| IVOD_ID |
170349 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170349 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-08T10:41:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-08T11:00:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:19:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4fafa81be08c821001591309dd6181f18c89d092fec882f4d75944b02079af30c358bed1a557d1e65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
廖偉翔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:41:10 - 11:00:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、教育部及經濟部就「食安問題爆不停，如何構建使國人安心生活就學與食品廠安全管理精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
討論事項
審查
一、委員廖偉翔等18人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十四條及第二十五條條文修正草案」案。
二、委員蘇清泉等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
三、委員蘇清泉等20人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第四條條文修正草案」案。
四、委員葛如鈞等22人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
五、委員翁曉玲等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
六、委員黃健豪等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第五十六條之一條文修正草案」案。
七、委員羅智強等29人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
八、委員黃健豪等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
九、委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第十五條條文修正草案」案。
十、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。
十一、委員魯明哲等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
十二、委員王育敏等17人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法部分條文修正草案」案。
十三、委員林倩綺等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
十四、委員陳超明等16人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第五十六條之一條文修正草案」案。
十五、委員黃健豪等23人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條、第二十八條及第三十一條之一條文修正草案」案。
十六、委員張嘉郡等28人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。
十七、委員王育敏等19人擬具「食品安全衛生管理法第二十八條條文修正草案」案。
【專題報告及討論事項綜合詢答，討論事項僅詢答】
【討論事項第十七案，如經復議則不予審查】） |
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謝謝主席謝謝主席有請這個石崇良部長還有江署長還有食安辦主任好請好 各位好這一起食安風暴非常的嚴重 |
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而且一看就知道我們食安五環完全破功尤其是只有這個寡占少數的煉油廠這麼重大的環節政府居然沒有一個好的把關機制而且在他換原料的時候居然沒有相關的要求說換原料就應該要送驗等到他驗出來安全了才可以出到市場所以這件事情完全看得出來政府行政院要負最大的責任 |
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那部長我想要先請問剛剛大家都很關心這個油品的流向問題這一次出問題的獨油你們都清點完了嗎回收了多少噸所有獨油的銷售流向已經加工的流向你們都完全清楚了嗎 |
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這個流向都已經掌握了 那量也大概都掌握住了因為這個是比較早 這個是4月所製造的油所以現在的回收現實你們的報告現在說回收43點多噸啦其實回收率只有3.3%那就像你說的喔 剛剛從4月就開始販售了那你們6月底之前 發生也超過一個多禮拜 |
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所以是不是大部分都有可能被民眾吃下肚了你們預估可以追回多少請問一個具體的數字剛剛也有委員問類似的問題但是沒有具體的數字 |
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這個追回的大概差不多就是這個噸數了啦所以剩下的都追不回來了因為都已經哇 那也很可怕耶這是一千多噸所以你也承認喔你現在這些就已經是確定的數字差不多就是這樣哇 那各位媒體朋友啊現在在市面上流通不知道掌握去哪裡的 |
