| IVOD_ID |
170368 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170368 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第26次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
26 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第26次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-08T11:59:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-08T12:10:04+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4fafa81be08c82103b6b7574cc58ed7f701c2adc7b5d6a2b77dd9ed03a6d74a7c86df9d5e1265cba5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:59:40 - 12:10:04 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第26次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告「少子化衝擊下國軍人力資源政策與未來因應規劃」，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請國安部的顧部長請顧部長 |
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市委部長你好 我就幾個簡單的問題啦我看省基部對於無人機產業的這個特別是軍用無人機啊他有一些的comment啦比如說其中 我把類似幾個比較重要他就講你們啦 就打槍你們啦說你們有這個無人機產業園區開發的進度嚴重落後 |
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他寫的時間,我給他算一算,時間最少入侯一年以上這事你怎麼回應一下?省基部的報告無人機產業區無人機產業園區講的是民雄嗎?對,對,講的是民雄那這個中科院來的不是講民雄講民雄,講民雄如果是民雄的話,他一切進度都正常他有一部分在民雄,有一部分在太保不是嗎? |
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太保不是我們國防部在管的不是國防部這裡面你們去看一下另外一個非市場場域沒有確定這不是你們所以你們一切進度都可以 |
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不然我們那個場域本來就是我們的地 那個場域都已經決定好了 都沒有問題所以他講的是經濟部 他講的是經濟部 是啊對 因為分形場域的這個部分我的了解是 我們的部分是這個一件事那有關那個 有關設計各部會的這個部分 應該是行政院在所以你講的 你說他講的是經濟部 是啊 |
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是這個意思嗎因為可能因為飛行的這個測試的場域然後還有這個海面的測試場域這些跨部會的這個協調的工作這個部分是由行政院在主導好 那麼你說園區都Ready齁你能不能講一下這個什麼是Ready是讓廠商能夠進駐還是怎麼樣 你講一下 |
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所以原區的Lady是一切按照計畫進度按照原本的計畫進度是118年才開始營運所以今年我們做的是發包施工我們已經按正常進度在五月發包施工那等整個預算通過以後我們就會跟廠商簽約執行預算是多少的預算 |
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今年只有 全部的預算是68億 今年的預算只有8億囉好 另外齁 另外我請教部長 因為今天你談到人才的問題啊那我就特別PIN POINT 特別鎖定在 或者FOCUS在 這個無人機相關的人才 |
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無人機的相關人才大概你自己有沒有算過國防部哪一位長官可以回答都可以大概缺多少人需要多少人無人機方面相關人才 |
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包含無人機的部分我們區分成兩大部分一個是大型無人機的部分,我們空軍MQ-9V無人機它已經進行接裝之前的完整編組那另外一個是海軍的瑞淵一型,就是海上徵收大隊的這個部分 |
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然後小型無人機的部分陸軍跟海軍陸戰隊還有憲兵一共編了20個新的單位那這20個新的無人機的單位我們也優先滿足它的編線比跟它的人力需求那我給你念一段給你聽這是我從一些資料找到的2024年公開的資訊 |
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我們國軍規劃買三千多架的軍用商規無人機三軍非操守需要兩百一十人二零二五年審計部的報告說他講一百一十四一百一十五年度總共你們欠了一千多人有沒有這個意思 |
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包委員那個是舊的因為省紀部他查的是在前一個年度他的人力的狀況那商規軍用無人機他當初接裝的時候陸軍的無人機訓練指揮部還沒有成立也就我們訓練的那個單位還沒有成立然後陸戰隊的兩個一個火力營一個無人機營也還沒成軍陸軍現在都成軍了嗎對那現在我們從去年到今年已經陸續成軍所以如果省紀部明年再來集合我們今年基本上我們的人力是到齊的 |
