軟硬體能夠去改變但是我們到現在 |
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我們現在立法院我們不然是法案審查選民服務也沒什麼寒暑假啦所以這個我覺得尊重你的感受我的建議就這麼簡單 以上謝謝委員提醒 謝謝 |