| IVOD_ID |
170391 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170391 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-08T15:57:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-08T16:15:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4fafa81be08c82102e2c14f24550fa308c89d092fec882f48f279a18c29508187c45cb4d80bcee6c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳清龍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:57:56 - 16:15:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部及經濟部就「食安問題爆不停，如何構建使國人安心生活就學與食品廠安全管理精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
討論事項
審查
一、委員廖偉翔等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十四條及第二十五條條文修正草案」案。
二、委員蘇清泉等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
三、委員蘇清泉等20人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第四條條文修正草案」案。
四、委員葛如鈞等22人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
五、委員翁曉玲等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
六、委員黃健豪等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第五十六條之一條文修正草案」案。
七、委員羅智強等29人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
八、委員黃健豪等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
九、委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
十、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。
十一、委員魯明哲等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
十二、委員王育敏等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
十三、委員林倩綺等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
十四、委員陳超明等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第五十六條之一條文修正草案」案。
十五、委員黃健豪等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條、第二十八條及第三十一條之一條文修正草案」案。
十六、委員張嘉郡等28人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
十七、委員王育敏等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
【專題報告及討論事項綜合詢答，討論事項僅詢答】
【討論事項第十七案，如經復議則不予審查】） |
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好 謝謝主席 還是請我們部長 署長我想今天的重點 今天的重點絕對在獨有的事件 這個很明顯 |
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那在這個過程當中我們從過去我們五五部食藥署這邊來判斷經過專家會議來怎麼來判斷認為說應該是在源頭啦應該在源頭可能就是這一批的進口巴西黃豆的這樣的一個問題是不是這樣我掌握到的訊息是這樣吧 |
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這個是有些專家的猜測啦不過我們還是要我們還在做不詳的檢驗還在檢驗還在釐清嘛所以一般專家的一個檢測好那剛剛部長也講還在一般專家的一個採測然後我們部裡也還在了解當中嘛那是從這幾天的事件的一個過程我們啊 明顯的發覺 |
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責任好像全部要推給各地方政府就整個這樣的一個用途中央跟地方一起協力啦對啊 我也認為本來就是中央跟地方一起要協力啊但是整個媒體說 |
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釋放出來的讓民眾所看到的好像從要甩鍋給地方所以我就這邊在講嘛黃州的進口相關的邊境的管理應該都是我們中央應該就如部長所談的嘛中央地方是一體的尤其對食安嘛每一個階段都有不同的責任譬如說在邊境檢驗的部分那當然是由這個食藥署我們中央在負責 |
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但是在廠的管理要求這邊 這個就是地方上可能在地方嘛 地方的一個工廠管理等等所以其實是大家一起來維護我們的食安但是我在這邊我一定要有這個機會我想食安沒有分顏色 大家要一起來努力 |