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所以人沒有缺一千人的問題沒有完全沒有是不是現在那個陸軍剛剛提到二十個單位那現在新編的都是屬於新編無人機部隊平線邊線比是百分之九十二請問你喔那對於無人機的軍用無人機的相關人才待遇有沒有特別給他增加一下無人機我們就是爭取戰鬥部隊的佳績那是加多少 |
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戰鬥部隊一萬二就特種加級就對了我們有戰鬥部隊加級有分成一類二類嘛那現在是有一萬二跟七千那如果他你再怎麼加就加一萬多你還不如用我們的案子我們三讀通過了加三萬的不是更好嗎人來的更多啊這個人越來越需要啊是不是這樣 |
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我想我們還是依照任務的程度另外一個或是中間可以回答或是看誰可以回答我們有沒有能力做機械狗有沒有機械狗機械狗我們現在跟美國的公司合作正在推展中預計在後年國軍會開始量產採購 |
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後年開始 不不不 你說量產跟採購是我們自己做還是要跟美國買啊我們自己做可以 現在沒有現在有了有下去買的嘛 是吧現在是共同在台灣做經過技術授權共同在台灣生產那什麼時候可以第一個出來 |
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什麼時候出來的?已經有公開記者會展示過了所以說已經有了?是,我會提供給委員相關的訊息好,量產什麼時候?量產要先看作戰單位它給我們的需求同樣一隻機器狗它可以做很多不同的功能所以要看作戰單位的需求定義清楚以後我們才會開始按照它不同的需求來量產不同的類型所以未來就是他們來打仗,是不是這個意思? |
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429.439 |
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不一定是打仗 其實平常有很多任務就可以由機器國來執行包含營區的巡檢和安全維護有沒有算過大概我們的需要量多少了 機器官需要幾台還是什麼的這可能要由作戰單位他們再來統計相關的需求部長你要回答還是來剛剛回答一樣 我們是必須要統計這個相關的任務 |
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這個機械狗這一部分有沒有納入你們原來的特別預算無人機都有沒有納進來有沒有沒有那無人艇呢 有沒有納進來無人艇有啊無人艇這一次愛情委員支持我們這兩千一百億裡面就一千多艘的自殺攻擊無人艇自殺式的攻擊無人艇是是是 一千多艘 |
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481.073 |
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那部分以後可以自己做不是嗎?我們就是要自己做啊我們現在2100億的 見證型的無人機 攻擊型的無人機跟自殺無人艇 攻擊型的自殺無人艇都是希望在國內能夠自主 |
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509.153 |
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我要提一個很重要的觀念啦你們現在列的就是兩千一百億啊國民黨團是兩千四百億啊不管多少但是你們目標是要買二十一萬架的無人機嘛對不對二十一萬架嘛就無人機的部分對無人機是二十一萬架嘛那有一個專家告訴我你們現在買的二十一萬架HIGH END只有兩千架左右這句話對不對 |
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534.705 |
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高階的無人機我想我們無人機大概有分幾型你講的攻擊無人機有沉浸式的有投彈式的還有一個小型跟中型的自殺無人艇它各有任務的不同那我想他們都會隨著這個無人載具的一個迭代更新的發展會逐步增強它的各項的能力 |
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549.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
我跟你講到這個事我得到的資料是海岸的只有2000架左右所以我要強調的是如何無人機的技術升級非常重要比如說我們可以有一個辦法 |
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我本人就提了這個辦法無人機產業技術升級發展條例給它足夠的誘因 給它其他的誘因我們要鼓勵國外的高端的廠商能夠在台灣投資跟我們共同研發把技術留下來等等的我覺得這個事實很值得我們去 |
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572.112 |
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591.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
值得我們去努力的啦同意吧指導我想是這樣的我剛剛已經回答中委員我們當然我們國安部的這個立場還是說我們在採購的部分有國安部主責的部分還是單純限定在我們無人機的這個組合我們作戰區所無人機採購產業發展產業的補助那是要另外一個條例由經濟部來組合所以你不能排除經濟部主導啦 |
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599.275 |
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599.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
好 謝謝 |