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還有一千兩百多噸那個都已經下架了那你說還有多少它已經不是以油的原型的狀況存在所以加工品你是沒有辦法追蹤的所以加工品你沒辦法追蹤的加工品就是現在我們所發布的這些產品就是讓它預防性下降來部長我跟你說福茂說他賣了12噸給一個長興商行 |
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但是長興商行卻表示他根本沒有買到也沒有收到那又請問這十幾噸的致癌沙拉油流向哪裡被誰吃下去有辦法追查出來嗎有辦法還是沒辦法請問是有辦法還是沒辦法 |
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這部分委員我們再確認跟委員討論所以我剛剛主要的問題是這是一個個案其中一個案例可是它是系統性的問題你們是追不回來的你們剛剛還說要回去確認代表你們根本就沒有辦法掌握所以我想要問加工的問題剛剛也有委員問飯糰的問題 |
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所以你們7月6號的時候是說20%以上下架後來7月7號又說全部要下架請問我想問你們這個下架的標準是依照製造日期你們宣布7月7號以後20%以下的才要下架還是以前的也都要下架 |
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因為我們在發布的時候特別會去標註有些都已經他所使用的油製造的這個產品已經超過有效日期了所以他就沒有下架的問題舉例來講他製造日期如果我問你啊如果製造日期是7月6號的好7月6號的那 |
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他需要在7月7號的時候下架嗎?不用不用所以現在就是說7月7號宣布以前的20%以下的還是一樣在市面上流通只有7月7號以後的製造以後的20%以下的才要不是不是嗎?不是不是嗎?我們在公布的網頁上面有寫得很清楚那我問你啊為什麼這個是這個飯糰剛剛這個域名委員要拿我看了一下他製造日起是7月6號 |
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他還在加上賣所以你覺得這是OK的你剛剛又說不是我要說的不是是說我們所列出的這些有些飯糰後面會講已預有效日期所以這個在市面上不會流通啦所以沒有下架的問題這個沒有預有效日期啊 |
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他現在7月6號是照他有效日期到7月9號我的意思是說這一批用到這個問題油的已經都沒有再架上了啦所以你說現在就架上了這個是沒有這個還沒有預有效日期的都是安全的沒有預有你可不可以再講清楚一下你們的標準到底是什麼就是說他用的這個油所做出的產品現在已經在市面上不會存在了因為他已經 |
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已經下架了 已經都是賣完或者是已經那為什麼剛剛這個飯糰剛剛玉敏委員拿的這個飯糰它是7月6號製造還在架上還買得到 早上才買來的吧對不對報告委員讓我 能問我說明一下原來的油製造的即時的產品已經都已經過期了或者真的是我們的民眾是有 |
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沒有我就問一個簡單的問題所以現在的油使用在製造的油在這些的即食品上面都不是那個批次的油所以你確定現在在架上的沒有一個是在批次上的油目前我們查到的那我想要請問民眾要如何知道它是不是因為我跟你說就是我們為什麼在 |
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發布這一些產品的時候啊我們很小心因為對民眾來講他要怎麼知道你所謂的批號批次然後呢全台灣這麼多的便利商店這麼多的商家你怎麼確保每一個都確定在你們的規範範圍內下架了呢你上面民眾要怎麼去查這個批號所以過去有一句有這個你們曾經說過民進黨的政策裡面說過 |
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從源頭做起的生產履歷資訊公開透明可以隨時查閱這是來自於民進黨官網的食安五環證件可是我剛剛光問這個問題就搞得民眾不煞煞我相信在場的委員媒體朋友也搞不清楚到底這到底要怎麼確定 |
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好所以我再來問剛剛都說了問題由四處流竄也很難追得回來那在7月初如果先公布第二層名單就可以讓全台的小吃攤餐廳團餐廚房跟消費者立刻停用停食那在這關鍵的三天內有許多不知情的終端商家仍然繼續使用這批油在做烹作 |
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那台北市後來也查出高達42所學校幼兒園曾經使用相關的油品所以如果提早三天公佈這些在發育期的學童跟幼兒都可能可以停止暴露在第一級的致癌物中可是第一時間你們卻選擇自我限制要業者自主改善就好等到輿論炸鍋你們才轉彎喔 |
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那還同民眾多吃了三天的致癌油我想要請問這個是到底是誰授權的沒有 跟委員說明我們第一時間點就已經公布了泰山 福茂跟福壽這些油就是現在市面上在炸的那些油那個時候就已經停用了所以第一刻時間就已經停用了我們現在第二波發布的是它的加工品 |
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不是油油都已經停用了但是他們這些消費者民眾也都還是暴露在這些一級制裁物的加工食品裡啊所以我想要請問啊今天有很多那剛剛說的這些辦團都已經是過期的來部長我們今天有很多人在討論你當初自己也坦承說第二層油品免下架這確實有點怪怪的所以我就是要追問想要請問一下部長卓院長在週一發表說他上星期就召開會議 |