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現在事情發生了那過去前幾天我想會不會包括署長這邊我們台灣民眾黨也以嚴厲的欠責啦齁那這個是我們必要的態度因為食安問題牽涉到我們全體國人同胞的一個健康安全那從過去幾天的發展我們看到你每天 |
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每個政策 每個方向 每天在一直做改變 一直做改變讓我們也無所適從 你整個表現 整個方向 走板這是事情吧 這是事實 部長你承認嗎一個決策可以搞成每天 不一樣啊跟委員說明 這個也是按照事實的發現 我們在滾動的調整所以一開始呢 當然是有依據啦 |
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一開始也都是依據之前所定下的原則我們在106年就已經經過專家已經定下了一個下架的原則所以這個時間就是先遵照這個原則因為這個原則 |
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過去沒有發生過這樣的事件所以沒有碰到所以才重新再邀請專家今天碰到就這個事件跟過去的原則來做修正你覺得這個原則就怪怪的嘛為什麼會定這樣的一個原則但是作為一個部長我想這個就是你在做決策的一個魄力啦 |
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今天你既然覺得怪怪的106年專家的一個會議這樣的決定時間碰到了如果那一天你有跟院長報告嘛對不對如果我在這邊我想追問一句啊院長是要你遭106年的那個審議專家審議的下架原則做還是要你決策怎麼做 |
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當然我們是食藥署都是依法行政所以對於這個下架的原則都是對外公告的所以這個原則沒有改變的時候還是依法行政那個原則跟食安法沒有互相違背嘛有沒有違背食安法那個當時候也是食安法修完之後所訂下來的 |
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那我在這邊 我想不跟部長在爭106年的最原則反正事情也發生了 你也做確切了產生這樣的一個混亂嘛 產生了民怨嘛你才會再調整嘛所以這個後果你也在承擔了啦這個後果你也在承擔了那我想我在這邊還是要強調剛剛部長也講食安問題是地方中央是一體的那我們地方已經在做 |
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那衛武部還沒有在做我想這個過程我們每一位國人都可以在這幾天的一個媒體啊這個網路都看得清清楚楚我們地方在做什麼中央在做什麼那在這個過程當中我真的要幫我們地方政府講講話 |
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真的我也要這邊謝謝我們地方政府衛生局啦還是衛生處這些同仁這一個禮拜以來為了下架為了檢查他們的辛苦真的衛生部的同仁我也一樣要表達真的辛苦了一個獨有事件讓衛生部讓地方政府跟衛生啊這個單位啊人仰馬翻啊 |
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但是為什麼會這樣人也麻煩 我還是要跟部長再次的談你的決策 你的決定 真的就造成這樣的一個混亂尤其啊 我們署長來 下一頁署長 我在這邊一定要好好請教你 |
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台中市政府啊 要去中原油脂查查這件事情你知道嗎 署長報告委員 我們6月30號通報我們7月1號其實協同我們的台中的應該是衛生局 然後食安處我們7月中年的場區讓他們總共去兩次嘛 對不對就我知道第二次 |
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第二次你們衛武部就沒有派員啊我從媒體在這裡看得清清楚楚衛武部十二署長江志剛表示 |
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7月1日,列陵中聯由此停工後,初步看到改善報告其中護工計畫並不合格,很多節點有待改善並執行計畫是不合格根本連去看都不用看,實在不知道台中衛生局去看什麼 |
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這段話是不是你講的這段話你講的我問你這句話這段話是不是你講的是不是你講的 我在問署長應該是這樣子如果署長不進來 我就問署長你在看這篇的講話 |
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這個是署長 你看這有斷章取義啦斷章取義 人家這個什麼斷章取義什麼斷章取義為什麼 |
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報告人7月4號7月4號下午開的專家會議的時候我們有看到報告我已經提建議給廠的要他們直接修正了因為我看到他的報告是不行的這不行的我已經跟廠說不行了那台中市政府衛生局去看不可以去看嗎 |
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他要去看什麼我問你啊你問他說他要去看什麼他要跟你報告他要看什麼嗎他幫你看剛剛部長有講說中央地方是一體的今天這個場他熱定停工再來他我想他也要申請復工啦不然整個整個產業鏈有問題嘛對不對來我問你復工誰要負責任 |
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難免人物供洗胎不然還是地方政府當然這個是地方政府的權責但是因為他的這個改善的計畫我們的專家審完之後是不合格的所以不能馬上就去檢視他會需要再改因為他還沒有看到我們給他的建議修正你就去看沒有 |
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要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善啦,沒有改善要改善 |
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他所提的改善計畫等等經過你們的專家會議審查認為還不OK嗎還不OK嗎這個部分你們就提供給台中市政府嘛幹嘛你的署長這麼厲害啊他們要去看什麼有什麼好看 |
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給人全部管刑那也是他的權責啊有些誤會啦我們是誤會你就公開澄清啊對三天內7月1號他才提我們才知道誤會你就公開澄清啊你都不澄清我今天問你說誤會那你之前為什麼不澄清這麼多天了你哪怕澄清那你現在跟我講誤會六個月到五個月 |
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對不對署長這件事情你的責任最大所以我們台灣民眾黨要求就是你要下台 |
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你竟然還在講無謂牽涉到全體國人的一個食品健康安全才就是政府本來就有他的權責你還指責比方到他的場區去查查還指責要去看什麼有什麼好看對嗎好 下一頁 |
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最重要的我們剛剛講源頭管理那現在事件發生了那產品也下架了啦我們衛福部 偉大的衛福部一天一改變改變到現在通通要下架了啦那你百分之二十的比例也不用了反正通通下架了這個你違反賴清德總統的命令喔賴清德總統親口講的清清楚楚 |
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百分之二十以下的那個自主喔所以我還沒有聽到賴總統親自說百分之二十以下的也通通要下架喔所以蔣維武不做的決策是凌駕我們賴清德總統這一個指示我先跟你講那好全部下架了 |
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那我想你們後續 下架之後這些不管第二層的 第三層的這些產品 何去何從 怎麼處理下架啊 衝衝弄回收啊 再來咧 |
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我們對於我們所公佈的這個40%以下的預防性下降但是檢驗如果合格的話還是可以我跟你講這些產品齁我還是跟部長講有些是有效體現的可能三天五天這一百一口氣有些可能有效體現可能一年兩年啊 |
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這些下架的你們是怎麼去追蹤大家都回收啊下架回收退貨到原廠商啊一層一層嘛你東西從第一層到第二層到第三層現在下架回收從第三層回到第二層回到哪一層我也不知道這東西銷毀 |
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還是去哪裡啊你們有沒有最終機制有沒有要跟地方政府建立最終機制如果是郵品的部分郵品的部分當然都回收啦下架回收這個郵品 產品的部分因為它有涉及到那麼 |
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專家會議討論起來原則上是這個光銷回來回收但是後來因為在執行上有一些地方衛生局上他的判斷上的困難所以才後來就是通通都預防性選擇預防下架的他們就是這些下架的產品最終去處要去哪裡啊 |
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不管了看他如果他提出檢驗合格的證明的話還是可以上架所以那一批有問題的通通通通可能吃下肚子了然後你現在再重新檢驗沒問題的繼續讓他下架我告訴你 |
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再來容力企業,我來自地方太了解了再來容力企業,容力企業要做什麼你知道嗎?民間的大普渡啊,普渡你知道嗎?那一間廟室還在那邊,還沒燈就整個拔走整個搶走啊普渡最常用的是什麼?一定要必備的這東西是什麼你知道嗎?普渡你知不知道?普渡,普渡會放什麼你知道嗎?泡米 |
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它的油一定會有一箱泡麵一定會有一罐沙拉油還是調和油這並不準的啊今天如果漏掉了,我們的歐國味都流出來了那這些下架的產品會不會變成補助最好的 |
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供應的商品,因為這些下架了啦,東西過程很瘦的如果你沒有消費,你讓業者自己去處理,通常會流到還是會用這樣的一個管道回到我們的這個一般的一個市面上啊 |
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所以現在說下下下下整天沒問題又讓他上架整天有問題又讓他處理啊啊我跟你說有破人這樣啊 |
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當然的風修都會出現就是泡麵啊沙拉油啊調味油啊我們現在講的是這個油品的部分一定都回收下架封存了啦所以這個不會再流入到市場上我今天跟你說商品的部分像有些沙拉這個沙拉醬那個有預期的有時效的就沙拉醬那個就要先預防性下降我今天跟你說泡麵有效期間我估計你知道嗎 |
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沙拉油 沙拉油的有效性成果 你知道嗎泡麵比較固啦泡麵比較固啦 油比較固 我問你泡麵比較固啦 油比較固 |
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所以絕對還在JP之內啊那JP之內我問你要不要銷毀是不是怎麼最終最終的處置你都說不 整個地方政府要合作 對不對 |
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你還想嗎?從你消費啊,還是說怎麼處理啊?我已經給你提倡啊,因為我對一般地方我了解啊,你這裡沒有處理這裡的油跟泡麵弄髒燒衣,煎麵、泡豆啦,那個很多的一個管道,了解嗎?我在這裡想提出這個意見啊,齁,供你們外部跟地方政府來做參考,謝謝,齁,謝謝。 |
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謝謝陳清龍委員的資訊 |