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然後還有知道進度所以我真的很想要替你報區一下我想問這個到底是卓榮泰院長拍板的嗎你們竟然跟他報告了也告訴他們你的處理狀況身為行政院最高的統一指揮官 |
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他沒有意見所以我認為這就是他拍板的因為這個院長才有指示因為雖然我們按照的是106年的這個食品風險評估執意會那麼所訂出的這個下架原則那這個原則因為我們按照那個是106年原則所以院長才會指示說 |
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那不然就再召開這個專家會議來重新就這個個案來檢視這個下架的原則是不是要調整所以才會有7月4號的會議所以他有沒有同意說你們後來宣布說第二層有品不用下架 |
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那第二次的是7月4號7月4號的專家會議那我們執行就按照這個專家會議的結論好你一定是護航的啦你一定是不想要不想要說是院長沒有沒有我想要跟你說我們不只要解決當下的問題也要追究責任那最重要還要預防未來不可以再次發生所以部長 |
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危害分析重要管制點是現代食品安全監控的基石但是過去也沒有把這個納入關鍵的這個控制點本篇筆的部分那未來你們對於黃豆進口要怎麼加強管制要逐批查驗嗎 |
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我們在這個邊境當然對於進口的黃豆是有在抽驗不過我們現在因為整個黃豆的保存會受到條件的影響會有改變所以呢還是要從這個製造端這裡要來強化所以我們這一次也找了專家那也正是根據他的這個製程在檢討在哪一些節點上要加強管控部長那你們現在邊境管制的人力有多少人足夠嗎 |
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當然這個人力是蠻緊的啦所以我們也需要增加所以每次遇到食安問題都需要逐批查驗所以接下來還有同樣存在高溫然後煙燻乾燥風險的食品可能還有可可豆白米可能有煙燻肉可能有水產柴魚片植物油那你們現在是只要查黃豆嗎還是跟這個致癌物有關的都要相關盤查那如果你只查黃豆那不就一樣是頭痛醫頭腳痛醫腳嗎 |
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好 部長 這次食安事件我想要 因為已經擴及了不同的範圍學校國軍等等 所以我想要請教食安辦請食安辦主任 |
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在民國103年的時候當時的收水油風暴那時任的台南市長賴清德總統公開主張食安就是國安要求召集中央地方政府立法部門行政部門然後並且批評當時的執政黨說以總統之尊把責任推給地方那如今賴清德總統已經是總統了這批 |
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毒油已經擴及的範圍非常的大也流入全台校園午餐那情勢跟影響範圍都非常嚴重當年他要中央站出來要提升到國安層級處理我想要請問主任或者是部長你們如果可以回答都可以總統這一次什麼時候要召開國安會議 |
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還是食安只有在野的時候才叫做國安現在執政了就沒大事了就不是這樣事實上那他什麼時候要召開你們什麼時候要召開所謂的食安及國安的國安程序處理的會議我們在 |
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行政院就會有跨部會的會不會要到那所以之前那所以你是打臉以前賴清德賴清德當委員的時候當市長的時候他說要召開這個國安及食安那所以就要召開這個國安級的會議你覺得不需要應該是委員這邊是誤解就我們確實在 |
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重視食安的事情上面是但是很重視嗎你們完全失能啊你完全失能啊你是跨部會行政院層級的現在這些有進去了國軍進去了校園那你們在做什麼為什麼我也覺得很好奇啊現在那你到底在幹嘛你食安辦每一次好像出來都沒有你的事然後都推得一乾二淨 |
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嗯報告裡面是有寫相關部會的統合我們都有在努力啦有在努力但是到底做了什麼都流進校園了你們的教育部長還跑去輔選那你們到底做了什麼呢所以我們要很快速的你有阻斷到嗎離清範圍如果已經吃了我們當然會有困難嘛那我們會立刻防止會有新的好徐主任我再問你喔當時的民進黨主席啊前總統蔡英文也說過 |
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收水油並非單一事件而是一連串問題的其中一環政務官下台是必然我想要請問本案中聯油的問題到現在為止油品食安五環中的源頭控管源頭出差錯那之前又有蓋牌的問題整個食安五環系統性的崩壞我想要請問一下食安辦你們是什麼時候掌握這件事情 |
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我們這一次收通報是在7月1號7月1號那你們說廠商有延遲責任你們延後知情延後下架延後公佈有沒有延遲責任你們怎麼全部都把責任都給廠商我想要請問食安辦你是行政院的層級那你認為民進黨政府這一次是哪一個單位應該負起政治責任要怎麼負責 |
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我們現在一定趕快把事情處理好那您剛有講到說延遲延誤的部分我們已經啟動跟減掉的相關機制我要再問食安辦了民進黨喊了食安五環 喊了十多年了蔡英文當時也說要從源頭全面監控追蹤有毒物質 |
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賴清德擔任行政院長的時候也說要建立食品業者身份管理體系做到供應鏈管理 稽查 滾動檢討結果到了2026年中聯油的毒油仍然從源頭混入供應鏈致有毒物超標 油品流入下油這算不算是源頭管理破功確實源頭管理我們做得還不夠好所以是源頭管理破功囉報告 |
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有做起來的部分都還有在做所以這邊肯定是在呃源頭所以你剛說確實做的不夠好嗎你剛有說嘛對不對是好那卓榮泰院長去年才說食安五環要有效的降低台灣系統性的食品安全問題還要加強上下游的防火牆是 |
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887.247 |
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902.547 |
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當時的邱太元部長也說要推動食安五環2.0對不對從農場到餐桌每一環都要符合安全規範結果現在下游廠商跟民眾一再的受害追溯的資訊也不透明還要靠客戶 |
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930.511 |
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停貨媒體揭露才爆出來那這算不算是防火牆失靈算不算是五環的2.0剛上路就破工我們做的確實還不夠好那我想要跟文做一個說明就是我們做食安的管理有一點像說像交通我們盡量每一天所以你就照我的問題回答你剛剛說做的不夠好我剛剛說破工嘛你說做的不夠好 |
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952.885 |
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那你們10年前說要10倍查驗10年後還是出現了查驗的空白10年前說全民監督10年後是業者靠業者自己良心來自救那請問食安辦明確回答一下食安五環到底是政府的制度承諾還是每次出事就拿來糊弄人民的口號這不是跳票什麼叫做跳票 |
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我們在食安五環的框架下 在各個領域都繼續的去強化 去完善我們不能再繼續已經讓一千多噸的這種有毒有流竄在市面上所以食安辦賴清德總統不是今天才碰到食安問題他2018年當時行政院長主持食安匯報的時候 |
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就說政府會持續落實食安五環要加強查驗及主動查查發現問題還說食安首重是源頭管理前端要做好管控劣質或不法原料就不會流入食品供應鏈結果今天2026了 |
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998.052 |
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1009.022 |
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今天中聯獨有問題不就是劣質高風險的原料從源頭混入供應鏈嗎這算不算是當時的行政院長賴清德當年承諾的源頭管理破功我們還是你沒辦法回答因為你不敢回答 |
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賴清德當上總統之後他從520就職也提出所謂的五環的2.0食安政策朱鎔泰院長也說要導入AI完善食品安全的防護網邱太元部長說食品安全是賴清德總統健康政策的重點 |
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1061.086 |
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從農場到餐桌每一環都符合安全規範結果現在中聯事件爆發後賴清德只剩下說該停產就停產該下架就下架資訊公開透明依法就責所以我要問10年前說源頭管控10年後還在事後下架當院長的時候說全程監控當總統的時候說五環2.0結果還是獨游流入下游這算不算跳票 |
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五環2.0算不算破功 |
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1089.786 |
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呃食安五環就是我們持續在各個方向繼續把食安去做好這一次發生這個事件我們看到有這個我們趕快處理問題限制他的這一些產品擴散來我們食安辦主任不要希望再有下一次發生那您一直問說所以你的食安承諾其實到底是真正能夠解決問題的制度呢還是每次出現問題的時候拿來滅火的一個口號 |
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所以我要總結一下民進黨當年在野的時候遇到食安問題就說食安是國安要求中央地方立法行政一起面對蔡英文也說政務官本來就要負起行政及政治責任下台是必然可是今天輪到民進黨完全執政的時候從蘇丹紅進口蛋到現在中聯油脂1300多噸的致癌大豆油人民看到的是什麼 |
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看到的是源頭沒有管住茶宴沒有攔下名單不公開下架慢半拍行政院遭遇到這麼多起食安事件前端預防大破功原本至少人民還可以期待善後插屁股民進黨已經經驗老到匆匆容容游刃有餘但是最後是朝令夕改甚至三改有品追不回商品沒辦法下架然後被國人痛批後才政策轉彎毒油亂竄院長神隱 |
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然後有教育部長到處輔選啊政府失能罔顧食安甩鍋地方民進黨在野的時候是馬英九、江一華負責現在中央執政的變成蔣萬安、盧秀燕負責難道民進黨的功能就只剩下負責叫別人負責嗎為人民把關監督政府這整件事情我們認為真正應該就責的是總統必須道歉院長必須下台負責謝謝謝謝廖委員的諮詢 |